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Overflow Thread 2: Cubs vs. Giants, Thursday 7/3, 6:05 CT

Win this series!

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I hate baseball
Venting

When did Marmol turn into a “gascan”?

ARRRGGGGHHH

I think they're at the point where they need to start pitching him

in no pressure situations-either when the Cubs are getting blown out or they’re up by enough runs that he can’t do too much damage-let him try to work out his problems that way

how about sitting him in the dougout for a weekend
how about a new pitching coach

who knows how to work with these guys??

...and sit him for a weekend too.

Both VERY GOOD suggestions
I wqouldn't pitch him at all right now
mets 4-0 in the 3rd
4-0 mets

bases loaded
thought we could use some good news

5-0

still loaded

Thanks, that does make it better
Carlos Marmol is all screwed up...

Which is very bad news for the Cubs. Outside of Kerry Wood our bullpen is mediocre to lousy. Jim Hendry is definitely going to be in the market for a bullpen arm (or two). And he no doubt will have to significantly overpay.

any clue what RP are on the market?
No way to tell....

all the rumor places are just that. No one is showing anything yet…..

How did I know you would be here?

Cubs losing and NOW you show up!!! HOW PREDICTABLE!!!!

Just curious,

How would you handle him? Bench him? Demote him? Change his role?

Marmol?
Yeah, him

feel free to chime in though.

Well, MDBNIU will NOT answer....

if it is me, I just might give him some quality time off. He may just be tired…..and the more he thinks about it, the worse it will get…...

Yes,

Isn’t he great that way?

Your act is tired.

Enough with the MDBNIU bashing. You look pathetic.

Who are you

to tell him what to do?

egg yolks
that was meant for blue mike obviously
I know, mine too.....
good I didn't want you to think I was insulting you crazy mountain
I appreciate the thought!
You are just a breath of fresh air, MDBNIU

I say get Harden, only use HIM out of the bullpen!!! Everyone else is sure shitty!!! DFA THEM ALL!!!!!!

Harden can pitch all bullpen innings except the ninth, which is for Kerry…...

So the guy isn't 100% perfect

any more? OFF WITH HIS HEAD.

Some of you people…....

8-0 mets

well… at the cards are getting roughed up

I think Lou knows something about Leiber

we don’t.

before this series sf had won 14 @ home all season

””shakes my head in disgust”

Agreed, that is hard to take.

I’ll have to take solice in a Cards beat down, I bet that will cheer me up a bit. :)

Don't forget the Brewers humiliating meltdown.
I don't get the negativity.

We split on the road, just like you are supposed to. We lost to two good pitchers. It sucks that we had a good chance today that didn’t work out, but at least the Cards/Brew Crew are helping us out.

Let’s go get the Cards in St.L and call it good. :)

+1

I’d like to see a better road record, but I’m not unhappy with the standings.

We can make that road record a lot better in St.L this weekend. ;)
that would be a good thing

I’d be happy with 2 of 3, but maybe StL pitching will start to get to it’s true level and the Cubs can get 3.

That would be sweet.

And did anyone think we’d go 15 days without Z and not lose more than a game to either the Crew or the Cards?

I didn’t.

Im not a negative Nellie

but when a team has won 14 at home right around the ASB ….. I tend to hope for 3 outta 4

No kidding!!

I did NOT expect this at all….....

That's silly

They never play well on the coast, historically. They usually fare better in SF than LA or SD. A split is exactly what I expected. With a depleted roster, what the hell more do you want? Some of the injured are now back—you expect them to be 100%?

Be realistic. The team has the best record in the NL. They’ve lost one game off the lead. This team is treading water, and that’s to be expected right now.

2 of 3 is really necessary in St. Louis. Playing .500 ball against a bad team is fine, under these circumstances—but those 2 kid pitchers threw good games for the Giants.

Try to actually be reasonable, you people. Are you all new here? Are you all bandwagoners?

That's fair.

I concede, though, I thought we’d lose to Lincecum and Cain was lights out. I actually think he looked better than Timmay.

I agree.

I wish we looked “crisper” on this road trip, but as long as we take 2 of 3 from the Red Birds, it will be a good week.

It's just not our night.

We’ll get em tomorrow night.

God, we have a great team......

some things, however, are truly puzzling…...

They need a break.

Let’s get amped up for the Cards, and get it done where it REALLY counts.

Welcome Back Zambrano Party tomorrow!!!!

Nah,

This is a long season, everyone goes through sections of the season where nothing seems to go right. The fans go ballistic, but the manager and players know it happens every season.

Now if they were playing like this late in August, then I sttart to worry.

Actually we're 2-5 so far on this trip

and jsut lost two to one of the worst home teams in all of baseball. Injuries or not, a great team should be playing better by now. This slump is going on two weeks

I hear you Mapmaker but,

if at the end of the season the Cubs win the division by 6 games you will look back on this and laugh at how silly it was to get so worked up over something like this. Moreover, if we win the pennant, and, God willing, the World Series, you will have absolutely no memory of thiis whatsoever!! So take heart. Lets see what we can do with those lousy Cards this weekend.

True true

But it doesn’t make this any easier right now. I’ve seen some horrifying things in my lifetime as a Cub fan and it’s not easy to stay optimistic, Remember the Marlins series late last year. Devastating and the next thing you know, the Cubs win the division. Sometimes I think the season is too long (especially when the Cubs are leading the division!)

LOL

Listen, I ‘ve been a Cub fan since 1964, so I have seen it all!
It never is easy for us.

This is a "GOOD" team

not a “GREAT” one. With all of the injuries - WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE EXPECT? It’s amazing to me that they have been able to maintain. That’s a great sign for when this team is healthy. Look at the Damn Dodgers - half their team is on the DL, it seems. They are still below .500.

Calm down. Did you expect no slumps, no injuries? If not, you haven’t a clue about the ups and downs of a season. As Al pointed out—look what the Jays did to Boston! Shit happens.

Find some Xanax, or go watch Arena Football. Maybe that won’t upset so many of you here.

Boggs still pitching for the Cards

TLR wants a rested bullpen

I may not like him but do you blame him?
not at all

I think it’s the right thing to do

Lincecum is a very good pitcher

There’s a reason he is 9-1 on a very bad team.

I'm all for our newfound patience at the plate, but I think sometimes it hamstrings us

when you’ve got a good pitcher throwing strikes. Patience does not equal looking at fastballs right down the middle. I think that’s led to this team simply not looking very aggressive at times, especially on the road.

Hope Z isn't

too wound tomorrow night.

on to St Louis and Big Z returns

I feel better already

Cubs could use another starting pitcher, however

I disagree with sitting Carlos. I think Lou needs to continue to use him until he gets his confidence back. If Lou gives up on him now, we may never get the “White Castle” back.

He’s lost a little confidence, just keep bringing him in, eventually it will all return. Not only that, we get to show the Cardinals what we’re made of this weekend.

I agree we need a starting pitcher.

Marmol just needs a tight leash right now.

The deal with Marmol

With the exception of the HR to Quentin, which was a fluke more than anything, he’s been getting beat when behind in the count and the hitters can sit high fastball. He’s throwing his slider too much early in the count and guys have started taking pitches in the hope he falls behind. If he’s not getting called strikes with his slider, he’s falling behind and his fastball is getting hit. All he has to do is make the adjustment and get ahead with his fastball and wipe them away with his slider. His slider is so filthy that he has fallen into the rut that a lot of guys with one outstanding pitch do and that is falling in love with it. Pitch off his fastball and wipe guys out with the slider and before long, he’ll be dominating again. He’s too good not too. No different than the Ramirez hitting slide.

A Sound Explanation

He might even be overthrowing the slider, which is causing it to sail outside. Then he has to throw a “get me over” fastball and KAPOW!

Just hoping it’s a fixable mechanical flaw and not another Mark Prior or Rich Hill scenario.

Probably the most thoughtful

post in this thread.

Well, my big boy dog is sensing the end and wants to chase HIS ball.....

so out the back I go!!! Y’all have fun…..see ya later!!!

When Lincecum hits puberty, he's really going to be something...good pitcher
Anyone up for continuing this thread to keep an eye on the Cards?
for a while, sure

9-0, top 5, runner on first 0 out

Yeah, I'll have to leave eventually, but for now. :)
We're not a very good team right now

and the return of some hitters didn’t seem to provide much of a consistent spark. Is tomorrow a must win? I don’t know but I can tell you it could really hurt if Z gets shelled.

Want to know the cure for the SI Jinx?

Play the Cubs

Castillo strikes out

One out top 5 runner on 1st

what on earth are these two talking about?!

The most difficult languages in the world? Seriously?

ah, you're watching also

so you know I goofed. was Castro, not Castillo

Yeah, but figured with like five of us here

not a big deal. :P

The guys need to get Marmol a couple of hookers

Get his confidence back up-he’s clearly thinking about baseball too much right now

"The Wedding Singer"

“You need a prostitute!”

Yeah hookers

solve everything. Sheesh

Seriously.

WTH?!

Took it literally, did you?
Some people are a little bit slow
George Costanza

“Parking is like sex. If you have to pay for it, you’re not applying yourself.”

especially in Marmol case.

average guy one thing. MLB player another

Plus, he's got an opener

“Hi, I’m Barrack Obama”

roflmao

There is a kid on the debate circuit who looks just like Barack. I’ve never learned his real name because of it.

dang it -- new I'd speled it rong
Looks like I picked a good game to miss
it was your fault...
they were already down 4-1 when i left

couldn’t have made it that much worse…

nevertheless!
i bet its you're fault

you were late… maybe you jinxed ‘em!

cubbie girl yet again you are prolly right
hee hee.

She’s almost always right. :)

its great to have madison on my side

haha, badger!! :-P

2 on 2 out

For Chavez. really, it’s Chavez!

Bright side

Cubs face Lincecum and will end up losing no ground on the day.

So far.

But yeah, that’s the best news I’ve heard today. :)

are you guys following the mets/cards game?
yep SB is making himself useful
that might be a first
again

i love snoopy

i played lucy in our high school play of “you’re a good man, charlie brown”. good times

I played Lucy in a Charlie Brown Christmas

in 4th grade!

i'm so freaking typecast as

lucy… it wasn’t really acting. :-)

ha ha ha!

Ditto

Everytime I hear a baseball birthday announcement

I’m sort of glad that my b-day is in February. I think I would take it personally if they lost on my B-Day. :P

me too

its nice to have a birthday in mid november. i only have to worry every few years about the bears losing on my birthday

when is yours? mine is 27th
14th

:-)

I love celebrating my bday and I think it would be cool to have it announced to all the listeners...

but Im born in November.

I want the Cubs to win on my birthday

In late October

I want them to win on your birthday too!
YES!

Agreed!

me too. what a great 45th bday gift that be for you this year.

j/k

that was low, madison
it was the absolute nastiest thing I could think of you

im tired and don’t have my “A” game

its okay

it was funny. i laughed. but… i’m usually laughing. i’m kinda silly if you haven’t noticed.

i don’t have my a game either. not looking forward to the fireworks going on outside tonight… don’t like them.

I love fireworks

love sitting close and feeling the explosions

the noise really bothers my dog

and the bright flashes are VERY painful for me. especially amatuers.

i love watching them on TV though. especially the ones in Chicago.

I cant do fireworks either

I cant handle flashes either but for a totatlly different reason.

my fav actually are the boston pop ones

For whatever reason

I kind of become a pyro when it comes to amateur fireworks…

you're male

it happens to almost all of you i think

could be

fireworks are the only thing that makes me like that.

my best friend growing up

was always pretty mild mannered, until we bought fireworks for the 4th. he turned into CRAZY man. We almost blew up his dad’s truck once. That was the last time we did fireworks in his driveway

I'm not quite that bad...
we were like

12. but i don’t think he’s that bad anymore.

i don’t know. he decided that dating and than cheating on my little sister was a good idea, so we’re not friends anymore.

sure, that'd make you 53, right?

:)

your what 2 years older than me?

so it make me 43

i could go for that!

when in october?

23
should've known

that makes you a scorpio too doesn’t it?

depends who you ask

some say libra, some say scorpio

the cusp, as it were

where as I am just a few days over the line and Sag
A Day Before The Cusp

Mine is 1-18 which I think is a day before the Capricorn/Aquarius cusp.

wow... you just threw a hanging curve ball

and I’m letting it go

that explains why i like you both

non scorpios have a tendency to be weird.

but since I'm on the cusp

I’m only normal sometimes

well. my version of normal is a little differnt

so… who knows! ;-)

I just looked up last years playoff schedule

October 21th the game 7 of ALCS 3 days away from WS. So if you are celelbrating baseball on your bday….. wow.

excellent
Don't Forget Oct 22

One of America’s all time comic geniuses, Curly Howard, was born on that day!

oh, a wise guy, eh?

I share my b-day with Johnny Carson (wonder if hbc knows who that is) and Pele

Other Jan 18 B-Days

Oliver Hardy, Cary Grant, Danny Kaye, Daniel Webster, and Kevin Costner.

Bottom 5

1 on for one of the Flying Molinas

The cardinals radio guys aren't very good

they’re stumbling over their own teams names…

Mike Shannon Sucks

The radio version of HawkNose. Awful, awful, awful!!!!

and yet worried about hard languages...

According to the British Foreign Office, btw, they are wrong. Hungarian is the 2nd hardest, with Tabassaran in 1st and Japanese in 3rd. :P

i turned it on after that part

but calling yadier… yaddie… is weird. :-P

Here in Wisconsin

We call him, “Yah dere, eh!”

Where is Mandarin?
There seems to be a disagreement between the BFO and the Foreign Service

According to a survey by the British Foreign Office among its diplomatic staff, the most difficult language to learn for adult English speakers is Hungarian, followed by Japanese. This survey naturally included only languages that are used in diplomatic relations and does not rule out the possibility of other languages that are even more difficult to learn.

“The Foreign Service Institute (FSI) of the US Department of State has compiled approximate learning expectations for a number of languages”[2]. Of the 70 languages analyzed, the 5 most difficult languages to reach proficiency in speaking and proficiency in reading (for native English speakers who already know other languages), requiring 88 weeks, are: “Arabic, Cantonese, Mandarin, Japanese, Korean”, with Japanese being the most difficult.

In the Defense Language Institute, Korean is seen as the hardest of the Category IV languages, which are Arabic, Chinese, and Korean. “Right now only 8 Languages are being taught (for Navy). Cat IV: Arabic, Chinese, Korean. Cat III: Persian, Serb-Croatian, Hebrew, Russian. Cat I: Spanish. ...Korean is the hardest language here [Navy], apparently it is 75 weeks long now, and they are trying to make it a Cat V language.”[1]

Interesting!

Xie xie ni!

Where Did Pig Latin Place?

Or how about jive?

considering these are diplomatic offices

I don’t think they are concerned with either, sadly. ;)

Russian Is Tough

I thought I once read where it was the hardest language to learn.

my college roommate

was taking russian at the same time i was taking latin.

it was the most nerdy dorm room around.

she was really good at russian.

a buddy of mine took Russian

and when someone else years later jokingly referred to her mother as a “sutka”, I knew what it meant…

Never Give A Sutka

an even break.

Russian kicked my butt.

Only C I got in College. Persian was a cake walk comparatively

After a brief period of page freeze...

seems I can post again. end of 5, 9-0

Asking The TV Viewers

Did Marmol look OK out there? Specifically, did he appear at all to be laboring or showing any signs of (please God no) being hurt?

I'll tell you what CalCub,

If Marmol has any type of injury, and Rothschild and Pinella know of it, and they keep using him anyway, the pillory they will receive in the Chicago media and Cub fandoom, will be well deserved!

No, I just think he has lost a little confidence, that’s all.

I Hope Not, Either

Acutally I’m more worried that Marmol would be the one not to say anything if – and again this is total speculation – his arm hurts.

11-0 Mets on Delgado HR
same pitcher?
yep. taking one for the team

6th inning

Wow

I can’t remember seeing that

big series coming up

for both of us.

is this gonna boggs’ last inning?

have to think so

good way to alienate the whole staff if not

Um you might ask Arroyo or Marquis

A little over a week ago Arroyo set a modern MLB record giving up 11 runs IN THE FIRST INNING. Tony left Marquis in a game in 06 and I think he gave up roughly 10 runs. He was not a happy camper. I think evil Tony did have a reasonable reason for doing it tonight though
needing to save the BP.

so it might as well be 1-0
We need a win tomorrow

I don’t like the pitching match-ups Saturday and Sunday. And the Brewers get the Pirates at home

Things could look really different on Monday

So. Since I missed most of our game

who all pitched? Who came in after Gally?

Ascanio...Marmol (gave up 3 run HR to AURILLA (!))...Cotts...Lieber
I dind't think LIeber would pitch

with Z coming off the DL and us not sure exactly what he’s going to have… you’d think you’d save your long man… right?

I'd have brought him in when it was 4-3, actually

Not like Lou uses him for more than an inning anyway.

I guess

Did they all only go 1 inning? or what?

Ascaino went 1+, Marmol 0, Cotts 1, Liebs 1

I think…had gotten a phone call from China

phone call

from my Mexican friend…moving to Singapore

not trying to impress anyone, I just think that sounds funny

that does sound funny
thanks

i was too lazy to look it up. figured asking might work just as well.

shore
thanks!
So would have I.

This game is totally different if Ascanio and marmol don’t give it up.

Ascanio got in trouble,

Marmol came in with runners at the corners, no outs threw two wide sliders and and then served up a pitch chest high for a 3 run homer. :(

My $0.03

The bad:
1. Marmol is starting to become a genuine concern
2. Dome is fighting it at the plate
3. Gallagher seems to be struggling a bit more now that scouts have seen him. That could mean that his stuff isn’t as good as we think.
4. We got 3 runs in 6 innings off of a guy with a 2.49 ERA, and we got blown out.
5. We are still having sloppy innings defensively.

The good:
1. DeRo is starting to rediscover the RCF gap and get his power stroke back
2. Cotts pitched pretty well
3. RJ looks like he is ready to go
4. DLee is hot
5. Edmonds had a good series
6. Murton is getting some hits with sporadic ABs
7. Howry seems to be back
8. Woody is right on

The best:
1. July 4th weekend against our red-feathered friends! Let’s get 2 of 3!

Howry has looked very good lately
I agree DLee is hot
He's been money lately.

If he keeps that up and we get Sori back, no one will touch us in the second half.

IMHO

derrek is always hot.

“ahem”

You know what I would like to see?

I would love to see Hendry make a REASONABLE offer to the Dodgers for Derek Lowe. Imagine, a sinkerball pitcher in Wrigley? He would be a great addition.

well, marquis and z are both sinkerballers

but i imagine if lowe becomes available, hendry would go for it.

That's fine but...

...you do realize that the infield grass isn’t fifteen inches long anymore and our infield defense, particularly up the middle, is questionable. That sinkerballer-in-Wrigley theory isn’t quite as appropriate as it used to be.

11-1 Mets end of 6.

I’m out, kids. Time to go meet some friends for an adult beverage.

Cue mcf, hbc disbelief in 10…9…8..

i'll suspend my disbelief

just to say good bye!

doesnt matter anyways. not going thru pitchers plus they are gonna lose.
do, waht?
methinks she doth be confused

g’nite!

night have fun w/ your "friends"
night!
Goodnight all. Get'em tomorrow Cubbies
night, mapmaker!
Night!

and agreed!!!

I am so excited for tomorrows game
i'm jacked that z's going to be back

you forget how good he is when he’s not taking the ball every 5th day, ya know?

I've misssed Z so much!

And RJ and RAMI!!!!!!!

how did reed do?

i saw his double, but how did he do in the field and stuff?

He looked okay.

No errors, just coming back. Hard to evaluate.

So he was moving okay?

Thats really all I was worried about. Good to see. :-)

to see reed johnson back today also
I'm sticking it out until the 7th or so at least,

I don’t trust those dirty birds to not come back.

i was thinking the same thing

i don’t trust the mets not to gag completely

Exactly.

They are SO bad. OMG. The last few days have been like WOAH.

yeah.

they aren’t very good.

Soto had a HORRID day struck out three times and made an error
ouch

i was still here when the E happened. sounded like a really tricky play.

poor guy.

That error was sad.

No one could have seen the ball in that.

thats only his 3rd of the season
he's been unbelievably good

soto has.

speaking of: are you still wanting to do that blog you were talking about?

I'd like to.

but the only blogging I’ve ever done is myspace variety. So although I’d like to do it, I need it to be a group effort

Okay

It could be interesting. I haven’t used blogger for a while but if you need a spot writer/designer I can help.

I would totally need a designer.

Do you have Instant messager?

No.

I don’t anymore… Hmm.. are you on facebook?

no I myspace
which IM do you use?
Incidentally, I'd be willing to help out with this if you girls need anything?

I do a bit of blogging, and have a friend who could maybe help out with design. :P

that'd be cool

If I did start something… Id would need lots of help trust me!

that would be cool

a whole group of us!

I think it'd be fun.

:)

or even having each other on IM would be fun

im guessing that our drooling over geo is starting to old for some of the guys on the site

lol!

And agreed! But they can deal, that Hough stuff was ridiculous. At least we are talking about a Cub. :P

but that has a shelf like of another week or two

for us we got until October LOL

Just let me know.

I generally IM on AIM, but can log onto Yahoo! for geo. ;) slcathena

Did anyone get the username yet? We should do that first. :P

yahoo
okay

i’ve got a yahoo id.. i’ll DL yahoo.

believe it or not when I go out and watch baseball w/ 2 of my guy friends who are cub fans

I will after Geo makes a good play tell them what a stud he is.

Good! It's true!!!
not to mention the amount I learn on this site

I will randomly share these things I’ve learned on here while we are watching the game and chatting

sounds like a plan. :)
give me a minute on this

I just realized I didn’t re-download yahoo when i had to reset up my hard drive. :P

okay

that was a hassle, but it was worth it. :-P

my yahoo is boilerfox06

so did we decide to do this at blogspot?
ok did you get it?
I'm on too!

slcathena

Madison, what’s your handle?

11-1 Mets

end 7

wait wait wait.

This NYM St.L series has been in St.L?

Am i right they are about to split with the METS at home?

yes
same score

mid 8

Hey Gang - Photo Question

How do I post a picture, like the one of Snoopy?

you'll have to upload it

to flickr or photobucket and then you click on the last button here (its green, i dunno what it really is a picture of) and paste that URL there.

Like This?

Pat and Ron

yep

good job. :-)

FYI, bases juiced for the Cards.

2 Down in the bottom of the 8th

Mets get out of the jam.

It’s down to 3 outs for the dirty birds.

We might be in a lot of trouble if marmol does not regain his form

The bullpen hasn’t been too reliable lately.

And we'd be in

a shit world of trouble if the earth opened up and swallowed all of us.

We'd be in a lot of trouble if my cat suddenly went feral.
LOL!! For sure.

I’m cat sitting this weekend and he had jumped up underneath one of our stairways and I was trying to get him down when his back claw caught me on my upper lip. It hurts. :-(

Yikes! Despite my feral comment, I swear I was not spying on you...
;checks windows:

locks doors. :P

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