Bleed Cubbie Blue

no jinxing it!

Cubs fans started singing in the ballpark, and Marmol promptly threw six or seven balls in a row.

True enough.

Maybe he needs to pitch in tenser situations.

For Sure

I’m a bit uneasy with all the ‘W’ flags being waived before the game is over too. I don’t think I’m superstitious but why tempt fate?

Luigi - August 17, 2008 reply

Me too.

It drives me crazy when people unfurl the W flags before the win is secured. Singing “Go Cubs Go” was over the line, too. All’s well that ends well, though, I suppose.

even len pointed that out

w/ the always fun line “I’m not superstitious, but” lol

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

Yeah, I heard that.

I have neighbors who fly the W flag outside their houses. That’s great and all, but I go crazy when they leave the flag up after a Cubs loss. I’ve seriously considered donning my ninja gear and taking a few of them down. Fortunately, that won’t be necessary today.

or, perhaps...

Al’s well that ends well?

That works.

Or maybe “Al’s well when all ends well.”

Both Well Played

LOL

Technically...

…. if you listen to the lyrics, the fans were singing the song at the perfect time. The Cubs are gonna win today. I’ve always thought it was silly to sing that after they’ve already won.

If Red Auerbach (sp?) were a Cub fan, he’d have been lit up already.

Goat Whisperer - August 18, 2008 reply

Similar to singing TMOTTBG when the fans are already there....

Shanghai Badger - August 18, 2008 reply

and then you didn't change it

when it was 9-2 ;)

nathew - August 17, 2008 reply

lmao. Al, you're hurting the Cubs' pythagorean win percentage with that final score.

LOL

I did forget to change it. I’ll fix it now.

holy cow!

that was fast.

cubs2234 - August 17, 2008 reply

twoth!

awesome 7th!

Al:

why so long to post the recap?

slowing down in your old age?

LMAO

I did have to wait for the last out! Marmol made me wait a whole extra batter!

BTW, we are the same age.

how great is it to have the Cubs at .500 on the road AND to do it against the Fish!!

You bet.

It does look like they finally have the Florida monkey off their back. Great series.

Probably because I didn't go this time :(

NotSure - August 17, 2008 reply

Did you catch?

Did you catch the morning news on 7? They talked about the new Cubs book and showed your picture. Was giving the dog a bath when heard it.

That was promoted on yesterday's game thread.

I was the one who got Will booked on the show.

Oops

I was tied up in and out all day. Was supposed to go to gencom but someone screwed up the hotel reservations.

bubbamike the one and only - August 17, 2008 reply

Dang that was fast!

Well the Cubs don’t pay Fonzi for his glove but for his bat and he came through with a double to tie it up and set up Reed Johnson who put it away for us.

And Theroit needs to work on his dancing feet. But with a win like this and 2 out of 3 in Flordia I’m a happy guy.

Fonzi

made some decent catches. And you don’t often see him go back to the wall and jump. I was pleased to see him do that, even if he didn’t make the play. And the second time it was hit off the wall, he played it PERFECTLY. That runner was OUT at second.

Ramirez WAS out.

That play didn’t cost them a run, but the first one may have.

In any case, all’s well that ends well.

Theriot

I didn’t like the attempted steal (or the caught stealing!) either – but was that Teriot’s decision? I thought it was a double-steal, and assumed it came from the bench to try to get them kick-started.

Al is right thought, that his percentages are aweful.

Len and Bob thought

that Riot did it on his own, and Lee was just paying attention.

That's possible - Lee is a smart ballplayer

If Theriot went on his own...

… then someone has to stop him.

absolutely

Yes

he hasn’t shown anything close enough to good basestealing skills to be going on his own.

LT - August 17, 2008 reply

I'll bet

Theriot thinks he can dunk too!

kentmeister - August 17, 2008 reply

For a good 1/2 to 3/4's of this season

I have screamed: DON’T STEAL, THERIOT. Fat lot good it does. One would think one would learn from experience, but nooooo.

we could procure

a sniper rifle from somewhere. (:P)

with foam bullets

just enough to get his bleeping attention, or maybe one of those t-shirt guns…

Just tell him

that Z will be waiting in the dugout for him if he gets CS. That should stop him.

Based on the replay..........

………..it looked like this came from the dugout. Seemed Lee broke at the same time as Theriot, so I’d say Lou has to accept the blame.

After last night’s poor showing, suspect he was looking to shake things up early.

tville - August 17, 2008 reply

Yep, looked like a double steal....

Can’t fault Riot too much, though he got a horrible jump…

Well then

you actually can fault him.

The Theriot apologists are astounding. If you need a single with nobody on, he’s fine. But he does absolutely nothing else well.

Leon Durham - August 17, 2008 reply

Bat Him 8th

and move DeRo/Fonty to 2nd in the order?

Theriot should be hitting 8th or 9th. Lou won't hit him 9th, so bat him 8th.

DeRo should hit 2nd.

The Nice Thing About Theriot Batting 8th

is that, assuming he gets on and the pitcher either gets on or makes only the 1st/2nd out, Soriano has an RBI opportunity.

Even better

Move DeRo to second, bat Cedeno 8th, and bench Theriot

Leon Durham - August 17, 2008 reply

Can Cedeno Match Theriot's OBP

given the same number of at bats?

The thing is,

Cedeno’s glove is better, and he’s widely considered to be a much better hitter. He may not post the same OBP, but will hit with some pop.

maybe, maybe not

Riot can NOT, however, match Cedeno’s power.

seems to me that

theriot does a hell of a job getting on base before the heart of the order comes up……..thats what we need in the 2 hole.

cubsmania - August 17, 2008 reply

and then getting thrown out on a botched steal.

sorry. couldn’t resist. I’ll sit down now.

You rebel you. :D

CubbieintheSouth - August 17, 2008 reply

I can't imagine Lou putting a double steal on

with no outs and Ramy at the plate. Not even Ned Yost would do something that stupid. DLee just did a good job of following the lead runner.

DeRoMyHero - August 17, 2008 reply

With the offense............

……….scuffling last night, I can see Lou making this call early in the game.

The replays pretty much verify Lee moving with the pitch. He certainly wasn’t looking at Theriot.

tville - August 17, 2008 reply

Great Roadrip!

Now let’s go home and beat up on Dusty.

night all

cya tuesday

tim815 - August 17, 2008 reply

Good night from me as well. Hope to see you Wednesday night (next time the Cubs are on here in Denver).

Cubfansince1957 - August 17, 2008 reply

go shakes

tim815 - August 17, 2008 reply

Respek Da Cubs, Yo!

and that’s a “W”

BOOYAKASHAH!!!

I’d been monitoring this one at the pool all afternoon and got home just in time to see Marmol wrap it up. What a great offensive explosion. Great pitching by Demp and the pen. And a fine, fine 5-1 road trip. Now it’s time to follow the Dodgers-Brewers game and root for the other boys in blue.

!!!! CUBS WIN !!!!

Right on, Al

could not believe you’d walk D-Lee in that spot the way he’s hit in clutch spot vs. the way Ramirez has. And the Pinto thing was just laughable—and we all know the dangers of Pintos backing up!

Lou gets his share of criticism but the days are few in which we get outmanaged. I don’t think he pushes as many buttons as he did last year (hit and run, etc.) but more often than not his decisions work out.

kentmeister - August 17, 2008 reply

huh?

Now, we all love D-Lee, but seriously, who would YOU rather face with the bases loaded?

This would be relevant if DLee was up with the bases loaded, but he wasn’t. He was up with runners on 2nd/3rd (where he has hit .325/.529/.663 in his career, which, FWIW, is better than ARam’s .337/.336/.625 with the bases loaded).

With that said… I still wouldn’t have walked him. But at least get the facts straight.

Yeah.

Derrek is still a dangerous hitter. Granted, he hasn’t hit for as much power as we would like — he still is one of our most potent hitters.

I'd rather have Ramirez up there any day of the week.

Didn't The Same Thing Happen vs. the White Sox

this year, at one of the games at Wrigley?

they IBB'd Lee to get to Rammy, and he crushed one, I believe.

was trying to remember that myself.

but really? I love Derrek… but close and late with RISP? I want Rami up everyday of the week in that situation.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

not when he is in those slumps of his

DLee is fine, he just isnt a flashy player so he gets more grief then most when he isnt hitting 400. Every since his really high average years he has alot to live up to, but he still our guy

Of course.

But many here act like walking Lee to face Ramirez is like walking Blanco to face Ramirez.

Nobody is saying that. Many of you just overrate Lee.

I didn't say anyone said that.

Acting like that, saying that. Semantics.

Ok whatever.

BTW 'nique

Seven months ago I went through what you’re going through now. Nine days late!

Don’t worry though. Your daughter will get here eventually. Ours did and she was probably healthier for it.

Josh Timmers - August 18, 2008 reply

True enough.

In that SITUATION, Lee was the batter to face. You pitch around him, hope he makes an out.

Sure...

… that may be true.

But the paragraph you wrote doesn’t make any sense if it is talking about that SITUATION.

Yes, you're right

I should have said something like, “The Marlins probably should have pitched to Lee, since Ramirez has been a better RBI man this year”, or something like that. Instead I mixed up numbers I shouldn’t have.

Better?

that would be...

…. much better.

You compared the current situation that ARam found himself in to a hypothetical situation for Derek Lee that didn’t exist in this game.

Further… based on your logic, it would have made sense to walk Lee, being that Lee had better numbers in the actual situation than ARam did in the actual situation.

I understand this.

I was making a comparison that wasn’t logical… but for some reason it made sense to me while I was writing it. Got to get more sleep.

Did he

shoot your dog or something?

TCobb1911 - August 17, 2008 reply

I think we get the point, dude.

It was an accident. Why not comment with this amount of tenacity when the facts are right?

pretty sure...

… that Al can defend himself.

and...

.. comment with “tenacity” when the facts are right?

What do you want me to do… say something like:

Great job Al! You got the facts right this time!

hm.

there’s something to be said about wanting to be completely accurate in everything you do, but generally, when people notice small mistakes or lapses in logic, they tend to let it go. you’re reading a baseball discussion forum man, not a freaking dissertation for a PhD. Let it go.

ThisIsResolute - August 18, 2008 reply

umm...

… I did let it go.

Until ya’ll jumped in and felt the need to defend Al.

big_lowitzki - August 18, 2008 reply

No.

Al let it go. I was thinking as I read above that it was a very graceful and humble exit by Al. It could have turned into a brawl, but he just bowed out. You didn’t let it go, you pushed it until Al backed down.

Not trying to get back into it. Don’t want to get back into it. However, don’t try to take credit for letting it go.

Sigh

Always someone.

dtpollitt - August 18, 2008 reply

Scoreboard Update

Crew batting in the 4th

Still 3-0 Dodgers

Cameron solo shot

3-1 Dodgers

That's the last time

I change the channel in frustration in the 6th inning.

daeviant - August 17, 2008 reply

time to get a DVR

then you can zoom through all the bad parts ;)

nathew - August 17, 2008 reply

I seriously need to join everyone

in the 21st century.

Ok.. if the Cubs make the playoffs, I’ll get myself a Tivo.

daeviant - August 17, 2008 reply

Al, thank you for starting to see some of the truth about Theriot.

It’s refreshing.

Softball Rules For The Riot, Too

No leading off first base until after the pitcher throws the ball!

sounds like a plan.

Weeks lost popup in the sun

1st & 2nd – 2 outs for the Dodgers

Bottom 4th

Ed Lynch

He was fired because he was crap at his job, and not because of any one incident.

Anyhow, how was he responsible for the decision to delay the start of a game? I thought that was up to the umpires.

Leon Durham - August 17, 2008 reply

"I Didn't Know Robin Ventura Wanted To Stay In Chicago"

When he said that the day after Ventura signed with the Mets (leaving us stuck with an overripe Gaetti), that’s when Eddie Baby should’ve been axed.

Eddie Baby should have never been hired to start with...

…and that falls on the shoulders of the blue blooded Captain of the Sweater Vest., McPhail

JB 23 - August 17, 2008 reply

Don't you mean MacFail

MacPhail Was More Loyal To His Philosophies Than The Cubs

When he first got to the Cubs, MacPhail should’ve realized the resources at his disposal and spent more for top talent. But instead he held the fans hostage with his fiscally responsible, “content to compete within the division” way of running things.

It’s like the T-shirt I once saw that said “YOUR FAILED BUSINESS MODEL IS NOT MY PROBLEM”.

Umpires decision after the first pitch has been thrown?

No, management is responsible up to the first pitch.

Yes, he wasn’t very good at his job. But that game was the last straw.

Is a cool million in ticket sales even that big of a deal?

Not that I have any figures in front of me, but it just doesn’t seem like a large dollar amount for a professional sports team.

Remember, we're talking about 1999...

… payrolls and ticket prices were far different nine years ago.

i say...

i wanna beat the dbacks, marlins, and…..heck, the white sox in the postseason!!!

you know...

to get all the monkeys off our back all at once

dude.

isn’t the postseason itself enough of a monkey? do we really need a gorilla instead? LOL

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

why not do it in extreme dramatic fashion?

b/c Cubs in October is dramatic enough for me

if we can get 11 I don’t care if they come against Dominican Summer League as long as they count.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

haha, thats great!

i will, like you, take them ANYWAY we can get em

+1

Angel Guzman's rehab start in Iowa today:

3 IP/ 0 ER/3 K/1 BB/1 H

Looking good. Al, you ready to admit that he could pitch in the majors this year?

That's nice to hear.

Who knows…maybe he’ll be one of the September callups after all.

Bet he will be.

i just hope we aren't rushing him.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

His injury history definitely is concerning, but he's looking quite strong.

he just had TJ last august

they rushed Carpenter back and he’s hurt again.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love for ANYONE to come up and contribute, I just don’t want us to rush someone and risk losing him for even longer.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

Agreed, but Carpenter's value to the Cards is a little different

than Guzman and his value to this team. If we can get some quality outings from him in Sept, I’m all for it.

I know.

I am just counting on nothing from Guzman… so anything he does contribute is a huge bonus.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

Bullpen Duty?

That way his innings are limited…

Yeah, that seems to be where he'll end up if he gets the call.

Fielder GIDP

Middle of 5th, 3-1 Dodgers.

There are too many people complaining

I dont understand. Marmol did fine, and will be fine. Lee is a SICK SMART BALLPLAYER, and if I hear another person complain about him batting 3rd I am going to go nuts. That is a key spot in the lineup and hes playing just fine, not to mention his amazing glove. Just because he isnt going to hit 30+ HR doesnt mean he shouldnt be batting 3rd. Theriot with his OBP should be batting second. Thats where you put people who get on base all the time, but yes he needs to stop trying to steal bases. He does his job well. Soriano doesnt have a great glove but he hits like a mofo and sometimes makes up for his bad glove with his cannon arm. Our bench is sick, our coaching is the best I have ever seen in a Cubs uniform, our pitchers are all SICK (except Howry), our road record is now .500 and our home record is amongst the best. STOP COMPLAINING PEOPLE, I realize we are used to bitchin all the time about the Cubs, but not this year, EVERYTHING IS IN PLACE. We might only have one batter with 100 RBIs (Ramirez) and we had our super star out for 30+ games, but everyone is doing there part well where they are in the lineup. DONT FIX SOMETHING THAT ISNT BROKEN!!! GO CUBS!!! I am so excited being back in Chicago to go to this next homestand!

Suggestion for Sori

put “MOFO 12” on the back of his uni!

Feel better?

yes thank you

I was really happy then came on here and see complaints everywhere, I dont get it

Minor Quibbles, Nothing More

My only concern is that a Theriot baserunning gaffe or a Soriano misplay might cost us a game in the postseason, assuming we get that far.

yea,

complaining can be a little overbearing. wasnt in the game thread to hear it all. but, there are some issues that may need to be looked at.

Hope so.

no need to get all yell-y. We’re all in agreement: our “problems” are pretty good to have.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

and the players with less RBIs then usual is because we dont have just 1 star doing all the work. The bases are being cleared by someone new everyday, or everybody does it in 1 game, therefore the RBIs are being spread amongst the team

Some valid points, but understand that not everything is going to be sunshine and rainbows.

We’re on this site to have discussions and arguments about the Cubs, not just to praise them. This place wouldn’t be much fun if we couldn’t get together and have some good debates about our favorite team. We realize how well they’re playing, and are enjoying it, but that doesn’t preclude anyone from offering their opinions on the team or its players.

BTW, A guy with an OBP like Theriot’s would be best suited to leadoff, but since we know that won’t happen, it makes more sense to hit him 8th, in front of the pitcher.

Agree with you 100%

it is a place for great debate, but the thing is… some of these arguments are just because some people dont know how to look at things in a positive light sometimes, you know? and you are right about Theriot, I can see him in the 8 hole, but with Piniella’s amazing coaching decisions, I will trust his decision to keep Theriot there

i agree completely

we are in first place….28 games (i think) above .500….etc etc etc….stop complaining so much people and just be happy…..theriot runs the bases just fine for the most part……sori plays defense just a hair above average….marquis is a quality #5 starter…..lets stop focusing on the few negatives we have and celebrate the many positives we do have

Theriot runs the bases just fine?

Can you pass some of what you’re smoking?

okay keep complaining about the small stuff

i love debbie downers

pointing out that Riot has blunders on the basepaths

is NOT being a debbie downer. thats being honest.

Riot needs to either pick his spots better or just run less.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

oh please

we just came off (what i would call) a huge road series win…..i come on here and the discussion is ripping theriot for his poor baserunning

so yes that is being a debbie downer…..had his poor baserunning cost us the game, then fine rip him all you want, but we just WON….stop finding little things to complain about

i agree that we had a GREAT road trip

and i’m as positive as it gets, but saying “no pointing out flaws” is irritating.

on the whole, we have a good team. but there are flaws and it SHOULD be okay to point them out among fellow fans.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

Yet last night...

…you tell everyone to “chill out” when they complained about Fonzie’s pick off?

amen

so you think it's okay to be negative?

because I believe that was the point carmen was making, which I completely agree with. Just interesting that 5 minutes ago you were arguing the other side of the coin. Being a hypocrite doesn’t lend much credence to the things you say.

what are you talking about

bc carmen was not referring to me…..i wasn’t even on here last night……calm down haha

Carmen was getting on HBCG for telling people not to be negative,

the exact thing you were just telling me. Then you say “amen” to carmen’s comment? Makes sense.

amen that the guy made a good point

stop trying to start arguements

Seems like you're trying to start one

HBCG is usually about as positive as they come. There is nothing wrong with pointing out shortcomings in someone’s game.

Shanghai Badger - August 17, 2008 reply

+1

yeah

and its pretty hypocritical of me… but when they are names I’ve NEVER seen in game threads before who show up JUST to complain it pisses me off.

So yeah. I’m a hypocrit.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

Well, I don't frequent the game threads like I used to....

….but I was kind of shocked to see that from you after only a couple negative comments.

I was trying to nip it in the bud

but I should have just left it alone. Thats why I left when I did.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

He's developed a pattern of bad baserunning, and boneheaded plays in general.

It may not have affected the outcome of today’s game, but in the long run it does hurt the team to have a player constantly making baserunning mistakes like Theriot does. Obviously I’m thrilled with the roadtrip, and think this is a great team with great prospects for the rest of the season. That does not stop me from being able to critique problems that may eventually hurt the team.

debbie

downer

Since you read what I wrote, and that was your reply, then

you really must just be an idiot. No need for this conversation to continue, because clearly you have problems comprehending anything I write. Go play in the street.

easy easy easy sackings

no need to name call here

Just for added emphasis. But obviously, point taken.

Did you check out that link below?

californiachicagoan - August 18, 2008 reply

Hang on

isnt calling someone a “debbie downer” name calling? It certainly seems just as insulting.

You really think

calling someone an idiot and telling them to go play in the street are the same as calling someone a Debbie Downer?

again

what are you talking about…..this whole conversation started bc i made a comment that people need to chill out about the few problems we do have and to focus on the good things

my point was don’t be a debbie downer, not arguing about theriots poor base running so writing that was me making a point that despite having a good point, it still qualifies you as one

So, due to the fact that Ryan Theriot is a bad baserunner,

I’m a debbie downer. Got it. Let’s agree to stop talking about this now.

i didn't say that!

you’re now making statements that simply have no logic behind them…..i agree this conversation with someone like you is going nowhere

YOU focusing on theriots poor baserunning when we just had a huge win most certainly gives you the title of debbie downer

Al brought it up in his recap.

That’s why it was even being discussed. Go beef to him about it.

here's the difference btw you and him

sure he made good points about theriot being a crappy baserunner, which is fine bc ultimately he comes to the the conclusion that “no harm” was done……he’s not a debbie downer like you

he (like we all do) realizes theriots got something to work on, but does he dwell on it? no….BIG DIFFERENCE

I wouldn't dwell on it if he didn't do it all the time.

ugh

You both have good points

but you’re both coming at this the wrong way. Yes, ALWAYS pointing out negative things IS a downer, but saying “hey this guy needs to improve this aspect” is not. So I guess it just depends on how you’re reading Sackings. I don’t see him as being a downer just a “hey I don’t like that part of this game but man am i glad we won”.

Deep breathes. Everything is FINE.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

agreed.

read my above comment

we’re on the same page…..my point is don’t dwell on the negatives when we have so much to celebrate

I agree completely

I just don’t see why you’re still coming across so snippy.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

this was from today.. I think its snarky.

Since you read what I wrote, and that was your reply, then
you really must just be an idiot. No need for this conversation to continue, because clearly you have problems comprehending anything I write. Go play in the street.

so confused

don’t know who is talking to who here

I think Madison replied in the wrong spot.

I think she was tyring to reply to Sackings asking where he was insulting.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

oh and just for the record

i am infact an idiot

not snippy

remember i’m the only one that seems to be happy about todays game haha

i'm THRILLED aobut todays game

that was a great game. Demps was fantastic. Rami was as clutch as usual. it was good.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

I am.

I think you are prolly right….. sackings makes some great points, he obviously knows quite a bit about baseball. Which is great, we are all here to discuss and learn.
but my problem is w/ the snarkiness of the other comments he makes. There is no need to tell someone to go play in the street.

You're right, that was wrong of me to say.

I like your way of looking at things

Sackings just sounds a lot meaner then he probably is, we all like to get our points across, and some of us are more stuborn then others. I am one of those people I am sure, but I like your way of looking at things as well. The positives of Theriot outweigh the negatives of Theriot… same for Sori and same for Lee, not to sure about fukudome though, but well see

Don't mean to come across like that, I apologize if I do.

And I agree with you about Lee and Soriano, because they are both valuable offensive players, and defensive in Lee’s case. We’ll agree to disagree on Theriot.

I dont think you come off like that personally

I just wanted to let some people know that just because you disagree doesnt mean your are trying to kick their ass or anything… haha

+1

It’s called a “difference of opinion” for a reason. Some just feel the need to keep arguing, like they’re finally going to “convert” the other person into agreeing with them. That rarely happens. LOL.

I think discussing Theriot here is much like

religion and politics. :)

+10

lol and... yep

but then, I like discussing religion and politics

so d-lee hits into alot of

DP’s. should we bench him?? no, it is a downfall of his game. quit making his one downfall make him sound like someone who hurts the team, and doesnt contribute

Theriot has a lot more than 1 downfall.

dude,

what is your hate for theriot? i havent heard anything bad about him until yesterday, when he got CS again. maybe Lou shouldnt put the steal sign on, esp in that situation. maybe theriot doesnt want to steal.

Preacherman, let's agree to disagree about this one.

No need to rehash the Theriot argument. Some people like him, some people don’t, and we’re not gonna convince eachother otherwise.

+1

agreeto disagree...

it just gets old having the same convo, and then you say to drop it, whjen you brought it up

I clearly wasn't dropping it above, I just didn't think we needed to have it again.

But since you asked, sure. Here’s my problem with Theriot’s baserunning. He constantly makes egregious baserunning gaffes, and has shown no signs that he’s getting better at it. Here’s a link: http://www.wrigleyville23.com/2008/08/tootblans-finally-catalogued-for.html

Ok, now let’s talk about other things wrong with him. He can’t field worth a damn, he gets to NOTHING outside of his fielding zone, and his arm is about as strong as a 5 yr old girl.

Now lets talk about his power, or lack thereof. All he does is hit singles. That’s it. Theriot will never really drive in runs, because he simply isn’t capable of it. All he’s good for is some empty OBP.

In conclusion, Ryan Theriot is a scrappy singles hitter who plays horrible defensively, runs the bases like Arnie from What’s Eating Gilbert Grape, and can’t get to second base. I’m happy to not drop it, and defend my point of view.

wow dude

you totally took his comment the wrong way……..

and yet, despite all of this...

We’re still 28 games over .500.

Yep, and it's been a great season.

I know many of you won’t agree with me about Theriot, and that’s fine. We’re all here to express our differing opinions, that’s what makes this place great.

P.S…. imagine how much further up we could be with a real SS :-}

Saying anything about Theriot:

can open… worms EVERYWHERE.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

sad part is, i'm not even a huge theriot fan

my original arguement had nothing to do with his abilities and it turned into this haha

I'm going to sit back here

and watch the games begin :D

you missed it

you are about half an hour late.

Theriot is bcb version of

religion and politics… everyone has an opinion and rarely will anyone chance theres.

more than marquis?

good point

Theriot and Marquis are like discussing politics and religion.

better???

agreed 100%

I knew that was coming...

..or if Howry pitching was better.
…or if DWard had more PH’s
…or if Marquis was better
…or if Marmol wouldn’t have had a mid season collapse.
….etc etc etc

Hell, we’d be 124-0!!!!

Now that's what I'm talking about!

This team should clearly be 173-0 when all is said and done.

and someone would still find something to complain about

oh.no.I.did.not.just.step.into.this

Even Michael Phelps and his coach said they had things they could have done better. Go figure!

there's always room

for improvement. I don’t think any serious athlete would ever say anything different.

you're right carmen we suck

theriot sucks at running

dlee sucks at not grounding into dp’s

aramis sucks at sliding

waaaah waaaaahhh……debbie downer

This is why this argument continues.

I constantly defend Lee, because I think he gets too much grief for his DP’s. I love Aramis, and don’t complain about anything with him. He’s a great player. So build up your strawmen, and I will continue to burn them. I do think Theriot sucks at running, however.

haha

this is why i think you are looking for an arguement

i wasn't even talking to you

i was responding to carmen and continuing what they said and you get all personal and start talking about “buring my strawmen”

aramis sucks at sliding? did you really think i was being serious that someone said that?!?!

Saying I'm burning your fake arguments

is not getting personal. Do you know what a strawman argument is?

replace personal with defensive

wrong word

and no i have no clue what the strawman argument means, could you PLEASE explain it to me

here I thought I broker a peace deal

have at it boys…. I give up

hey

can we stop this? please?

Sackings is snarky. You’re obviously convinced he’s a downer.

Thats fine. But we WON. Can we not do this anymore? Please?

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

Group Hug Time!!!!

lmao, sounds good

plus cubbiegirl is a feisty one

don’t know if we’d want to her mad. so made a truce is in order.

sorry,

i just like theriot. so im gonna defend him. if he wants to point out all the bad things about one person, let him, all the while EVERYONE has something that they could probably work on…no one on this team is perfect. think of the bad stuff this could do to the clubhouse if we put cedeno in as a starter…it might split the clubhouse

Since it was asked.

All the bad things about Ryan Theriot:

Baserunning
Defense
Hitting for extra bases

He can’t pitch, either, if anyone was wondering.

could he coach third base? :P

as long as he doesn't have to get there from second...

Is there another team in the division lead with this type of shortstop?

Let’s look at ’em (AL 5 teams with tie in central):

Tampa – Jason Barlett, .266 BA/.304 OBP/.321 SLG
Sox – Orlando Cabrera, .270/.325/.350
Twins – Brendan Harris, .263/.322/.389
Angels – Erick Aybar, .280/.319/.388
BoSox – Julio Lugo, .268/.355/.330

NL:

Brewers – J.J. Hardy, .276/.337/.462
Mets – Jose Reyes, .305/.363/.492
DBacks – Stephen Drew, .281/.323/.481
Cubs – Ryan Theriot, .316/.396/.372

I know you can kill me in the stats deparment, cwyers, but I’m just sayin…Theriot’s offensive numbers aren’t that off from most of the AL guys, especially those who’s teams lead the division or wild card. We don’t have a Hanley or Tejada or Rollins at short, sure, but we do have a hellava wins with him on the field.

Dan

californiachicagoan - August 18, 2008 reply

Well, that leaves out defense and baserunning

Tampa – Jason Barlett, .266 BA/.304 OBP/.321 SLG 18SB/5CS
Sox – Orlando Cabrera, .270/.325/.350 18/3
Twins – Brendan Harris, .263/.322/.389 1/1
Angels – Erick Aybar, .280/.319/.388 6/2
BoSox – Julio Lugo, .268/.355/.330 12/4

NL:

Brewers – J.J. Hardy, .276/.337/.462 2/1
Mets – Jose Reyes, .305/.363/.492 40/12
DBacks – Stephen Drew, .281/.323/.481 3/1
Dodgers – Furcal, .366/..448/.597 8/2
Cubs – Ryan Theriot, .316/.396/.372 18/13

So all the NL guys out OPS Ryan, and all the AL guys (but one) out run him. They have at least 3/1 stolen base ratios, where Ryan has less than half that success rate. The only guy I would say he definitely has better all around numbers than is Harris, and he isnt even an everyday SS. He spends half his time at 2b.

And we havent even factored in D yet. Ryan has the 2nd lowest range factor of all qualified SS, and 3rd lowest zone rating.

I like Ryan. I appreciate hustle. I’m glad to have him on the team. He is good at putting the bat on the ball, and his increased walks are a godsend. He also has no range, no arm, no power, and has had a perplexing bad year stealing bases this year.

He has good and bad, and if Onedec had continued his nice start to the year, he should have taken over or at least be given more time at short. However, with the reappearance of Cedeno, Ryan’s job is safe in my mind.

The idea of replacing Soriano with Theriot at the leadoff seems like a big mistake. Espcially given the possibility that Fonzie has his wheels back. .900 OPS or .767? 12/1 SB/CS (in 350 PA) or 18/13 (in 500 PA)? I think those outweigh the .340 to .396 OBP advantage that Ryan has.

Maybe it's our

fault and we jinxed Cedeno by calling him Onedec when he had that nice turn around. I’m not a superstitious person but…..

Jinxed him how?

He’s still a superior player to Theriot.

sackings108 - August 18, 2008 reply

It was a joke.

Having a sense of humor on here will get you along way.

mike was right.

sackings108 - August 18, 2008 reply

the thing is

Theriot is a bad base stealer…. I agree, but explain the bad base running? And seriously guys the man makes $390,000 and is significantly better at OBP then anyone on the Cubs… 390, frickin, 000 dollars!!!!! in MLB!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.wrigleyville23.com/2008/08/tootblans-finally-catalogued-for.html

Go here:

That enough bad baserunning for you?

ok ok

Thank you for that, I really did want to see something like that, I still think his positives out weigh the negatives, but your point was proven very well… thank you

no problem.

sackings108

this is the second day in a row you are here insulting people. Is there a reason you can’t prove your point with out insults?

who did I insult yesterday?

And today, I called cubswynn an idiot, and immediately admitted it was wrong.

you didnt

you just are giving your opinions… hence a BLOG thread

Someone asked a question about what happened in the game so far

You got all snarky told them to check out gameday for the update…………… Sue commented that we are all here to learn things.

sue is the man

or wait… the WOman

my exact comment was:

“check gameday”

Is that an insult?

Sackings...CubsWynn....HalfblindCubbieGirl

We know how this works… this is a never ending argument that has been going on since atleast I have been a member of this site and probabyl before…. lets just scroll down to the bottom of this page on move onto another convo

fine

but only if we declare me the winner of the arguement…..agreed? okay done

I like Theriot fine.

I love that he loves the game and plays hard. I just wish he’d run smarter. Thats it to me really.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

it's just a guy looking to argue

I'm not looking to argue at all. I expressed disappointment

with Theriot’s continuing failure as a baserunner, and you jumped all over me for it. I didn’t want to argue, just express my opinion.

Ethier solo bomb

4-1 Dodgers

Still 4-1 Dodgers, End of 5

Clutch Cubs

Doesn’t it seem that this years team wins the big series or game. Four game sweep of the Brewers, Series win over the Cardinals, Series win over the Marlins(on the road). I believe that is a good sign for our October possibilities.

Imtrejo - August 17, 2008 reply

Great Win

Was cleaning out a basement workwrom all afternoon, but got to hear Pat during the 8-run 7th. Even the dirtiest jobs (lots of mouse poop to deal with) are tolerable when the Cubs win.

We May Have A Mouse, Too

Our dogs have been sniffing along the baseboards like crazy, and my wife said she saw some mouse drops on the counter this morning.

Peanut butter

on a snap trap – works like a charm for me.

Mice

We’ve caught several in the kitchen. Peanut butter on snap trap workd for us to. But I had no idea how bad the situation was in the basement workroom. Also, we have three cats in our house. I feel like DFAing the lot of them. Only kidding. We love our kiddies, monor-league mousers though they may be.

LOL

Lemme guess, their names are Howry, Eyre, and Marquis!

Two of them

to the SPCA for a kittie to be named later?

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/09/mouse_trap.php

There are more humane ways of catching mice.

Why make them suffer?

Bump Bailey - August 17, 2008 reply

We thought we had a mouse

so we set a live trap…. and caught a sugar glider.

Still have no idea where it came from.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

What's a Sugar Glider?

Hopefully not bigger than a mouse!

Our guy

looks like this.

He’s a cutie… but really? We have no idea where he came from.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

I have never seen

one of those before. He’s kind of cute though.

wierd beast...

Wow, Never Seen One of Those!

Snap traps are out…the missus says they’re too cruel.

we used a live trap w/ peanut butter inside.

was really easy. $20 from the local TSC.

And snap traps are cruel.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

I disagree

Quick and effective. Glue traps are cruel.

+1

I started doing catch and release. However, the mice play were playing, catch, release—and return.

In LA, the small critters are still rats,not mice.

So we go with snap traps w/peanut butter. Once the “rat-proofing” of the house has been violated, it is us v them. So we have no choice but the industrial strength traps. I am anti-violence, but I also don’t want anything to hurt my dogs.

Rat Zapper Ultra with a Rat Tail

No blood. Highly recommended.

Put a couple of pieces of dog food pellets (included) inside the trap, place the opening up against a wall, and leave it until the red light comes on.

Just make sure to check for the red light often. If you leave a dead rodent in there too long, the maggots take over and the smell is terrible.

There's something sublime...

…about the last two sentences of this post.

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/09/mouse_trap.php

You can also save money and make your own...very easy too.

Bump Bailey - August 17, 2008 reply

A look ahead.

Cincy and then Washington at home. Two last place teams for the next six games, time to put some wins on the board here and put even more distance between the Cubs and the Brewers/Cards. Both those two teams, however, are playing “bad” teams at home as well… might have to settle for where things end up for the day, only burning off six games off the schedule.

drMeth - August 17, 2008 reply

although the astros have been pretty good lately

cubs ftw - August 17, 2008 reply

all we need to do is win.

THEY have to catch up.

Yep

as long as the cubs are winning, all the brewers/cards can do is keep pace.

This is “take care of business” time.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

They better be planning

on winning more than 100 because that is the only way they are catching the Cubs.

the brewers and the cards are playing for the WC, and they know it.

MID 6TH

Still 4-1 Dodgers

Jinx

pinch poke you owe me a Coke :)

i haven't heard that in AGES

lol

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

Mid 6th, Still 4-1 Dodgers

Kendall grounds out

CubsBall2202 - August 17, 2008 reply

Dodgers in business

2nd & 3rd – 1 out

FAIL

Stranded

K looking and deep flyout

Braun, A Horrible OF, Makes A Running Catch

End of 6th, 4-1 Dodgers.

The LF Defense in the NL Central is horrible.

It actually got a little better now that Duncan got hurt and Dunn was traded.

I don't think Fonzie is "horrible"

definitely not Braun level anyway. He is brutal.

Fonzie at least has the arm and speed to make up for some of his less than stellar routes.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

I just meant overall. Fonzie makes up for his pathetic attempts to play the ball with his great arm, no doubt.

I have to take more naps

When the Marlins went up 2-0 and had men on the corners with one out , I got nervous
turned off the TV and took literal cat nap. I turned it back on and it was 5-2 Cubs with bases loaded two out and RJ at the plate. I wish I could do this every time the Cubs are down.

FYI the most disgusting non rain RAIN out of all time was a few years ago when King George of the Yankees did not like the starting pitcher and the Yanks had a day game on Lou Gehrig Day. They even had Teresa Wright the actress who played Eleanor there as part of a pre-game ceremony. WELL THE GAME WAS CALLED after the ceremony but not A DROP of rain fell the ENTIRE day and the pitcher ( I forget who) had his start skipped. The Yankees claimed radar showed it was GOING to rain ? The tens of thousands of fans who were at the game got their money back but it was despicable and the Yankees should have been fined.

Doggie Stalker - August 17, 2008 reply

yay for cubbie highlights on sportscenter

:-)

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

Larry & Z

Al……..About 12:15 – an hour and 15 min. b4 the game Larry did a bullpen session with Z I was about 10 feet away. I couid hear some of the conversation which had to do with downward plane and arm slot, staying on top of the ball. He sure looked better then when I saw him friday and I had a good viewpoint from in back of the plate about 10 row up……………..I have some pictures ….. but hey I am not a PC genius
don’t know how to cut & paste them into this site……………….

nimblenikelfoos - August 17, 2008 reply

are they on a digital camera?

On a digital

a couple of good shots of Larry & Z

nimblenikelfoos - August 17, 2008 reply

so if you got them on your computer, you can just go to tinypic.com and upload them,

then copy the “html for websites” link, and paste it into a comment here. The picture will appear like magic!

Please do this, nimblenikelfoos...

… you could make a fanpost about them. That’d be very informative.

Glad to hear that they’re working on the issue.

thanks for the tinypic tip sackings... didn't know about that one

Good To Hear

Nice detective work!

nice work

the shot of the dugout

was pretty cool, love seeing the players get just as excited as the fans……

couple things i noticed

lou had almost no reaction, which i’m amazed at…..don’t know if i could ever be that calm during a cubs game

and when rammy was sitting on second after the double, he looked like he was trying to play it cool and act like it was no big deal……so he looked like he was avoiding eye contact with the dugout, then when he finally did looked into the dugout he got this huge grin on his face haha….love it

OT Question:

When do they call a baseball game a tie? In this article w/ Woody theres this quote:

The Cubs entered Sunday’s game at 75-48, their best mark through 123 games since the 1969 team was 77-45-1. The Cubs have been better than 75-48 just twice in the last 70 seasons, also doing so in 1945. But they’re not going to win every game.

When does a game get called a tie?

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

When it's called on account of darkness

Ah. Thanks.

I kept seeing tie counts in the “best starts” box but never knew who or where to ask what was up with that. :-)

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

The rules have been changed in the last couple of years...

… to avoid ties. In the past, many games were called for darkness (which is why you see more ties in the years pre-lights). After lights, you might see games called by rain which were tied at the time and beyond 5 innings.

Now, any such game (that’s tied and they give up due to rain) has to be suspended. There won’t be any more tie games.

The last Cubs tie was May 28, 1993 vs. the Expos.

1-2-3 inning

MID 7th

Dodgers 4-1

Ethier Doubles

And that great OF defense by the Brewers rears its ugly head again

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

5-1 Dodgers!

Manny does it again!

Ramirez rbi single, 5-1 dodgers

CubsBall2202 - August 17, 2008 reply

Chip Caray

“I think its disgraceful that he [Ron Santo] isn’t in the hall of fame, hopefully the veteran’s committee will fix that”

:-)

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

Did he shout at innapropriate times while he said it?

Only then will I believe Chip Caray made that statement…

In all seriousness though, Ronnie deserves it, and I hope he’s in soon, while he’s living.

They were talking about Dodgers' pitcher Johnson whos a diabetic

and how impressive it is that Ronnie could do what he did without the new medical technology.

It was really classy.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

"BELTED!"

The ultimate Chip-ism.

SWUNG ON BELTED!!!!

Deep left center, the LF looks up and its GONE!!!!!

How about

“leathered larceny”

"dandy little glove man

yea unfortunatly it probably wont happen until he dies

Its weird how that works, people get the respect they deserve after they arent even on earth to enjoy it… hopefully it is true that a spirit can see and enjoy things that are going on here on Earth after they are gone, because it is a shame that people like Ron Santo cant enjoy the praise and respect they deserve while they are still alive

Mid 8th

5-1 Dodgers

Propitiously Al? Really?

Thanks, now my head hurts.

Mapmaker - August 17, 2008 reply

I am so hungry, I think its peanut butter jelly time

5-1 Dodgers heading into the 9th

:-)

We’re 3 outs away from a 5.5 game lead again.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

beautiful.

Dodgers win

:-)

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

This division is all but ours.

Oops.

i thought the game was over… it was just a pitching change. Stoopid TBS.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

Dammit I jinxed 'em.

2 & 3 1 out.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

Go Dodgers .. thank God their Ace Eric Gagne

is in the other bullpen ..

cubnational - August 17, 2008 reply

Hope we never face that Japanese pitcher LA has ..

.. that guy owned the Cubs last time we saw him .. it surely wasn’t pretty

cubnational - August 17, 2008 reply

I think

you’re referring to Saito, who’s on the DL.

I think he meant Kuroda, who shut us out.

Or chan ho park?

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

Hopefully

he wasn’t referring to Park, who’s Korean.

Josh Timmers - August 18, 2008 reply

Kuroda?

cubs ftw - August 17, 2008 reply

Asian Pitchers

Dodgers apparently have quite a few of them.

5-3 Dodgers 2 outs

Now we’re 1 strike away from a 5.5 lead.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

for real this time? :-}

Okay. Or not.

Tie game. Braun homers. 5-5.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

way to jinx it back there...

sorry

i was half watching it… it seemed like ti was over.. Torre went out and got the ball from Johnson and then went to commerical and then back tot he studio.. I assumed it was over. My bad. :embarassed:

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

5-5

Braun dinger. Chan Ho Park blows the save.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

poop

5-5

cubs ftw - August 17, 2008 reply

Unreal

camnorris14 - August 17, 2008 reply

RYAN BRAUN SUCKS

and besides he has weird looking buggy eyes

haha..

he does look like a bug.. either that, or he’s TERRIFIED constantly… maybe he just doesn’t have any eyelids… and he’s pretty darn good. i hate that he’s such a good hitter for the division rival, but i can’t say he sucks..

ThisIsResolute - August 18, 2008 reply

Understand That Bad Players Don't "Suck"

Typically I reserve my “you suck”s after an opposing player makes a great play, offensively or defensively. Or if the guy is flat out good. The guys that aren’t good typically don’t hurt the Cubs, so they don’t merit a “you suck” out of me.

CaliCub - August 18, 2008 reply

Braun

Game tying two run HR on 0-2 pitch with two outs in 9th.

Drill Him Next At-Bat

Then his side will REALLY hurt!

Wow. Am i glad we won today

this game would be driving me nuts otherwise. LOL.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

Hi, folks

Way to yip the 3-inch putt, Dodgers. Sheesh.

Braun

is unreal, But Hey Chan Ho how about throwing that spinning slider in the dirt WHEN YOU HAVE HIM 0-2!!!!!!!!!!!! Jeez.

He (Braun) Has A Bit Of The A-Hole In Him

the way he hot-dogs it around the bases.

I agree

I dislike the Brewers more than the Cards. Braun can rake, but an attitude. And whoever is agent is should be fired. Braun signed a ridiculously low ball contract, If I am no mistaken 5 years 14 million, something in that ballpark

think it was 8

years, wasn’t it?… not sure how many dollars… i wish someone would pay me millions of dollars to play the game i love.

ThisIsResolute - August 18, 2008 reply

8 years $45M is cheap by today's standards

Braun is signed through 2015. He is scheduled to make only $12M in the final year of his contract. That will be pennies on a dollar by 2015.

His agent: is Nez Balelo of Paragon Sports, who also represents NYY pitcher Philip Hughes.

flachimesa - August 18, 2008 reply

4 run 9th?

e-gad

It'll just make

the walk-off all the more dramatic and satisfying :-)

and crushing for the crew

Oh, yeah!

Psychic powers—I haz them.

Loney got a double error

and then Park hanged a slider on an 0-2 pitch.

Glad we’re in first and not trying to play catch up.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

what was the quote by santo ....

when your in first it looks like 8 minutes and in 2nd eight miles?

wouldnt that be the same

if your driving 60 mph, lol jk

Al had it the other day

“When you’re 8 games in first it looks like 8 inches, when you’re 8 games behind it looks like 8 miles.”

I think that was it.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

That makes more sense

that makes way more sense

hence why I agreed w/ the being in first comment

Let's see the Dodgers walk off

in the bottom of the 29th inning. Brewers fly back to Milwaukee after the game and are home tomorrow night.

OK I'll take bottom of the 9th

2-run HR by Ethier.

90 feet down

270 to go

Dang, you could play handball

off Fielder’s back

there's your walk off!

Goat Whisperer - August 17, 2008 reply

Love it!

…umm…we don’t play the Dodgers any more in the regular season, right?

We are done with the NL West in general

NOW

the dodgers win!!

2 run walk off!

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

I gotcher walk-off

…right here, boy!

MWAH HAHAHAHAHA!!!

DODGERS WIN!!!

I Love LA

We love it!

08Cubs - August 17, 2008 reply

In Randy Newman we trust

Randy Newman

wrote a song that said “Short people have no reason to live” and everyone thought he was serious. Then he wrote a song that said “I love LA” and everyone thought he was joking.

Josh Timmers - August 18, 2008 reply

I love Randy Newman

and his ambiguous I Love LA

Amazed to discover that I do too!

Emelie - August 18, 2008 reply

You do?

Really? I haven’t been to LA in seven years, used to go often when my grandmother was alive (she died in 2001). Haven’t been back. Haven’t missed it.

Al Yellon - August 18, 2008 reply

I do

It’s the pan asian, north-south demographic mix that I find fascinating, alongside the high-low culture. Because of this It’s an uniquely American city. It has it’s downsides, to be sure (not least celebrity worship), but overall, it’s the LA cultural amalgam that I find most intriguing.

Emelie - August 18, 2008 reply

It Can Be A Very Shallow Place

More emphasis placed on style over substance, and the facade over the underlying structure. Sort of an “impress me, or get out of my way” attitude. But once you look around enough and discover people who are real, then it’s not too bad a place to live.

CaliCub - August 18, 2008 reply

yes!

Charlemagne - August 17, 2008 reply

wow

The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street - August 17, 2008 reply

Woo-Hoo!!!!

I love seeing this!

Ha ha...that's pretty cool.

GOOD

andif you listen closely...

you can hear fielder sigh and pass gas

200 birds

lose their lives in the blast

new smog alert in L.A. because of fielder's wind job

zevkalman - August 17, 2008 reply

...and then reach over and smack Manny Parra upside the head.

5.5 up on Brewers. 7.5 up on cards.

and a well deserved off day. :-)

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

yes!

since that game is done, who would like to discuss theriots baserunning skills?

lol

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

I'd rather discuss the suckage of Bob Howry...

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

i was kidding!!!!!!

Marquis as a 5th starter?

how about marquis salary?

You would think Lou would be speaking with Theriot today about it.

zevkalman - August 17, 2008 reply

welcome to the thread

you must have missed the very interesting dicussion we had earlier

and by interesting i mean

the same 4 points were made about 98 times

You mean the one with sackings? :-)

Where is he, btw?

zevkalman - August 17, 2008 reply

yes that one

he saw some happy kids so he had to go bum them out

Oh my...

..not gonna let it go, huh? LOL

(And I’m literally laughing out loud!)

lol never!

or wondering

why he keeps putting the steal sign on

gasp...

u did it…sackings shows up like a genie that had his lamp rubbed!

poof

well, my first wish is for him to go away, lol

he hasn't been posting, so i'll take credit for that i guess

your my new favorite person on here!!! lol

nice, i will take it

preacherman

your not insulted by my comparision of the Theriot and Marquis debates to politics and religion are you? B/c that would be the last thing I’d want to do

as his new #2

i’m gonna say no….he doesn’t seem that sensitive

I figured that... but I wanted to be respectful and check.

there are lots of other examples out of there one could use otherwise. those are just the common ones

by the way, how do you feel about abortion?

Seinfield reference? lol

I think him not replying to your message says it all, Madison

other he's so offended he's not speaking to her

or its just not a big issue.:-P

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

prolly

you offended a preacher on Sunday...shame shame

its cool,

i had to take off quick, i was almost late to church…lol

your cool

not insulted at all...

but id rather discuss theriot and marquis while on here, lol

Yeah, that always works out well.

Generally it goes like this:

Con: Theriot sucks at running the bases.

Pro: …shut the hell up!

Not a whole lot of “discussion” there.

Where have you seen that sort of argument?

I admit, there have been less than logical arguments in favor of Theriot, but not like that.

it tends to be on the order of

“look at his batting average!”

Pretty much this whole thread.

Calling people “Debbie Downers” because they question Ryan Theriot’s ability to steal bases (when to be quite frank it sure feels like an open-and-shut case of “he’s not very able”) doesn’t really feel like a discussion.

My personal favorite response was

sorry,

i just like theriot. so im gonna defend him. if he wants to point out all the bad things about one person, let him, all the while EVERYONE has something that they could probably work on…no one on this team is perfect. think of the bad stuff this could do to the clubhouse if we put cedeno in as a starter…it might split the clubhouse

honestly

I’m not even sure what that means.

Obviously the poster has inside knowledge

about the deep rut in the clubhouse that would be a result of a better player taking over the SS job. Could this be the guy who works for Ryan Theriot?

What really annoys me is, all the way through September last year, the offseason, spring training...

….we heard about how Cedeno couldn’t possibly be our starting shortstop, because of his “low baseball IQ” and lack of fundamental play. Now that Theriot is exhibiting a low baseball IQ and bad fundamental play, we’re supposed to ignore all of that because he’s producing, and we’re supposed to use a narrow definition of producing that’s tailored to what Ryan Theriot is good at.

But he has a high OBP!

look how dirty his uni gets!

I heard his heart is ten times the size of a normal man's!!

which explains why

there’s no muscle in his arms! :{

LOL

alright...

you guys wanna call me out on my post??
Theriot has a better fielding percentage than cedeno at shortstop (source (baseball reference.com) given, theriot has obviously gotten ALOT more play there…but in his limited play, he still hasnt shown lou that he is head and shoulders a better option, as you have said. and the CS problem…if he is so horrible, why does lou give him the greenlight? when you have such a great lineup batting after him.

also…i think that it was pretty jerky to say that just because i said something, that i have “inside information”, and “inside knowledge”. i think that it would be pretty safe to say that alot of players might be torn about who should be the starting SS. it COULD be an issue!
cedeno is not that much of a better, if at all, than theriot. he might steal bases at a better rate. (but he only has 4sb, 1 cs) but i think that this could be fixed, or at least brought to acceptable with theriot.

Theriot was a respectable 28 of 32 SB last year

Something’s just not clicking with his wheels this year

Yah...but.....

How many hits get thru the left side when the riot is out there that ONEDEC might likely make a play on?

This debate reminds me of SNK Baseball Stars

where some players have higher ratings in hitting (batting average), batting (power/home runs), running (base running speed) and defense (defensive running and throwing skills).

There were also luck and “prestige points” or money points.

flachimesa - August 18, 2008 reply

YAY DODGERS!!!!!!!!

Who hit the walk off?

Who was pitching for the Suds?

Eithier

I dunno who was on the bump.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

Villenueva(sp?)

Either hit the walk off

Charlie Newhouse!

Confirmed

Ethier off Villanueva

hey hey HBCG :)

How about them Cubs today!

:-)

Great job from Demps don’t ya think? :-)

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

Yep

CY Dempster? we’ll see

to think I thought him in the starting rotation was a mistake

You and me both

I thought it was disaster waiting to happen.

Waiter? Another helping of crow, please?

I'll take a helping of that crow as well

i know

i was unsure whether he’d be any good… but he’s got WAY better stuff than I ever realized.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

This is why I like our Cubs

Bullpen, minus Howrys ups and downs, mostly downs, Cubs have a solid pen, and the Brewers don’t

We have the deepest pitching the bigs I think.

Some teams may be better at the front or back ends, but we have the most quality arms, I think.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

I agree

sometimes I have to keep myself in check and not get to over confident, but this is the best pitching the Cubs have had since I been a fan since 1970

Only 1.5 groaners in the bunch

hard to complain

1989 Cub Pitching Was Decent

Team ERA around 3.4, no?

Still I dig what you’re saying re: 1970. Four very reliable and durable starters, unlike the 1984 staff that all hit the DL the following year and the brittle front end of the 2003-2004 rotation.

Name more than 4 pitchers from that team....

off the top of your head w/o looking it up…..

Game On!

1970: Fergie Jenkins, Kenny Holtzman, Bill Hands, Milt Pappas, Joe Decker, Phil Regan, Larry Gura, Jim Colborn, Ted Abernathy
1984: Rick Sutcliffe, Steve Trout, Dennis Eckersley, Scott Sanderson, Dick Ruthven, Lee Smith, Tim Stoddard, Warren Brusstar, Rich Bordi
1989: Greg Maddux, Rick Sutcliffe, Mike Bielecki, Steve Wilson, Paul Kilgus, Calvin Schiraldi, Mitch Williams

I thought Les Lancaster

Piched all innins not pitched by wild thing, madddux, Sutcliffe or Bielecki

Is it wrong to find pleasure

In seeing the Red Sox get thier punkasses kicked 15-4?

Nah, it's ok

i was at Fenway a couple of weeks ago for a game. they are all reallll cocky over there now. they’re all look, “ooh look at us, we won the world series”, yada yada,

they also have the audacity to have a sign there that says “Welcome to Fenway Park, AMERICA’S MOST BELOVED BALLPARK”

what??

also, that place is old and decrepit. it makes Wrigley Field look like the Space Shuttle.

Im no Yankee fan

But Ill tell you this….

Im so sick of the Yankees/Red Sox crap.

+1 googol

that actual spelling of "googol" has been quite long forgotten!

And it's my job

as a math teacher, to never let it be forgotten :-)

My job is done here…(rides off into the sunset)

really?

i find the whole thing fascinating.

And it makes me appreciate our rivals (the cards) much more. At least we can hate the other team w/o being jackasses about it.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

The Red Sox are like dirt poor people that just won the lottery (twice)

… and don’t know how to handle it…

as opposed to, myself, who, around October 30, 2008, will celebrate the Cubs Championship with a quiet dignity consisting of a 3 week binge of arson, cocaine, champagne, tequilla, high priced hookers, major damage to several hotel rooms, after which I will emerge sometime around Thanksgiving, still, with a huge grin on my face.

Me...it'll be that long until

I pick my jaw off the floor from the shock of the Cubs winning it all.

I Will Finally Be Able To Watch The Cubs In Peace

No pacing around, no slamming the TV when they lose, no worrying about what the Cards and Brewers are up to, and no more agonizing over why things happened the way they did in 2003, 1984, 1969….

I just want

the commemorative DVD to watch. Over and over and over and over.

I'm still watching super bowl XX

That was the lasst one, wasn't it?

we should hook up

daily2b - August 18, 2008 reply

DODGERS WIN!

OH NO!! What would ESPN do

If The Yankees AND Red Sox miss the playoffs?

they will have no more baseball tonight!

Probably become ESPN Classic 2

and show reruns of Boston or Skankees matchups

ugh.

they’d focus on the cubs… which i think would be awful. I LIKE flying under the radar and being expected to win day to day.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

I doubt that

Probably the Dodgers…. who Id love to see win the NL West btw.

Arizona scares me

I hate the short series...

but no one really scares me. Z/Harden/Demps thats a pretty good 3 headed monster.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

yep

Nice to see road wins and comebacks too. I’m feeling good right now

Anyone interested In chatting?

Im not doing much tonight Id love to chat up some baseball if your interested:

IM ME on AIM at ChicagoCubs316
or Galvan316 on yahoo..

Id love to hear from ya!

"Anyone" meaning "halfblindcubbiegirl", of course.

Let the record show

That carmen fanzone made that comment

just tell me I'm wrong...hahaha.

yikes i'm so creeped out right now

Why because I asked people to im me?

Doesnt make much sense to me

no but the way you guys were talking about halfblind

as if she wouldn’t hear it…..nevermind

don't worry

she can only sort of read. :-P

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

I tend more to giggle at it then be creeped out

but I am also guessing being female has something to do with that.

Ah, the internet

Where the men are men, the women are men, and really cute teenagers are FBI agents

nice

It's not creepy, cubswynn

Galvan doesn’t hide his love for HBCG

my mother always said

if you love ‘em, you gotta tell ’em….and i haven’t heard that yet

Did you mother stutter?

over my head

or you missed on that one

you put "my mother said" twice...

…without anything after it….

or my computer is hiccuping…

yah i have no idea what you're talking about

must be your puter

yep, it was...

just refreshed…..D’oh

talk about my mother again

and you’ll get the sackings treatment!

LOL

i might be around on yahoo later… but frankly I’m probably going to avoid the computer most of the night.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

and by "computer" she means "galvan"

Just kidding you two lovebirds!!! :) (Suddenly in a real silly mood, must be that full game we just gained!)

lol

yay for a silly carmen. much better than grumpy carmen…:-)

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

true dat

plus I like the fact we’re facing the Reds and Nats this week….. :)

Yep. The Reds w/o Adam Dunn too.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

And no Griffey

And no Volquez

Do we miss Volquez?

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

Believe so

He hasn't been as near as dominating the 2nd half..

…but we’ll take it.

Confirmed

He pitched today, so we won’t see him in this series

awesome

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

And even better

we face Arroyo

Who all do we get?

Cueto, Arroyo and?

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

Fogg?

Harang

I didnt think that was pretty nice :(

Im just kinda lonely, and wanted to chat with some Cubs fans

just teasing ya, Galvan...

awww poor galvan

sorry, really didn't mean it like that

Its not you.

I just need to save my eyes. Too much computer time = migraines.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

I can relate to that

I was just looking for peeps to chat with…. If you imed me cool…. But I was just looking for someone to chat with.

I know.

I just wanted you to know it wasn’t personal.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

if this is rude, i apologize

but halfblind, what does your name mean?

she's an umpire

lol!

BOOM, BABY!

LOL!

not rude.

I’m legally blind in my left eye & blind in my right eye.

I only put it in my screen name b/c I have a tendency to make blind jokes and the last board I was on I got flamed for “being mean to blind people” and frankly it was irritating.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

ah....i was always curious

yep.

no problem.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

Do You Use a Voice-Prompt Computer

that verbalizes the content for you?

I do have a screen reader

but for the most part its a bigger hassle than its worth for me. I use large print & reading glasses.

I see decently enough out of my left eye to read.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

Sounds Good

I wondered myself

I kind of wondered myself and thank you for telling us.

an interesting fanpost would be where did you pick your screen name

we talk to each other all the time. something simple like that I’ve ponder on many occosions.

that'd be a fun off day thread.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

My real name is Carmen Fanzone

I played for the Cubs in the early 70’s.

Okay, not really...

….I started watching the Cubs in the 70’s as a kid and picked one of the more unfamous players that I can remember. It was between this and Tom Dettore.

my license plate is soon to be

cubswyn (since cubswin was already taken)

not sure why i added an extra n to this, i think cubswyn was taken already

You could try

CUB5WIN or CU65WIN or CUBSW1N

Just a thought

thought about that

but i liked cubswyn better…dunno why….i was close to going with cubsw1n

oh i think i wasn't clear

i choice cubswynn for my screen name bc my new license plate is gonna be cubswyn….i wanted cubswin for my license plate, but it was already taken

Online screen names

are about the closest I will get to affording a vanity plate

really?

they are really cheap in iowa

first time fee is $25

and every year after that they are only $5 more to renew

Hmmm...

I’ll check AZ prices.

Still, I’m a teacher…with children…and a budget. (sigh)

Not in Illinois

where the numerals must come after the letters. A lot of states allow numerals and letters to be intermingled though.

CALIfornia CUB fan

August

What I love about August is that after the Cubs spanked the Brewers at the end of July, the Brewers have played good baseball, gone .688 in August and find themselves a half game further behind the Cubs. It has to be frustrating to play good ball and yet lose ground.

Charlemagne - August 17, 2008 reply

Frustrating

Yes they must be frustrated. Too bad so sad.

Chinese Food tonight

Woo….

deep fried twinkies

wooo…..

thanks iowa state fair haha

Yuck

Then you would hate

deep-fried Oreos

the new one this year is

deep fried salad and i have no clue how they do that one

Didn't a fair come up with

deep-fried Coca-Cola a few years back? I don’t remember how they did it, but still…

wow

didn’t hear that one

Outback Trumps All

We’re leaving in 15 minutes!

Outback

Yes I know you don’t make friends with salad but I love the salad with blue cheese and pecans.

Tried

Tried it and liked it.

twss

BTW: Galvan316

Galvan (my last name) and 316 (just a number)

austin 316?

I'm just gonna let y'all guess what my screen name means

It’s not that tough.

Aramis is spanish for clutch

he wears 16.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

Got it in one.

So

Aramis was known as ‘the clutch Musketeer’? ;-)

Clutchy McClutcherson

= Aramis Ramirez.

You've been driving a car with a stick since you were 16?

I actually had an automatic.

Once.

Smarty-pants.

TWSS

WTF is Chris Singleton smoking?

The most impressive performance he’s seen is Mark Buerhle’s No hitter? 8 Walks is impressive? What the hell is that

Mark Guehrle Threw A No-No Today?

No last year

Screenname

I used to be cubbiegirlshamus everywhere which combines Trixie Belden and the Cubs. (Trixie aka schoolgirl shamus)

Kerrysotherwife came from people saying I must be married to Kerry because I kept defending him on other forums.

My current was hoping the Cubs would be in the series before 100 years.

Trixie As In The Lincoln Park Variety?

NO

No. Trixie is a mystery series like Nancy Drew but she was 13 when it began.

My nickname for Ryan Dempster has a Trixie connection. I call him “Jim” because in the books Trixie’s special friend is a green eyed redhead like Ryan.

Gotcha

I wanted to make sure before I asked you about your VW Jetta and your three-wheeled baby stroller and how much money your stockbroker boyfriend-husband makes. LOL

Speaking "personal nicknames" for players

When DeRo was a Brave, one ex’s mother liked to call him “Pon”.

I may never forgive her for that pun.

Trixie Belden?

Since we both know who she is, that must mean…well, we’re old, lol

Yes

She like WGN is 60 this year.

And I

am forty-COUGHCOUGH next month

40

Turned 40 on July 7th.

Read the books faithfully as a child and still love them today.

Grew up on

Hardy Boys, Danny Dunn and Encyclopedia Brown, myself

I was weird

I prefered the Hardy Boys to the perfect Nancy Drew even though I’m a girl but Trixie rules!

I belong to an extensive Trixie fan group. We have an annual convention type event and when we drove by a group in a parking lot obviously drunk as skunks and acting badly we called it “Must be Nancy Drew convention”

Or

the Bobbsey Twins Convention ;-)

Frazier Thomas?

leothelip - August 17, 2008 reply

YES! Encyclopedia Brown!

Oh that Bugs Meany used to give him fits, but Leroy always triumphed in the end.

No Brains Benton?

CyberCyclist - August 18, 2008 reply

Chat

One time in a Cubs forum eons ago we went into a chat room and tried to guess who each other was because we went in with other names.

alright well i'm out

Can anyone tell me

Why the Phillies vs Padres game is Sunday Night Baseball tonight??

What the hell is that

So Cub fans

aren’t subjected to Joe Morgan yet again

Because

Because if they didn’t show Padres vs Phillies the terrorists win!

Actually the real reason Phelps isn’t swimming tonight is they knew that Phillies/Padres was so compelling nobody would watch!

Great Pic

Way to go Dodgers!

Weird thought

Weird thought of the day for me. I wonder how many players know the anthem having heard it a zillion times?

A great team

win today. I love this team.

+500

here’s to the Cubs staying above this number on the road now!!

for sure

YO YO

Who’s still here? Missed the whole game, tried to read most of these 500 comments.

Dan

hi Dan

How you doin?

Watchin Olympics…as usual…

What'd you think of the game?

Is this Theriot discussion that big of a deal? Did Demp look solid? And is Rammy alright?

Demp made one mistake

Rammy looked very good — and very relieved — to be hitting again.

The Riot discussion is eternal, and I didn’t even get involved in it this time.

The game was frakkin’ GREAT!

sue?

Just kiddin', drew

Where do you live, BTW? Illinois?

Melrose Park, baby

Near-Western Chicago suburbs

I think most of us here live around the city, no?

I live in Waukegan

I'm a ways off

Google Maps tells me it’s a 719 mile drive from here to Wrigley, but only a 4 mile drive to Turner Field.

I just checked

Google Maps tells me Kansas is far from Chicago.

Hanover, NH is Chicago North :)

…ask around.

leothelip - August 17, 2008 reply

Greasy Fast Food and Aspirin

Both good for a hanover.

In-And-Out

Careful. . . I live in Valencia, CA too :)

leothelip - August 18, 2008 reply

And to my mind

Boston is East Chicago

Emelie - August 18, 2008 reply

not really

used to live in melrose park. near lake

daily2b - August 18, 2008 reply

Off the wall question, but...

…have you done much in the way of factor analysis?

No, not yet.

I’m fairly certain I’m going to pursue a minor in statistical research. I’ve only taken intro, meta-analysis, and ANOVA so far, and am taking regression this fall, and probably multivariate and maybe factor analysis next semester. Then it gets fun with hierarchical linear modeling and structural equation modeling.

So, no, factor analysis to come soon. Why, what you working on?

Dan

Fielding scouting reports.

Got ratings of different fielders for different skills (instincts, first step, arm strength, throw accuracy, etc.) and trying to cut down on the number of variables I’m working with in the regression analysis. (Some things are so highly correlated with each other, like first step and speed, that it gives the regression model fits.)

I’ve done a factor analysis in GNU R that I think looks right (it seems to group the skills into groups that make sense from a baseball perspective) but was curious about a few things. I’ll do some more reading and see if I can get Pizza Cutter to help me out with the rest.

Yeah, sorry.

Bout one semester over my head at this point, and a semester of 900 level courses is a lot of learning. I read a good few articles on factor analysis every month, but am not knowledgeable on how to do them myself quite yet.

Dan

Whatup homefrizzles

Just got back from dinner… see I was slandered by my boy preacherman and that bum cubswynn for my Theriot logic. That argument is officially a nonstarter w/ me from here on out. I swear off all Theriot debate, and you can all hold me too that.

The problem w/ swearing off the Theriot debate is that you never know when one is going to start

usually I’ll say “hm, I figured Theriot would get a day off here” and then I suddenly get called a Theriot hater. The whole thing is pretty ridiculous.

halfblindcubbiegirl - August 17, 2008 reply

yes, yes it is. You are not allowed to make a valid argument against him, because

then you are a debbie downer, or a Theriot hater, etc. Yet these same people love to jump on Soriano, an actual good hitter…. I just don’t get it.

So I’ll rephrase my original point: I’ll attempt to stay out of all Theriot related arguments from here on out. If I see anything that’s just too ridiculous, it may be hard to pass up.

hmmm...that lasted all of 28 minutes

just couldn’t stay away from the topic, heh?

slandered? really?

be a little bit more sensitive why don’t you

obviously the debbie downer title is a sore subject for you or maybe it “hurts so bad” bc there is some truth to it

i said it once before and i’ll say it again…..i don’t even really disagree with your argument, however i just think coming on here and immediately bashing any cub right after a great win is being a debbie downer

and i like how you say in one breath that i’m not allowed to call you a debbie downer bc you’re expressing your opinion and in the next breath call me a bum for expressing an opinion about you

finally i’m the biggest supported of sori i know, so i hope that wasn’t directed at me

cubswynn - August 18, 2008 reply

Not sure there was a lot of "slandering"...

It’s pretty open, and just because Riot is a hotly debated topic doesn’t mean that one has to take offense to not agreeing with one’s point of view. Looks like it’s been mostly discussion so far.

sorry, i didnt mean to flame you...

i was pretty angry…
apologies…
this was the first time i ever involved myself in a theriot debate, and i didnt know what i was getting myself into…

wasn't it a

double steal today?? that makes me think that is was a Lou call,,not just Riot taking off on his own.

cozmotaylor123 - August 17, 2008 reply

I wonder if

Lou talked about it in the post-game press room. Seems like no one here got a very good look at Lee, so we can’t tell if he was running from the pitch, or if he was watching Riot.

its a valid ? that might

get asked in the post game…..40 minutes till I can catch sportsnite…

cozmotaylor123 - August 17, 2008 reply

Not to be a Debbie Downer, but Theriot's basestealing...

…is bad. And that’s important.

In a 5 RPG environment, the value of a SB is roughly 0.195 runs. A CS is -0.486 runs. (I’m working on getting some better linear weights values together, but that’ll do for now.)

18 * .195 = 3.51 runs
13*-.486 = -6.318 runs
Total = -2.808 runs

Which, well, for a guy that’s 2.6 runs above average in hitting…

As for the “Was it a double steal or wasn’t it?” the question is almost academic. Either Theriot is a bad basestealer and wildly selfish, or Theriot is a bad basestealer and Lou is an idiot. Note the common factor between those two options!

For comparative purposes, will you run the same numbers for 2006 Cedeno

when he was the starting SS and was caught stealing 8 times in 16 attempts?

I know Cedeno batted 245 / .271 / .339 in 2006 (the last year he had a starting role in the lineup).

Is the argument that Cedeno would be a better candidate for starting SS this season or that the Cubs need to find a SS this off-season?

Didn't James say that steals are irrelevant...

…in the long-run and shouldn’t be used, especially when an out is at stake?

I don't believe he did.

And to be honest the work that I do follows a lot more of Pete Palmer than Bill James, so I’m not the right person to ask.

The stolen base can be valuable, if you’re good at it. And the lower the run environment, the more valuable the steal is. The reason you saw a lot more stolen bases years ago wasn’t because they were dumber then, necessarily, but because they were a much more valuable play in that context.

Meh.

I’m going to bed. We can talk abou this tomororw. See ya yers.

Dan

dr stabbingworth - August 18, 2008 reply

-2.8 runs

Good to know people are really getting up in arms over such an ENORMOUS number. I’ll bet the Cubs don’t even make the playoffs because Theriot sucks so bad.

you're missing the point.

People talk about how great Riot is because of his OBP, and how many runs he scores being driven in by Lee, Rami, Soto, etc.

That statistic translates into about 2.6 runs.

However, his caught-stealing rate costs the team about 2.8 runs.

That, combined with his poor power, his weak arm, and his inability to get to balls through the left side illustrates that Ryan Theriot costs the team runs.

drewishdrewid - August 18, 2008 reply

but is he the lesser of two evils? or should he be moved to the 8 hole?

My take is we’re winning with him in the lineup. Now is not the time to experiment with a change or platoon system at SS or batting order.

flachimesa - August 18, 2008 reply

I don't disagree wtih that

although it’s not like Lou ever has a lineup locked in stone.

At this point, I think the best we can hope for is that Cedeno has a VERY good off-season, and excels at ST next year, and takes the job away from Riot — something he is perfectly capable of doing.

drewishdrewid - August 18, 2008 reply

Maybe

Until he proves that he can play at the ONEDEC level every day, then Theriot is a better player. I see flashes of brilliance in Cedeno, and then he overslides second base on a walk. I am a strong believer in sabermetrics, however, Cedeno has not proved (or been given the chance to prove) that he can perform at a high level day in and day out.

I think Lou would have given Cedeno the chance to play every day if he thought he deserved it. Clearly Lou doesn’t think that. He barely plays Cedeno. Since I don’t know nearly as much as Lou, I think I’m going to trust him on this one.

dr stabbingworth - August 18, 2008 reply

Ok Theriot had a rough day

And likely won’t be stealing any bases soon. He gets on base way too often and needs to bridle his enthusiasm. Enuf said for now. Hey how about that Reed Johnson……..thank you Bluejays!!!

Cajuncub - August 17, 2008 reply

I can't believe I just read every comment in this thread.

ha

well, it’s amazing how much complaining there can be after a pretty awesome 5-1 roadtrip. also amazing how ppl can rip on Theriot after he goes 8 for 23, 2 RBI, 1 SB on said six game road trip. but he got caught stealing!!! OMG!! bench him. and D-Lee too! I saw him ground into a DP.

some people just need to calm down. I, for one, thoroughly enjoyed the last six games.

PrincetonCubs - August 17, 2008 reply

nothing directed at you, btw

I just finished reading all the comments as well, that’s all :)

PrincetonCubs - August 17, 2008 reply

I understand.

I declared myself Switzerland in the Great Theriot Wars weeks ago. I readily recognize his glaring shortcomings as a baseball player, but I don’t think he’s going anywhere. So I’m going to abstain from arguing about him with anyone. In any case, today was a great day to be a Cubs fan – that’s for sure.

great statement