Use this diary for comments on Carlos Zambrano's apology press conference, which has just ended, and at which he took almost no questions.
And now for something completely different: here you thought the NFL was the only "No Fun League", what with its coaches not allowed to wear suits on the sidelines unless they're designed by Reebok, and the current controversy about the Canon-logo'ed red vests that sideline photographers now have to wear.
But today we learn that Lou Piniella has received a "wardrobe warning", not long after Red Sox manager Terry Francona got the same thing from the fashion police:
Anyway, a number of managers like the pullover look and feel, and I think Yankees manager Joe Torre has it right:
And now, back to our regularly scheduled pennant race.
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But that was then and this is now. Trachsel's overall numbers are not very good -- particularly that frightening BB/K ratio -- but in his last six starts, comprising the month of August, he was 1-1 with a 2.37 ERA. Those numbers don't sound that impressive until you realize that the team he was on -- Baltimore -- was 9-19 in August, with a team ERA of 6.65 (and that includes Trachsel's 2.37).
On the other hand, he faced the Dodgers as a Met on September 10, 2006 and got pounded. The Dodgers might start Mike Lieberthal behind the plate tonight; he's 13-for-32, 2 doubles, 2 HR (.406/.429/.656) against Trachsel.
On paper, this doesn't appear to be much of a matchup, what with Penny one of the best pitchers in the NL. However, Penny hasn't been as good since the All-Star break as he was before. He has started seven games in his career vs. the Cubs, and is 2-2, 3.60 in those games. Jacque Jones is 4-for-9 with a HR off Penny; Derrek Lee 4-for-8, 2 doubles; and Aramis Ramirez 9-for-21, a double among the 9 hits.
Oh, if only TV schedules made sense. Tomorrow's game, which is nationally available on WGN, is also being picked up by ESPN. Today's game, which is cable-only... stays there. National coverage score: Tomorrow 2, Today 0. So, check out today's Mediacenter link.
MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)
MLB.com Gameday (2006 version)
MLB.com Gameday for the Astros/Brewers game (7:05 CT start)
MLB.com Gameday for the Pirates/Cardinals game (7:10 CT start)
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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Trachsel
Lets hope Steve gets off to a good start tonight. It would be nice to see him get a quality start then see Wood, Marmol, and Dempster nail down the last three innings. I hope I'm not asking for too much.grogg2434 - September 4, 2007
Wardrobe warnings.....
...Scioscia got one as well. Really, really, really stupid. I was wondering why I couldn't get another Evolution of the Cubbie Bear shirt. it's uh, a bit dodgy.BeerCub - September 4, 2007
Relief in Milwaukee
Brewers get Ray KingHe won't however be eligible for the postseason roster should they (G-d forbid!) make it. I think it's a desperation move that won't help them a bit
CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
I'll Say This For Ray King.....
.....he's a genuinely nice person who pitches a lot better than you'd think, given that round body of his. I don't understand why he's been on so many teams.BeerCub - September 4, 2007
he sure was tough vs the Cubs
at least when he was with STLCubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
Let me be the lone voice of agreement with MLB.
I think managers and coaches should be wearing the jersey like the players. That sweatshirt that some managers wear looks sloppy and unprofessional. MLB should also do something about the players who wear pant bottoms past their shoes.Oscarson1 - September 4, 2007
I concur
Might as well take care of the problem before you have someone looking homeless coming out of the dugout, a la Bellicek. I really can't believe the NFL did nothing about that for so long.hawkeyenation - September 4, 2007
Money, money, money...
Pinella, Francona, Torre should give half their money back. The money that pay their salaries, the player salaries, and add to the largesse of MLB is, amongst other things, from the big dollars that the sport gets from corporate sponsors. The apparel folks pay a ton of dollars and therefore they deserve to have a pretty big say over apparel related issues. On the surface level this may be ridiculous, but getting big dollars helps create the lifestyle that MLB players and managers are accustomed to. Therefore they have to play by the rules.DmL
dmlichte - September 4, 2007
Wardrobe (and MLB) malfunctions
Argghhhh!!!! I don't even know why I bother thinking about anything to do with MLB and their inane policies, but I guess I have to ask the question...Doesn't Majestic make team fleece pullovers?
If yes, then why the big deal? Isn't an official logo pullover just as good as an official logo jersey?
If not, then a pox on their house for not realizing that hey - sometimes it gets a little cold during the season. Or in Francona's case, a circulatory condition where it helps to stay really warm.
Stupid policies like this are yet another reason why we need Mark Cuban in this league - and obviously yet another reason why he will never be allowed in.
ballhawk - September 4, 2007
Apparently nobody at the league office...
...can figure out that outfits meant for pro athletes in the peak of their physical condition during athletic competition aren't necessarily the best choice for old men sitting on wooden benches. Apparently.cwyers - September 4, 2007
here, here
no one would want to see phil jackson in a basketball uni. (shudder)cervantes05 - September 4, 2007
Apparently
Francona wears the pullover for circultory problems and has notified MLB in June about this. I don't have an issue with it, however to go after Francona in the middle of the game to see if he has the proper jersey on under his pullover is BS.MLB, wake up, monitor/and notify players, managers some other time, not in the middle of the game. What about the other issues, the draft where high school players sign for more than Theriot will see in 3 years and others, and of course the roid issues. Geez what a joke.
Go Cubs, hope Steve gives us a good 6, Penny will be tough.
Johnny Callison was a Cub - September 4, 2007
I'm headed to Wrigley shortly for the game
I was amped with morning, but feeling chilled and relaxed now, which usually means a Cubs win. GO CUBS! I want to sing that corny, but strangely lovable, song tonight.ElvisCole - September 4, 2007
you
mean GO!CUBS!WIN!tbizzle83 - September 4, 2007
Piniella's wardrobe
With Lou's physique, I'm surprised Majestic wants him to wear any of their clothing. Seeing him in a jersey sure doesn't make me want to run out and buy one.rlpete - September 4, 2007
LOL.
;)cubsfan4life - September 4, 2007
Good point!
lmaozevkalman - September 4, 2007
LAOL!
n/tFraggin Judge - September 4, 2007
Let's do this
Cubs, you know you can.sue369 - September 4, 2007
lou
doesnt he almost always wear his jersey??tbizzle83 - September 4, 2007
mlb
needs to crack down on all of those players who wear thier hats cocked to one side. thats bigger than a stupid jersey problemtbizzle83 - September 4, 2007
Eric Patterson
According to WSCR, he arrived late yesterday and was sent home. He is also not at the ballpark today.DmL
dmlichte - September 4, 2007
Uh oh.
What time are they supposed to show up, anyway?phat
phatass - September 4, 2007
And, the ESPN 1000
Bruce Levine reported the same story as he was sent down to AA ball.This is the difference in the two reporters.
Remember: WSCR is the White Sox flagship. So, they get the scraps - not to mention their reporters do not have nearly the cred that Levine does.
TheEman - September 4, 2007
WSCR
I heard the intial "breaking news" bit as WSCR first reported that Patterson was no longer around. I turned off the radio about two minutes later so I have no idea if, in their update, they had the full report. If the Cubs are not passing along the same info to WSCR because they're the Sox flagship than they're idiots. They're cutting off their nose to spite their face and cutting off a valuable conduit to a LOT of fans.DmL
dmlichte - September 4, 2007
All's good fellas...
...we now have the speedy Samuel Fuld from AA to take his spot.Who the fuld is that?
KevinFosterFan - September 4, 2007
patterson pitch-hit in the 5th yesterday?
lji001 - September 4, 2007
I'm not starting any rumors
But I don't think they mete out such harsh penalties unless they suspect the guy was incredibly irresponsible or they smelled alcohol on his breath. Maybe I'm wrong.zevkalman - September 4, 2007
Well...
... I wonder if Tony LaRussa would have preferred that he had dealt with Josh Hancock a bit more harshly when he arrived late to the ballpark and did other things that warranted some penalty. The Cubs want Patterson to be a key player for them in the future and today he learned a pretty big lesson. Hopefully he'll take something from it.DmL
dmlichte - September 4, 2007
if he was sent home yesterday,
then who was the guy in the patterson jersey who hit the double?anormal - September 4, 2007
Yeah, I don't
get that rumor because he did bat yesterday. Funny how rumors get started.sue369 - September 4, 2007
He was demoted...
because he was late today.http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2007/09/big-z-i-love-th.html"target="_ blank"
Fraggin Judge - September 4, 2007
I like Lou
Cooler heads will prevail.
This cracked me up.
phat
phatass - September 4, 2007
Oops! Guess
he'll think twice about being late again.sue369 - September 4, 2007
Great move on Eric Pat today
this will make him a much better player in the future. As I said yesterday, 9/3 will be seen as a big turn-around day for Big Z. Lou is the master of these sorts of things. This is not Dusty-Town anymore!LAcarl519 - September 4, 2007
So what did I miss ?
Just back from 6 days in LA. Got scores but did not see any of the games. Ok Z had a meltdown & the human rain delay is back,Dempster is still scary. and I got a bill for about $2,000 for post season tickets. I really had not time ( or computer) to look at BCB except very briefly and folks all I can say is save your energy & fasten your seat belts it is going to be a bumpy month.As for tonight, Traschel vs Penny does not fill me with optimism.
Penny is world class jackass. He does not eat babies or kick dogs but he does fight with teamates, umpires or anything else at hand and he will always be the "fake" #31. Alas he is a damn good pitcher. Best shot is to get someone to piss him off and get him kicked out early ( which has happened before).
jessica - September 4, 2007
NAnd are you in N.Y.
now? Or Chi?TheEman - September 4, 2007
Just a quick trip for a movie convention
I go every year. Hey I turned down A FREE TRIP to Italythis October for a silent movie convention. I am hoping to be
otherwise engaged.
jessica - September 4, 2007
Penny hasn't pitched at Wrigley
since game 7 2003 NLCS, according to Baseball Reference. Anyone remember that one?JFCubFan - September 4, 2007
Please don't bring up 2003 again.
Thanks :-)zevkalman - September 4, 2007
Yes. DO NOT
bring up 2003, or Penny in the same sentence. Thanks!TheEman - September 4, 2007
Patterson Was Sent Down
And Pignatiello, Kevin Hart and Sam Euld were recalled today, according to AP. They also mention he was sent down because he was late yesterday.markleonette - September 4, 2007
how could you be late??
What a bad move....JB 23 - September 4, 2007
He was late today.
See my post above with the link to the news article.Fraggin Judge - September 4, 2007
According to the Wire Story
he was late Monday. But they could be wrong.markleonette - September 4, 2007
The Tribune appears to say...
that Patterson was late today, Tuesday. Could be a problem of syntaxis. Go figure.http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2007/09/big-z-i-love-th.html"target="_ blank"
Fraggin Judge - September 4, 2007
I would probably trust the Tribune,
plus because of the holiday, if feels like Monday.markleonette - September 4, 2007
It is
Sam FULD.TheEman - September 4, 2007
Damn Patterson!
Why would you be late?! Ugh.Oh well. Why not call up Colvin? Because they are in a "pennent race"? Or because it would ruin his track?
Unique - September 4, 2007
Because he is like Corey?
I know, I know, fire away, people!Fraggin Judge - September 4, 2007
Lineups
Lineups:Dodgers
- R Furcal, SS
- J Pierre, CF
- M Kemp, RF
- J Kent, 2B
- L Gonzalez, LF
- R Martin, C
- J Loney, 1B
- A LaRoche, 3B
- B Penny, P
CUBS:gocubs40 - September 4, 2007
does anyone know
If Trachsel still pitches at the speed of frozan molasses?JB 23 - September 4, 2007
Trachssel
throws more slowly than an Amish buggy on a state highway...but unfortunately not as well as others slowballers like Moyer, Maddux, or Wakefield...rrobinson - September 4, 2007
Trachsel not Trachssel...
SORRY.Now, let's go Cubs! Give Penny a solid beating! Wake up bats! Wake up the leather! Come on now!
rrobinson - September 4, 2007
I trust you mean the speed of the pitches
and not Traschel's insane habit of doing everything to AVOID throwing the actual ball TO THE PLATE ? Just being my usual Maddux obsessed self because he is anything but slow. He throws the fatest games in baseball even if his fastballs are slow. Traschel throws dozens of balls to first and Maddux basically none. Hmm lets see which one is doing better. ?jessica - September 4, 2007
Yes,
I meant the speed of the pitches...Maddux is one of the top two or three pitchers of the past 20 years....rrobinson - September 5, 2007
Is there any rain forecasted for tonight?
:-)Fraggin Judge - September 4, 2007
No
only a 100% chance of mini minute delays between pitches in the top of the 1st inning with the percentage dropping as the evening goes on.IllinoisCubs - September 4, 2007
I would like to see Pie
in there at least once a week.Unique - September 4, 2007
Murton needs to be boo'd
the next time this bonehead let's a ball skip by him, the next time he bobbles a ground ball base hit, the next time he goes to pick up the ball and kicks it 5 times, the next time he runs into the CF on a routine fly ball the CF is calling for it, the next time he can't hit the cut off man because he's too busy freaking out and just heaves the ball toward the infield.This guy is clueless in the OF and the Cubs need to start booing his terrible defensive lapses so he knows he's screwing up, like the Cub faithful did to Carlos yesterday.
lemon20pie - September 4, 2007
Watch out
I brought this up yesterday and got pounced for being negative. You are right on though. I love Murton's bat but he should only be used in pinch hitting situations from here on out. This summer we need to find an American League team who wants to work him as a DH.IllinoisCubs - September 4, 2007
Hey LEMON -
Think maybe you need a reality check....Murton only hit HR's to spark the team in BOTH wins this last weekend....(oh yeah...forgot about that, eh?)
And Murton doesn't get paid a FRACTION of what Z gets paid.
Talk about clueless...
Bluelou - September 4, 2007
Too bad in the NL
there is no DH and you have to play both offense and Defense, duh. Talk about clueless. Murton's only future in MLB is as a DH. DUH.lemon20pie - September 4, 2007
Is that the BEST you can do?
what are ya...a CARDS fan??Bluelou - September 4, 2007
Ahhh
so, the booing is limited to higher paid athletes?Wow, ok, didn't know that was a guidline in the "rules of booing" handbook. Nice.
lemon20pie - September 4, 2007
so, the booing is limited to higher paid athletes?
No...you're just lame and weak...Bluelou - September 4, 2007
lame and weak?
HAHA lame and weak? If you insist, dude.lemon20pie - September 4, 2007
If you insist, dude
Apparently it is YOU who insists on being that way...which is why you keep posting and stirring up trouble with your doom and gloom...Bluelou - September 4, 2007
Murton
Are you sure that Murton knows what a cut-off man even is???DeRoMyHero - September 4, 2007
Lots of nonsense
about a guy that isn't even starting tonight.JFCubFan - September 4, 2007
See comments like this
are the reason why Cub fans are getting worse.So you don't think Murton knows about his problems in the outfield.. so when we boo him he will think to himself? Wow I need to turn into Vlad and start being a better outfielder overnight. This is where it draws between being a human being and being superman. Murton isn't good in the outfield. Booing him will not make it better. Hell, the only thing it does is makes him worse.
Now Zambrano IS a good pitcher. He can be the best pitcher in the MLB if he got his mind right. He has the ability to change his habits and develop his talent. 2 different situations.
Unique - September 4, 2007
booing your own team
doesn't solve anything..Chanman25 - September 4, 2007
wrong
Expressing displeasure with your team DOES affect things. Think the Cubs would have spent $300 million last offseason if the stands had been full in September and if the White Sox hadn't gotten better ratings?elgato - September 4, 2007
according to the "Pile on Zambrano"
Diary, that's why he should've been boo'd. You know, to let him know he made a mistake. THat's why Murton should be reminded the next time he kicks one in the OF. It's in the handbook, don't ya know.lemon20pie - September 4, 2007
Penny for your thoughts?
Nah, just the losing pitcher.Go Cubs!!!
daver - September 4, 2007
It's gonna get ugly tonight.
Penny will shut down the Cubs and the Cub faith will have countless hours to kill in Wrigleyville getting liquered up and will be getting hostile and the boo birds will start by the 5th inning.Dodgers 8
Cubbies 3
Gotta hope the Brewers fall to the Pirates again, only possibility of a silver lining for tonight.
lemon20pie - September 4, 2007
And a new low has been reached
Yowza.Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
Truth hurts
That's what's going to happen tonight. It sucks, but it's the truth. I've seen this movie a million times.lemon20pie - September 4, 2007
I've seen this movie a million times
Yeah....and we've seen YOURS twice that amount and it's STILL the same old bad rerun...Bluelou - September 4, 2007
I apologize
I was just informed that when Cub fans at Wrigley Boo a player, they're actually saying "BOOOOO-ze".lemon20pie - September 4, 2007
Actually...
It's Boo-urns. Now, can we move on from this conversation. We have a loss to watch!MrFurious - September 4, 2007
I was just informed
You mean MIS informed, don't you?You should quit while you're behind....
I've never seen such lame-ness...
Bluelou - September 4, 2007
I can't help this but...
it's pretty "Lame" to continually reuse the word lame in all of your "smackdowns". Sad...Come on, get out a thesaurus.
MrFurious - September 4, 2007
I can't help this
You're right....you can't.Mind your own business....wasn't talkin' to you anyway.
Bluelou - September 4, 2007
what kind of person...
joins a forum only to be combative?rm463 - September 4, 2007
A furious one?
thehawk - September 4, 2007
Misinformed?
So you're saying the sentence should read?I was just MISinformed that when Cub fans at Wrigley Boo a player, they're actually saying "BOOOOO-ze".
Really? I guess you're right. I mean, someone who uses the word "lame" 5 times in 4 posts, certainly must know the english language very well.
lemon20pie - September 4, 2007
uses the word "lame" 5 times in 4 posts
Repetition is what it usually takes for the slow ones like yourself.I'd be happy use a different, more effective method for you if you'd like, since you still aren't getting it...
Bluelou - September 4, 2007
lol
Good one.sue369 - September 4, 2007
Hold on I've seen this somewhere
http://www.printsandphotos.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Category_Code=Harry%2BTruman&a mp;Product_Code=3265Villeslgr - September 4, 2007
The good vibes are out tonite i see
thehawk - September 4, 2007
The good vibes are out tonite i see
LOL!Hey hawk....waddup in Lynn-town? :-)
Bluelou - September 4, 2007
lol not much Blue!
Just waiting for the woman to get home, and enjoying the cool weather! What are you up to man?thehawk - September 4, 2007
Just waiting for the woman to get home
Mine's already home -As for the weather, I'll be glad when the sun returns tomorrow... :-)
Bluelou - September 4, 2007
Sheesh
Back and forth, back and forth. What do these people get out of this bickering at each other?BlueSox - September 4, 2007
I'd say at least wait...
for the game to start so we can have something to argue about! :Pthehawk - September 4, 2007
What do these people get out of this bickering
Absolutely nothin'.Only difference, is these clowns come in here with their doom and gloom insults, and I come back in defence.
I really do have better things to do though, especially since the game has started.
So I will....
Bluelou - September 4, 2007
yeah i feel ya
I really enjoy all the players on the team this year. It's been a fun season, hopefully it won't end for awhile.thehawk - September 4, 2007
1 pitch, 1 out
good!Chanman25 - September 4, 2007
1 down, 26 pitches to go
Or atleast, I hope!sanantonecub - September 4, 2007
Trachsel is on a 27 pitch count?
Wow, I wasn't expecting much out of him, but was hoping he could go longer than 27 pitches.I know you meant outs, just bustin y'er stones.
lemon20pie - September 4, 2007
Nah...I'm no troll...
Just killing time while waiting for the game. I am actually tired of all the back and forth, so I thought that I could point out (in a non-preachy way) that this kind of stuff is pointless. Kind of like chewing people out who use profanity in a negative way while ignoring those who use it in a supportive tone. Dropping bombs either offends or it doesn't, but the context shouldn't be able to get some people a free pass. And...I'm done.On a serious note, how do you create a signature?
MrFurious - September 4, 2007
2 down...
pretty effective, SO FARChanman25 - September 4, 2007
I for one forgive Z
ws mad as hell at him last night, but I understand that he simply made mistake. God knows we have all said things we later regret. Hope this story ends here, we have a pennet race to worry about and not some stupid soap opera.Lets go get em!!!!!
DC Cubbie - September 4, 2007
"we have a pennet race to worry about"
YES! And a Pennant Race, too!TheEman - September 4, 2007
ack!
come on Aramis..Chanman25 - September 4, 2007
Speaking of free passes from earlier...
Has anyone noticed that we are getting the old error prone Ramirez lately. He moves like a tank out there.MrFurious - September 4, 2007
he's banged up
It's not that surprising.elgato - September 4, 2007
It's been awhile since we've had a 1,2,3 inning
hasn't it?thehawk - September 4, 2007
1st inning that is
thehawk - September 4, 2007
don't you love it?
when people post negative stuff saying "well this hasn't happened..." and it happens the split second after its postedChanman25 - September 4, 2007
Actually...
It still wasn't a 1,2,3 inning.On another note, how do you create a signature?
MrFurious - September 4, 2007
lol i was going to ask if that
counts as a 1,2,3 inning!thehawk - September 4, 2007
PICK OFF!!
Bluelou - September 4, 2007
Love a nice pick off in our favor!
thehawk - September 4, 2007
Love a nice pick off in our favor!
Yep...AND...
I believe that means only three batters logged an out...so that's TECHNICALLY a 1-2-3 1st, right?
:-) (wink)
Bluelou - September 4, 2007
Good way to start!
thehawk - September 4, 2007
Good job Trachs
Hill, were you watching that???BlueSox - September 4, 2007
Nice inning, Trachzzzzzzzel
you just take your time.hipster17 - September 4, 2007
Was that a Cubs pitcher
watching out for opposing baserunners?zevkalman - September 4, 2007
I believe it was
Nice change of pace, no?BlueSox - September 4, 2007
whew
thehawk - September 4, 2007
That was solid...
didn't seem to take forever, for one thing. On gameday it also appeared that Trachsie was getting squeezed a little.MrFurious - September 4, 2007
frickin Lloyd Braun
DC Cubbie - September 4, 2007
Darn those leadoff hits!!!
sanantonecub - September 4, 2007
best revenge right there
n/thipster17 - September 4, 2007
Damn those leadoff hit*s*!
sanantonecub - September 4, 2007
Just keep making contact boys
That's how you beat the penny waiting for change.BlueSox - September 4, 2007
Come on Cubs
sue369 - September 4, 2007
wow that was low
thehawk - September 4, 2007
Sorry Blue but...
1-2-3 inningAn inning in which a pitcher faces only three batters and retires them all without any reaching base. Also named "Three up, three down"
That's two tonight. One more, and you will have gone down 1, 2, 3.
Wink--
MrFurious - September 4, 2007
Hey mc-whatever you are...
I wasn't talking to you....care to mind your own business?Thanks.
Bluelou - September 4, 2007
ah crap
sue369 - September 4, 2007
crapp
come on Lee..Chanman25 - September 4, 2007
DANGIT....
Is he a DP machine or what? He keeps rolling over on the pitch...MrFurious - September 4, 2007
braun homers in mil.
ankiel doubles in a run in st. louis. both teams lead.buckmulligan - September 4, 2007
Anyone else watching on TV...
...notice that the guy in the pink hat is back?daver - September 4, 2007
he's there nearly every night,
or at least he has been for the last month. i'd like to have those seats.buckmulligan - September 4, 2007
He looks like...
...Tommy Lasorda's less successful brother.daver - September 4, 2007
he has better seats than tommy.
buckmulligan - September 4, 2007
Yeah
The big guy just to the right of the center field camera's view?BlueSox - September 4, 2007
Come on Ramy!
thehawk - September 4, 2007
come on captain chubbs....
hit us a dinger!!!JakeH - September 4, 2007
Well if nothing else...
...Penny is throwing a lot of pitches.daver - September 4, 2007
DLee
Needs a rest. Still love the guy, but he needs a break. He never gets one. Also, Penny already seems to be getting a little bigger zone the T-sellMrFurious - September 4, 2007
Penny doesn't seem to be even coming close
to the strike zoneChanman25 - September 4, 2007
Come on Mark
sue369 - September 4, 2007
1-0 Brew Crew
sanantonecub - September 4, 2007
poop
sue369 - September 4, 2007
damn...
...DeRosa hit that hard.daver - September 4, 2007
well, that's a lousy start to the evening.
buckmulligan - September 4, 2007
Sue's POOPIN'
in the 1st!TheEman - September 4, 2007
Please...please...
Do something here!!, this could have been huge if not for the DP.MrFurious - September 4, 2007
damn...
1 inning, five left on base!!Chanman25 - September 4, 2007
The Collar is tight folks...
the collar is tight!TheEman - September 4, 2007
i just wish the cardinals would lose 11-0
every day.buckmulligan - September 4, 2007
In heaven, they do.
daver - September 4, 2007
lmao nice idea of heaven!
thehawk - September 4, 2007
So,
using my powers of deduction, such as they are, you just implied that there are no Cardinal fans in heaven?BlueSox - September 4, 2007
That is correct.
daver - September 4, 2007
I'll have to tell my co-worker
that I have proof he is going to hell.BlueSox - September 4, 2007
direct satelite link up
so we can watch them in hell.elgato - September 4, 2007
There shouldn't be...
they are the most smarmy fans in any game. I can't stand them. Sadly, I have to put up with them on a daily basis. Best fans in baseball my ass.MrFurious - September 4, 2007
loud, sustained applause
elgato - September 4, 2007
3 LOB...
They say that baseball is a tough game to play when you are stressed (playing tight). It just seems that when the cubs start doing something positive, we get super excited/nervous/needy/vocal, and they can't come through. St. Louis always seems to play relaxed and easy. If they take the division I am going to kill someone.MrFurious - September 4, 2007
Well, maybe we shouldn't
get that way.And I don't think STL plays any differently.
Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
Hey folks - MRFURIOUS = MRDURDEN
IMHOBluelou - September 4, 2007
I think you're
on to something there.sue369 - September 4, 2007
Huh?
I am not attacking you personally with any name calling there Blue, just pointing out your errors, when you make patronizing comments. Trust me, I want the Cubs to do as well as anyone else, and I am not being negative for the sake of being negative. Just commenting on the things that I see. My opinions are meant to be constructive not destructive.MrFurious - September 4, 2007
We've discussed this b/f
but shouldn't the "veteran" playoff presence on the team serve as a calming effect.You know - keep things loose?
TheEman - September 4, 2007
It should...
but if they are veteran to this team, then they feel it, and if they are new to the team (but old to the league) the vibes aren't hard to pick up. Fans booing regularly sure doesn't help.MrFurious - September 4, 2007
Not me.
I ONLY boo Will FREAKIN' Oh-Man! and Joe West. That's COWBOY Joe.Oh - I boo opponents AND Angel Hernandez - the worst strike zone in MLB.
Oh, and, - I DID boo Jacque Jones sparingly in April and May, but I am reformed.
But I will confess I booed Todd Hundley mercilessly.
TheEman - September 4, 2007
I do boo
the umpires on a regular basis. I also boo Violet Palmer of the NBA. I can't stand her.sue369 - September 4, 2007
Can't argue too much there...
I understand Ohman, and Hundley. Joe West and Angel Hernandez (not just the strike zone, but the stare down). Those two are the worst...arguably. I never really got the J Jones thing. He got a bad rap for no good reason. Just like Juan Encarnacion in STL. Fans here hated him. They feel like crap now. A side note about J Jones: I saw him in STL when he made an impressive catch of a Pujols ball. I was in the first row, right over his head, and I started cheering him on. He looked at me like I was being sarcastic (and I had Cubs gear on). I hope we didn't ruin the guy.MrFurious - September 4, 2007
fans have every right to boo
And we SHOULD boo in certain situations. When the Cubs were awful last year, fans booed, didn't go to the ballpark and watched the Cubs so little on TV that the Sox had better ratings.And what happened? The Trib spent $300 million and the Cubs are now in first place. I, for one, am happy that we booed -- I think it helped the Cubs bring out the check book.
Z deserved everything he got yesterday. I'm hoping yesterday might get him to use his head a little more.
elgato - September 4, 2007
Not gonna argue about that either...
he really showed that he deserved it with the walk off antics and the post game comments. He is a meathead anyway. However, booing last year (when they just stunk) and this year (when they may MAY get it done) are two different things.MrFurious - September 4, 2007
Gonzalez looks like he's been in
a couple knife fightsthehawk - September 4, 2007
Any RCN customers in Chicago
Having trouble getting channel 37, CSN?El Borto - September 4, 2007
Oh, my god
Great defense, guys!!!BlueSox - September 4, 2007
ooh baby
sounded lucky there. nice dp. some lucky defense that inning?cervantes05 - September 4, 2007
that inning looked very scary
but turned around in a flash.CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
What a great defensive inning!
In fact, that's two pretty memorable innings for Trachsel.daver - September 4, 2007
Thats how you get out of that!
thehawk - September 4, 2007
Hawk - I was thinking a DP would be nice....
I just didn't think it would be THAT particular type of one... LOL :-)Bluelou - September 4, 2007
Not to mention the fielders choice
for the first out!thehawk - September 4, 2007
Not to mention the fielders choice
Oy... :-)Bluelou - September 4, 2007
Yep - four on base in the 1st.
2 with the GIDP and two walks.TheEman - September 4, 2007
Go Cubs!
Wish I could see this game, though Pat and Ron are doing a pretty good job.Villeslgr - September 4, 2007
I think the world of Pat's game calling...
If/when they ever get a new play by play guy for TV, I would hope that they consider him. How long will he stay on the radio side?MrFurious - September 4, 2007
Until you uncover your real
identity. ;-)TheEman - September 4, 2007
LOL
And here I thought MrDurden was banished to the island for misfit posters. Guess not.sue369 - September 4, 2007
I do not fall into any easy category...
but I get chastized for falling out of the accepted click here. I call them as I see them.MrFurious - September 4, 2007
Ok Ok...
I'll admit it. It's me Ron Santo. I am posting the board between screams and groans.Hey, how do you guys create the signature (or do you type it in every time?).
MrFurious - September 4, 2007
You are
a busy guy then.sue369 - September 4, 2007
Come on Jason
sue369 - September 4, 2007
zzzzzz...
bats are dead... damn that lee DP in the first...cervantes05 - September 4, 2007
Dead for the last month
CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
Here we go ...
As sure as the swallows come back to Capistrano.Batters 7, 8 and 9 were up last inning.
Relax. Good God.
I'm really, REALLY trying to control myself here ...
Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
Goodness!
BlueSox - September 4, 2007
I'm not whining or prediciting
all I'm saying is that we've had little offense for the last month. Check the stats, see when the Cubs last scored 7 or 8 runs. They've been lucky to turn it on late in games, but only because the pitching kept them in games.CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
= predicting
CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
My response was to
the OP.Saying "bats are dead" after one inning isn't very astute analysis, is it?
Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
Is anyone getting CSN channel 37 on RCN cable
I'm getting no signal, and its driving me nuts!El Borto - September 4, 2007
Pirates have
tied it up.JakeH - September 4, 2007
Nobody likes CB Bucknor
How does this guy keep his job?roscoevillage - September 4, 2007
Does anyone know...
who the guy in the front row that always wears a pink Cubs hat and a green Cubs shirt is? Is he a scout or something?grogg2434 - September 4, 2007
no idea....
but he's usually had a few drinks by the 5th inning.JakeH - September 4, 2007
LOL
I remember him. A few games back he was really going to town on the home plate ump. It was funny as hell.BlueSox - September 4, 2007
high and tight...
was that as close to his head as it looked on Gameday?MrFurious - September 4, 2007
I got a shitty connection on mlb.com
thehawk - September 4, 2007
Hawk....I'm tellin' ya...
Name a place and time in Lynn-town and we'll hook up and who knows?The wives might even become buddies and YOU AND I can watch games... :-)
Bluelou - September 4, 2007
If there were any places in this
damn town that would play a cubs game instead of the mariners! lolthehawk - September 4, 2007
There IS dude....MY house!
I will be watching all DA Bearsss games too...Bluelou - September 4, 2007
Sunday the
Cubs at 12:35 p.m. and the Bears at 3:15 p. m. Doesn't get any better than that.sue369 - September 4, 2007
Doesn't get any better than that
Word.Bluelou - September 4, 2007
mine too
it keeps buffering and hanging up on meblueapple - September 4, 2007
Alright Steve!
Keep it up!!!cubsbak - September 4, 2007
Is anyone going
to the game tomorrow night? I'm heading up there from Peoria to see my 2nd game this year.I thought I remember seeing it was a bobblehead night....could it be???
JakeH - September 4, 2007
Hey
I know someone going to the game from Peoria tomorrow night. Are you going with a group?MrFurious - September 4, 2007
If you call 5 people
a group, then yes. Not sure where the seats are yet.JakeH - September 4, 2007
Anyone in your group named...
Jon?MrFurious - September 4, 2007
Yes
indeed.JakeH - September 4, 2007
Without saying his last name...
I believe that it is a nice anagram for a inappropriate distinction of a woman. Am I right?MrFurious - September 4, 2007
I think that you may be accompanying...
my brother in law. CoolMrFurious - September 4, 2007
I would love some help
I will admit my stupidity if someone can let me know how to create a signature line.MrFurious - September 4, 2007
Click on MrFurious's Page at top right
then go to your profile and make your sig.LT - September 4, 2007
I don't have a signature so I'm not sure if this
works, but if you look under menu on the top right of the page and click on "your name"'s page and then click on "my profile" on the next page it allows you to type in a signature.Villeslgr - September 4, 2007
It's not
being stupid. Just click on your name in the right hand column that says MrFurious page and then go to profile. You should be able to make a sig then.sue369 - September 4, 2007
I will admit my stupidity
Ummm.....Nope....
I'm not going there....
Bluelou - September 4, 2007
That's smart...
any help though?MrFurious - September 4, 2007
wow
does Fonz swing at everything? I know that he does from watching it on TV, but watching it pitch by pitch on gameday is hilarious. Are these even close?MrFurious - September 4, 2007
just about
CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
there you go
a scorcher, eh...cervantes05 - September 4, 2007
eh
wasted.CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
Where was that in the first. Dang
Let's get him in!!MrFurious - September 4, 2007
D'OH
bummerMrFurious - September 4, 2007
Thanks for the help everyone.
That has been driving me nuts for a while.MrFurious - September 4, 2007
for that we helped?
can't you do any better?CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
I live in St. Louis
and that is one of my favorite simpsons quotes that pretty much sums up my feelings for this state. I have to put up with a ton of abuse from Mizzou, Card, and Rams fans. So...it will stick for now.Everybody's can't be the awesomely clever Prince Fielder line. That one will live forever.
MrFurious - September 4, 2007
So my little girl...
...just turned five months old today, and she's VERY fussy from teething. So what puts a crying baby to sleep with ease?That's right, folks, three innings of the Trachselnator. Thanks, Steve Trachsel!
cwyers - September 4, 2007
Have any
Ora-Jel? It works great. Other wise maybe childrens Tylenol.sue369 - September 4, 2007
Tried Ora-Gel.
Didn't work half as well as the Human Raid Delay.cwyers - September 4, 2007
Sorry.
Wish I had more to offer.sue369 - September 4, 2007
Ora-Jel? It works great.
Naw....just give 'er a XANAX....SHE'LL sleep... :-)
Bluelou - September 4, 2007
Did Lee just grab his ribs...
after stretching out for that ball?grogg2434 - September 4, 2007
cardinals
just get a clutch 2 out bases loaded double from duncan, lead 5-2.buckmulligan - September 4, 2007
anybody else see
D-Lee grab his ribs after scooping that throw?elgato - September 4, 2007
Yeah and
now he just fell on them.sue369 - September 4, 2007
cubs, not good at the running game.
buckmulligan - September 4, 2007
Or
the hitting game.cubsbak - September 4, 2007
ugh.
i hope this night gets a lot better.buckmulligan - September 4, 2007
crap
MrFurious - September 4, 2007
poop.
running on Kendall pays dividends.CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
We can get
that run and more back. Come on Cubs!!!sue369 - September 4, 2007
Wish we could get a comfortable lead...
so I could relax and enjoy the game!Saratoga - September 4, 2007
those days are over my friend.
This will be a month of blood pressure spikes.MrFurious - September 4, 2007
I wonder...
what is our ERA with Kendall pitching compared to Koyie Hill. If the position really is a defensive one, why did we cast him aside. We played great (and pitched better) with him as a primary catcher.MrFurious - September 4, 2007
d'ooooooh
n/tcervantes05 - September 4, 2007
at least the pen's rested
no one of significance was used yesterday.. hope lou has a quick hook tonight. can't spot many runs w/ penny pitching.CubFaninCA - September 4, 2007
YAY Ward!!
sue369 - September 4, 2007
Penny doesn't have his best stuff
hope we can make him pay at some point!!!DC Cubbie - September 4, 2007
lol
santo sounded piss ward went for third... the game's mvp so far!cervantes05 - September 4, 2007
ok
gotta score one now.CubFaninCA - September 4, 2007
Come on JJ
bring them home.sue369 - September 4, 2007
When Daryl Ward
is taking the extra base on you I think it's time to stop playing outfield in the major leagues.cubsbak - September 4, 2007
Nobody has ever accused the Dodgers...
...of knowing how to assemble an outfield.cwyers - September 4, 2007
Tie game!!! JJ da MA-AN!!
Bluelou - September 4, 2007
1-1
Keep em coming Cubs!!sue369 - September 4, 2007
we'll take it....
as usual, he gets a steady diet of the outside stuff. Go to see him make positive contact.MrFurious - September 4, 2007
At least they
tied it up.sue369 - September 4, 2007
why does Kendall keep starting...
it sure doesn't appear to help the pitchers on most days. If he doesn't hit lights out, where is the positive. Do we have Barrett part two?Bring back Koyie!! It's at least fun to say!!
MrFurious - September 4, 2007
why does Kendall keep starting
Uhhh...prob. because Lou LIKES him starting....ya think?
Maybe you should apply for Lou's job, and then when you're the manager you can call up your buddy Hill and start him.
In the meantime, the Kendall / Blanco combo works just fine in the big picture.
Bluelou - September 4, 2007
Uh yeah...
lookin' good there BlueLou. Say, you Lou apologist you, any lucid arguments? Or are you so far up his behind that you should spell it "BlewLou". At least that would explain something.MrFurious - September 4, 2007
Al's young son
reads this site and Al is not going to be happy with that kind of comment posted in here. Please watch what you post.sue369 - September 4, 2007
I have never used one obscenity.
Not one...ever. Not everyone even would understand the post. Geez. Below the mendoza line, however, may be true. Sorry.MrFurious - September 4, 2007
I have never used one obscenity.
Does BEING obscene count?Bluelou - September 4, 2007
IT'S CALLED THE MENDOZA LINE.
Look it up!cwyers - September 4, 2007
Watching this team
try to score 4 or more runs in a game can be like pulling teeth.cubsbak - September 4, 2007
Penny has 66 pitches thru 4 innings
and Grady Little's still managing LA. The Cubs have a decent shot.CubFaninCA - September 4, 2007
I'll bet Trachsel's
loving not pitching in the AL East anymore. C'mon Steve!!cubsbak - September 4, 2007
ron sounds pretty lucid today
n/tcervantes05 - September 4, 2007
Come on Steve
one more out.sue369 - September 4, 2007
damn
sue369 - September 4, 2007
God damnit
you still suck SteveDC Cubbie - September 4, 2007
Another pitcher makes us pay!
Saratoga - September 4, 2007
Traschel fricking sucks
why did we pick this piece of garbage up, the Cubs D has saved him ten runs.DC Cubbie - September 4, 2007
Um, I don't
think he's pitching all that badly.Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
And how do you come to that conclusion, exactly?
Not to be a Debbie Downer, but Trachsel has done nothing but let the guys behind him make him look mediocre. Guys like Rich Hill may not have his "maturity," or "crafty veteran make-sportswriters-break-out-their-thesaurus" appeal, but he can actually fool a hitter now and again. Trachsel is last in strikeouts in almost any measure in the majors.And now, tonight, he's given up three runs in five innings. How is this "not doing badly?"
cwyers - September 4, 2007
If he holds the Dodgers in the sixth
that's considered a "quality start."Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
That doesn't mean he's pitched well.
It just means that the defense behind him has bailed him out.cwyers - September 4, 2007
Not every time
What, one stellar defensive play the whole game?Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
he's better than marshall's
2 innings and 5 runs.CubFaninCA - September 4, 2007
pinch hitter
for Trachsel?blueapple - September 4, 2007
God willing
DC Cubbie - September 4, 2007
Ther damn running at will
Tracshel is too damn slow with his delivery and forget kendall throwing.Rithor - September 4, 2007
i hate to not be upset about this
but isn't three runs through five sorta what we expected out of trachsel. he's the kinda guy that gives up some runs, but keeps you in the game. i'd much rather have a consistent guy like this, than a guy that can blow up like Zdogcatratcheese - September 4, 2007
Soriano
DONT SWING AT THE FIRST PITCH!thank you.
blueapple - September 4, 2007
More hacking from Fonz
how he ever gets one over the plate is beyond me. Why throw him a strike?CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
Why didnt he lift Trachsel
5 innings is enough theres plenty of pitching help in the pen WTF is Pinella doing!Rithor - September 4, 2007
he's actually looked pretty good
cubs2234 - September 4, 2007
7 hits,3 runs thru 5 innings to one of the worst
offenses in the league, I guess our definition of good is much differant.DC Cubbie - September 4, 2007
for a fifth starter?
i'll take that any day of the weekcubs2234 - September 4, 2007
Should have pinch hit
Murton or FontenotCubFaninCA - September 4, 2007
lol!
n/tcubsbak - September 4, 2007
I keep doing this...
...and it keeps being relevant, so here goes.Mike Fontenot:
June: .397/.422/.679
July: .211/.269/.211
August: .208/.323/.302
Mike Fontenot is not very good at hitting. He never has been. His batting average on balls in play in June was .424, which was almost entirely based on luck.
Oh, and his stats as a pinch hitter? .231/.333/.308.
cwyers - September 4, 2007
He's not very good
at playing defense either.And I'm pretty sure CubFaninCA's post was meant as a joke.
cubsbak - September 4, 2007
It's tough to win games
when the offense can't score 4 or 5 runs on a consistent basis. So frustrating.cubsbak - September 4, 2007
7 pitch inning for Penny
4 to Theriot. Great patience guys.CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
can we score 4
gonna have to, at least.MrFurious - September 4, 2007
It seems to happen
about every 3rd or 4th game. Let's hope this is our lucky night!cubsbak - September 4, 2007
Patience, grasshoppers
Good things come to those who wait.And who's waited more than us?
Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
Oh my god
that is a ginormous bullpen.cubs2234 - September 4, 2007
Nice work Steve!
3 runs in 6 innings. I'll take that from my 5th starter any day of the week. Now the offense has to get in gear!cubsbak - September 4, 2007
And Trachsel
Turns in a quality start.Now, it's up to the offense.
Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
Everyone check out this diary...
Looking Back At an Early Season LamentGood peice of writing, so comment it. Also check out mine, it's the third comment let me know what you think...
LilLPLancer23 - September 4, 2007
welp, better than what
marshall would have provided.... too bad he had to face penny.CubFaninCA - September 4, 2007
never to early to yell
LET'S GET SOME RUNS!cervantes05 - September 4, 2007
LET'S GET SOME RUNS
cubs2234 - September 4, 2007
Come on Ramirez
do something.sue369 - September 4, 2007
and he did.......
woohoosue369 - September 4, 2007
man, Ramirez scares me running
That was too close.CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
YEAH DARYL!
HEY HEY!cubs2234 - September 4, 2007
that way DW, move him to the three spot
DC Cubbie - September 4, 2007
Wow
Aggressive send.cubsbak - September 4, 2007
three pitches
three men on base!!!Mr Snrub - September 4, 2007
come on JJ
DC Cubbie - September 4, 2007
Just got home
and get greeted with this.Nice.
I really don't like these evening meetings.
phat
phatass - September 4, 2007
c'mon Jacque!
CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
why no PR here?
...could be the game surprised didn't put Pie in when WArd was on 2nd...coulda scored.DP's are killing us this week so far vs. LAD dammit.
writerinwrigley - September 4, 2007
DP AGAIN!?!
gr. . . .cervantes05 - September 4, 2007
drat
CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
DAMN IT!!!!!!!
DC Cubbie - September 4, 2007
Rats.
It's only one run now, though.phat
phatass - September 4, 2007
Got one back, though
Patience.Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
Rant on:
Why the hell do you ever slide into first? In this case he would have probably been out anyway, but why slow yourself down and chance getting hurt? Rant off...LT - September 4, 2007
As the Washington Wizards play by play announcer
Steve Buchantz would say, "DAGGERRRR!!!!"sorry bulls fans. go wiz.
cubs2234 - September 4, 2007
stupid slide into first, c'mon JJ
DC Cubbie - September 4, 2007
we all could see this happen
so why not Lou? why not send DRose to stay outta the DP?Yeah, I know he strikes out alot.
CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
sac fly
do the cubs have any?roscoevillage - September 4, 2007
why pull Trachsel after 82 pitches?
CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
So he sucked before
and now people are complaining because he's out of the game.This team can't please anybody.
Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
I don't know what I like better...
reading the complaints about this cruddy team, or reading NBF's complaints about the complaints about this cruddy team.santoswoodenlegs - September 4, 2007
Yep
If somebody said they should pull him, he would have said the opposite....LT - September 4, 2007
Because we have 38 relievers...
...and some of them have to pitch at some time or they're going to get bench rot?cwyers - September 4, 2007
Double Play # 74
Oh for a lousy sac fly.Rithor - September 4, 2007
ugh
sue369 - September 4, 2007
Subbing Pie for Ward last inning...
...keeps looking better and better and better.cwyers - September 4, 2007
Too early for that
You want Ward's bat up there late, if you can. He can change the game with one swing.Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
I dunno....
I like Ward but from hitting, baserunning and defense Ward is a liability in the last two. I think you try to make hay when you can, then you also have a much better defender in the last third of the game.jck - September 4, 2007
nice work Kerry
DC Cubbie - September 4, 2007
come on, kerry
let's keep it close!Mr Snrub - September 4, 2007
Mopup
Wood is a mopup guy at this stage of his career. Period. No reason he should be in a close game. At all.krummy12 - September 4, 2007
completely agree
he gets hit up for a couple runs when he comes into close game.DC Cubbie - September 4, 2007
That foul ball...
gave me bad chillsAndHart120 - September 4, 2007
As soon as we get close this happens.
jac - September 4, 2007
for this we pulled Trachsel?
Lou did a Ned Yost there. No reason to pull him after 82 pitches and the bottom of the order coming up.CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
btw, i haven't been listening during breaks...
they're not playing those seattle sutton ads, are they? man, those get old...cervantes05 - September 4, 2007
Russel Branyan off the scrap heap
hits a HR for the RedBirds on an 0-2 pitch.6-2.
CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
Could someone pull our pitchers aside...
...and inform them that Juan Pierre is not very good at hitting? Maybe Jones or Murton could go out there and give them some details.cwyers - September 4, 2007
that might take the cake
as the most ridiculous post i've ever read. sorry mandogcatratcheese - September 4, 2007
He's got a .673 OPS.
That's, uh, astounding mediocre for an outfielder.cwyers - September 4, 2007
But on the other hand...
he's fast and wears a uniform 3 sizes too big. Too bad he's not really short, then he'd have the Eckstein trifecta!santoswoodenlegs - September 4, 2007
get off the mound Wood!!!
DLee should have needed to field that ballDC Cubbie - September 4, 2007
Ohman is up.
That's not good.sue369 - September 4, 2007
Will Ohmans up in the bullpen
I feel soooo much better.jac - September 4, 2007
This is looking more and more like 2004
Scott Downs anyone?CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
You're not really comparing
Scott Downs with Brad Penny, are you?If so, you're showing a lot of ignorance.
Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
Yeah...
that's like comparing our Cubs to a playoff caliber team.santoswoodenlegs - September 4, 2007
No, obviously not.
That was worse, because they were beat by awful pitchers. What I'm comparing is the crushing plays like the bunt singles, and the hits and RBIs by the opposing pitchers. Bad fundamentals.CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
It wasn't that obvious
We'll see what happens here the last three innings.Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
bad game by Lou
should not have brought Wood in, and 3 double plays should tell him he needs to get the runners started .DC Cubbie - September 4, 2007
Cub Killers
Are there two other ex-Cubs that have absolutely killed the Cubs over the entire course of their careers more than Luis Gonzalez and Juan Pierre? Including, and especially when they were actually Cubs, these guys have consistently hurt them. Gonzalez in Houston and now in LA and Pierre in Florida and now LA. And as I said, both were awful, or worse, in their stints in Chicago. And now that I think of it, add Jeff Blauser to the mix.krummy12 - September 4, 2007
Gonzalez in Houston?
you mean Arizona?CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
No
Gonzalez murdered the Cubs while playing for the Astros. He kept it up in Arizona but scorched them in Houston well before he juiced up in Arizona.krummy12 - September 5, 2007
Even if the Cubs lose
I'd like to see them score 4 runs in a game. Sort of like a moral victory.cubsbak - September 4, 2007
Again, I ask:
why did Lou pull Trachsel?CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
Say Goodnight Gracie
Rithor - September 4, 2007
Tough to be optimistic the way we are playing.
We will break out of this offensive slump sooner or later and start to score some runs. That will solve a lot of our problems. Hopefully!!Saratoga - September 4, 2007
Woods making me nervous
jac - September 4, 2007
this whole frickin team deserves to be booed
except for DWard.DC Cubbie - September 4, 2007
Yep, just like making a big trade...
...for Scott Linebrink. Thanks, Kerry Wood.cwyers - September 4, 2007
great
voice....
blueapple - September 4, 2007
How sad is this.
Not as sad as my inability to stop following them. God this hurts.MrFurious - September 4, 2007
Baseball Inequality
Zach Johnson's 7th inning > Kerry Wood's 7th inningGoat Whisperer - September 4, 2007
come on fonteee
Mr Snrub - September 4, 2007
Mike Fontenot up to pinch hit!
Someone stab me, please.cwyers - September 4, 2007
after a walk, Sori 1st pitch swinging?
DC Cubbie - September 4, 2007
My money is on "yes."
CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
I guess I was wrong.
good for Fonz.CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
re: Sori
Only if it's in the same zip code.Goat Whisperer - September 4, 2007
was that a strike?
CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
bring your cajun brother home.
please.Mr Snrub - September 4, 2007
2nd pitch
I guess Fonzie waited until the second pitch to pop out.cubbie71 - September 4, 2007
way to make Penny work there
hacking away after the walk. That'll win games for you......CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
This team
can't score. 2 or 3 runs a game just doesn't win many baseball games.cubsbak - September 4, 2007
Soooooooo...
...is now a bad time to mention how much I hate that Heiniken commercial?cwyers - September 4, 2007
O.K. - we now know that
the three top teams in the West are better than the Cubs.The three top teams in the East are better than the Cubs.
And the team is a stones throw away from losing their grip on "First Place" in the Comedy Central.
What would they be exaclty winning IF they lose their way into the Division crown?
TheEman - September 4, 2007
They would be the 2006 STL Cardinals.
MrFurious - September 4, 2007
But the St. Louis Cardinals 2006
Had Carpenter and Pujols.What else do you need?
TheEman - September 4, 2007
Where is everyone yelling at the negative posters?
Sure were out in droves earlier. I wasn't even being negative. Sheesh.MrFurious - September 4, 2007
Ohman in, ballgame
DC Cubbie - September 4, 2007
Is that barking I hear?
sue369 - September 4, 2007
Maybe they're just all sick of you
and your ilk.You all should love nights like this.
Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
Hey, now...
Why lump me in there? Do your research. I am in neither extreme camp. I am not a basher. I am not a rose colored glass wearer either. Patience...MrFurious - September 4, 2007
You are a middle-of-the-roader
Patience, indeed ...Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
I will take that, I guess...
is there any way to be that doesn't result in mockery from one base or the other. And...just so we are straight, a Middle of the Roader is not a fair weather fan. I like to think of it as being a realist. Not an optimist, not a pessimist. Just a realist.MrFurious - September 4, 2007
I am not a basher
No....you're just obscene...Your above post proved it.
Bluelou - September 4, 2007
Sorry...
I genuinely am. I was becoming frustrated by the patronizing. The 1,2,3 inning (wink) error. The high and mighty arguments/comments with nothing to back them up (sticking with Kendall why? Because Lou likes it? Penetrating vision). Sadly, in the heat of the moment (can that exist in a bulletin board?) I came up with something nowhere near as witty as I originally thought. Still, no profanities were uttered, and only adults would understand it (especially if no one called attention to it). Either way...poor taste. Nuff said. I hope we come back (though...it doesn't look too good).MrFurious - September 4, 2007
The 1,2,3 inning (wink) error
If you would leave comments made to specific other people alone, you'd be better off.And since you obviously didn't GET ti, that "1-2-3 inning" thing was a friggin' JOKE!
Again - stay out of things that aren't directed to you and you'll be better served.
Bluelou - September 4, 2007
Ok...
I honestly thought that it was directed at me. If you go back up, it would be hard to argue that I shouldn't have assumed that it was directed at me. It directly followed a post mentioning that it wasn't 1,2,3. Either way...truce.MrFurious - September 4, 2007
Because Lou likes it? Penetrating vision
And because I state that I believe in Lou's ability to manage the team one HECK of a lot more than I do yours, is no reason to insult.And if you think you can do better, then that's why I suggested you apply for his job....
I mean...I'm sure you'd have a shot at it...
To use your own words: penetrating vision....
Not...
Bluelou - September 4, 2007
NOW....
I'm done venting.Bluelou - September 4, 2007
Well...you should have stopped a while ago then...
I am not a Lou Hater at all. But where is his genius in all of this. He has guided a team that the Trib (and some new owner) has committed over 400 million in guaranteed money to, to just over .500. In the weakest division in the majors. Even in this last post, you contribute nothing constructive. Where is your back up information? Gut feelings? Give me stats man. Give me history. Give me some defense. Just give me something. And also, any comment as to why I shouldn't have assumed that your earlier comment wasn't directed at me? Or are you just going to gloss over that and suggest that I apply to the Chicago Sun-Times?To paraphrase a wise man...Lame.
MrFurious - September 4, 2007
"And I'm Free..."
free Fallin'...Here I go tomorrow to plunk down my Visa card for Playoff tickets!
At least there is an option for a refund if they crap out.
TheEman - September 4, 2007
Schedule isn't favorable to the Cubs right now
They're playing a decent team and the Brewers and Cards are playing lower-division teams.Long way to go.
Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
At some point...
...this team's going to have to beat a team that doesn't suck or I don't exactly know what the point of this whole exercise is.cwyers - September 4, 2007
my god, ohman sucks.
he should be fired. meanwhile, these last couple of days make me want to puke.buckmulligan - September 4, 2007
in the refrigerator!
This ball game is over, the door is closed and the lights are out.And most likely this is the end of the season.
Ken Hubbs - September 4, 2007
I wsan't going to stir things up
But after this comment, I will:Idiot. Idiot, idiot, idiot.
Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
Bruce!
You promised!Take a breath, man!
No name calling...
TheEman - September 4, 2007
I apologize, Eman
But statements like that are infuriatingly dumb, don't you agree?Now, back to the game.
Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
i don't agree. those posts don't bother
me at all. let them vent. this is a disgusting ballgame and series.buckmulligan - September 4, 2007
The 'probably the end of the season' part
was intolerable.Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
why?
he doesn't know what he's talking about; it's just his current feel. personally, i'll reserve my predictions until the end of the cardinals series, though it'll probably still be too close to call.i know this: the cubs look pathetic, and it's kind of an important stretch. then again, can you really expect this team to go from the outhouse to the penthouse in one year?
buckmulligan - September 4, 2007
I agree...
with buck. If this isn't depressing then we don't care, or we are that desensitized.MrFurious - September 4, 2007
Yep. Agreed.
Let's just keep on the non-insult vibe.I fully sympathize that this is REALLY infuriating and frustrating.
Why can't the team turn it on and make a run??
AArrrggghhh!
TheEman - September 4, 2007
Really infuriating and frustrating,
Hi Eman, welcome to the wonderful world of being a Cubs fan!I defy anybody here to give me three good reasons why they still believe this team can win the Central.
No "I'm a positive person" or "I still believe" rubbish. I want good solid reasons.
Ken Hubbs - September 4, 2007
Because everybody else sucks more.
Seriously, it's not even that hard to figure out.cwyers - September 4, 2007
OK, here it is
Good pitchingGood managing
Good hitting (although it's been off and on lately)
Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
Nope, wrong, sorry
The Cardinals, maybe the Brewers, are winners, i.e., they rarely beat themselves. The Cubs are an industry of beating themselves, and being wacked by others.It looks like both the Brewers and Cards will win tonight and pick up a full game on the Cubs. Let's see where have I seen this before, oh yeah, 1969, 1971, 1984, 1989, 1998, 2003, 2004... gee you'd think the Cubs had a thing going with losing.
Ken Hubbs - September 4, 2007
I agree with you...
afterall....you know infuriatingly dumb better than anyone here.santoswoodenlegs - September 4, 2007
OK, the insults are even now
You happy? Can we continue here, please?Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
Thanks.
I'm sure you feel great about yourself.TheEman - September 4, 2007
So...will Valdez be running?
MrFurious - September 4, 2007
Don't start stirring things up Not Burce!
Things have been pretty quiet tonight.Saratoga - September 4, 2007
Gonzales single off of Ohman
"He left a pitch out over the plate" as Bob Brenly says.I don't seem to enjoy watching Ohman pitch.
Don't we have other pitchers?
zevkalman - September 4, 2007
Maybe Lou
is torturing this numbskull on purpose?TheEman - September 4, 2007
JJ should
have had that one.sue369 - September 4, 2007
Ward shoulda too
on that RBI 2B by LaRoche. That was an awful route to the ball.CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
come on
Ohman is hurt, u know . . . his lame ass excuse for sucking . . .leave him aloneCZ38 - September 4, 2007
aaaand
the infield is in......CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
Now Ohman is getting booed
So will he go off on the fans, too?Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
he can
but he'll have to apologize tomorowCZ38 - September 4, 2007
seriously what is Lou doidn bringing
this piece of shit in the game, we send EP down for being late but lets a guy who bashed the training staff om the radio back on the mound and so he can put another game out of reach.DC Cubbie - September 4, 2007
What did we learn from the recent Ohman outings?
Have we learned yet not to use Ohman ever, ever, ever again?zevkalman - September 4, 2007
that he should be fired
and it should be humiliating and disgraceful.buckmulligan - September 4, 2007
We said that about Eyre
and he turned it around. He was just wasted in a blowout yesterday.CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
OH - MAN
When Lou brought him in yesterday, someone commented that the game was out of reach -- we were down by four. Four runs to me is not out of reach. But Lou brings him in.I mentioned that bringing OH-MAN back was bad enough considering his lame comments about his supposed injury. Then he delays showing up at Iowa.
So what does Lou do? Bring his lame butt back here and instead of having him shine shoes, Lou puts him in. What does he do yesterday? Give up a hit to a left hander and allows two runs to score.
So what does Lou do? Bring him in again tonight when we are down by three. What does he do again? Allows more to score.
FOR CRYING OUT LOUD !!! STOP USING THIS BUM !!!
ceegeewow - September 4, 2007
.185 BA Ramon Martinez up to hit
bases clearing double anyone?do I hear Grand slam?
CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
looks like the five games with the cardinals
in the next week or so are probably going to tell the story. i'm guessing the games will be close. hopefully, we can sneak away with 3 or 4 wins.buckmulligan - September 4, 2007
We have agreed to not insult
each other! Posting your opinions are one thing - please let's not get into personal bashing.TheEman - September 4, 2007
Uh oh
I heard some boos. Looks like about 10 diaries will go up tomorrow lamenting the "good old days" before 2003 when Cub fans supposedly never booed.cubsbak - September 4, 2007
Ohman...
doesn't deserve to be booed. In fact, he doesn't deserve to be pitching at the ML level.Goat Whisperer - September 4, 2007
LOL!!
I have been saying this for months!!If he was not left handed, he would be selling DVD's at Blockbuster.
Oh-Man!
TheEman - September 4, 2007
he'd be running the vacuum.
buckmulligan - September 4, 2007
The way Lou looked that might be
the last time we ever Ohman in a game for a long timeDC Cubbie - September 4, 2007
re: The way Lou looked tonight...
Good.Goat Whisperer - September 4, 2007
This game definitely
has the feel of one that we have no chance of winning. They just really seem flat the last two nights. Keep this up and we will be in third place by Friday.qccub - September 4, 2007
Oh, man!
Just got home.Oh, man!
08Cubs - September 4, 2007
Uh oh.
phatphatass - September 4, 2007
Welcome to
the Cubs!cubsbak - September 4, 2007
Time to
call it a night. Better luck tomorrow.qccub - September 4, 2007
so how are all you kool aid drinkers tonight
ill give you the blind reality, this team is not that good, they are .500 or slightly above at best, they had one stretch in the year where they played out of there minds and it was against shitty, losing teams, so everyone built up that we were this quality team that would continue winning, first off the pitching has been solid lately besides z for the most part, we have 0 power to drive anyone in, if pitchers get lee and ramirez out they can basically coast through our lineup at will, if we do get into the playoffs and right now the way things are going it appears wed have the padres away for the first round, i would be very very intimidated the way we've played them and how damn good there pitching is, im a huge cubs fan and i dont "hate" the team, im just trying to give some reality into what we can expect this yearCubsBall2202 - September 4, 2007
Conjecture
not "reality."If it's so distressing, shut it off and come back tomorrow, if you want.
Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
It's one thing to boo Big Z...
...another to boo Will Ohman -- it's another thing entirely to boo a September callup making his major league debut in a bases loaded jam.cwyers - September 4, 2007
Yes..
and they are, in that order...Appropriate....
Long Overdue...
Not totally unexpected.
santoswoodenlegs - September 4, 2007
Why are all the ugly ones at home?
They deserve to be booed for what they put the fans through.CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
I think DLee is giving the rookie
some advice on how to hit into rally killing double plays.DC Cubbie - September 4, 2007
Bases loaded with nobody out...
we live for this.santoswoodenlegs - September 4, 2007
Good for Hart
That's good.phat
phatass - September 4, 2007
I kinda get the feeling that Lou...
...is pretty much conceeding this game.cwyers - September 4, 2007
Nice...
Nice job by the kid there. Keep it up.Goat Whisperer - September 4, 2007
That's gotta be weird
for Kendall and Hart. They just met.phat
phatass - September 4, 2007
Consenting adults...
who just met have done far weirder things...santoswoodenlegs - September 4, 2007
lol
funny stuff man, FUNNY STUFF!!!BigZ 4 Cy - September 4, 2007
If I didn't know better I'd almost think
Lou wasn't too eager to win this game. Really strange decisions...bringing in Ohman, bringing in a nervous rookie with bags loaded and no out. Well, Hart seems to have a lot of heart, so maybe this will be OK.zevkalman - September 4, 2007
I really wonder if Soriano bribes...
...all the third bases coaches in the league. What? Huh?cwyers - September 4, 2007
heh
phatphatass - September 4, 2007
One thing about Sori...
Don't run on him. What an arm.LT - September 4, 2007
Yeah
why does anybody run on that guy?phat
phatass - September 4, 2007
how bout a 5 spot?
little crooked number action.buckmulligan - September 4, 2007
Good job Hart and Soriano!
Saratoga - September 4, 2007
Nice way to get out of that jamb
for the kid.That could have been just terrifying.
phat
phatass - September 4, 2007
yep, nothing worse than being locked in.
buckmulligan - September 4, 2007
Kevin Hart...
... Standing O all the way from Spotsylvania, VA!Goat Whisperer - September 4, 2007
Maybe, just Maybe....
stranger things have happened guys. That inning swung the momentum.CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
Here's hoping
You never know, I guess.Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
When will they learn
that Soriano has a cannon throw?Rithor - September 4, 2007
Lets go Cubs!!!!
I'm tired of all this negative talk. I'm done with this site.jac - September 4, 2007
If only you should be tired of anything
you should be tired of our pathetic offense. If you are getting tired of reading genuine frustrations expressed by fans then please don't watch OhMan pitch as you may slit your wrists.cubsnlinux - September 4, 2007
Our offense has hear rumors of
five run innings, but doesn't believe they exist.DC Cubbie - September 4, 2007
Three...
- Good/Very Good Starting Pitching
- Very Good lineup (they must get it together, though)
- An excellent road team.
The converse to that: If someone can't come up with three, or believes the season to be over, why aren't they watching "Mr. 3000" reruns on HBO instead of following the game?Goat Whisperer - September 4, 2007
Um....no.
santoswoodenlegs - September 4, 2007
Really?
They've had good starting pitching for only two months? Seriously?Have you been watching some other team?
Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
very good starting pitching...yes
decent starting pitching...almost all yearYou call Z/Marquis/Marshall's efforts in August very good?
They HAVE THE TALENT to be very very good, but they lack the consistency (yeah Joe!) they need to carry the team with the Hot/Cold running offense.
santoswoodenlegs - September 4, 2007
Um?
Why don't you just go for the gold and call me a moron? It's cool if you disagree, but addressing others with "um" shows your maturity level.Goat Whisperer - September 4, 2007
Really?
The term UM is now an insult? Sheesh...I..ooops..is sheesh still okay?santoswoodenlegs - September 4, 2007
Yes,
it is. As is "sheesh".However, you did not use "UM" in its most insulting form: referring to the college in Ann Arbor, MI.
Goat Whisperer - September 4, 2007
well.
- starting pitching, one word: consistency. needed.
- lineup: very little patience. very few walks. very few homeruns. bad at the little things, bunts, sac flies, etc.
- pretty good on the road, not excellent.
in sum: they have a chance; they're competitive thanks to a crappy division; i'm satisfied. let's get lucky.buckmulligan - September 4, 2007
C'mon Cubs!
4 runs. That's all I ask for tonight. A win would be a bonus.cubsbak - September 4, 2007
Forget it
7 DP's in 2 games. That's ridiculous.cubsbak - September 4, 2007
What's up
with all the double plays?phat
phatass - September 4, 2007
poop.
GIDP: 4.CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
Lou, what the ?!?!
Why can't Lou get it? Ohman only pitches to lefties. What is so hard to get about that? After Ohman lost Gonzo to a base hit, he should never have faced Martin. It is just a lead off hit, the inning can still be saved by getting a righty in there. Then he compounds his mistake after Martin gets the double, by having Ohman walk Loney the lefty? You would have been better off walking Martin, and letting Ohman face Loney! Then, to bring in a rook in his first appearance as a big leaguer with the bases loaded? Wha...?californiachicagoan - September 4, 2007
POST GAME
No matter the outcome, I wish one media person would have the cahonies to ask Lou after the game why in the hell did he bring in Ohman?And I would hope that Lou would give a straight answer. I for one cannot even grasp a remote conscious thought as to why Ohman was brought in.
ceegeewow - September 4, 2007
And Please --
Don't tell me he came in to get the lefty our. Ohman hasn't got a lefty out since he grabbed his left one in the john.ceegeewow - September 4, 2007
Ohman's terribleness only cost us 1 run
It was Kerry Wood that put the game out of reach and killed momentum, as well as confidence with his inability to get outs.bloomerang - September 4, 2007
Pulling Trachsel was the problem
CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
The problem
is an offense that can't score more than 2 lousy runs. You won't win many games scoring that few.cubsbak - September 4, 2007
Bingo
Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
Bruce..
teams do not score 8 runs in all 162 games. You show a noticeable lack of baseball acumen.santoswoodenlegs - September 4, 2007
Who said eight runs a game?
I didn't.But more than two usually is necessary.
Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
Only One Run ??
That's the problem -- only one run. Each and every time -- only one run, only one hit.Wood didn't pitch on Monday, he did not crap on his team the way Ohman did, he didn't take the late plane or train to Iowa when he was sent there.
There is not one -- I repeat one -- redeeming quality about Ohman -- pitching or competitor wise. The guy does not deserve to be on this team and again I say -- why in the hell did the Cubs bring him back and then Lou use him in a situation where he failed miserably most of the season.
ceegeewow - September 4, 2007
I only have one question
ARE YOU READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL?!?!?!?!?!?!?!bloomerang - September 4, 2007
ARE YOU READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
DAAAAAAA Bearsss da bearsss da bearsss da bearsssBluelou - September 4, 2007
GO BEARS!!
Rithor - September 4, 2007
The bandwagoners can clear out now
That would be very, very welcome.And no jumping back on later.
Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
you really think there are a lot of cubfan
bandwagoners on here?i'm guessing most of us are diehards. i mean, i schedule my life around the games.
buckmulligan - September 4, 2007
I think there's a fair amount
judging from the comments I see here on a regular basis.They often show a lack of perspective and a lack of baseball acumen, IMHO.
I am no baseball sage by any stretch. Nor a Kool-Aid drinker. But I do know better than make "season's over" comments the first time the Cubs lose two in a row, if indeed that's how it works out tonight.
Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
you really don't
understand those comments? they are of the moment, reactionary. that's all. that's what happens when things are going bad and you have an immediate post dump like this site.buckmulligan - September 4, 2007
I understand it
but if you're going to post something for others to read, don't embarrass yourself. Like saying the game's over when there's six innings to go.Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
How 'bout now?
4 runs down with 3 out to go?santoswoodenlegs - September 4, 2007
Knock yourself out, santo. ...
Enjoy your misery. You seem to relish it.Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
With this team...
what else can you revel in?santoswoodenlegs - September 4, 2007
Not Bruce
Drowning his sorrows at the Manhole?BigFatZ - September 4, 2007
LOL...
you said manhole.santoswoodenlegs - September 4, 2007
i'm not really embarrassed,
and don't think the venters need to be.buckmulligan - September 4, 2007
We agree to disagree
But I guess that's the whole idea.Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
IMHO I observe an abundant amount
of baseball discernment.Rithor - September 4, 2007
Bruce thinks..
anyone who says something he thinks is ignorant must be a fair weather fan.santoswoodenlegs - September 4, 2007
You got that right, santoswoodenlegs
I've only been a Cub fan for 44 years, that should qualify as a "fair weathr fan" don't you think?Ken Hubbs - September 4, 2007
Time served is no measure of a fan Ken...
only your "baseball acumen" and "intelligent posting technique". Also ignoring bad baseball helps.santoswoodenlegs - September 4, 2007
HUH?
Was that a dig at me?Ken Hubbs - September 4, 2007
Nonsense!
Read NBF posts for this game thread.santoswoodenlegs - September 4, 2007
Whew, thanks Santo,
For a minute there I thought you were heading to the Dark Side.Ken Hubbs - September 4, 2007
excuse him, his posts lack intelligence
hes still got his cubbie blinders on, nothing bad can ever be said about the cubbies, they must be loved and supported till the end, this isn't a 9 year old youth team, they can be criticizedCubsBall2202 - September 4, 2007
I promised Eman
I'd lay off some of you, so I will.But if you knew what I was thinking right now, you wouldn't like it one damn bit.
Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
Unlike some of the Cubs...
I couldn't care less what you think or say about me. Fire away.santoswoodenlegs - September 4, 2007
Im sure your thinking that this team is still a
world series contender which they aren't because they are obviously perfectCubsBall2202 - September 4, 2007
this is pathetic.
the dodgers are a better club than us. thankfully, we're not in the nl west.buckmulligan - September 4, 2007
Infield in.....
Great.CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
I still think
that we may take this division. It isn't much of a regular season division. However, what happens after that? We can't really do much with the Mets, and the D'Backs have given us quite a bit of trouble, and the Dodgers are having their way with us.Now, this is what people said about the Cards last year and look what they did. They had some good relief pitching though, and some big bats. Our bats have gone away, and our pitching all around has proven shakey. I guess this is a team built to sneak into the post season. Even with that, I would love another playoff game at Wrigley, listening to Joe Buck and Tim McCarver felate each other, and whatever team the Cubs are playing.
bloomerang - September 4, 2007
This team can be so much better
thank you eyre/howry/dumpster/ohman for the shit you hacks pulled in the beginning of the year with your blown saves, we should be 5-6 games up if it weren't for them. BOOOOOOOOO!CubsBall2202 - September 4, 2007
Nice
This Hart kid's good.phat
phatass - September 4, 2007
They can
still win this.I'm not betting on it.
But they can.
phat
phatass - September 4, 2007
Can Saito pretend he is Dumpster in non save situa
Please?bloomerang - September 4, 2007
That was not expected.
phatphatass - September 4, 2007
That, however...
phatphatass - September 4, 2007
Then you need to watch more
Cubs Baseball.santoswoodenlegs - September 4, 2007
I was talking
about the walk from Saito.phat
phatass - September 4, 2007
8 DPs!!!!!
in 2 games!!!!!!!cubsbak - September 4, 2007
At least it was a DIFFERENT sort...
...of double play.cwyers - September 4, 2007
how appropriate
another GIDP. sorry, FIDP.CubFaninNY - September 4, 2007
ohh wow
a double play . . .CZ38 - September 4, 2007
Is that a record? 5 dp's
Saratoga - September 4, 2007
no way.
i'm not even sure of its the high this year.buckmulligan - September 4, 2007
wow, only one game ahead of st. louis.
and that team is terrible. disgusting. i think there's a pretty good chance that we're tied with the cardinals by the end of the night tomorrow. i have no idea what the brewers will do.buckmulligan - September 4, 2007
Is it OK to say the game is over now Bruce?
santoswoodenlegs - September 4, 2007
Not official until they turn the lights off!
Rithor - September 4, 2007
LMAO
cubsnlinux - September 4, 2007
Well, it is over
so I guess so.Maybe tomorrow you can declare it over before the first pitch.
Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
i declare it in jeopardy.
buckmulligan - September 4, 2007
Oh...
You fair weather fan you....har harMrFurious - September 4, 2007
Seems like
every game the Cubs have played against the Dodgers this season has been so damn frustrating.cubsbak - September 4, 2007
Today's cubs game is brought to you by...........
The number two. The way the cubs made outs today was two at a time. The cubs have 2 games left to try and get a split and salvage this mess. This entire game smelled like number two. And if tomorrow we don't win, we will be number two.adam316 - September 4, 2007
If we don't win the division...
What can we do to improve this team for next year?Saratoga - September 4, 2007
got to get these hitters to be more selective
and that includes soriano. maybe they should get a new hitting coach. i don't know, but they have to get more selective, and have to walk more.they also have to get better at 'situational hitting' areas, bunting, saccing, etc.
buckmulligan - September 4, 2007
Find a decent
Right Fielder!!!!! The production the Cubs have gotten out of right field, when factoring in defense, has been far and away the worst in the league.cubsbak - September 4, 2007
Oh Sure
Factor in defense whydoncha. Sometimes we need to remember that this site (with the utmost respect to Al, thanks for doing such a great job with it) is called BleedCubbieBlue. All of these posters fit that criteria (whether optimists or pessimists). LetsHugACubbieBear this site is not. I have had enough banter for one night. Dear God I hope that they can salvage at least one of these games. Yesterday I pointed out their record in series when they lose the first game. This doesn't look too good.MrFurious - September 4, 2007
Move down a level...
we have a lot of players who excel in AAA.santoswoodenlegs - September 4, 2007
I have the answer,
GET NEW OWNERSHIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Then get a General Manager that knows what he is doing.
Hire real baseball men to oversee the farm system and develop young players.
Have a real eye to eye talk with Lou. I would ask him this, if I owned the team: "Lou, are you satisfied with this team?" Then I ask him, "why," or "why not." His answer to those questions would determine whether or not he is the right manager for my team. I want winners, not excuse makers and whiners (e.g. "Whatya want me to do? Whatya want me to do? I'm doing the best I can."). I want a "Jim Leland," a "Terry Francona," yes, even a "Tony LaRussa."
No more excuses, we either get this ship moving forward in a new direction or I fire the whole lot of em.
Ken Hubbs - September 4, 2007
Out of the 18 innings
the Cubs have played in this series 8 of them have been ruined by a double play. That's disgusting. What's the record for most double plays hit into in a game or in 2 games? It can't be much more than 5 and 8 can it?cubsbak - September 4, 2007
Lou
Just talked and he seemed pretty pissed. He said that we need to score more runs. He has been saying that quite often, but I wish he could tell us how he plans on making that happen, because that is the goal.adam316 - September 4, 2007
he said he's thinking about trying a speed lineup
i'm guessing that means an outfield of pie, soriano, and jones.buckmulligan - September 4, 2007
And I think he should do that
It might help the offense, and it also might help get some of these guys motivated again to get more hits. I think the turning point in this season when things got better was partly due to Lou making changes and keeping guys on their toes making sure they didn't lose their spot. I think we need more of that.adam316 - September 4, 2007
i also think he should try moving soriano
down in the lineup. maybe he should give lee a day off, play ward at first. line it up like this:theriot
pie
ramirez
ward
soriano
derosa
jones
kendall
buckmulligan - September 4, 2007
Ohman --
But I am sure no one asked him about Ohman -- why not?They ship Patterson back to the boonies for the rest of the season but bring Ohman back after he deficates on this team when he got shipped to Iowa.
Lou uses Ohman two days in a row and he accomplishes the same things he did before he was sent out. What pray tell did he accomplish before and now -- the answer my friend -- absolutely nothing.
ceegeewow - September 4, 2007
I really believe Lou
was letting him play to show him that he still isn't any good so that he doesn't have anything more to run his mouth about. I really don't think we will see Oh Man play but one or two more games the rest of the season if he's lucky. At least I hope.adam316 - September 4, 2007
NO MORE !!
We are trying to win this thing. I cannot really believe and I don't think you do either that Lou was trying to show Ohman anything by bringing him in. Bad judgement on Lou's part both yesterday and tonight to bring him in.And not any more games period -- maybe if someone in the grounds crew comes up lame, Ohman can help rake the infield.
ceegeewow - September 4, 2007
sunrise tomorrow
Lilly is due, Lets get a W, this my friends will go to the last weekend.Johnny Callison was a Cub - September 4, 2007
I really hope you're wrong about
the weekend thing.phat
phatass - September 4, 2007
I can't disagree
But the season already has been declared over buy some very knowledgable fans, so bear in mind you'll be the target of a lot of abuse.Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
Maybe being a little optimistic
But I really don't think anyone can say that the season is over just because of two bad games. Yesterdays mess probably hurt the team, but they can come back. We are still in first place, and I don't see why we should ever lose that spot the rest of the season. Even if we do move down to second or third, that is only a margin of a few games, so I say it is close no matter what, but you can't count the Cubs out of it this year.adam316 - September 4, 2007
You're being realistic
and you shouldn't feel guilty about it, just because some others here are pessimistic to the point of sticking a loaded gun in their mouths.Last time I checked, there are 25-something games left in the season.
And, oh, the Cubs are in first place.
Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
Favorable pitching matchup tomorrow
Marquis versus Lowe is huge on thrs.. Fortunately, this is the best team the Cubs will face the rest of the way. Fortunately, there will be lots of games with Pittsburgh, Cincy and Florida.CubFaninCA - September 4, 2007
Man - I don't know abt. this
I have seen DLOWE pitch against the Cubs twice in LA.He has an unbelievable sinker when he's on.
Ground-ball City!
I really wouldn't think this game is close to a lock...
He can be a beast.
TheEman - September 4, 2007
A couple weeks ago...
I said "This is going to be a bloodbath." By that I meant the end of this season was going to be up for grabs between 3 teams battling it out. Additionally, I realized it was going to be really taxing emotionally. I wasn't wrong. This is going to be tough.We all have to hang in there. It's clearly not over. We would have killed to be in this position last year. It's gonna be good days and bad days for the next month. We might end up on top of this division. We might end up in third. We watch this stupid (amazing) game because we NEVER know what's going to happen.
ElvisCole - September 5, 2007
I know
one thing I am playing Ward in rightfield against righthanders.Johnny Callison was a Cub - September 4, 2007
Well - maybe when they go
on the road, without the "booing distractions", they'll just concentrate on baseball and play up to their potential.I like Lou. I really do - we're still 30 games ahead in the standings from last year, right.
But - he REALLY has me scratchin' my head sometimes.
The Oh-Man! bullshit? Pulling Trachsel? Why?
It is time to give DLEE and a couple of the regulars a blow, imo.
TheEman - September 4, 2007
I think he was wanting
to give Ohman one more shot. I'd be surprised if you saw him again in a crucial situation.Lou said afterward he's considering using a speedy lineup. That wouldn't be a bad idea -- a little more small ball, as it were.
He's pushed all the right buttons so far -- well, almost all of them.
Let's just not freak out about all this. Lotta games left.
Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
the problem is you then have to play small ball...
and these cubbies will just keep swinging for the fences. if you're going to go fast, then you have to be willing and able to play 'small ball.' too bad we can just start a lineup full of theriots.buckmulligan - September 4, 2007
The Shot
If Lou wanted to give him one more shot -- he missed. Maybe he meant he wanted to shoot him one more time to make sure he wouldn't come back.Lou -- for all of our sake -- STOP USING OHMAN !!!
ceegeewow - September 4, 2007
Why Is It?
The Cards get Branyan -- a barely useful player they need because of Rolen and Encarnacion injuries.We get Monroe -- a barely useful player.
Monroe has done nothing since we picked him up. What does Branyan do? Smack a homer in the first game he plays for the Deadbirds.
Why oh why can't we just once pick up someone that comes through when we need it. Our everyday players have not come through in the clutch since I can't remember when. Our pitchers throw supposed quality starts but not the type of starts that we need to win games. Five double plays -- why not five at bats where one of our guys drives in a run -- or God forbid -- two runs.
Everyone on this site is frustrated -- because we have the players who should be and are good enough to beat out the Brewhahs and the Deadbirds.
But these guys need to produce -- it's getting late. As a friend of mine once said -- I saw the light at the end of the tunnel but someone up and broke it.
ceegeewow - September 4, 2007
So that clutch homer by Lee the other day
was a figment of my imagination?Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
Clutch Homer --
The Cubs need more than one clutch homer and hitting in the clutch doesn't always mean the go ahead homer. It means getting a hit with a man on base to tie the game, getting a hit to put the game out of reach, productive hits. When a team is getting 9 and 10 hits a game with a few walks thrown in and are scoring 3 or fewer runs on a consistent basis -- like we have been -- there isn't a hell of a lot of clutch hitting happening.ceegeewow - September 4, 2007
Off Current Game Topic, but
whatever happened to Lou's experiment with Soriano hitting in the 5-spot against lefties? If I remember correctly, he tried it during a Saturday national telecast, and the team put together a good offensive game.Goat Whisperer - September 4, 2007
they won...though soriano
went like 0-20 or something.buckmulligan - September 4, 2007
Would anyone care..
if Soriano hit .180 the rest of the year if we started winning? Besides him of course.santoswoodenlegs - September 4, 2007
0-8, I believe
TheEman - September 4, 2007
Here's an idea:
Stop clogging up the bases!! If no one's on base, you can't hit into a double play, right??Itchy - September 4, 2007
Are we really getting outscored 17-5?
By the freakin' Dodgers?Mapmaker - September 4, 2007
Lou has nothing to lose...
By moving Soriano down and Theriot back to the top. They're not scoring anyway.Mapmaker - September 4, 2007
Yeah, except for the part...
...where Theriot has been slumping for nearly the past month now. He's been hitting like Koyie Hill for the past week.cwyers - September 4, 2007
wow, did you see the crowd or lack of it
in milwaukee? unreal, they had about 8,000 people there. whew.buckmulligan - September 4, 2007
There's very little
smart baseball being played. Not a typical Lou Piniella-led effort. Swinging at first pitches after walks. Swinging for the fences. Trying to pull the ball in opposite-field situations. Letting mistakes affect play long after they were committed.It's extremely frustrating and is probably more so to Lou. It's probably getting close to "turning over the post-game buffet" time.
Goat Whisperer - September 4, 2007
Z set the tone for this series
and they havent recovered. They had Penny on the ropes in the first inning and let him off with the first of 5 DP's.This team needs a kick in the ass.
JB 23 - September 4, 2007
The Cubs could do worse
than put Pie in center and move Jones to right, at least against righties. They don't seem to be getting production from right field no matter who they put out there. At least they'd be solid defensively with Pie and Jones.cubsbak - September 4, 2007
Things that might help the cubs tomorrw:
-Blanco at the plate. The Dodgers have to much speed for Kendal to throw out. Even though they are going to love Lilly tomorrow.-Faster outfield. they were rounding the bases all over Ward.
AND NO MORE DOUBLE PLAYS!!!!!!
ryan797 - September 4, 2007
As pissed off
as I am about losing two (actually five) in a row to the Do-yers (gotta live in LA to understand)....at least there is a reason to keep watching here in September...I gotta keep reminding myself of that.airweino - September 4, 2007
Manager's Uniforms
600+ posts and no one mentioned Connie Mack? He looked spiffy without a pullover or Majestic (R) jersey!DaveinHouston - September 4, 2007
Fading away
Since Aug 1Cubs 14-18 4 under last 10 4-6
MLW 15-19 7 under last 10 5-5
STL 18-13 5 OVER last 10 7-3
If this keeps up, the Cubs and the Brewers are just handing the division to the Cards. I said 2 months ago they were going to be there competing at the end. They lose players for the season, yet still win.
We are technically in the race. For how much more, I can't say. All I know is this team has lost all spark after that come from behind win the other day. Can't figure out how they can be so strong one day and then not show up for a few. I guess it's fatigue and trying to get normal career stats from guys that are not producing this year. It's pretty sad when your hacking leadoff man leads the team in HR's. I could have bet my house if someone said that Lee and Rammy wouldn't hit 20 dingers each by now. The pitching's been a pleasant surprise this year. If we had an offense to show up more than 2 days a week, we'd be pulling away. I am very frustrated that this team is where they want to be at this point of the season and they lay egg after egg.
BigJohnAZ - September 4, 2007
Holy Moses
We're in first place and we have people posting stuff like "technically we're in the race, but for how much more I can't say."And "lost all spark" after a game two days ago. TWO DAYS AGO!!
You know what this is? It's called a DIVISIONAL RACE. Stuff like this fluctuates all the time, day to day.
Forget about Z manning up. Maybe some of you need to do the same thing.
Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
Because...
If the Cubs do collapse, they are the ones who want to be able to say "I told you so. I knew this would happen."Ross - September 4, 2007
Give them some credit, at least.
They won't want to say "I told you so," but they'll be more than happy to.phat
phatass - September 5, 2007
Saying "I Told You So"
with regards to a team not winning the World Series takes zero mental prowess. Even making the World Series.In my lifetime, if I had bet against the New York Yankees winning the pennant every year, being down-in-the-mouth about everything they did every single day of the season, I'd be a wealthy man. Miserable, but wealthy.
Goat Whisperer - September 5, 2007
Well sure
phatphatass - September 5, 2007
Pretty good analysis...
Except while the offense is still tanking...looks like the pitching is now fading fast down the stretch as well...Also...guys shouldn't be "striving for stats"...they should be striving to win.....
But agreed...any kind of consistent offense and the Cubs might be sitting on an insurmountable lead at this point....or at least one that looks to evaporate away tomorrow and likely will have two teams to look up at this coming weekend....
And your TURD observation is a COMNPLETE INDICTMENT of Hendry...who can't find any WINNERS and Lou....who "makes the least* of his talent....
I completely disagree with the pathagorheea crao....BUT...that crap sez the Cubs should be leading this division by 6-0 games,,,,has 'em 10-12 above .500 and ht Brew about 7 under and the 'fen turds about 12 under.....
Shows that Tony the Drunk can get players to overachieve....I'd complain about overpaying...cept I believe the Car oopps.. I mean Turds actually have a bigger payroll than the Cubs....and thet Lou is leading the underachieving.....
I'm still looking for the manager rating article....but in it LaRussa had like a +12...Baker a +10...Lou is a like -5.......a plus means get team to overachieve...a minus is underachiever....BTW...y=this is over wentire career....
kcjones - September 4, 2007
Children, look carefully
See what happens when you drink and post?Ross - September 4, 2007
Sorry
MLW is 12-19 since Aug 1.BigJohnAZ - September 4, 2007
Still In First Place
If you'd told me on opening day we'd be in first place today, I would have taken it sight unseen.Learn and move forward. (And with some urgency, for crying out loud.)
08Cubs - September 4, 2007
Absolutely correct
n/tNot Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
Good call
I do have a worry though. Make that 2.We dont have anything scary. I know that sounds very sophomoric, but we dont have that one thing lurking. Think about the Brewers. They have Braun and Fielder lurking in the....whatever inning. Pujols lurking in the ninth. We dont have that. Daryl Ward has never lurked a day in his life. D Lee and Aramis are not lurking. Not to say they dont have punch, they do at times, but they do not strike fear in the hearts of anyone.
When I look at who is pitching for what team, I always hope we avoid (Fill in the blank). When we go to St Louis, I hope we dont face Wainwright. I hope that the Brewers arent pitching Sheets. We dont have that right now.
I heard some random caller on the WGN postgame saying we have no heart. Well, I do not think that, we dont have any (Fill in the Blank). When your ace is a mental case, and your lead-off hitter has the team lead in HR with 20, and by the way 48RBI's, no one is afraid of you. Whether we as Cubs fans want to believe that means anything or not, it does. MOXY! That is the word I have been searching for. A thumper in the middle that is in the back of the pitcher's mind all game. A starter in the rotation, everyone is dreading to face. No and No.
Do I think we will be standing on top at the end of the season? I pray everyday that is the case. It just took me until tonight to figure out that if we dont make it, I feel these are the reasons why.
Al, pardon my language, but I am about to use some possibly offensive language.
When I was 22, I had to walk into my first classroom as a teacher. I was scared to death and had no idea how I was going to do it. My boss told me that the "Big Dick" method was the only way. Walk in the room with a sense of ego and a "bad ass" mentality that is unmistaken. The Cubs are continuing to bring a knife to a gun fight, and until they start implementing my "method", fighting the good fight is not enough.
louslovechild - September 4, 2007
I think you'd be silly
not to be a little bit worried about Lee, Ramirez, Soriano or Jones if you were pitching to them.phat
phatass - September 5, 2007
the wrist slashers
are symptomatic of the world we live in. Everyone demands a resolution immediately, whether it's food, TV channel, info on the net, etc.. A short attention span is now the norm in our society. You see people whining about a single game result like it somehow defines an entire season. Talk about small sample size. You'll see other nuts struggle with the fact they can't control what they're watching, and desperately try to make predictions (that always end up wrong) based on various charts to somehow try and comprehend a game they sadly can't grasp. Pathetic really. Some think that the saying "it's a marathon, not a sprint" is a cliche. It isn't. People that think that way don't really understand it's 162 games, often played for weeks straight at a time. By guys that are tired. Guys that know a single mistake could swing a game either way. Managed by men who sometimes are masters of this game of chess or amateurs in over their heads. I still still feel as confident about this team as I did from day 1. And I was at the game tonight and it simply was one of the numerous games you see in a season where more guys on our team had a bad night than a good one. That's the way it goes sometimes.The fact is nobody knows for sure what is going to happen. That is the beauty of the game. If you don't understand that, then you really shouldn't be along for the ride.
Matt Allison - September 4, 2007
I agree 100 percent
And you put it in words better than I ever could.Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
I have to respond to this
A "bad night"!!! How bout a bad century!Look, all of us are Cub fans here and we don't need to be constantly taking swings at one another, although I guess it is kind of like a family. We can criticize our own brother, sister, father, or mother, but anyone else try the same thing and they get beaten. Any Cardinals fan comes in here and dumps on the Cubs gets it from me.
However, having said that, I for one thought that Sunday's game was a preview of things to come. OK, they lost a stinker yesterday, move on and start anew today. But, what do they do? They decide to be the "Cubs" those hilariious "lovable losers" who just can't seem to get it done. And Lou's decision making does leave a lot to be desired. I wanted more fire out of that guy and were not getting it. I go back to my original post a few days ago that really got some of you in a lather - The Cubs will finish third, maybe second if they are real lucky, and end another, as they have for the past 99 years, lousy season.
They can't help themselves, they are the Cubs.
If this were the Cardinals, Dodgers, Mets, Phillies, Houston, even Pittsburgh, I think the vast majority of us would not be "gloom and doom," but this team has proven nothing, and until they do, I, and many others here, will remain skeptical.
Ken Hubbs - September 5, 2007
Then why do you follow the team?
If you think there's nothing they can do to improve their lot, you should find another team to follow.Pittsburgh? Extrapolating the last two games over the next 25-26? Maybe you really ARE a troll.
Not Bruce Froemming - September 5, 2007
I am in no way a wrist slasher
I don't post a hell of a lot so none of you can really tell my intent. I have been a Cubs fan for 40 years and based on past performance and how this team seems to let the big chances slip away, I simply put up some numbers and opinions. If this team was in the playoff hunt 8 out of 10 years, then call me that. 5 times in the last 62???? Do you wonder why most of us feel this year will pass us by?? AGAIN??? Did I ever tell you I was a Blackhawks fan, too? lolPositives-yes, many. They can play small ball to the point of excluding big ball. Pitching staff Good enoughish. Clutch hitting, sporadic at best. Bullpen has improved greatly from the bad start. a Enough to win it all? Don't know. Have to get to the post season first. I predicted a tad over .500 this year and actually looked towards next year as the year. This year was to Un-Dusty-fy the team and get a couple players that will make a difference. If anyone can make the most out of this team, it's Lou. No question there.
I want nothing better than to have the Cubs make the post season and make a good run at the prize this year. Believe me, I understand the game and the ride we call the pennant race.
Sure, tomorrow they could come out and win 12-3 and the smiles will be on all our faces for a day. All I posted was how it was slipping away. I know they are tired. So are the Brewers and Cards. But they seem to be beating the also rans, we are not. At least not lately.
BigJohnAZ - September 5, 2007
bullroar.
Only the wrist slashers post this crap about a team that stunk the first 2 months of the season and then fought back to now be in first.The fact is that way too many people project their negative view about life in general on to the Cubs.
Matt Allison - September 5, 2007
If you consider my post a wrist slasher
you really haven't read this blog this season. I didn't call any players names or say it's over. We can do it. AT THIS POINT IN TIME the numbers and performance on the field does not relate. I am not trying to set myself up for an "I told you so". I took a snapshot of the las 30+ games and compared the 3 teams involved. You need to relax.BigJohnAZ - September 5, 2007
HE! HE! HE!
OK, tell me Matt, how many pennants have the Cubs won in the last 40 years, the last 50 years, the last 60 years? Tap! Tap! Tap!, hello anybody there???And World Series? well we better not go there.
How about divisional championships? Ah, yes there it is one in 2003. But the Cubs being the Cubs (and up 3-1 over the Marlins), they lose the pennant the same year. Also, up 2-0 in 1984 NLCS against the Padres, lose 2, then with Mr. Cy Young on the man (Rick Sutcliffe), and a 3-0 lead going into the 6th, Leon Durham lets one go through his knees and they lose 6-3.
Do us all a favor and spare us the lecture about how "negative" we are about this team. They are negative, not us. We have supported them for many a year and they stink it up every year one way or another. They need to prove to us they are worthy of hope, not support, but hope.
I have already posted countless times about what needs to happen to turn this franchise around. Will it happen? All depends on the supposed sale of the team and who will own it in 2008.
Oh, and by the way to the other poster who said, "Pittsburgh??" How many World Series has Pittsburgh won in the past 40 years?
2, thats right, 2. And they were extremely competitive in the early 90's. They have proven they can turn it around. That was my point.
Ken Hubbs - September 5, 2007
And the Pirates haven't had a winning season
in 16 years.Sorry, Eman, but I think even you would support me on this one:
Idiot.
Not Bruce Froemming - September 5, 2007
I can't pass this one up
So, the Pirates haven't had a winning record in 16 years, huh?I would advise you to have a clue next time you want to post. The Pirates had records of 95-67 in 1990; 98-64 in 1991; 96-66 in 1992. Their losing started in 1993 after losing Bonds. Not quite 16 years ol buddy.
Nevertheless, I'll take 15 or 14 years of losing records in exchange for a couple of World Series victories any day!!!!
So, who's the idiot here?
By the way, anyone who can't post a rational argument, without behaving like a child, doesn't belong on this site.
I know, I broke my vow to never respond to your nonsense, but I couldn't pass this up. Now back to my vow.
Ken Hubbs - September 5, 2007
OK ,15 years
Citing the Pirates as a franchise that has "proven it can turn it around" is so stupid it's an insult to stupid people.And you're right, anybody who can't post a rational argument shouldn't be on this site.
Time for you to go.
Not Bruce Froemming - September 5, 2007
Where to begin?
The Dodgers are an "also-ran"? Last time I checked, they had roughly the same record as the Cubs and still were in contention in the NL West and wild card.You also said we are "technically" still in the race, the implication being that they're as much in the race as, say, the Pirates are. Well, technically, the Pirates still are in the race. Think they'll make it? Me, neither. And I've got news for you: Even if the Cubs do fall a game or two back, they're STILL in the race.
What a bunch of losers. Not necessarily the Cubs, but a healthy percentage of the fans who follow them.
Not Bruce Froemming - September 5, 2007
Managers...
...I wish they were allowed to dress like Connie Mack and forgo the baseball unis altogether.If a manager wants to wear a uniform, fine but allow them to dress as they please, unless they are player managers.
DrCrawdad - September 4, 2007
* Extra Extra...*...
BCB is for Rah rah support from hear on....No more honest analysis....
Zambrano and Jones can't take it....
If you aren't cheering the Cubs on....DON'T POST...
kcjones - September 4, 2007
There is a middle ground
between rah-rah support and glooming and dooming it after every stinking loss.Find it.
Not Bruce Froemming - September 4, 2007
Funny
that you called this a stinking loss. How appropriate lol You are more doom and gloom than you think. Freudian slips tell much.Sure, I posted a little gloom, I also post some cheer at times, and I did give them their props in a following post. I feel I am more middle of the road than you give me credit for. I also don't jump on and off the bandwagon. I have watched them and attended games my whole life. I went to one game when they were here a week or so ago. I root for them at the exclusion of my new "home" team. Even some of the "rah rahs" would agree with some of what I said. I didn't lie or say anything that wasn't true.
BigJohnAZ - September 5, 2007
'True'?
True according to whom?You posted a lot of worst-case-scenario hypotheses and passed these off like you were Nostradamus.
I don't know what's going to happen. I'm going to sit here and find out. I still think this team has what it takes to win the division.
Last I checked, there wasn't one game left in the season. Or two. Or even one series.
There are 25 games left for a team that still is in FIRST PLACE in the division. Enjoy it.
Not Bruce Froemming - September 5, 2007
I posted the team records from Aug 1 on
and that was true. In my haste of listing some also ran teams we lose to, I inadvertently included included the Buns because they were on my mind. Sorry about that. I also did not prophesize the outcome, merely stated the numbers indicate that first place is slipping away.BigJohnAZ - September 5, 2007
You need to too....
I didn't post yesterday......and I don't think I posted all Astro Series.........I've actually been pretty quiet since mid june...save Met's meltdown and sweep by astros....Yes...a team isn't going top win all 162....BUT needs to win nearly 2/3 to be a true contender...
And I put out blistering criticism after regretable games where I think a little TEAM effort may have made a difference......
This team continues to squander golden opportunities to run away with this division...
IMHO...somebody is going to mak'em pay......
kcjones - September 5, 2007
So you basically admit
you only post after losses. Nice.Not Bruce Froemming - September 5, 2007
Never said that
n/tBigJohnAZ - September 5, 2007
But when you run
into a super model to start your day, I thought nothing would go wrong the rest of the day!As my road trip continues, I visited a particular radio station at 228 N. Michigan Ave. Upon leaving, I noticed Tyra Banks and her entourage in the building's lobby.
Now, I thought that was going to be a good omen.
SuperModel -- Super Game that night.
(I think Al is blaming this on my visit to the bleachers.....)
But it was a quality start by Steve Trachsel.
And, the poster who's pining after Russell Branyan....please, wake up. So he hit a home run. Big deal. The Cards would only be his...third team this year? He's a stiff. Trachsel will prove to be the best waiver deal by the time this season ends.
San Diego Smooth Jazz Man - September 4, 2007
Maybe other supermodels would have been better.
phatphatass - September 5, 2007
Honestly,
I think we're in deep crap. We can't score. Plain and simple. This doesn't even look close to a team that can win a series much less rattle off a semi-decent win streak. I never thought I'd say this, but the 5 game battle with the Cards might just save our hide. If we can somehow, by some blue moon muster up say...four wins that series, we could do some damage to the standings. Without that, I'm afraid we're screwed. You can say "We're still in first", but thats like saying after you jump off the Sears Tower and fall for three feet "I'm still alive"...yeah, not for long.TCobb1911 - September 5, 2007
As Van Halen would say
Jump ... go ahead and jump.Not Bruce Froemming - September 5, 2007
Steady, Steady
Keep in mind (as has been said a million times), "the baseball season is a marathon, not a sprint", so, while we can all see the finish line -- a lot of baseball has yet to be played by our 2007 Cubs. Enjoy the ride.wrigley1 - September 5, 2007
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