Before I get into some of the really weird plays that we all saw during today's 6-1 Cubs win over the Pirates, let me say how disgusted not only I, but our entire section, was over the fact that the Wave, something that belongs in a college football stadium (if anywhere), managed to get all the way around Wrigley Field three times -- for the first time that any of us could remember.
Come on, people. This is a baseball game. If you're not interested in watching it -- stay home, go to a bar, go to the beach, go to a college football game. But don't do the Wave at Wrigley Field. It started, in fact, a couple sections over from us, we think from a guy who stood up an inning or so before, apparently drunk, just to point out that there was a "White Sox fan" in their midst. Who cares?
OK, I'm done. And I hope that sort of nonsense is done, too.
Mike & I have each attended over 2000 major league baseball games. Today, there were three plays that neither of us had ever seen before:
It had rained for a while before the first pitch, too, but about half an hour before game time it stopped, and there was no delay in the actual starting time, and the sun actually made brief appearances, shining on yet another fine pitching performance by Rich Hill, who has dominated Triple-A this year.
I say this because the Pirates aren't that much better than your average Triple-A team; Hill had them off-balance most of the day and just as he did the other night, threw strikes (only one walk), and mixed up his pitches well (of the nine strikeouts, four were called), and most importantly, he allowed runners to get in scoring position in the 2nd, 3rd, and 5th innings, and got out of each inning swiftly -- something that he, and in fact other Cub pitchers, have not been able to do all year.
If Hill can continue to do this for the rest of the season, I will happily say that I've been wrong about him. One of the reasons I was so down on him was because he seemed either unwilling or unable to make the adjustments to his game that he had to do to succeed at the major league level. In his last two starts, I have seen evidence of these adjustments. If Hill could develop a good third pitch -- a good straight change, or a splitter, or something other than a fastball or curve -- he could mix them up to devastating effect. His next start should be Friday in Colorado -- which is no longer the hitters' paradise it once was, partly because baseballs are stored in humidors there to deaden them a bit against the effects of the altitude. Example of what this has done: in the first 850 games at Coors Field, there were ZERO 1-0 games. There have been three of them in the last year.
The other "young player" thing that I liked today was Cedeno's 3-run homer; not just because it was a 3-run HR, but because on the pitch immediately preceding the HR, he swung and missed and looked really bad. That was a quality major league at-bat. If he can have more of these, there could be hope for him yet.
Anyway, the 8-3 homestand and the better play we've seen since the All-Star break (now 13-10) got Dave and Phil ruminating about the wild card, which made me shake my head and tell Phil "SHHHH!" They were even talking about this on WGN's postgame show. Look, I'm the eternal optimist, but even in this most mediocre of NL seasons (there are likely to be not one, but TWO .500 ballclubs -- the West champion and the wild card -- in the NL postseason), it just doesn't seem possible, ten games out and ELEVEN teams in front of the Cubs.
The only example I can think of in recent history of a team coming back from anywhere CLOSE to this far under .500 was the 1973 Mets, who on August 27, 1973 were 59-70, 11 games under (the Cubs are 17 under), in last place (sixth) in the old NL East, 6.5 games out of first place with 33 games left. The Mets went 23-9 from there; the last game of the year was cancelled because it was the 2nd game of a makeup DH at Wrigley Field and would have had no effect on the race -- the Mets had clinched by winning the first game and finished first in a division where they had the only winning record (82-79, until last year's Padres the worst division-winning record ever).
So, it's not going to happen. But you can't deny that it's way more fun to watch the Cubs win than to watch what we saw in May and June.
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Random Baseball Question...
Assuming we were an AL team, could we pinch-hit a different position?Let's assume Z was pitching and we had a, oh I dunno, light-hitting middle infielder, could we DH the position player and leave Z in to bat?
thekansasian - August 6, 2006
No
The DH can only bat in place of the pitcher.pwhalen - August 6, 2006
thanks
thekansasian - August 6, 2006
In case you were wondering...
... Official Baseball Rule 6.10:(a) In the event of inter-league competition between clubs of Leagues using the Designated Hitter Rule and clubs of Leagues not using the Designated Hitter Rule, the rule will be used as follows:
1. In World Series or exhibition games, the rule will be used or not used as is the practice of the home team.
2. In All-Star games, the rule will only be used if both teams and both Leagues so agree.
(b) The Rule provides as follows:
A hitter may be designated to bat for the starting pitcher and allsubsequent pitchers in any game without otherwise affecting the status of the pitcher(s) in the game. A Designated Hitter for the pitcher must be selected prior to the game and must be includedin the lineup cards presented to the Umpire in Chief.
The designated hitter named in the starting lineup must come to bat at least one time, unless the opposing club changes pitchers.
It is not mandatory that a club designate a hitter for the pitcher, but failure to do so prior to the game precludes the use of a Designated Hitter for that game.
Pinch hitters for a Designated Hitter may be used. Any substitute hitter for a Designated Hitter becomes the Designated Hitter. A replaced Designated Hitter shall not re-enter the game in any capacity.
The Designated Hitter may be used defensively, continuing to bat in the same position in the batting order, but the pitcher must then bat in the place of the substituted defensive player, unless more than one substitution is made, and the manager then must designate their spots in the batting order.
A runner may be substituted for the Designated Hitter and the runner assumes the role of Designated Hitter. A Designated Hitter may not pinch run.
A Designated Hitter is "locked" into the batting order. No multiple substitutions may be made that will alter the batting rotation of the Designated Hitter.
Once the game pitcher is switched from the mound to a defensive position this move shall terminate the Designated Hitter role for the remainder of the game.
Once a pinch hitter bats for any player in the batting order and then enters the game to pitch, this move shall terminate the Designated Hitter role for the remainder of the game.
Once the game pitcher bats for the Designated Hitter this move shall terminate the Designated Hitter role for the remainder of the game. (The game pitcher may only pinch-hit for the Designated Hitter.)
Once a Designated Hitter assumes a defensive position this move shall terminate the Designated Hitter role for the remainder of the game. A substitute for the Designated Hitter need not be announced until it is the Designated Hitter's turn to bat.
Al Yellon - August 6, 2006
So if someone really wanted to...
They could just leave the pitcher in to bat and forfeit the DH for the game.thekansasian - August 6, 2006
This has happened...
... on a few occasions, not many. More often, that part of the rule is invoked late in games when a team needs or wants its DH in the field. Once that happens, the pitcher must bat. Usually it's just for the 9th inning of a game where the DH for that game happens to be a better defensive player at a position than whoever started.Al Yellon - August 6, 2006
While we are on the topic of..
..pitchers and batting.....What is up with STL and pinch-hitting with Marquis so much. I was checking for fantasy players the other night and they used Marquis to pinch-hit again. The guy is batting like .180. Is their bench that shallow?santo for prez - August 6, 2006
He's batting .180...
but if I remember right, his pinch-hitting average is much higher.My guess on his frequent use is that it is early in the game when TL doesn't want to waste any of his bench.
thekansasian - August 6, 2006
Yeah
we don't like it much either.Random Hero - August 6, 2006
I didn't realize...
that the DH was already discretionary in the All-Star Game. I loathe the DH, but it certainly makes sense to use it there.bison - August 7, 2006
It is so stupid...
... to NOT use the DH in the All-Star Game -- pitchers never bat then anyway.Al Yellon - August 7, 2006
The Wave is rediculous
and it never needs to be seen at Wrigley ever again.PriorandAramisfan23 - August 6, 2006
Yep. Ridiculous ...
I kept shaking my head thinking, "this can't be the Friendly Confines." Been a Cubbie fan for over 40 years and have never seen anything like it.Turner Field, anyone?
Littlerock Rynofan - August 6, 2006
wave
Ridiculous, I agree. I think I saw it attempted at Wrigley a few times back in the 80's, but it never caught on - mainly because Cub fans used to have sense. Not sure they do anymore.danimal15 - August 6, 2006
Are you sure they were
Cubs fans, not tourists?JFCubFan - August 6, 2006
Fenway
I went to a Red Sox game in the late 80's against the White Sox (Fisk and Baines were playing for the White Sox at that time) and they had TWO waves going around the stadium for at least 15 minutes. In spite of this, my second favorite park is Fenway. Pray that you never experience the humiliation or embarassment for the mindless drones standing up for no reason every thirty seconds or so.CyberCyclist - August 6, 2006
Fenway
they still do it, and every time I'm there I refuse to participate and everyone thinks I'm weirdflyball - August 7, 2006
... I agree
We were over at far right corner in the bleachers and were yelling at people to stop. Our whole section did pretty good to not repeat it after some friendly encouragement to kill the wave.I thought I was in another world, it seemed so out of place to see it last that long. That's the second time this year I've seen it attempted, and couldn't believe it made it across the park.
McCarron - August 6, 2006
Were you in the right field bleacher box??
I think I was the "friendly encouragement".SeasonTXWL71 - August 8, 2006
The Wave is for Sox fans
I have never been so irate or upset at a Cubs game as I was on Sunday when the Wave was successful (and considering the shitty teams we've had, that's saying something). I was so upset that I offered to buy a beer for everyone in my section (bleacher box) if they refused to participate. Because there are only about 7 rows in that section, it wouldn't have been too expensive and at least it would have made a statement. There were so many kids excited about the Wave, it really shows me it's a matter of bad parenting. When you take your kids to Wrigley you explain the rules to them: throw back opposing players homers, you watch the game and don't look for some slide to entertain you, and YOU DON'T DO THE WAVE.I truly believe anyone caught doing the wave at Wrigley should be ejected
and banned for life (exceptions only if you happen to stand to get your
beer at the exact moment the wave comes by). As far as I'm concerned the
appearance of the wave at Wrigley Field is the final sign of Chicago's
apocalypse. It's as telling as Macy's taking over Fields, the Berghoff
going dark, and WGN broadcasting Sox games. It's just disgusting!!
SeasonTXWL71 - August 8, 2006
Last out of the game
I think that was Jack Wilson, not Jeromy Burnitz.Krande - August 6, 2006
Yes.
Jeromy struck out with his trademarked one-arm follow through. Jack Wilson was retired by the umpires, according to WGN's coverage.Also, the double play run-down with Ramirez and Jones was, according to BB, caused by Ramirez' baserunning. He gave into the run down too quickly, rather than keeping it going--allowing the run AND Jones' advance to second base. Of course, that may be Brenly spin. He questions ARam's hustle.
For those of you in WGN land, are y'all as tired of those Quizno's commercials as I am?
Littlerock Rynofan - August 6, 2006
Whoops!
You guys are right, it was Wilson.See how confusing things were?
;)
Al Yellon - August 6, 2006
FWIW...
... I have edited the original post to show that Wilson was indeed the last out of the game.Al Yellon - August 6, 2006
Don't worry ...
I won't put your comment in my siggy ...Littlerock Rynofan - August 7, 2006
i thought
corey patterson trademarked the one-armed follow-through.maybe he just perfected it.
tomas21 - August 6, 2006
Hate to be a stickler but...
...it wasn't the pitch immediately before the HR that Cedeno swung and missed on, it was 2 pitches before the HR. I only say this because I remember the pitch right before the HR was on the outside corner and I thought it was strike 3. Thankfully it wasn't, and Cedeno jacked the next pitch into the bleachers.cubbieblue - August 6, 2006
Burnitz
Didn't make the last out.Paul @ Bleed Cubbie Blue - August 6, 2006
The game today
was interesting to watch. I'm really happy for Hill and I hope he continues to improve each outing.sue369 - August 6, 2006
FWIW
I say this because the Pirates aren't that much better than your average Triple-A team
The Pirates are 4th in the NL against Lefties in OPS.
Anyway, good to see Hill have another good start. Lets hope it continues.
VS - August 6, 2006
Yes
And they have won exactly five less games than the Cubs this year.The wins were against two of the weaker teams in the league, but a look at the wildcard standing indicates there isn't a whole lot of difference between any of the teams this year.
He has had consecutive good starts again major league opponets. We'll see what he does the rest of the year, but you have to leave him in there because he has absolutely nothing left to prove at triple a.
pwhalen - August 6, 2006
Agreed...
Hill's start today is something to build on. However, the Pirates have about as much patience at the plate as the Cubs do. With many games coming up the rest of the year against Cincy, LA, Philly and Houston, who are 1,2,4 and 5 in the NL in walks, we'll see if Hill has truly improved his ability to get the ball over the plate consistently.McHuge - August 6, 2006
Thanks
for saving me the time to look up the next teams's walks. Now that he has some confidence, we'll have a good opportunity to evaluate him.tharr - August 6, 2006
THe Wave
I also could not believe that it actually happened. I cannot remember it actually happening in my 25+ years of having season tickets. I kept yelling STOP IT! when it came around me in 209, but it kept on going. Now Hell is getting frosty...the Wave actually happened at Wrigley.Kasey
kaseyi - August 6, 2006
You know what that means...
World Series in '07!thing85 - August 6, 2006
Al, give Hill a little more credit
Just because you had nominated him as one of "the worst Cubs of all time," a week ago don't try and take away the fact that this was a major league team that he dominated. Albeit not a very good major league team, but I wonder how many other lefties this year have domianted the Pirates like Hill did.gbs - August 6, 2006
I actually thought...
... I DID give Hill credit for throwing a good game. I'd like to see him do it for a month before I pronounce him major-league rotation material.Al Yellon - August 6, 2006
fwiw
"If Hill can continue to do this for the rest of the season, I will happily say that I've been wrong about him"you are already wrong about him. you said he had no chance of success and essentially no value. both are wrong. he does have a chance at success, evidence being his last two starts. he also has/had value. if nothing else he filled in for two starts where we were VERY thin at SP, and i think he had trade value, hendry just failed to capitalize on it.
his value is quite high now. if they think they might want to trade him after the season, they should send him down now to dominate AAA some more, since he's now shown he can be effective (at least for a time) in the majors. otherwise, they should let him stay up the rest of the year and try to groom him for the back end of next year's rotation.
the worst thing they could do is keep him up til he struggles, then send him down.
tomas21 - August 6, 2006
After two starts...
... this doesn't change the essential question, which is -- does Hill have what it takes to succeed at the major league level, or not.He MAY. But the jury's still out, I believe. Two starts does not make his value "high", nor does it prove he belongs.
It's progress, absolutely. Yes, he has a chance. Dave agrees with you that IF he pitches this way the rest of the year, he could be penciled into the 2007 rotation.
But it's way too early to tell. Dominating Triple-A is pointless. We already know he can do that.
Al Yellon - August 6, 2006
the fact that
you now say he MAY have what it takes is what I've said all along, and represents a change in your stance on him to something more reasonable.All I ever said is that given his dominance in AAA and the dramtic drop in walks, he has the potential for success. NO guarantees, he just had a chance. You said, with absolutism, that he was nothing more than a AAAA pitcher and had no chance of success at the mlb level. I thought you were being a little short sighted about that.
And i disagree with you that two very good starts after the numbers he put up in AAA doesn't enhance his trade value.
tomas21 - August 7, 2006
And I changed my stance...
... because I saw actual results on a major league field, something he had failed to do up to that point.Al Yellon - August 7, 2006
Al; the question is the 3rd effective pitch!
He is moving his fastball. What I am seeing is that early in the count he is able to throw the fastball for a low strike, has then got his curve ball over for a swinging strike or called...then he goes up the ladder with his fastball that is swung at or sets up his curve ball again.But a splitter or effective straight change (preferable) would make him real dangerous.
Ivy Walls - August 7, 2006
That's exactly what...
... we said at the ballpark yesterday. A third pitch would make him tremendously effective. If he can get through the rest of this season with continued good outings, he can work on that during the offseason.Al Yellon - August 7, 2006
The wave
was a truly awful sight to behold.Thankfully Rich Hill looked good again. Granted it was the Pirates, but he had them swinging away at some pretty bad pitches. Hopefully he's turned things around and will continue pitching like this.
I'm not sure what caused the double play on the Ramirez/Jones play. I'm just sick of seeing this sort of sloppy play.
kessinger - August 6, 2006
I think...
... Jones thought he could take an extra base during the rundown of Ramirez, but he's not as fast as he used to be and got caught off first base.Al Yellon - August 6, 2006
ramirez
i think, was at fault more than jones. ramirez gave up on the run-down, which left jones high and dry. if he hustles out the run down, jones is on second. imo, it was another lazy play by ramirez more than another dumb baserunning move by jones.i could be wrong though
tomas21 - August 6, 2006
Why is Jones on second?
This was a routine ground ball in the infield. The rundown only had to last long enough to get the run home, which it did. Jones should have stayed on first.Al Yellon - August 6, 2006
Whatever
the cause the baserunning blunders have happened far too frequently.Are they not paying attention to Chris Speier? I know in the Cardinals game Pagan, with head down, ran threw his stop sign. Luckily Rolen didn't notice Mabry and he scored. Still isn't that part of point of the baserunning coaches to tell them to hold up or go?
kessinger - August 6, 2006
They actually talked about it during the broadcast
and said that the runners are taught that if they are the lead runner, they need to hold up the rundown long enough so that the person behind them can advance an extra base. I don't think Jones thought that Ramirez was going to give up as quickly as he did during the play.akcubfan - August 6, 2006
That makes no sense...
...What if Ramirez could have beat the throw back to second?slink - August 7, 2006
he shouldn't try to advance
unless ramirez gets into a pickle between first and second. then, afaik, he should try to advance to the next base, and ramirez should try to hold the run down so the run can score and jones can advance.tomas21 - August 7, 2006
he shouldn't try to advance
unless ramirez gets into a pickle between first and second. then, afaik, he should try to advance to the next base, and ramirez should try to hold the run down so the run can score and jones can advance.tomas21 - August 7, 2006
The Wave Sucks
I live in Houston. I go to ALL of the Cubs/Astros games. EVERY...SINGLE...GAME....THEY....SO.....THE......WAVE! The fans make it go around at LEAST 5 times. And it seems someone brings a multi-colored beach ball too!As much as I can't stand it, I tolerate it to see the Cubs.
mchastain - August 6, 2006
The beach ball thing...
... I really don't get. What motivates someone to think, "Hey, I'm going to a baseball game, I should bring a large inflatable ball with me"?Al Yellon - August 6, 2006
Ditto
The one Cubs/Astros game I went to, they did the wave. I hated it. The only part that made sense is that they did it when the Cubs were batting and late in the game when we were trying to rally.sanantonecub - August 6, 2006
Amen
Wave's out here at Dodger stadium are the worst - and do not get me even started about how MANY beach balls there are at a game.The worst I ever saw was Cubs-Dodgers where Clement and Cora had that epic at-bat. Cora is wasting pitch after pitch, and all LA fans could do is start a nonstop wave for the entire at-bat! Sad. Even more sad when Cora homered to end it...
airweino - August 6, 2006
While admittedly annoying now...
...I do believe the wave, the beach ball, etc are all things that kids immensely enjoy while at the park. Still, no place in Wrigley.slink - August 7, 2006
2000 Baseball games
Well, since you went to the trouble of counting them, and sharing with us - what's the total expenditure?Including beers, hot dogs, and Cracker Jacks, of course!
TheEman - August 6, 2006
Oh, man...
... I don't even want to THINK about that!Al Yellon - August 6, 2006
The wave...
Despicible display of small-town mentality, those who thought they were at a football game.This I could see happening in IOWA where there's not much going on, except the State Fair once a year, but I've not seen THE WAVE in larger urban cites in the North such as New York, Philly, D.C., Boston, Pittsburgh, etc.
But I cannot ever recall the Wave done en masse at Wrigley.
I saw it it an EARLY Bears game, last year and people booed, and I have seen the "solo wave-ists" try to start it at Wrigley and people yell, "Sit Down!"
TheEman - August 6, 2006
Hey!!!
Leave Iowa out of this. lolsue369 - August 6, 2006
GREAT DAY!!!
great cubs win, Tiger got another win, and the hall of fame game is on. GO TROY!!!!! we need to get Irvin in there now.tbizzle83 - August 6, 2006
oh yea
and the 1st wave ive ever seen at wrigley field, what did you guys think about that. personally i like ittbizzle83 - August 6, 2006
I wonder
if I have to go to Iowa to get a Rich Hill jersey?cubfan1023 - August 6, 2006
Wave
I was dumbfounded by the wave sighting. Perhaps some tourists were confused by the "Waveland" signs and took it as: Wave-Land...The wave is such an artificial form of entertainment...ugh.
MaestroLeeb - August 6, 2006
Rich Hill's Last 3 Starts
Just for fun:2-0, 3.93 ERA
18.1 IP, 17 H, 8 ER, 3 HR, 6 BB, 16 K; WHIP 1.25
Romero - August 6, 2006
I was wrong
had the Cubs losing the series. Hill looked sharp. However the Pirates are bad, real bad. Can Jones run the bases, geez. I am hoping Sandberg works with Ronny and can turn into a good secondbaseman, I am in his corner. Any idea when Marshall comes off the DL??I was watching the game on MLB package ( live in Delaware) and saw the wave, I was to say the least disgusted.
Dusty please play Murton.
Johnny Callison was a Cub - August 6, 2006
Ryno
is working with Cedeno on fielding second. Marshall, Marmol and Murton went to Maddux (needs more M names) for advice and coaching. I like that the younger guys are going to experts for advice but, what is the paid coaching staff doing?Speaking of younger guys Len or Bob mentioned that Rich Hill is now the oldest member of the Cubs current starting rotation at 26. He's a few months older than Prior.
kessinger - August 6, 2006
When was the last time...
the Cubs won a series in which Zambrano lost a game?Also, Al i think calling the Marlins "AAA" is a little much. They're good against lefties, and Jason Bay was 0-4 with 3K's. You don't do that to Bay if you're a "AAAA pitcher."
Shawn Domagal-Goldman - August 6, 2006
er...
calling the Pirates "AAA" is a little too much, of course! I also think the Marlins don't deserve this title, as their young guns have proven themselves adequate at the MLB level this year...Shawn Domagal-Goldman - August 6, 2006
Bay...
... is a quality major league hitter. Some of the others might become so (Castillo, Bautista)... but the Pirates are a AAA team.Al Yellon - August 7, 2006
AAA Team
So a AAA team battered around out best starting pitcher?frustratedfan - August 7, 2006
Touch
n/tAl Yellon - August 7, 2006
And...
... the answer to your question about Z is: May 29-30-31, when they won the first two games of a home series vs. the Reds, and Z lost the third game 3-2 (although he threw six innings and gave up only 2 runs).Al Yellon - August 7, 2006
OK, the Wave thing HAD to be...
...those in Chicago for Lollapalooza. Really. I'm serious about that. This was a tourist-game Sunday, don't you think? The stands looked empty in the 7th inning. Had to be....Saturday concert, game, back to concert.I have never seen/heard of a Wave @ Wrigley. Had to be the Californians/and other out-of-staters in town. I knew of at least 8 people f/SD who went to Grant Park, instead of San Diego's "Street Scene," the 20-year-old Music Festival held this weekend in the parking lot of Qualcomm. (A few of the artists appeared at both festivals)
Smooth Jazz Man San Diego - August 6, 2006
... I agree
My thoughts exactly, had to be lots of tickets sold to out of towners this whole weekend.McCarron - August 6, 2006
2007 or 2008
Hi Al!Great to meet you before the game today!!!
The Cubs need 2 more starters and a power hitting corner OF to be contending for the wild card.
Where do you do go from here? You can't count on Prior or Wood! Who do you go after and why???
It doesn't take much in the NL to get in the Wild Card race. I say you get the best pitching and go from there.
Cheers.
Joe from Philly!!!!!!
PhillyCub - August 6, 2006
Joe...
... always great to talk to you. One of these days I'll get out to Philly and see a game there. Stop back anytime.Al Yellon - August 7, 2006
Also
These days, ball parks (and concerts, for that matter) are havens for those with short attention spans. There has to be something happening every, every second NO DOWN TIME.Here at Petco, (and I'm sure this prevails at most parks excluding Yankee Stadium, and Fenway Park) we are assaulted with blaring music videos, stupid scoreboard 'games,'hot dogs being flung into the stands via sling shots, multiple mascots (The "Franken-Friar" was introduced here last night -- and please, you don't want to know more) dancing groundskeepers, and every assult on the senses one could imagine. Thank goodness for NO video at Wrigley, and just the organ....with some recorded music...mostly, just the game. That just backs my theory that Sunday's Cubs crowd was loaded with visitors.....perhaps many season ticket holders....not wanting to see the Bucs...put them up on the various ticket-selling sites...and the toursists, in town for the concerts, snapped them up as entertainment between concert sessions. It's a thought...
Smooth Jazz Man San Diego - August 6, 2006
Yankee stadium
Is the Leader of the pack when it comes to blaring music, videos and the like. Each player has their own music, and they have just as many cap games, train races, and everything else. The grounds crew leading the crowd in Y.M.C.A.- That one is especially disturbing. 50,000 people singing a song about anonymous gay sex in the shower of a YMCA- Shudderiiing. The only thing that really works for me is Mariano's entrance to Enter Sandman, which isn't nearly as good as Trevor's entrance to Hell's Bells but it's still pretty cool.
Rich Hill is the oldest pitcher in the Cubs rotation. That's messed up.
yahoodi - August 6, 2006
This is considered acceptable???
"singing a song about anonymous gay sex in the shower of a YMCA".santo for prez - August 6, 2006
The Wave
I wonder if people doing the wave had anything to do with those horrible Old Style standup commercials. Where the doofus is talking about Johnny from Schaumburg starting the wave.jolietconvict - August 6, 2006
That wouldn't surprise me at all.
n/tAl Yellon - August 7, 2006
I'm not sold yet on Hill either...
And I suspect he'll have his ups and downs until he can effectively throw a third pitch.However, I'm further along the road than Al is in accepting him as legit. Yes, the Pirates are bad, but then this is the same team and offense that lit up Cy Young candidate Carlos Zambrano.
And the Diamondbacks are 5th in the NL in runs scored this year, so clearly no slouch offensively, and yet up until the 8th inning when he clearly started tiring, Hill pitched every bit as good as he did against the Pirates.
So, yes, he's got a long way to go before we can hand him a rotation slot next year, but considering how much slack we've given Sean Marshall this year as compared to the results, I think Rich Hill has bought himself the rest of the season to prove we don't need to add much more than one starting pitcher in free agency next year.
Especially since his last two starts have been better than anything Sean Marshall has done all year long, and has been up there with the best performances we've gotten from anybody this year, including Big Z.
theprognosticator - August 7, 2006
I have given this a lot of thought..
...over the last 24 hours. I personally, am not one that is for the wave or tossing around the beachball.What is the point of paying so much money to attend a major-leaugue ballgame? The answer to that question is different for every person. To some, it is being there to see ALL of the action and keep score. To others it is a family bonding experience. For some it is the enjoyment of the entire experience.
If there are people there with different beliefs than us we need to take into consideration their feelings as well. As long as that beachball is bouncing off of you or in your line of sight, or unless the wave is affecting your vision of the action (at which point you can respectfully ask them to refrain), who are we to ridicule people for enjoying their experience (which they paid for with their hard-earned money)?
I hope to never witness these actions during my trips to Wrigley Field but if they happen, I don't think that it will ruin my experience as much as seeing the Cubs lose or play horribly.
santo for prez - August 7, 2006
The beachballs and the waves...
... ARE distracting, no matter where they are in the ballpark - particularly the wave, in which people stand up in front of you for NO good reason, blocking your view. (BTW, "respectfully" asking them to refrain -- does absolutely no good.)Look, I'm the first guy to say "respect the feelings of others" -- right? So how is it that one idiot can think only of him or herself and do something like that, that does NOT belong at a baseball park, and the feelings of 40,000 others don't matter?
I respectfully disagree with you.
Al Yellon - August 7, 2006
If
40,000 people disagreed, then you'd be talking about a one man wave.For whatever reason yesterday, the majority of people in the stadium chose to participate in the wave. Personally, I hate the wave at anything other than a college football game. But I have no good reason for that other than that's what I've become accustomed to.
If the Cubs want to put an end to the wave they can follow the lead of the St. Paul Saints who have signs posted around the stadium forbidding the practice.
DSZ - August 7, 2006
I've done my share of one-man waves...
Yep...felt like an idiot too...theprognosticator - August 7, 2006
Hill's last
two outings if nothing else can't help but build his confidence. I liked in his post game interivew how he credited Barrett for helping him through the game.sue369 - August 7, 2006
Les Grobstein, your crow is ready...
Les Grobstein, as you may know, is a local broadcaster and Cub fan. Les loves to take shots at the Sox and Sox fans. One of Les' favorite things is to mock Sox fans when the wave happens, as it occasionally does, at The Cell."Yeah, (Sox fans) are the ones ... that ... do the Wave (only venu in Chicago that do that awful thing). You won't see that crap at Wrigley Field. Want me to go on?" - A post of Les Grobstein at WhiteSoxInteractive.com
So, "you won't see that crap at Wrigley Field?" Les Grobstein, your crow is ready!
DrCrawdad - August 7, 2006
OMG!
They did the wave??? That's weird. I guess people wanted a change?I didn't see any of the game or the highlights, so I still haven't seen the wave at Wrigley.
sparkles721 - August 7, 2006
Yeah,
it wasn't pretty. Count yourself lucky you didn't see it.sue369 - August 7, 2006
Good Sonny Jesus people...
It's the wave...It's not like they're burning flags or eating babies out there.
I fail to see how this is even an issue.
Don't like the wave? Fine. Don't stand up.
theprognosticator - August 7, 2006
Waving at Al
The first thing I did when the ghastly thing startedwas to look at Al's section ( which I can see pretty easily
from my seat) I can attest they were all sitting down
as was my immidiate area ( Kasey, John etc)
My mother who was with me was totally confused and had NO idea what was going on. I told her it was tourists but
she could not believe there were THAT many tourists
in the park
One of the best things about the Cubs and Wrigley
is NO WAVE and NO MASCOT. No idea what those
morons where thinking. Even the Pirate fan next
to me stayed in her seat
jessica - August 7, 2006
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