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Open Thread: Cubs vs. Royals, Tuesday 3/18, 3:05 CT

SCOTTSDALE, Arizona -- Not a cloud in the sky this morning, so the brief weather interregnum -- which made it partly cloudy and coolish the last two days -- seems to be over. Today, it will be sunny and 74 with light winds, a perfect day to resume the spring schedule.

Notes from today:

Royals lefthander John Bale faces Jason Marquis, who is making his fourth spring start. You can hear it via the Royals radio station or MLB.TV at the MLB.com Mediacenter.

MLB.com Gameday

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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MLB.TV

Will this video feed have Royals announcers, or generic ones from MLB.TV? Maybe it will just have a webcam pointed at the field, and we can supply our own PBP...

Probably generic announcers.

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It's supposed to be on CSN...

... so does that mean we get decent announcers? Or does the game just not air as planned?

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/schedule/broadcast.jsp?c_id=chc

Gameday

audio has Royals announcers it sounds like. This is my first year with gameday audio, do we get to choose which broadcasters we want to listen to during the regular season?

Yes we do.

That's not the case with MLB.TV, sadly.

CSN just ran a ticker that said "Cubs at 3pm today on CSN"

It appears to be starting now.

Odds are pretty good

that Wood will pitch today, correct?

I think he will...

... that would make sense, since he threw on Friday and Sunday. That would then set him up to go in one of the split squad games tomorrow, which would be 3 of 4 days and 4 of 6, which is a typical load for a closer.

it is so hard for me...

to watch Kerry. I very much want to see him succeed but I get the feeling I'm going to hold my breath everytime he comes into a game this year. Watching him blow that 98mph heater by people up and in has been the highlight of my spring thusfar.

I'm also worried

about his walk totals. I know he hasn't given any free passes in ST, but stats don't lie. He can be wild.

Wood

will pitch tomorrow and the next day, back-to-back test. then best closer in the nl

Mariotti

The guy seems to just take the unpopular view and make it his own. It's fine once in a while, but when you do that EVERY time you right or editorialize, you lose credibility, of which he has none.

I was on the Marmol for Closer campaign trail, but I'm starting to believe Woody will do great, and Marmol can get another year setting up.

Mariotti is a blathering idiot

The guy is the ultimate pessimist and hasn't written anything worthwhile or original in years. He claims to be a Cubs fan but all he does is bash them every chance he gets. How does this guy still have a job. I used to like watching Around the Horn but Mariotti is on the show too much and makes it a complete debacle.

Mariotti

...the fact that thousands of sports fans around the country watch ATH and associate Mariotti with the typical Chicago fan is a supreme embarrassment.

Yep

It is too bad because he is always negative but the problem for me is it is hard not to read his articles. Everyone here dislikes him but most of us obviously still read.

I dislike

Mariotti as well. His negative approach has always annoyed me and I really started to dislike him when I watched ATH. I was always a Woody Paige fan for some reason. I think he was more entertaining. The one thing about Mariotti's articles that annoys me the most are his constant pop culture analogies/metaphors. Comparing sports to Britney Spears, etc. is idiotic and annoys that sports fan who couldn't give two _____ts about Britney or any other pop culture figure for that matter. Give me some stats to support your position, I can do without silly metaphors. (Man, that soap box caught me by surprise, sorry)

Lahey...

... I have asked this before, and I thought that was an alternative - send Lahey back to the Twins, get $25K, and then get him back from the Twins as the PTBNL and send him to AAA.

What's with clearing waivers, though?

Should the Cubs keep Tim Lahey, who was claimed during the winter in the Rule 5 draft and has been impressive this spring? If they don't, they will lose him because he would not clear waivers. He will either make the team or be used as trade bait.

This is what everyone seems to keep missing...

to return him to the Twins requires that you put him on OUTRIGHT waivers first. There is no way you can put this guy out there after his spring, and he not get claimed. I doubt you'd even make it past the Nationals before he was picked up.

Are you sure about this?

Maybe there's a "gentleman's agreement" between GM's that this can/will be done. Teams do it all the time.

Plus, I thought returning Rule 5 picks was done WITHOUT having to clear waivers. Where did that quotebox come from?

I hope you're kidding...

If you think that you can stick a minimum salary, major league ready reliever, coming off a great spring on the waiver wire, and he not get claimed. Those kind of gentlemen are long gone, I assure you.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/s/transanctionsprimer.html

"A player drafted onto a Major League roster in the Rule 5 draft must remain in the majors (on the 25-man active roster or the DL) for all of the subsequent season, or the drafting club must attempt to return him to his original club. However, since a returned Rule 5 player must first be placed on outright waivers, a third club could claim the player off waivers. But of course, that club would then also have to keep him in the majors all season, or offer him back to his original club."

It sounds

like, if Lahey's worth it, he's on the 25-man, no further questions. He better be worth it though, because I'd much rather see Hart out there. If we can just push Marquis out, then everything could fall into place perfectly.

Well..there is a small piece of verbiage...

about trade scenarios included, so there might be a sliver of a chance. But between the league office (I can hear the Brewers crying foul from downtown Chicago), and Lahey likely worth more than anyone that Hendry was given on the trade candidate list from the Twins on that Monroe deal, Al is making ALOT of assumptions about this guy.

I think the bottom line is...

... that the part that says "the claiming club would have to keep him on their roster all year", keeps most teams from making such claims.

Lahey

My understanding is that if there was a trade like this, basically before the Cubs would offer Lahey back to the Twins, they'd make the trade, giving the Cubs his rights. So instead of offering him back to the Twins, they'd basically be offering him back to themselves. The waivers thing is confusing... I've never seen players sent back to their original team go through the waiver process.

But as for Lahey, a trade of this sort requires the Twins to be willing. If the Cubs are so high on Lahey its possible that the Twins are, too and would prefer to have him back. They're a team that's rebuilding so he'd be a possible bullpen piece for he future.

DmL

Sox getting Roberts

Would actually be funny.

re: Sox getting Roberts

It definitely would. In fact, "BRob" ending up with the Sux would be a fittingly twisted conclusion to this whole prolonged, nightmarish ordeal.

I Think I Would Vomit

re: Sox getting Roberts

Miniscule grains of salt in any insinuations on Roberts trade, given the constant media cycle, but the interesting text is "They reportedly are looking at veteran middle infielders." Does that mean that an unsatisfactory Cubs middle infielder (see, Ronny Cedeno) pushed the Orioles' considerations in another direction?

im with you

i think i would just laugh out loud if that happened

no way

i would cry. It would be Pau Gasol all over again. Offering alot of talented prospects to the O's for him just to have another team with NO farm system left come up with a trade.

How many more...

...preseason games are left? I'm getting tired of the same old same old. As a dual Cubs-Royals fan, I hope today's game ends in a 10-10 tie---with only our AAA pitchers getting knocked around. - TL

Pretty sure

there's a game every day till the 29th, then one final off/travel day, and then OD.

Plus one extra game

being a split squad game tomorrow, when the Cubs play an All-Bay Area split squad DH against the Giants and As.

Click it.

Cubs spring training schedule: http://mlb.mlb.com/spring_training/schedule.jsp?c_id=chc

Site support question: Has anyone else tried using the "link" button yet? I just did and my link didn't show up on the preview screen, so I just copy & pasted the URL. Am I missing something?

Okay, seems to be working fine for me

Click the link button, type the website address, and then you need to type text in after it. If you don't want to make everything else you type into the link, add a < / a > (remove the spaces) after the link text.

Test.

Test.

Crikey, you're right. I tried putting the text before it but not after. Thanks!

Also...

You can create the link text, highlight it, then press the link button to add the website to it.

Lets see... 22 hits last time

Should we go for 30 today?

The Sun Times'

editorial board should be ashamed. There's such an obvious conflict of interest in their unapologetically negative "reporting" of the sale of Wrigley Field. And this is not to mention the pompous moralizing tone of these pieces.

Although, I guess this is what should we expect from a paper that continues to employ Jay the Jerk.

The great philosopher

Homer Simpson summed up Jay's point very succinctly: "Trying is the first step towards failure."

longtime reader first time writer

I feel bad that Mariotti is inspiring me to write my first post, but I don't understand the logic. He's basically saying what? That Wood shouldn't pitch because he might blow out his arm? Why should anyone play then? Everyone risks injury getting on the field. If he's capable, let him take care of business until he can't.

Agreed

If it's going to happen, it's going to happen. Also, since Wood takes a while to get warm, the closer spot is the best one for him, since you can plan around the ninth inning far easier than specific setup situations.

This much we know...

The Cubs are going to get a right-handed hitting option to help out in centerfield. And they have to do SOMETHING with Jason Marquis short of having him go kicking and screaming into the bullpen where he will waste a valuable spot.

How about this???? Jason Marquis, Matt Murton and a subscription to Vineline for Marlon Byrd??? Okay, we'll have to also throw in several million dollars to get Texas to maybe bite.

While it makes me sad, I am absolutely convinced that Brian Roberts is on the verge of becoming a Cub. So maybe a Roberts and Payton deal "solves" a lot of these issues. Though why on earth would Baltimore want to eat the contract of Marquis without additional enticement??

"why on earth would Baltimore want to eat the contract of Marquis..."

Because Steve Trachsel might be their opening day starter? I think the Orioles need ML pitching, and more than just Sean Gallagher.

It hurts, to be sure...

but when it comes to rebuilding, get ugly early. If you want to do it right, dump everyone who is making more than 3 million a year, get what prospects you can, and use the cash to pay over slot if needed for the next couple of drafts.

So, Traschel it is.

Trachsel...

Because Steve Trachsel might be their opening day starter?

I read that the other day, and immediately went into sympathy spasms for my Oriole friends here in VA.

Marquis and Baltimore

Baltimore is in serious rebuilding mode. If they're going to be awful there are much cheaper options then adding Jason Marquis and his $16.5 million due to the equation. The world is awash with Steve Trachsel like options that are dramatically cheaper.

Yeah

The question you asked was "why would they want to eat the contract", but I answered a different question: "why would they take Marquis". I don't think they want to eat the contract but they might want to take him if the Cubs eat enough of it.

Baltimore doesn't want Marquis.

But, he might be valuable to another team, like the Angels, who suddenly need pitching.

That is what I thought to

To shed Marquis the Cubs are going to eat some cash. How much remains to be seen.

Eating Cash?

For the innings-eater that Marquis is, he actually is quite inexpensive (relatively). I could see a Willits for Marquis deal being a good one for each side.

Mariotti is a tool

Nothing changes with this guy....same crap new topic

field

i enjoyed seeing the pictures when the field was being redone and it got me thinking, has there been any news on the field? Did the grass "take" like it was planned and has the drainage system been working properly?

The grass looks

kind of dull at this point. (See webcam shot here.) Hopefully it comes to life along with the Cubs on March 31st.

"Mariotti is a tool"

I couldn't agree more. The Cubs could win ten in a row, and he will give them a few compliments, then they will lose one, and he will write about how bad they are and what is wrong with them.

By the way Al, love the new format.

Isn't the game on CSN today as well?

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re: Isn't the game on CSN today as well?

That's a good question. My cable box says there is an MLB game on CSN at 3pm Central today -- but it's the Chicago White Sox vs. the Kansas City Royals. So I go to the White Sox Web site (ooh, that stings), and it says the Sox are playing the Padres today. Wherein lies the truth?

I had a similiar problem this past Thursday, when I was actually home to watch the game. Both the Cubs and CSN's Web sites said the game was televised, but the game didn't show up on my cable box "guide" and, indeed, it was not on. Maddening.

It's showing it's on CSN on Cubs.com, so I guess time will tell. It's got a Bulls Game on right now.

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/schedule/broadcast.jsp?c_id=chc

CSN just ran a ticker that said "Cubs at 3pm today on CSN"

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Unbelievable.

The game was televised, and I was working from home today, so I could've watched it. Unfortunately, I had to be somewhere at 3:15 and I just got home and now my daughter has claimed the TV, so I'm gonna miss the whole thing. Unbelievable.

Mea culpa.

The game was scheduled on CSN. Most likely they will replay it tonight -- check CSN this evening. I missed this. Sorry.

Next televised game is Friday vs. the Rockies in Tucson -- on ESPN2.

Wow

This is such a bad parallel that I can't even begin to believe he would go there:

But do I trust the story line? Oh, about as much as Aramis Ramirez with a fighting rooster or Eliot Spitzer with free time on his hands.

Is he honestly comparing the two as being similar? Ramirez partaking in legal cockfighting in his own country compared to a married governor hiring prostitutes?

If someone tugged his ear I bet the sound of hissing air would deafen you. Kind of like a balloon that you tried to tie up and the knot slipped on it, but instead of just air the air would smell like a week old fart.

Mariotti is a drama queen

I'm with Canadia Cubs Fan on the Mariotti. It's like Mariotti picks the headline that will bring him the most attentoin rather then writing what he really thinks. I compare him to Senator Spector. Spector seems to have taken on the NFL to get popular like Mitchell. To get his name out there, not really having any personal reason to pursue. Same with Mariotti. Always throwing out his opinion not to inform but to get a reaction that will put him in the public eye.

The most bothersome

thing of many about Mariotti is that we keep talking about him. It's difficult not to, I agree, especially because his opinion is in the spotlight that is MSM. But y'know what? With very few exceptions, I don't read or put any weight into anything these MSMorons say and pretend to think (for it is obvious that Mr. Rogers and Co. do not think). Do any of us?

Frankly, I read the blogs, especially ours here, for the most honest, thoughtful opinions and insights into Cubdom. We have several great writers and pundits ourselves, and we cover just about every angle possible, no? And we have Mr. Miles to lend us a bit of MSM street cred, along with Al's own accomplishments. Screw Mariotti and his ilk. He just makes us look a whole lot better. It's only a matter of time before his type is extinct. Maybe we should view his antics as the last gasps of a dying breed, a captive of the Sun-Times, no less .

I can almost feel sorry for him. Almost, I said.

speaking of tools....

Joe Morgan!

I don't know

if there is a baseball commentator that I turn the sound off to more. And forgive my if I am getting this wrong, but isn't he a Sandberg hater? I remember hearing (somewhere) that he is actively trying to keep Ryno out of the Hall, or something like that.

Someone please inform me better on this!

You got part of that wrong

what part?

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The part where Morgan is actively trying to keep Ryno out.

Seeing as he's already in :-)

gotcha, thanx

Santo

I've heard Morgan talk smack about Ronny. Something to the likes of, "look at his stats, they just aren't there".

To be fair

I don't think so. I think he supports Santo. They were from the same era, which helps explain it. Morgan didn't like Ryno challenging his position as (one of) the greatest modern second basemen. He's not threatened the same way by Santo.

Maybe.

Morgan's never come out and said he didn't vote for Santo (a la Mike Schmidt in 2005), but every year when the veteran' committee fails to elect anyone, Morgan always has some Orwellian snippet about how "the sportswriters voted for 15 years and they didn't get in, why should we let them in?" (Let's not even bother to parse the faulty logic in that one...), or how the veteran's committee "isn't going to lower [it's] standards." I have officially posted the bullshit flag on any comment from Joe Morgan concerning these matters.

Morgan hates Santo

Always has. To be fair, Ron Santo was not a well-liked player during his playing days. His antics and cockiness rubbed some teammates and a lot of opponents the wrong way. The "clicking of the heels" episode was symbolic of why a lot of people around the game disliked him.

To be fair,

it's not "The Hall of Popularity," nor the "Hall of Good Sportsmanship;" it's the Hall of Fame, and, ostensibly, if you have the numbers, you should get in. Santo's got the numbers, and he should be in. This business about him being "not well-liked" is a total red herring and just a weak apologetic for the veteran's committee's stubborn refusal to let anyone into their precious fraternity.

Of course

Joe never seemed to have a problem with Pete Rose, who was even cockier and had even bigger antics (running to first base on a walk, for example). Calling him "Charlie Hustle" was not meant as a compliment.

Just goes to show that when your friends do something, it's just Pete (or whomever) being Pete. When someone you don't know does it, they need to cut it out.

It's not just Joe who thinks that way, but he's got a vote in the Hall, so it matters here.

I could be wrong

but I have a fuzzy memory of him grudgingly supporting Ronnie during a Cubs broadcast last year.

He simply remarked

that Santo was long overdue for proper recognition, or some such obtuseness. Everything he's had to say on the matter is just so much doublespeak.

This all...

... is borderline ridiculous. I dislike Joe Morgan as much as the next person but we don't need to make up stuff. He's come out and publicly said that Santo belongs in the Hall. Nothing "grudgingly" or "doublespeak". He's said he supports Santo for the Hall and there's no reason to believe that he's being disingenuous.

There are plenty of things Morgan has said and done for people to dislike him. This isn't one of them.

DmL

I'm gonna need a link,

if I'm going to be called a liar. I didn't make any of this up. Where and when did Morgan state that Santo? Here's my proof:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/saraceno/2007-02-28-santo_x.htm

http://www.goatriders.org/archives/2007/03/on_chicago_politics_and_r.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/27/AR2007022701482.html

Please, indicate what, exactly, I "made up" and please provide proof of Morgan's explicit endorsement of Santo's Hall candidacy.

I'm fairly indifferent on the matter...

however, I have to say:

"We're being blamed because something hasn't happened," Hall member and vice chairman Joe Morgan said. "If you're asking me, 'Do we lower our standards to get more people in?' my answer would be no."

speaks volumes.

Morgan

He's come out and said that last time he voted for ten people.

He's come out and said that he supports Santo's candidacy. He's said that he voted for Santo last time out. Beyond that I'm not sure what anyone wants. Blame Morgan for a lot of stuff but I think its ridiculous when people want to gauge how strongly or weakly Morgan has been in endorsing Santo.

DmL

Where?

When?

Link, buddy. Hard, cold facts. You called me a liar. I showed my sources. Show me yours.

There were 27 people

on that ballot. He voted for ten. Proves zilch. Next.

Heh, do you mean

physically? I can just see Joe Morgan standing crouching in front of the Hall's doors, or maybe hiding in the lobby, ready to bum-rush Ryno next time he comes in.

I think Ryno could take him. And, objectively speaking, Ryno was the better secondbaseman.

Standing

or crouching, even. Yeesh.

That is an entertaining thought

but no, not physically, more that he continually focuses negatively on Ryno's skills and performance as a second baseman. And will say negative things about him on the air.

Morgan

Other than the fact that he's inarticulate, arrogant and sanctimonious, Morgan's just fine . . . .

ROTFLMAO

So true. Not to mention that once or twice, he's just told blatant lies about his playing career, on the air.

And

He doesn't seem to care how to correctly pronounce player's names. (he always seemed to screw up Grudzielanek)

lou on the radio

saying that hes going to stick with todays lineup for a while, no more experementing, if the roster stays as it is this is the opening day lineup.

Lineups announced?

n/t

Bruce Miles probably

hasn't activated his SBN 2.0 account yet. Maybe there was another Bruce Miles at Viva El Birdos who claimed his user name!

FYI...

... Bruce HAS claimed his account. He emailed me this morning to let me know that the Herald gave him a couple of days off.

He'll be back Thursday.

it was same one we've been hearing i think

1. theriot
2. soriano
3. dlee
4. aramis
5. dome
6. derosa
7. soto
8. pie

i honestly only heard the first five though.

this is correct according to the box score

which was just posted at http://mlb.mlb.com/news/boxscore.jsp?gid=2008_03_18_kcamlb_chnmlb_1

Yeah,

lineup? Is Bruce around?

Rule 5

Clay Rapada was the PTBNL, so another trade would still need to be made to keep him.

rapada

went to detriot

gameday

not working again?

The lineup

I'm tellin' folks the fact that Sweet Lou is sticking with this lineup is precursor to Brian Roberts becoming a Cub. Piniella is getting a jump start on getting Alfonso Soriano comfortable in the # 2 hole.

I don't want Brian Roberts, but I am now 100% officially convinced his arrival in Mesa is imminent. He'll be brining along Jay Payton on the airplane ride.

why again?

someone remind me why we want jay payton and his horrid ba and obp?

I was actually thinking the same thing

when I saw that lou had moved soriano down. Personally I kinda like the suggestion Rosenbloom had (never thought id say that) of hitting fukudome 2 and soriano 5.

I think we'd all prefer Fuku at 2 and Sori at 5

If those were our two options.

I'm indifferent about

Roberts. That's part of the reason I've been quiet all these weeks of discussion, argumentation, etc. But Payton I'm not so indifferent about. I DO NOT want Jay Payton on our team. I just don't think he's got anything to contribute that we don't already have at much less cost. And I don't want some veteran to be here pushing/pressuring Pie further to perform or else. I want Pie to be given a better opportunity than that. Let's remember, he's only 23. We should give him this season, or at very least the first 3 months (assuming the rest of the team is performing reasonably as expected).

Jay Payton

Two things at work here...

1. Baltimore is anxious to dump Payton and his remaining 1 year, roughly $5 million salary. I think Andy McPhail will insist that the Cubs take Payton off their hands as part of any deal for Roberts.

2. The Cubs clearly need a right-handed hitting outfield option who can play in CF. Felix Pie has never hit left-handed pitching very well. Payton can serve as platoon mate and decent short-term insurance policy should Pie crash and burn.

Payton wouldn't bring anything that the Cubs don't have?

Who again do the Cubs have to hit against lefties in CF?

No one, as of now

Unless Payton is the dealbreaker for Roberts...

I would have Fukudome play CF against LHP and put ---gasp--- DeRosa in RF.

Not going to happen Shecky

and then who

plays second base?

I know, I know:

if Fukodome

plays anything other than RF this year I'll be shocked.

Pie

I'd rather hit Pie against lefties than get Payton in here. Seriously. Without seeing Pie's splits, I wouldn't say to just let him struggle with lefties 100% of the time, but I do believe that too often too much is made of the whole righty vs. lefty thing.

And why is moving Fukudome into CF occassionally such a far fetched idea? He's not a glass figurine out there in RF. He's a professional athlete.

agreed, this convinces me roberts is coming

i see no other reason to put theriot leadoff and sori in the two hole. however, shouldnt this change your opinion of the roberts trade? this would mean a. we get a bonafide leadoff hitter, and b. soriano is now in a much better position to drive in runs.

Unless you suscribe to the theory...

that moving him anywhere in the lineup besides lead off will immediately cause him to forget how to play baseball.

Gameday link?

It doesn't seem to be working, Al-San! Anyone have the link?

it is now

yeah, I saw.

let's go cubs!

Len and Bob are on the air!

No generic announcers, great.

The game is on CSN

n/t

Yeah!!

Len and Bob!

Stuck at work... in Denver

any PBP would be appreciated, thanks!

Gameday Audio question

So I went ahead and popped for MLB Gameday Audio this year and I tried to play it during Sunday's game but it was horribly out of sync with the TV broadcast. Like 30-45 seconds behind

Is it always like that?

Well, you can drive yourself crazy

trying to sync them up. Due to network delay, the audio feed will gradually fall behind, but then you can re-start it. Another thing to do is make sure the buffer in your media player is set to something low like 5 or 0 seconds.

Thanks

I've got a DVR so I'll find some way to get them together.

I have Game Day audio

but my work has it filtered out so I can not access it.

Phooey!!

Proxy Servers are your answer

http://www.youhide.com/

Easy as cake

ugh

Not a good start for Marquis

Typical second half start...

for him...it is the second half of ST isn't it?

Yeah...

Hopefully he won't be around for the second half of the regular season... or the first half.

Marquis

He's either ticketed for the DL with phantom injury or the bullpen. Unless of course Hendry can find a sucker to take him off our hands. Regardless, I could care less how he pitches in this game. It's the other guys I care about.

well that didnt take long

1-0 royals after a leadoff triple and grounball out

wow, Gameday hasn't even started yet.

It just makes me love Dempster even more.

Teahan on 2nd, 2 outs

Jason's sinker is "up"...

just like his ERA will be after this start.

Nice to see the Cubs on CSN

but I want them at Wrigley already. October was so long ago.

The next two weeks cant go by fast enough.

Aghhh yes

Marquis gives up a run here come the haters. I love the overreacting.

At least

some things haven't changed since SBN 2.0, eh?

I think most people here

disliked Marquis before that run, myself included

I'm not a fan of

Marquis either. But it is remarkable how quick to react so many of us are when a game is going.

a-freakin men.

Replace him!

I'd like to think...

that I'm pretty consistent. Even if he went out and threw 7 shutout innings today, I wouldn't want him on this team. His track record speaks for itself.

Will you be happy...

if Lou "under-reacts" and Marquis is 1-5 after the first month of the season? Don't get me wrong, I think Marquis has value, but he hasn't shown the ability to ever put together several strong performances in a row. It's like flipping a coin with him.

Honestly,

I don't think I'd give him 50/50 changes. At this point, I expect him to suck, and surprised when he doesn't. Combine that with his craptastic attitude...

btm of 1st

Theriot strikes out looking at a curve.

Soriano flies out

Lee broken bat grounder to third. 3out

Program note

Ron Santo will be subbing for Bob Brenly on the TV broadcast on Monday. Should be interesting...

top 2nd

Maier strike out
Tupman and Pena both walked
Bale struck out on a foul bunt. 2 out 2 on.

ground out to second

3 out

Gameday SUCKS!

It is totally stalled out!

Yeah...

Nice....

now a pic of ARAm who is still at bat?

I'm wondering...did Cubs Club last year but I can't remember where I accessed the game day audio from. I thought it sent me to mlb.com. Now apparently I'll be charged again for Cubs Club 08 but when I go to MLB to access the game day audio its telling me to sign up. Do you know where the Cub Club audio is accessed from? I just cant remember.

aram

ground out to 3rd

Kosuke

infield single toward first

so is it officially called

Ho Ho COM or Ho Ho KAM? I've heard it pronounced both ways.

see, now you've

made me think of Howard Johnson's, which we used to call HoJo's.

I wanna hot-fudge sundae. And it's all your fault! :P

I thought it was Ho Ko KAM.

derosa

rbi triple - Kosuke scores!! 1-1

Ah-And we want Roberts over Derosa

why???

Do the words...

All-Star 2nd baseman or effective lead off man mean anything to you? Just sayin'

to be more accurate

I think it's we want Roberts over Fontenot, Cintron, Fuld, or whoever the current 25th man on the roster is. It's a trickle-down effect that would make this club a lot stronger.

By your response

does that mean you wouldnt want DeRosa over Roberts if D-Ro struck out?

Boom...

goes the dynamite!

LMAAO!!

I totally forgot about that.

o/t

I was attending Ball State when that happened. It wasn't that big of a sensation on campus until the national media got a hold of the story. NO one watched that student news show, as we all knew it was a poorly run joke. I don't know what the guys up to now, either.

hmm

does anyone else find it weird that the IOWA cubs are in the PACIFIC COAST league?

Not really

Keeping in mind so are Omaha, Nashville, and Memphis just to name a few others. They've been in the PCL since the mid to late '90s when the American Association folded.

I was discussing the same thing yesterday. New Orleans is in the pacific league too. Not very creative with the league names.

There's a lot of history to the Pacific Coast League.

The name is mostly a remnant of the old days of the PCL, which was an Indie league out west, appropriately enough.

For a time, the NL and the AL opposed creating expansion teams out West, and so there was talk of the PCL becoming the third major league and joining MLB. It was mostly a ploy by those who favored expansion, but there it is.

good info. thanks

Well

the PCL hadn't been an independent league since the early 1930s, although there were some independent teams playing along side the farm clubs later than that. It's simply a minor league that pre-dated the creation of farm systems.

There is a lot of history to the PCL, but when the American Association and the PCL merged in 1998, it wasn't a merger of equals. It was more of a takeover of the AA by the PCL, and the PCL wasn't about to give up their name and the history that went with it.

The good news is that the Iowa Cubs now come out to the West Coast every other year.

I like the auto refresh here

but I think it would be better when it auto refreshes, it just had the new posts in yellow etc etc.

if you use the Z key to unmark as you read

then only the new incoming comments will be yellow.

And if all the yellow feels like too much pressure, just refresh the page to wipe it clean :)

Thanks!

Yes, Thank You indeed.

Carry on.

soto

strikes out
currently 3-2 on pie

pie

grounds out 3-1, 2 outs.
1-1 tie

Man...

if only Jay Payton could have had that 2 out RBI opportunity...

Ha!

He could've grounded out more forcefully!

gwood

double to left for Callaspo

Wow Marquis is a good pitcher!

flyout to center

1 out

Score peeps?

One out top of the 4th 1 to 1

Marquis is a good

fielder.

If in a 100 years

If In a 100 years some anthropologist found this blog they'd conclude we're all a bunch of nice people but we have this inordinate fear of a creature named Marquis.

Good perspective!

I like that.

dlee

strikes out looking.

Wow is he scuffling

the royals announcers

seem to be reading this post :). they echoed the opinions of most that Dlee's BA this spring means that he is still adjusting, or that he is due

And...

Scruffy... does he still have that beard?

Ah-And we want DLee over Hoffpauir

why???

defense for one

n/t

MAN

You beat me to this!!!
Very nice

Right

Let's release Lee a guy who's our best all around player and start a guy who's a career minor leaguer having a great spring.

Are you a Hendry plant to make him look like a genius?

Not positive

But I"m guessing Ballhawk was being facetious.

aw gee, lemon

you're never positive about anything! ;-)

yes, I was being very facetious and hopefully a little bit witty. SB 3.0 needs to have a sarcastic font feature.

I personally laughed out loud at your Hoffpauir comment.

Good one...

I just love how folks magnify every ST start, AB etc., and forget about what a player has or hasn't done over the last 5 years or so.

Who's magnifying what?

All I said was he was scuffling.

Awesome overreaction though.

wasn't referencing your comment...

...but one a little further up on the list.

I hope

I hope you are kidding.

But there will be idiots calling the Score demanding this tomorrow.

aram

pop out

kosuke

ground out to first

Wonder if Marquis pitches the 5th?

he's starting the 5th

well, that's better than

him taking the 5th...

probably should have

instead of making the comments he did earlier

dero

got 5 holed

uh...

what's that mean? (afraid to search google images)

sorry, hockey reference

the ball went between his legs. I'm not even a hockey player

ah.

well, he's up now, so he can redeem himself... :D

LOL

Ball went through his legs...

I'm afraid to even think about it.

He's thrown

over 60 pitches so far.

That's not too bad.

Not great, but not too bad.

runners

on first and second, 1 out. Teehan up

the old

3-6-1 double play.

Well, unless the Cubs are the Bears

Well Cubs are Bears....anyways.

If ST ended today, Marquis is the 5th starter, excuse on eof the 5 starters. He certainly CERTAINLY is earning it.

Actually if the Cubs are the Bears

That would mean every coach and every teammate knows Dempster is the better pitcher as does everyone who knows the game and will go with Dempster despite not having as good of a training camp.

Because every coach and player on the Bears knew Grossman was the better QB in 06.

Of course the comparison isn't really fair to Marquis because Marquis is facing the same level of competition that Dempster is while Griese played the 2nd through 4th string in the preseason.

Although you are right if you say Griese doesn't lose the Super Bowl. We don't get there with him.

I don't know....

I think people like Dempster as a person better, but as a pitcher? He hasn't started since what, 2001? At least with Marquis you know you'll get a solid 15 starts before All-Star break.... then not so much.

My response

My resonse was more about his Bears comparison.

The Bears listened to their heads not the fans and idiot media and stayed with Grossman and went to the Super Bowl.

Maybe Dempster will take us to the world series.

except he has started more recently

spring training, just a few weeks back.

He's doing pretty good, too.

Just sayin'.

Marquis is starting the 6th

with Eyre loosening up.

Stevie Eyre!?

Uh-oh.

Coming in already

after lead off hitter drove hard hit single

Hmph.

Hope Stevie has got his stuff wired tight today.

LOL

On the broadcast just now, you could hear a fan shout, "Come on, Stevie!"

LOL!

That's great!

Stevie Ire

is the proper way to say his name. That's what's on his glove.

5 IP in ST

Is probably equivalent to 7 IP in the regular season. I think the Cubs would like that out of their 5th starter. Dempster next start is huge for him. If he sucks it up again and Marquis doesn't get traded, I have to think Marquis would make the starting rotation.

i THINK

i THINK Hendry is probably dangling both Dempster and Marquis as trade bait and whoever is bit on first is gone.

so...

what's happening? GD is stalled... :P

top of sixth

two on (base hit off Marquis on 2nd) and walk by Eyre on 1st. 2 out (Pop out and line out.)

So what's left to look forward to in the game?

Wood isn't pitching today correct?

ground out to second

3 out

Nice to see Stevi Air

have a successful outing.

Cedeno

line drive single to lead of btm of 6th

Aaaannnnd we want Theriot

over Cedeno why?

There's

the sarcastic font we needed earlier :)

Gritty white-guy-ness

for one.

That's Sam Fuld's

biggest asset.

Two on

with no outs.

Game Day

thinks Marquis is batting...

theriot

bunt mishandled by the pitcher everyone safe. Ruled a single

Am I the only person that thinks...

...that right down the first base line was NOT where Theriot ment to push that bunt?

Ryan Theriot

also thinks that...

Eyre pitches well,

and Ronny gets a hit. The Apocalypse is upon us....

soriano

uncomfortable hitting with people on base, struck out.

Soriano doesn't strike out appreciably more...

...with men on base in front of him. (There is a slight increse, but it's not that significant.) He does walk quite a bit more with men on base in front of him, though.

dlee

grounder to third mishandled, got runner at second. 1st and 3rd, two out

Homerun for ARam

aram

homer!!!!!!!!!!!

w00t!

ARAM with the homer!!!!

How did you know that?

I just heard it on my gameday audio!

Watching the

game on CSN.

If there was a sarcastic icon here

Sue would've known you were being sarcastic and what you said was actually funny and she would've laughed out loud.

I've got a friend on IM

who's watching it on CSN...

my tv says it's Kansas vs. the White Sox

Is that Aram's

first HR? Do Sori and dlee have any?

Soriano hit one

on Sunday, didn't he?

Fukudome gets hit...

in the side of the head on a steal attempt. He looks OK..but EPatt is brought in to run for him.

jeez

he sure is taking a beating this week.

Fukudome...

...is lucky he didn't dislocate his ankle on that slide. Did you see his front foot catch and buckle under a bit? That was close to not being too good. I have seen that happen before and it isn't pretty.

Yeah..

that could have been Jason Kendall ugly...(shiver).

Len Kasper is my hero.

Talking about how you need to be able to steal bases at least 75% of the time to be effective. Awesome.

I can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic

We do need a sarcasm indicator.

I think he was serious.

Because he's right. If your SB% is less than 75 you might as well not bother.

Thanks.

That was the underlying question that I did not know -- whether or not 75 percent was a decent rate or not.

Soto has missed...

2 meatballs in a row. He's not happy with himself.

can you say wholesale changes

cedeno in at short
cintron at 3rd
hoffpauer at 1st
ePat somewhere in the outfield

As a matter of fact, yes:

"Wholesale changes".

Thanx

Kinda set that one up :)

Um...

you just "typed" it...that's not the same thing. Can you post a youtube clip of yourself acturally pronouncing the words please?

who...

who sail...
what sori..

mass substitutions.

Guessing EPat is in RF

fontenot

at second
koyie hill catching
and Lahey pitching

wow

I am seriously thinking we keep Marquis as number 5..

I agree...

Marquis starts the season well.

Just so you know

I'm still around and thus when they look at this board, as if anyone
would in a hundred years they will know that we aren't all nice people.
Some of us are grouchy old farts.

This board would be better with a browning and some lemurs cause The legend has come down from the Chippewas down 'bought the big
board they call Bleed Cubbie Blue.

OK...

Browning Shotgun

Lemurs

That definitely made things better!

I can't help but laugh when i see lemurs.

wow - a Gordon Lightfoot reference

now I've seen everything...

tie game

2-run rbi double, followed by another rbi double.

ground out to second

moved runner to third and then ground ball to cedeno scored run after cedeno off-line throw home. Royals lead 5-4

So they replace Lahey with Walrond?

Bad and badder.

Walrond coming in to pitch...

Un. Be. Leiveable. Maybe Lou thinks HE should be our 5th starter.

So, that's what an out looks like.

OK He stopped the bleeding.

The way I see it

Aram hit a walkoff hr and the game is now over.

The object of Spring Training

The object of Spring Training shouldn't be to win but to see who how
everyone plays. You can learn as much from a loss as from a win.

agreed 100 percent

these wins and losses mean nothing

Nice hit by Ronny

how's he look on the base pads?

Any sign of his hamstring injury?

I think

he's looking OK.

Howdy folks!

I've been reading for weeks, signed up today and thought I'd throw a few ol'-fart thoughts in here....1) unless Patterson is a clone of his brother, he is a better bet than Roberts, who costs WAY too much. 2) Cedeno is very talented, just not skilled in the thinking end of baseball. 3)Pie needs to play every day, lefty or righty...his D wins more games than Roberts lead-off skills bring.

Welcome to BCB

From one ol'fart to another.

good thoughts.

I believe the Cubs handle players differently now than when CPat was with us (for the better). So, even a CPat clone would be more likely to succeed here now.

Regarding the cost of Roberts; I feel he brings stability and potency to the lineup and positions others to solidify our bench. He may be well worth the cost for these added benefits.

I hope Cedeno can act smart enough to seem lucrative in a trade deal.

With Pie; do we bet the farm with him and start him everyday as a growing project? Probably - he has nothing else to prove in AAA. The questions are: how long does the project last and what's the back up plan?

Ward strikes out.

The end of Bleedcubbieblue

The graphic-heavy design of the new version of bcb has made it impossible for me to use on my older laptop, even with high speed internet connection. Yet another casualty of the whole Web 2.0 overdosing by coders who love flash and all the other stuff that slows down computers.

It is with sadness that I say: my enjoyment of the great content and community that makes up bleedcubbieblue has most likely come to a close (unless I can scrape together enough money to buy a new computer).

Very sadly,
exnorthsider

Sorry to hear that

I'm still using dial up at home and haven't tried to access the new BCB yet. I'm afraid it will really be slow now.

Thanks. How did you post?

How did you post this if you aren't using the new bleedcubbieblue?

Nevermind

I presume you're at work. Sorry about that.

posting from work

I'm spoiled here at work with a great computer system.

Plus - I work for a Cubs fan!!!

I'm on BCB all day, plus other SB Nation sites and my own blog (www.lostinthevines.blogspot.com)

Please email....

... bugreport@sbnation.com with this. Perhaps some adjustments can be made.

(FYI, there's no flash used here.)

I'm really sorry to hear this

As Al suggested, please send us an email -- bugreport@sbnation.com -- so we can get more information about your computer, browser, and the specific problems you're having. Hopefully we can make things better for you.

Thanks, ol'fart!

I don't think we need a backup plan for Pie. We need to let him grow up under fire.....In fact, we need to let our home-grown kids grow up in the bigs. Seems the Marlins have had success doing just that.

The Century without a championship is overrated, I think it is better to have more consistant success without giving away the farm than it is to win now....

Now pitching...

Jimmy Gobble

Ends the inning getting a fly ball to right

The fans at the game were gobbling at him. :)

Hart's curve...

is sexxy wicked.

Cedeno...

RBI triple to RF corner...TIE GAME!

OMG

Cubs Win!

Spring Training be damned! Fly it...

Thanks!!! :-)

Whenever someone posts a comment,

Your flag totally stops for a couple seconds. This new site could be dog slow when there are a gazillion posts a minute during a real game.

Nice ending

Nice game for Cedeno. Great rally by the bottom of the order.

I Heard Cintron Pulled a Hammy?

Is this true? And if so, anyone hear how bad it is?

So the Cubs actually won a game that Marquis

started? This cannot be possible

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