SCOTTSDALE, Arizona -- Here's why headlines can be misleading (and why headline writers ought to read the story first!). Take a look at the front page of chicagosports.com. (This may change during the day, but this was the way it read at 9:45 CT.)
A side headline reads: "Wood's back spasms reopen closer battle". Right below it, the intro text to the linked article reads:
So which is it? Is he in, or is there a battle? Next, it goes on to say that Lou won't choose till after he sees Kerry go in back-to-back games, so it might not be decided till Monday.
In any case, I think we should stop worrying. Back spasms can happen to anyone (have you ever had them? I have. Pretty damn painful, but they DO go away with treatment, and Wood has professional trainers helping him.), and Kerry may be back on the mound in a day or two.
Other notes:As of Wednesday evening, they hadn't notified Uribe or agent Martin Arburua whether they had put Uribe on waivers, and they have him scheduled to start at second base this afternoon against the Dodgers in Phoenix and Saturday against the Cubs in Mesa.
That doesn't mean they haven't put Uribe on waivers, but considering there are at least four types of waiver moves, the idea that the Sox have parted ways outright with the infielder seemed to be a big jump to conclusion.
There is no radio or TV coverage of today's game. (This time I'm sure.) Here is today's MLB.com Mediacenter link anyway. Tomorrow's game in Tucson will be on ESPN2.
Discuss amongst yourselves.0 recs | 246 comments
I used to like...
...Downey's columns, or at least be mildly amused by them. Recently, however, they're both uninformed ~and~ lacking in entertainment value. I don't undestand betting very well, but what's the over under on his still being employed by the Tribune in a year? This observer thinks he'll be out. ...By the way, I noted on the back page, lower right corner, that Sam Smith is retiring. Sad. I don't always agree with him, but I like reading his opinions. If only Phil Rogers was as good for the Cubs. - TL
timlacy - March 20, 2008
How do they keep their jobs anyway?
I've never "gotten" Mike Downey. He reminds me of those guys in school who thought they were funny but, in reality, were just obnoxious.
Also, Phil rogers might be the most uniformed "baseball expert" in Chicago. He seems to never get anything right-the main reason I was never too confident about the Cubs getting Brian Roberts was because Phil Rogers said, back around Christmas time, that it was basically a done deal.
bluekoolaide - March 20, 2008
I meant to say...
"the back page of the Tribune's sports section, lower..." - TL
timlacy - March 20, 2008
Thread hijack...
...it is your last chance to get into the Official BCB NCAA Bracket if you haven't already. Here's the info from the last link, I will update the standings tonight.
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2008/3/17/294846/official-bcb-ncaa-bracket
Dan
dtpollitt - March 20, 2008
Hopefully...
the spasms aren't too bad, a few days tops. Now if it were shoulder or elbow pain, I would be FREAKING OUT MAN!
As long as Woody takes it slow and easy, thing will be fine. There I said it...true optimism!
crw89 - March 20, 2008
It has become more
evident that the majority of sport writers are instructed or they feel it is there duty to write a headline that gets to read the article, even though the headline is bogus to the story.
I think Woody will be fine, however you will see Marmol close in spots.
I just want the Cubs to start hitting the ball a bit.
Grockcubs - March 20, 2008
Generally speaking, headlines are written by...
...people other than the writers, who don't know what the size or font of the headline will be. The people who do end up writing heads normally have a lot of other responsibilities, and may know next to nothing about the topic they're writing about. It's plain unfair to blame those headlines on the sportswriters.
cwyers - March 20, 2008
Downer
Ah, job security for Downey ... no Chicago sportswriter can go wrong with a pessimistic and cynical viewpoint about the Cubs.
Hey, Mike, here's an idea: come up with some actual news about the team on your own and then write a story.
wrigley1 - March 20, 2008
I have heard about the Sox looking into Roberts...
I truly hope he is not headed to the south side. I still want him here on the north side.
Kinky Reggae - March 20, 2008
They Don't Have Anything...
...left in their farm system that would attract Roberts.
initram - March 20, 2008
No way...
I don't see how the Sox could get him-the Orioles want prospects and the Sox' system is one of the lowest rated in baseball right now. It sounds to me like the writers are starting to get bored with the ongoing Roberts to the Cubs story (just like all of us) and are trying to invent a new angle.
bluekoolaide - March 20, 2008
Thanks to SBN 2.0...
...I just joined Giants blog McCovey Chronicles and, FWIW, they're discussing Juan Uribe as a potential SS in this fanpost. Going from Vizquel to Uribe would have to be considered a step down, no?
daver - March 20, 2008
Uribe instead of Vizquel?
i know Vizquel is hurt but that sounds like the Giants aren't expecting him back any time soon. how badly injured is he?
bluekoolaide - March 20, 2008
Uribe Vs Vizquel
Uribe would also be an offensive upgrade which they desperately need.
tony412 - March 20, 2008
Today is the beginning of the Dodgers
playing in the Cactus League. Way overdue IMO. I know why they decided to stay in Vero Beach for so long, but it only makes sense to have them in AZ. Especially when you consider that with every other team in the NL West out here, that it might've put them in a little bit of a disadvantage as the 3 other teams got a good look at eachother before heading into the regular season.
Other Cactus news, the White Sox are determined to be out of Tucson by next season as they're trying to reach an agreement with Tucson City officials to bring a annual National softball tourrnament there instead. Something like that, I'll try to find a link.
It won't be too much longer until there will be no games held in Tucson. Which would be fine with me.
lemon20pie - March 20, 2008
I agree.
Nothing against Tucson itself or any BCB readers who live there (I know of at least two of you), but it makes little sense to have two or three teams two plus hours down I-10, when there will be 11 or 12 teams in the Phoenix area training by next spring.
If the entire Cactus League were in the Phoenix area, that would be a boon to all the teams, not to mention the fans.
It'll be interesting to see what happens to the Rockies and D'backs once the White Sox make their deal to leave Tucson.
Al Yellon - March 20, 2008
I disagree of course
I understand why they want to move to Phoenix but I still don't like it.
Here is the article that lemon20pie was refering too. It's a youth baseball league. I really don't think it's a good replacement.
http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/230117.php
tucsoncubsfan - March 20, 2008
It probably isn't.
But the White Sox want to get out of there so badly that I suspect they'll do just about anything.
The article says that Pinal County officials are "seriously" looking at the idea. If it can replace the estimated $30 million impact the Sox have there, they'll probably do it.
Al Yellon - March 20, 2008
That should be PIMA County, not PINAL County.
n/t
Al Yellon - March 20, 2008
Ty for the link Tucson
I agree with Al that I have nothing against Tucson but it's just not going to be logistically possible. You'll have 2 teams in Tucson and the rest in Phoenix area. Next year the Dodgers come and possibly the White Sox and then the Indians will be coming out here as well.
Unlike Florida, ST teams out here like it because of the proximity to other camps. You can get a good workout in in the morning before you even play your game and not have so much travel time.
lemon20pie - March 20, 2008
I'd want to stay in Tucson. You get all those teams that close together in a major city and it's more fun than work. I like the idea of keeping the teams spread out although it's gotta be hell for traveling.
Keystone80435 - March 20, 2008
I don't understand what you mean by
major city?
lemon20pie - March 20, 2008
Downey's columns are unreadable...
..beyond me how is gets the front page day after day. His topics are a week behind and usually of little interest with a bizarre sense of humor.
I swear this town used to have good sportswriters...
JB 23 - March 20, 2008
Downey
Where has this guy been? He thinks the talk about Roberts has covered only the last month? Further more, to list all the aliments on the Cubs is goofy. I would take anything on that list as opposed to a torn ham string or any other injury that could affect the team during the season.
wild bill - March 20, 2008
Injuries
Agreed. Right now there are no discussions about anyone starting the season on the DL. There are quite a few other teams that would take the Cubs' injury "problems".
rlpete - March 20, 2008
It certainly doesn't sound like
Wood's back will be something that causes him to miss extended time and it's not his arm or his elbow, but can you blame people for "overreacting" when Wood complains of back sorenesss? This is certainly not the first time Kerry has had issues with his back. This could be no big deal, but do you honestly feel confident that Kerry won't miss another game due to his back? I don't. My opinion of this "injury" is that since it's his back spasms again, it's the lesser of the two evils.
I can understand people thinking "here we go again" when they heard about this story. 1. it's Kerry Wood and 2. it's the Chicago Cubs and after all:
lemon20pie - March 20, 2008
I hate to disagree with you...but actually...
santoswoodenlegs - March 20, 2008
I think we canboth agree on this (see recent fanpost),,,
lemon20pie - March 20, 2008
Rich Hill
Back home after a few days out of town. The weather is slowly but surely improving, and Opening Day is now 11 days away!! And Al, the new BCB site looks great.
Here is a question to stir the pot a little: Rich Hill is starting today. Whenever questions of the rotation come up, it's always Dempster, Leiber, and Marquis competing for two spots. Yet these three have, for the most part, pitched great this spring. The pitcher who has yet to show his 2007 form at all is Rich Hill. He has had, by far, the worst spring of any of the Cubs starters. Which begs the question, if Hill gets shelled again today, does he become the odd man out? I mean, if we want our five best guys in the rotation, it hasn't even been close as to who the sixth best starter has been this spring. Could Hill possibly be the long-man in the pen if he's no good today?
ctcoff99 - March 20, 2008
THere is zero chance Rich Hill
will not be a starter.
Speaking of Rich Hill and we got a few hours to kill, here's a question for you:
Would you trade Rich Hill straight up for Brian Roberts?
lemon20pie - March 20, 2008
Honestly
The Orioles would need to sweeten it up. Interesting thought though. But I would not trade straight up.
wild bill - March 20, 2008
By sweeten it up
I'm guessing you don't mean Jay Payton?
lemon20pie - March 20, 2008
Actually
I hear that Jay is a real sweet guy. But no, I personally have no interest to have Payton on this club.
wild bill - March 20, 2008
why not.............
Lofton as a reserve outfielder. I know he's lefthanded but he fills the bill of being able to play all 3 of spots. Speed, insurance for Pie or even Soriano if he goes down again. Or would Lou get to antsy having him sitting behing Pie and not give felix a true chance?
Seems one year and 2M would do it.
plenz - March 20, 2008
His name has come
up in serveral different sources. I am not sure why not Lofton. Every year he puts up decent numbers, seems like a team player as well. But without checking, it also seems he has been wearing a new hat the last five or six years. It does make you wonder why.
wild bill - March 20, 2008
I think it's because
Kenny Lofton's become that junker car. You keep driving it, but you never know when it's going to just break down -- you'll get out, close the door, and every piece of trim falls off, the doors fall off, the tires burst, and the engine explodes.
Just like that.
drewishdrewid - March 20, 2008
It's also because Kenny doesn't do anything the Cubs need him to do
He can't play CF anymore and he can't hit left-handed pitching. I'm not sure what he offers that Eric Patterson wouldn't offer cheaper.
DGU - March 20, 2008
Would agree
to some extend. But thirty one other teams must not need him either. I still think it is strange though.
wild bill - March 20, 2008
Yes, I would
This is essentially the beginning of the same debate we had here a few years ago when discussing the supposed Prior for Tejada deal.
Roberts gets on base at the top of the order, which the Cubs desperately need. He's got speed, which is nice. Puts pressure on the pitcher when guys are coming up that you don't want to make mistakes with. He's got a bit of pop in his bat. He's a switch hitter and is only 30 years old.
He's the type of player that has the chance to make a significant impact every single day.
Rich Hill is a decent pitcher. I like him. But really, the biggest thing in his favor is his price and the fact that the Cubs have control over him longer than they would over Roberts.
ScottT - March 20, 2008
Rich Hill is
the Cubs' starter I'm most worried about right now. But, yeah, there's no way he isn't in the rotation. I'd be tempted to trade him for Roberts but i don't think the Orioles would go for it-they're out to rebuild their system-MacPhail wants quantity in return for his established guys.
bluekoolaide - March 20, 2008
You Know...
...we're supposed to get 6" of snow tomorrow?
initram - March 20, 2008
Ugh.
I'm glad I'm in Arizona. Gotta get all that snow melted in 10 days!
Al Yellon - March 20, 2008
I did not know that.
Thanks for sharing. : ) And no, I would not trade Rich Hill straight up for Brian Roberts. This whole thing has been enough of a distraction already. Go with Theriot leading off and Soriano at number two. DeRosa is our second baseman, and I say, let it be. If they trade for him, OK, but Andy the Clown has had four months to do this. If I'm the Cubs GM, I'm moving on. Play ball.
ctcoff99 - March 20, 2008
Well I agree
that this needs to desperately come to an end by the end of the week one way or the other, whether Roberts becomes a Cub or Hendry put's this awful mess to an end by stating publicly the deal is dead.
lemon20pie - March 20, 2008
But....
I still say that given the way he has thrown this spring, today is a big outing for Rich Hill. If he has another bad one today, in my book he is the odd man out until he has a good showing. You want your five best guys starting. And the five best have been Z, Lilly, Leiber, Dempster, and Marquis. That being said, being demoted to the pen would probably destroy Hill's confidence, and therefore, any hope of being a quality starter again. Lieber publicly said he would not mind going to the bullpen, so does that make things easier? I don't know. Bottom line, Hill needs to get his stuff together fast. As in today.
ctcoff99 - March 20, 2008
Well to Hill's defense
His best pitch is his curve ball and it's really really hard to throw that pitch out here successfully. It's just too much work. You have to really overthrow it to and ofcourse that creates bad habit. My guess is that for Hill, Larry is more concerned and focused on whether or not Rich can keep his fastball down and that's been a big focus for them this Spring.
lemon20pie - March 20, 2008
Amen.
bluekoolaide - March 20, 2008
Hey, hey, hey!
It's not snow, it's snizzle.
daver - March 20, 2008
Oh joy...
...not only is it going to dump 8 inches of this stuff, it is going to be very difficult to plow it!!
That's like a double-whammy!
initram - March 20, 2008
actually.............
6-10" now in the burbs where I am
SHITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
plenz - March 20, 2008
Hey Al
YOu got an extra ticket today?
lemon20pie - March 20, 2008
Sorry I didn't see this earlier.
But no, I didn't.
Al Yellon - March 20, 2008
Wood's back spasms
I understand that Wood has had back issues in the past, but does anyone else wonder if his back trouble could be related to the exertion it would take to beat the crap out of a Nissan?
Just saying.
-- Debbie Downer
This is the car, according to the Hardball blog over at chicagosports.com.
bluebythebook - March 20, 2008
WOW
Thats crazy.
Hammer - March 20, 2008
HAHAHAHAHAH
I was just now thinking the same thing! I was wondering if his back issues have anything to do with swinging a bat at the car!
Keystone80435 - March 20, 2008
Now THAT...
would be a CLASSIC Cubs injury!!
bluekoolaide - March 20, 2008
No doubt
1st falling out of a hot tube, now injured hitting a car with a bat. Unreal haha
Keystone80435 - March 20, 2008
the third injury?
Bizarre gardening accident.
bluebythebook - March 20, 2008
Fukudome and Concern in the same breath
I believe I tend to fall well outside the realm of the constant-worrying and overly sensitive Cubs fan when it comes to obsessing over every reported camp bump, bruise, actual injury or performance however....
Lou can paint it any way he wants to. Fukudome's performance has me concerned. Not necessarily worried but concerned. For the same token, so does Lee's. No, I wouldn't expect to see Lee's career year of 2005 any time soon, but something resembling 2007 (or better) would be nice.
I don't put a whole lot of stock in spring numbers but when they are as glaringly lacking as the numbers of both of those guys are, it may not be time to push the panic button but at least have the "concern button" at the ready.
Yes, Lee has a track record and all and Fukudome does as well half way around the world. But, I'm just saying.....
krummy12 - March 20, 2008
Just sayin'
There was an interesting story I heard recently about Ichiro's first spring. I think it was on the Score or ESPN 1000 one afternoon. But, nearly everytime he came to bat, all he'd do was pull a weak groundball to the right side. After days and days of this, Lou and his staff at Seattle were worried like hell, thinking... what kind of friggin ballplayer did we just get. So, Lou somehow says to Ichiro, "Can you hit it to the opposite field at all?"
In Ichiro's next at-bat, he slapped a double to left field on like the 1st pitch. When he was questioned about it later, he said "Why give them a scouting report on me right before the start of the season?" So, he sandbagged the whole spring.
SackMan - March 20, 2008
I hate to say it...
but I think you're right on. Everybody seems to be automatically annointing Fukodome as a superstar-until he proves it though, he's just another highly touted "prospect".
Lee needs to pick up his power numbers-he had a good overall "Mark Grace" type year last season but, let's be honest, the Cubs signed him to that big contract to hit homeruns and knock runs in-last year's numbers just don't cut it. i don't know much about broken bones but could he have permanently damaged the wrist back in 2006? god, I don't want to even think about it.
bluekoolaide - March 20, 2008
John Fay has a possible Reds lineup, and I have to say, looking at that makes me smile away any of our lineup concerns:
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080320/SPT04/803200332/1062/SPT
DGU - March 20, 2008
Fukudome..
Hopefully he gets it going soon, but i think its reasonable to expect his numbers to be down to start out, considering all of the adjustments he has to make (dealing with a new culture, playing day games in the cold at Wrigley, facing MLB pitching).
lance dickson - March 20, 2008
Understood
I'm OK with that line of thinking but to me, that sounds a bit like coddling. Yes, cultural adjustments are to be expected and climatic adjustments just the same. But he was brought over here to be a professional hitter and right now, that's not happening. Again, a lot of things change from March to June but to suggest that his struggles will magically turn into consistent production is probably not a reasonable belief.
Again, I'm not panic-stricken over any of these current "struggles" but am trying to own up to having a greater than usual sense of concern over these two guys, Fukudome in particular.
krummy12 - March 20, 2008
His onbase is OK
If he hits 260 and continues to walk more than strikeout Id be happy.
Hammer - March 20, 2008
I could be wrong...
but i think Ichiro struggled mightily his first spring with the Mariners, and went on to have a great season. Hopefully Fukudome follows a similar path...
lance dickson - March 20, 2008
YOu are not wrong
Mariner fans were thinking he was gonna stink. He was late on nearly every swing and took him a bit to get used to the speed of MLB baseball, just like it's gonna take for Fuku.
lemon20pie - March 20, 2008
I hope so too
but, unfortunately, there's only one Ichiro.
bluekoolaide - March 20, 2008
According to the Score
Wood will pitch today. I just hope that he isn't putting pressure on himself and rushing back a day too soon.
puckishcubsfan - March 20, 2008
Lineups
Rox
Podsednik, CF
Torrealba, C
Baker, 1B
Spilborghs, LF
M. Giles, 2B
Stewart, 3B
Barmes, SS
Sullivan, RF
Morales, P
Cubs
Theriot, SS
Soriano, LF
Lee, 1B
Ramirez, 3B
Fukudome, CF (That's correct)
Murton, RF
DeRosa, 2B
Blanco, C
Hill, P
Bruce Miles - March 20, 2008
Good...
I want to see him get some time in CF...I still say he's our best option when we face a tough LHP and Lou wants Pie to sit.
santoswoodenlegs - March 20, 2008
WOW
Dome in CF? Cool.
McRipper - March 20, 2008
just thinking...
if we did manage to get Roberts, what about Fukodome in center and DeRosa in right?
bluekoolaide - March 20, 2008
Not a bad idea
That is if Dome would be Ok with that because I know the Cubs promised him RF which sounds like the main reason why he came here.
Having said that, I'd rather have Murton in RF and Derosa at 2B and Roberts at SS. Ward hit's against Righties. That would be one hell of a lineup kids. It's fun to pretend:
Roberts
Fukudome
Lee
ARam
Soriano
Ward/Murton
Derosa
Soto
lemon20pie - March 20, 2008
Id rather have Pie in center
Hammer - March 20, 2008
re: Not a bad idea
Yeah, interesting. But I thought it's been pretty firmly established that Roberts doesn't have the arm for shortstop. (Something about a surgey...?) Also, as much as I like DWaryle, I'm really hoping we never have to see him in right field this year.
daver - March 20, 2008
His arm couldn't be much worse than
Theriot's.
I agree with Ward not being in RF. Not sure what I was thinking.
I would have to think though, if Dome in CF today meant anything towards "the deal" (not saying it is) but I would have to assume that it meant the deal is dead. My reasoning is that right now, Dome is really the only one who could play CF on this roster besides Pie. It's obvious and rightly so, that the Cubs don't want Pie hitting against Lefties.
Not at all saying there is anything signifant like that going on, but if there was, that's what it would mean to me.
lemon20pie - March 20, 2008
Wow, Scotty Pods leading off. Interesting.
daver - March 20, 2008
If Dome is in CF
That must mean that Pie got traded to Baltimore :)
lemon20pie - March 20, 2008
Even with Blanco in the lineup
I have a feeling the Cubs are gonna score early and often. I say they score 12 runs today!!!
THis is a MUST win game!!!
lemon20pie - March 20, 2008
Oh my God, you're right! It's done! Roberts is a Cub! Cue the marching band!
daver - March 20, 2008
Is this serious?
Keystone80435 - March 20, 2008
That marching band is dead serious.
I am not.
daver - March 20, 2008
yea yea
I meant the band.
Keystone80435 - March 20, 2008
the band is ALWAYS serious.
they're the band.
drewishdrewid - March 20, 2008
I really meant the trade.....
But know i know never mess with the band. The band is always serious.;
Keystone80435 - March 20, 2008
Tim Buss
I apologize if this is a repeat. I thought this was really cool. Read the comments at the end of the article
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2008/news/story?id=3302755
1060 W Addison - March 20, 2008
No Gameday Audio on MLB.COM???
What gives!
Keystone80435 - March 20, 2008
Yeah, it sucks.
In spring training, however, there are no guarantees. If you want to drive yourself insane, you could do what I'm doing -- trying to follow the game on Gameday.
daver - March 20, 2008
I'll have to take that chance.
Keystone80435 - March 20, 2008
I have XM.....
but it's in my car. I HAVE to get a mobile unit.
Keystone80435 - March 20, 2008
What Station on XM?
initram - March 20, 2008
I'm not sure....
but I thought all the ST games were on XM.
Keystone80435 - March 20, 2008
If the Cubs aren't carrying this game
or the Rockies aren't carrying this game, it wouldn't be on XM either.
lemon20pie - March 20, 2008
Thanks
You just saved me a trip to my car to check.
Keystone80435 - March 20, 2008
I hate my XM!
I haven't heard one G Cubs game all spring. They dooped my ass. I got XM cause ALL games "from Spring Training to the WS" are on XM.
BS!
Kinky Reggae - March 20, 2008
relax reLAAAXXX
Only 9 more days of torment for you. Meanwhile try channel 59 ALL Led Zep ALL the time. Or channel 202. Opie and Anthony are good for a laugh. But if XM told you they have ST and you dont have it call and complain and you'll get 3 months free.
Keystone80435 - March 20, 2008
my internet
is full of eels!
drewishdrewid - March 20, 2008
Hill walks five in first inning
Podsednik, Torrealba and Baker to start the inning. Baker grounds 543 on the first pitch. Giles and Stewart walk before Barmes flies out.
Bruce Miles - March 20, 2008
Damn!
I'm glad I'm not listening then. geeesh
Keystone80435 - March 20, 2008
Wow
initram - March 20, 2008
I was just noticing this on Gameday.
It almost sounds like a baseball brainteaser: Is it possible for a pitcher to walk five batters and not give up a run? YES!
daver - March 20, 2008
Wait, check that. They did score a run.
daver - March 20, 2008
yikes.
drewishdrewid - March 20, 2008
Don't worry...
it's only Spring Training right?
santoswoodenlegs - March 20, 2008
Worry? Hill's on my fantasy team!!
Keystone80435 - March 20, 2008
quick questino
are the Cubs planning on starting out the year with 4 starters?
Chanman25 - March 20, 2008
NO...
Lou said that he's not going to go with 4, he wants to see who his third best starter is out of the gate.
CubsBullsBears - March 20, 2008
not Rich Hill.
Maybe he gets better in a few months and he moves up?
drewishdrewid - March 20, 2008
Dare I say...
If Rich takes these kind of performances into the season, he's at risk of losing his spot to Marquis/Lieber/Dempter?
CubsBullsBears - March 20, 2008
I'll tell you one thing...
He won't be able to walk 5 guys total in any start against Dusty's Reds!
santoswoodenlegs - March 20, 2008
That would be MAJOR cloggage on the bases...
I could picture Dusty screaming "Swing the bats Dude!" from the dugout after 5 walks in an inning
CubsBullsBears - March 20, 2008
"Get out there and...
...do some smart-hackin', dudes!!!"
daver - March 20, 2008
Hill
might he be headed to the pen if no moves are made?
5 walks?
Sounds a bit Rick Ankiel...ish to me
YIKES!!
getting late even for ST for this kind of crap!!!
plenz - March 20, 2008
Its bad
But Hill is a good pitcher.
Hammer - March 20, 2008
re: Hill
Well, if that's the case, maybe the Cubs can eventually platoon Hill and Soriano in left field when Alfonso gets a bit long in the tooth.
daver - March 20, 2008
Mark Wohlers syndrom!
Keystone80435 - March 20, 2008
Harmless Bottom of the First...
... nothing cooking.
Well, at least Hill still has a no-hitter intact!
initram - March 20, 2008
cup half full!
Keystone80435 - March 20, 2008
What the hell is going on??
I HATE GAMEDAY AND XM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Kinky Reggae - March 20, 2008
I know. Gameday has stopped dead.
It's makin' me really nervous.
daver - March 20, 2008
I'm not so nervous
I am sure they are losing .
Kinky Reggae - March 20, 2008
3-0 per Yahoo!
CubsBullsBears - March 20, 2008
Sigh...I knew it.
daver - March 20, 2008
Another bad inning
Hill walks Sullivan. Morales strikes out. Podsednik reaches on E5 (throw). Hill throws pickoff attempt away for E1. Torrealba doubles. Lahey relieves Hill and gets two outs. Hill threw 49 pitches, 19 strikes.
Bruce Miles - March 20, 2008
Wow...
I know breaking pitches don't break that much in Arizona, but THIS bad?
CubsBullsBears - March 20, 2008
Brutal Bruce!
Is Hill moving to the pen or what?
This guy can't get outs.
Kinky Reggae - March 20, 2008
Because
Because spring training does mean everything. What a guy did last year means nothing. Spring means everything.
Glad you aren't lou.
puckishcubsfan - March 20, 2008
Glad I'm not Lou too..
then I'd have to kick dirt all over you for being you. What is this ST doesn't mean anything crap?????
I understand that it is not regular season but we are awfully damn close to have 5 walks in the 1st...wouldn't you say so genius?
Kinky Reggae - March 20, 2008
Thank you so much for the updates Bruce!!!
How 'bout some good news next update though.
lemon20pie - March 20, 2008
Hill kinda sucks ass this spring huh?
I can only imagine how annoyed Lou must be by now.
Kinky Reggae - March 20, 2008
Luckily for Hill and the Cubs
Luckily for Hill and the Cubs Lou knows Hill is a good pitcher who is having a bad spring and is not going to go nilly willy panicking like some dumb butt media.
puckishcubsfan - March 20, 2008
But...
If he pulls this crap come April, in consecutive starts, I could see him put his nilly willy ass in the pen in favor of someone else
CubsBullsBears - March 20, 2008
word
Keystone80435 - March 20, 2008
Don't you mean "willy nilly"?
daver - March 20, 2008
What the hell did you just say??
I do not understand "dumb butt"?
"nilly willy"?
Hill is stinkin up the joint no matter how you look at it. He better get it together soon.
Kinky Reggae - March 20, 2008
Yeah, what's a "dumb butt media" anyway?
Is that anything like a "dumb butt medium"? Y'know, like a psychic who gets everything wrong?
daver - March 20, 2008
He's a dumb butt media...
CubsBullsBears - March 20, 2008
Nice!!!!
Kinky Reggae - March 20, 2008
AH!
Every time I see his stupid, cocky little smirk on Horn it makes me sick.
EJThunder - March 20, 2008
The walks...
The walks are major. At least Lieber gave up hits. Walks are a different story.
Keystone80435 - March 20, 2008
Lou
As someone who knows a thing about the game Lou will base his decision on 2007 not a bad spring.
The fans and the dumb butts in the media will blow everything out of proportion.
Bruce is about the only one who won't have a hyper diaper.
puckishcubsfan - March 20, 2008
I suppose...
Les Walrond is headed north with the team now.
santoswoodenlegs - March 20, 2008
Why are people insulting Lou here?
Anyone saying Lou will send Hill to the pen is really insulting his intelligence.
puckishcubsfan - March 20, 2008
Waitaminute...
...Gameday says Josh Kroeger replaced Rich Hill. Could that possibly be right?
daver - March 20, 2008
Shall we insult your intelligence?
Kinky Reggae - March 20, 2008
3-3!!!
Hank White 2-run shot!
CubsBullsBears - March 20, 2008
Awwww, yeah!
Hank up in this hizzy!
daver - March 20, 2008
Makes sense...
Hill can't pitch a lick...and Blanco shows real hitting ability.
santoswoodenlegs - March 20, 2008
OK
Henry Blanco does not normally hit home runs and Rich Hill does not normally walk 5 people an inning so get away from the
Hammer - March 20, 2008
where did the other run
come from?
drewishdrewid - March 20, 2008
Before
everyone here decides that hill needs to be kicked out of the rotation, why dont we see how he does in the regular season first.
tizzle - March 20, 2008
Ten days
aint far away. If Hill comes into the season pitching like this...what is your suggestion?
Kinky Reggae - March 20, 2008
worry
about that when or if it happens. at this point i still trust hill over dempster
tizzle - March 20, 2008
I suppose
as of late, Demp appears more reliable.
Kinky Reggae - March 20, 2008
I agree...
But IF he stinks his first couple of starts, we do have other options.
CubsBullsBears - March 20, 2008
Theres always other options, but if those options were any good thats what the Cubbies would be implementing right now.
Keystone80435 - March 20, 2008
cripes
that's all I gots to say.
drewishdrewid - March 20, 2008
I'm still confused...
...did Kroeger really come in to pitch? I thought he was an outfielder.
daver - March 20, 2008
Lahey relieved him per Bruuuuuuuuuuuuce!
Kinky Reggae - March 20, 2008
According to Bruce Miles
Lahey replaced Hill. Kroeger would not come into pitch, if he ever came in at all.
lemon20pie - March 20, 2008
Lahey replaced Hill
Lahey got a couple quick outs, but now a 2-run HR to Ian Stewart inthe third. Hill had 6 walks today and has 14 for the spring after walking no one last spring.
Bruce Miles - March 20, 2008
OK, thanks, Bruce!
I thought maybe Lou pulled a TLR. Didn't LaRussa put Spiezio in to pitch once last season?
daver - March 20, 2008
Hopefully he's not still shellshocked
by his giant turd he laid out on the mound last season against the DBacks. I've never thought of Hill as being mentally tough.
lemon20pie - March 20, 2008
would it wear on him that long?
That's a long time to carry around a giant mental turd...
drewishdrewid - March 20, 2008
6 walks!
Doesn't it come to a point where ya kinda float the ball in there to put it in play rather than continue to throw balls? I'm a little worried about 6 walks. 3 walks is ok but 6 is on the high side. How long was Hill in?
Keystone80435 - March 20, 2008
Don't think he finished 2 IP
He had 5 walks in the 1st inning.
lemon20pie - March 20, 2008
Says
1.1 innings Good greif.
Chi Cubs IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Hill, R 1.1 1 3 2 6 1 0 7.11
Keystone80435 - March 20, 2008
Well it still is only Spring Training
And I'd be curious to read some comments after the game. It's entirely possible that he was working on a certain pitch, maybe a change up and that's what Spring Training is for.
The discouraging thing is, you can make all the excuses you want about his curve not breaking in AZ or like I mentioned he was working on another pitch but having said that,there had to be a time when he was throwing fastballs and he obviously couldn't throw that for a strike. Also, I'm sure Lou wanted him to reach atleast 60+ pitches today.
He has one more start left (maybe 2?) and if he struggles then, the fact that he will be heading into the regular season and not stretching himself out, then that could effect his start of the season.
THat's really the only thing that concerns me right now. He hasn't been able to strengthen his arm with these bad outings.
lemon20pie - March 20, 2008
Now this is interesting...
is it at all possible that Hill is now your long man out of the bullpen to start the season, so as to give him a chance to work out his issues?
Damen Jackson - March 20, 2008
That's an interesting assessment
I think it certainly could be possible. Especially if he has another short outing especially.
lemon20pie - March 20, 2008
I heard that Lou...
would be making his rotation selection by end of tomorrow, at latest. I think he's seen enough at this point.
Damen Jackson - March 20, 2008
Or if he has another short outing
He starts the year in Iowa and starts. He does have 1 option left.
ANother thing to consider, is he developed a blister last time out and maybe he reopened it. If that's the case, then you can bet he'll start the year on the DL and head to Iowa.
lemon20pie - March 20, 2008
The Cubs
changed Hill delievery to speed it up this spring. It seems like his new delievery is causing him to have bad control. If this continues the Cubs need to just let Hill pitch the way he did last season, I wouldn't be surprised if they do after this game.
cubsfan25 - March 20, 2008
Yeah...
I've caught a bit of that in games. However, his starts have been short, so you probably will want to stretch him out a bit. And you can't just flip the switch on that sort of change. You'll need a couple of appearances at least to smooth that out. So, I think there are some real concerns there about his readiness to start the season.
Damen Jackson - March 20, 2008
BTW
Does anyone happen to have my PECOTA for Hill I had in my sig? I lost it with the BCB update. Only thing I remember for sure was I had his ERA at 4.25.
lemon20pie - March 20, 2008
5-4 end of third...
CubsBullsBears - March 20, 2008
How Did We Get The 4th Run?
initram - March 20, 2008
Later everyone
GO CUBS!!
Keystone80435 - March 20, 2008
No idea...
I'm just looking at the generic score on Yahoo!
CubsBullsBears - March 20, 2008
Looks Like TheRiot Scored...
...on a wild pitch ball four to D.Lee.
initram - March 20, 2008
Hey...
at least Hill didn't throw any WPs!
santoswoodenlegs - March 20, 2008
Enter Kerry Wood??
initram - March 20, 2008
Wow!
Looks like it.
sue369 - March 20, 2008
time to shine for real!
drewishdrewid - March 20, 2008
Woody gives up a run...
...single, sb, ground out, strike out, double, strike out.
initram - March 20, 2008
Hm, not the best of results...
...but not the worst either, I suppose. Of course, if he'd entered the game in the ninth inning with a one-run lead, I may not be saying that. Aw, hell, give him the job anyway.
daver - March 20, 2008
two strike-outs, tho
who hit the double, and was it a clear double, or one of those quirky doubles?
drewishdrewid - March 20, 2008
I know that I'll be flamed for saying this,
but I'm going to say it anyway.
The Cubs will not win the NL Central unless at least one of two things occurs:
1. The Cubs anounce, no later than Monday 24 Mar, that they are no longer pursuing a "speedy leadoff hitter" (Roberts, Crisp, or anyone else), and/or
2. Lou Piniella resigns or is fired.
A manager's job is to get the most wins possible with the talent he has been given. That talent?
1. 4 legitimate, in-their-prime superstars (Sori, DLee, Ramy, Z).
2. 7 healthy, ML-proven SPs (think the 'Stros would like one?)
3. 3 legitimate closer candidates (think the Phillies would like one?)
4. A 6-deep bullpen (Wood, Howry, Marmol, Eyre, Wuertz, Hart)
5. 3 legitimate 30 HR candidates (Sori, DLee, Ramy)
6. Adequate or better defense at every position (how good might the Brewers have been last year with better D?)
7. 2 classic Francona-style table-setters (Dome, DeRo)
8. A top-notch PH (Ward)
9. An NL Central title to build upon
What has Lou done all winter and spring? Complain about not having a "speedy leadoff hitter".
Lou, SHUT UP AND MANAGE!!!!!
The only thing Lou has done this spring is to imply that the defending division champions have no chance to repeat without a "speedy leadoff hitter". Lou, you won the division last year without a "speedy leadoff hitter" -- just to prove that it can be done.
Doug Moe, after losing star forward Calvin Natt to a ruptured achilles tendon, was asked by reporters what he was going to do without Natt. Moe replied, "Do not mention Calvin Natt's name for the rest of the season. He is not here, and he won't be here. We will find a way to win without him." Yes, the Nuggets made the playoffs without him, and the Cubs can make the playoffs without Brian Roberts.
The thing that has to change is Lou's attitude, not the Cubs' 2B.
(/sermon)
DeRoMyHero - March 20, 2008
Feel better?
And how long were you working on that post before you actually put it up?
daver - March 20, 2008
Feel much better
Composed it during my morning run.
DeRoMyHero - March 20, 2008
Did you fall...
...and hit your head?
MPH73 - March 20, 2008
I agree with the conclusion you make
although I guess I didn't think that Lou wasn't doing anything other than sitting around and complaining...
drewishdrewid - March 20, 2008
Right
The Cubs won't win because Lou made a couple of comments that he'd like a leadoff hitter.
Right.
puckishcubsfan - March 20, 2008
Not Lou's fault
One way or the other this whole B.Ro trade talks should be put to rest very soon. I think the team morale gets a beating when a trade scenario brews for this long. This has even overshadowed the fact that this will be year 100 for the cubs without a WS.
cubsnlinux - March 20, 2008
hopefully
because it won't be.
drewishdrewid - March 20, 2008
well DeRo
that is truly one of the dumbest posts ever. Let me guess, you would make a great manager, but you are just being overlooked. What a silly post.
cubswin - March 20, 2008
Lou saying what he wants
Lou saying he wants a leadoff hitter has ABSOLUTELY NO IMPACT on the wins and losses this team does.
puckishcubsfan - March 20, 2008
"...the wins and losses this team does."
My English teacher just rolled over in his grave. Or in his La-Z-Boy at the retirement home, one or the other.
daver - March 20, 2008
Typical
Typical attacks the poster doesn't address the comment.
puckishcubsfan - March 20, 2008
I was actually attacking your grammar...
...or perhaps lack of punctuation? I honestly can't tell. In any case, you seem to be taking any criticism of Lou way too personally, and I think you need to settle down.
daver - March 20, 2008
I'm not attacking
I said before Lou isn't stupid enough to remove Hill out of the rotation and anyone who thinks he is is insulting him.
And I'm more referring to the silly idea the manager making comments means wins and losses.
puckishcubsfan - March 20, 2008
I didn't say you were attacking.
And I wouldn't be so sure about that. If Hill is struggling to develop a pitch (or maybe that blister is getting worse), and Marquis can't be traded, I could actually see Rich being sent down temporarily. It would be a pretty shocking development, but it's not out of the question.
daver - March 20, 2008
Who thinks
Who thinks Al is going to get tired of seeing most of KOW's posts flagged?
LT - March 20, 2008
so...
what's happening on the field? Anyone know?
drewishdrewid - March 20, 2008
Awww man...
...Hank White was picked off first. He wasn't seriously considering running, was he? And now here comes Neil Cotts. Maybe he'll do better against a team that isn't the White Sox.
daver - March 20, 2008
ooooh.... COTTS!
my cup runneth over.
drewishdrewid - March 20, 2008
Huh?
Cotts did not give up a run? wow!
lance dickson - March 20, 2008
Off Topic: Google Calendar
I just set up my Google Calendar and you can get the Cubs schedule with TV info. It's pretty cool.
northofwrigley - March 20, 2008
oooh, how?
drewishdrewid - March 20, 2008
In Google Calendar Search Public Calendars and just put in something like Cubs Schedule and then add it to your calendar.
northofwrigley - March 20, 2008
sawheeeet!
freakin' awesome!
drewishdrewid - March 20, 2008
It Worked Pretty Well...
... you can also e-mail the person if there is something wrong (e.g., there are schedule changes... augment for the playoffs, etc.)
initram - March 20, 2008
That's great!
Just set mine up. - TL
timlacy - March 20, 2008
hey thanks!
I love Google Calendar.
BTW, how did the Cubs tie the game?
zevkalman - March 20, 2008
like so..
Bottom Half
B:0 S:0 O:0 - Geovany Soto singles on a fly ball to left fielder Ryan Spilborghs.
B:0 S:0 O:1 - Ryan Theriot flies out to right fielder Cory Sullivan.
B:0 S:0 O:1 - Alfonso Soriano doubles (1) on a line drive to left fielder Ryan Spilborghs. Geovany Soto to 3rd.
B:0 S:0 O:2 - Derrek Lee out on a sacrifice fly to right fielder Cory Sullivan. Geovany Soto scores. Alfonso Soriano to 3rd.
B:0 S:0 O:2 - Aramis Ramirez singles on a fly ball to left fielder Ryan Spilborghs. Alfonso Soriano scores.
B:0 S:0 O:3 - Kosuke Fukudome grounds out, third baseman Ian Stewart to first baseman Jeff Baker.
santoswoodenlegs - March 20, 2008
thanks!
zevkalman - March 20, 2008
Dude
you're avatar is freaking hilarious. I laugh inside everytime I see a post of yours
NittanyCub - March 20, 2008
ah,
your*
NittanyCub - March 20, 2008
Thanks...
I like it so much...I've made it my Desktop Wallpaper!
santoswoodenlegs - March 20, 2008
delicious
Keystone80435 - March 20, 2008
Hil......ugh!!!
Hill could'nt keep my great grandmother close and she has'nt moved in 38 years...... have you ever seen a worse move for a left hander? A walk turns into a double faster for him than a rosey Iraq update from W !!!!
James031 - March 20, 2008
The offense is at least trying...
Bottom Half
B:0 S:0 O:0 - Defensive Substitution: Mike Rose replaces catcher Yorvit Torrealba, batting 2nd, playing catcher.
B:0 S:0 O:0 - Pitcher Change: Manny Corpas replaces Franklin Morales, batting 9th.
B:0 S:0 O:0 - Matt Murton doubles (2) on a fly ball to left fielder Ryan Spilborghs.
B:0 S:0 O:1 - Mark DeRosa out on a sacrifice bunt, third baseman Ian Stewart to first baseman Jeff Baker. Matt Murton to 3rd.
B:0 S:0 O:1 - Offensive Substitution: Pinch hitter Daryle Ward replaces Neal Cotts.
B:0 S:0 O:1 - Daryle Ward singles on a ground ball to center fielder Scott Podsednik. Matt Murton scores.
B:0 S:0 O:1 - Offensive Substitution: Pinch runner Mike Fontenot replaces Daryle Ward.
B:0 S:0 O:1 - Casey McGehee singles on a line drive to center fielder Scott Podsednik. Mike Fontenot to 2nd.
B:0 S:0 O:1 - Ryan Theriot singles on a line drive to right fielder Cory Sullivan. Mike Fontenot scores. Casey McGehee to 2nd.
B:0 S:0 O:3 - Alfonso Soriano grounds into double play, shortstop Clint Barmes to second baseman Marcus Giles to first baseman Jeff Baker. Ryan Theriot out at 2nd.
santoswoodenlegs - March 20, 2008
well, I'm certainly happy
to return to an 8-6 ball game! Go Cubs!
drewishdrewid - March 20, 2008
Fukudome struck out three times?
Ouch. Think the guys are short-sheeting his bed?
drewishdrewid - March 20, 2008
Marmol or Howry....
Coming in for the save?
CubsBullsBears - March 20, 2008
Wuertz...
initram - March 20, 2008
yeah, what's goin' on?
GD is clogging up the intarnertz again...
drewishdrewid - March 20, 2008
who is Geoffry Jones?
drewishdrewid - March 20, 2008
Looks like it'll be Wuertz...
Darkhorse candidate?
CubsBullsBears - March 20, 2008
NOOOOOOOOO!
Keystone80435 - March 20, 2008
Between Wuertz and Ohman I lost half my hair and gained 20 lbs chewing my fingernails last year. I DO NOT want him as a candidate for anything but middle man.
Keystone80435 - March 20, 2008
Huh?
Wuertz appeared in 73 games last season and was only charged with three losses. His ERA was a nice and tidy 3.48. He was one of the top relievers in baseball in stranding inherited runners.
cwyers - March 20, 2008
I take that back.
yea, you're right. I think I have bad memories of Wuertz becuase he always came in after Ohman fouled stuff up. Guilty by association...
Keystone80435 - March 20, 2008
The only guy that you should have lost hair over...
was definitely Ohman.
He sure did a great job.... ESPECIALLY against lefties!
(obvious sarcasm)
EJThunder - March 20, 2008
Nah.
Kerry got his kicks in.
drewishdrewid - March 20, 2008
Glad Wood got in today...
I bet he'll think twice before bashing in a car with a bat next time. haha
Keystone80435 - March 20, 2008
Game over!
2K's...not bad
CubsBullsBears - March 20, 2008
Alright!
Gott alove the comeback win.
Keystone80435 - March 20, 2008
That's the game!
Cubs win, 8-6
drewishdrewid - March 20, 2008
I was really disappointed
to see Hill give up all those walks and disappointed to see the Cubs trainling so early. BUT after thinking about it I was kinda happy. Happy that the Cubs were in a grind/comeback situation. You can't pratice that. I think it's good for them to be able to practice what they'll do in come-from-behind situations. So today was good not only for the win but the practice of falling behind and the starter/Hill having major trouble so early. Give the team confidence to win a game like that and pick up Hill. IMO
Keystone80435 - March 20, 2008
And I forgot to add...
Murton had another solid day. 2 hits and 2 runs. I'm still pulling for him even though I know his future is bleek.
Keystone80435 - March 20, 2008
cubs ftw - March 20, 2008
I missed Blanco's HR
by a couple feet! Arrrggg It went right by Al's head.
BigJohnAZ - March 20, 2008
That's funny!!
Did it go over the little fence there?
Good thing I wasn't out there again today as I probably would've stepped on someone's bare feet again going for it like I did last time I was out there!
Athough, I wouldn't have felt as bad if it was yours or Al's as I did last time when it was an 72 year old lady.
lemon20pie - March 20, 2008
Yes, that'e exactly where it wound up.
Rolled over the railing in front of the scoreboard, down the hill, was picked up by someone on the sidewalk below.
Al Yellon - March 20, 2008
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