For the first time, Cuban discusses his involvement with the Cubs sale in this post on his blog, BlogMaverick.
Interesting take, and it appears the credit crunch has taken its toll on Cuban, as it has on everyone else, and may be the one factor most to blame for delaying the sale.
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Interesting read
Thanks for the post. I said it before and this article reiterates the idea that Reinsdorf and Cuban get along just fine. BCB’ers want to believe they have “inside knowledge” about their relationship, but the fact is they seem to like each other. At least they say they do.
cubswynn - January 6, 2009
This post appears to confirm...
… what I’d heard, that Cuban wasn’t putting in a lot of his own money, and as a result his offer might not have been the best one. We just don’t know yet.
I still think the Ricketts group is the most likely to get the team.
Al Yellon - January 6, 2009
Another thing that jumped out at me....
….is that even billionaires like Cuban have been affected by the credit crisis. That is nuts. I understand why he didn’t disclose $$$’s amounts, but that would have been very interesting.
cubswynn - January 6, 2009
Actually...
we do. CNBC just reported that the Cubs are down to three finalists, with a winnning bid to be announced within 10 days. Cuban is not on the list.
Damen Jackson - January 6, 2009
Did they confirm it was 3 finalists?
Or were they just taking the info from what we heard last month, which is that there were “at least” three finalists?
Al Yellon - January 6, 2009
There are three...
as reported by them, and apparently the Tribune this morning. It’s Ricketts, Utay, and Klaff(sp?). Apparently the credit crunch affects some billionaires more than others.
It’s likely not a coincidence that Cuban decided to be so “transparent” about his dealings on the day that the Tribune informs the media that he isn’t a finalist. Frankly, the blog post strikes me as little more than spin.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-tue-cubs-bidsjan06,0,7824205.story
Damen Jackson - January 6, 2009
Thanks Al
This is a much more detailed story from Cuban than I ever expected to read. Still, there are key details that have been left off, primarily on how his legal issues were/are affecting his negotiation stance. Still, it is helpful to know that our theories about the effect of the credit crisis on the sale are very valid. We’ll soon see if a buyer really can be selected next week and if they can actually pay the Tribune Co. before the next debt payment is due.
Qixotl - January 6, 2009
You actually shouldn't be surprised that Cuban is open like this.
He is a very open and honest individual. That’s one reason him and Stern have butt heads.
Moreover it’s widely know that he publishes his personal email address and that anyone who wants to email him, can expect a response. Seriously.
cubswynn - January 6, 2009
I would think his lawyer has told him....
… not to talk about that publicly.
Al Yellon - January 6, 2009
Good point. That type of information can swing a deal like this
millions of dollers in one way or the other. Big money guys tend to frown on that type of information being made public. Cuban is smart enough not to expose himself to that kind of risk. Loose lips can really sink your ship in this case.
willie mays hayes' gloves - January 6, 2009
I'm positive that is the case...
but I have to assume that part of the reason why he has not heard back about his extension request is because of his issues with the SEC. In the end, leaving out that detail makes this enormous blog entry strangely seem somewhat incomplete. I do appreciate the level of candor that he did provide.
Qixotl - January 6, 2009
Hmm
I read the article completely different. Instead of thinking it was “incomplete,” I appreciated the fact that he said anything at all. But I see what you’re saying.
cubswynn - January 6, 2009
SEC
I doubt Cuban’s SEC case has anything to do with his Cubs bid. The SEC case is a civil case that only seeks only restitution and penalty, not jail time. The SEC’s case also appears very weak if they are basing the charges on a single conversation.
wicubfan - January 6, 2009
Well I'm glad Mark Cuban settled it once and for all
Bill Potter - January 6, 2009
I thought pitching was king.
willie mays hayes' gloves - January 6, 2009
Mark Cuban says otherwise.
Not even power pitching beats cash.
Bill Potter - January 6, 2009
Blasphemy!
willie mays hayes' gloves - January 6, 2009
Power pitching responds to cash, however.
It’s like paper-rock-scissors.
Bill Potter - January 6, 2009
Power pitching = cash.
Power pitching = cash = king.
Therefore, if Cuban wants to be king of the Cubs, he better show up to ST in shape.
Flatley - January 6, 2009
Sorry but
Kelly is King.
Josh Timmers - January 6, 2009
Well played.
I tip my cap to you, sir.
Flatley - January 6, 2009
Actually, Kerry is King
DrGalazkiewicz - January 6, 2009
Nope, but he'd make a good back-up to Soto
Jettero2112 - January 6, 2009
I thought Ray was King?
MikeOxbyg - January 6, 2009
No, Ray is fat.
willie mays hayes' gloves - January 6, 2009
And plays only where he feels respected.
neverAcquiesce - January 6, 2009
And I thought Elvis was the king.
dorf - January 6, 2009
Maybe Elvis is Ray.
That would be a very good disguise.
hip2bsquare - January 6, 2009
That photo makes him look skinny.
Al Yellon - January 6, 2009
Well at least the baby looks healthy.
He’s gotta be what, 8 months along in that photo?
dtpollitt - January 6, 2009
No wonder he pitched only 12 games last year.
Al Yellon - January 6, 2009
That 'Pregnant Man' show
has nothing on Ray King.
Bill Potter - January 6, 2009
He's carrying high...
it must be a boy.
santoswoodenlegs - January 6, 2009
Damn!?!
sue369 - January 6, 2009
BB is King.
znohitter - January 6, 2009
so right you are
Emelie - January 6, 2009
Cuban did hint at a possible problem he would have had with the White Sox right away
When he talkes about how he would have demanded the Cubs be treated differently than the Sox in buisness dealings. That could easily be the reason Reinsdorf would be against Cuban buying the Cubs.
nji232 - January 6, 2009
which, of course, doesn't make sense
the only place where the Cubs and Sox are treated as financial equals is CSN, where they are each 1/4 owners with the Bulls and Blackhawks. If he’s trying to argue that he should have a greater stake in CSN, he needn’t look in the Sox direction.
The Cheat - January 6, 2009
I stand by my original assessment
that Cuban would have been an excellent asset and owner of this team. The guy built a fanbase out of nothing with the Mavericks, cares about his players, their successes, and literally created a legion of followers and supporters. With most of that already here at Wrigley, Cuban would have plenty of time to devout monies to winning, and winning big. Personally, I’d like to see more Cubans as owners and less Pohlads. I understand it is a business, but I care for my teams to be owned by someone that actually gives a shit about the product on the field, not just the financial gains.
Dan
dtpollitt - January 6, 2009
What do you think they were going to say?
when he said
In my conversations with owners around the league…….. what was most interesting to me, was that a recurring theme was that they thought I would be good for baseball.
I hope they meant that, I would love the Cuban to own the Cubs.
CubFreak - January 6, 2009
I would love the Cuban to own the Cubs
I meant I would love Mark Cuban to own the Cubs
Not the Cuban(s)
CubFreak - January 6, 2009
I think Cuban knows a little more then we expect
He is a genious business man, and the fact that he backed off a little but kept is foot in the door in case someone was to grab it and make him owner shows that there is still a slight possibility “the Cuban” as Cubfreak accidently put, can buy this team. Al, I know you are not a huge fan of his, but does this blog entry show you his dedication to winning PLUS a smart outlook on how he would spend his money by not trying to outspend the eastcoast teams (Yankees, BoSox), but rather focusing on being the better team in the division and the better team in the NL. Spend for the sake of winning, not spending for the sake of spending. Alot of people thought that this was his problem.. if he is telling the truth, and I believe him, that could swing more people his way in the city… but of course thats not what makes the decision in the end
SouthsideCUBSfan - January 6, 2009
Many levels to this personal post
Relative to the Cubs and Cub fans are this:
A) Leveraging or financing a purchase of this is not welcomed now by the credit markets. Taken in context with Bloomberg’s release of a buyer’s analysis of the Cubs as a business asset that they have almost maximized their revenue generation level tells me that financing arms don’t like the risk.
B) Cash or increased cash down payments decreases the purchase price and either increases the personal finance structure (more partners) or depletes reserve cash capital to invest directly into the operations.
C) The confluence of the White Sox is a market complexity that only diminishes business flexibility or value.
D) The long view of the division rivals shows that payroll pressures are not huge hurdles (meaning STL, Houston, MILW, Cinci, Pitt) and the payroll pressures in the AL are not primary.
Shrinkage was the unspoken word, revenue shrinkage & credit shrinkage was big but he was thankful for the league and Tribune Co assistance in the process. It also signaled that the decision and price is all but finalized except for probably the language.
Ivy Walls - January 6, 2009
If I may.
Cuban seems to have erred… He states:
However, the payroll for the NY Mets for 2008 was: $138,293,378 (The highest in the NL and the 3rd highest in all of MLB). So as far as not having to compete with another NL team in regards to money, he was wrong.
Source: http://www.postgameheroes.com/?p=2159
Regardless, if there was a guy available to buy and run my show, I could think of many that are worse.
LOUtheMETandNATSfan - January 6, 2009
Thank you Mets fan!
What did $138,000,000+ buy you? 2nd place!
dtpollitt - January 6, 2009
Not in MLB
dtpollitt - January 6, 2009
Not in the NL
dtpollitt - January 6, 2009
2nd in the NL East!
dtpollitt - January 6, 2009
Great job at being a jerk, jerk.
For you and metsfan
NittanyCub - January 6, 2009
Who the hell pissed in your cherrios?
Don’t pick gnat shit out of pepper
LOUtheMETandNATSfan - January 6, 2009
I was trying to help you out, man
Again,
NittanyCub - January 6, 2009
no harm no foul
LOUtheMETandNATSfan - January 6, 2009
Didn't know we were name calling now, Nittany.
We have both been here long enough (and get along) I am somewhat surprised you’re doing so.
dtpollitt - January 6, 2009
I don't think he was calling YOU a jerk.
I think he was quoting Cuban and calling HIM a jerk.
Al Yellon - January 6, 2009
At this point, I literally have no idea what's going on.
LOUtheMETSfan: I didn’t mean to attack you. I don’t like the Mets, well, much at all. I shouldn’t have been a jerk.
NittanyCub: No qualms.
Dan
dtpollitt - January 6, 2009
it's all good
LOUtheMETandNATSfan - January 6, 2009
I was calling Cuban a jerk.
Sorry, dtpollitt
NittanyCub - January 7, 2009
Whoa!
Don’t get your panties in a wad. I wasn’t arguing on “behalf” of the Mets. I’m just pointing out a fact. He (Cuban) said he did his homework. Apparently, he’s not paying attention to the details.
LOUtheMETandNATSfan - January 6, 2009
Oh, I thought you were fending for the NYM there.
My bad, I shouldn’t have been so harsh. I’m sorry.
Dan
dtpollitt - January 6, 2009
no worries
LOUtheMETandNATSfan - January 6, 2009
The key to the whole thing
was he can get a better return elsewhere – significantly better return – for that amount of expenditure.
blackhawk24 - January 6, 2009
Exactly
Which is what he was saying at the end of his piece. If he was going to spend the kind of money being talked about, he would do better with it elsewhere. He was able to separate the romantic side of owning the Cubs from the practical. I’m not a big Cuban fan, but I’ve got to give him credit for being able to be so honest about that part of it. Those who are upset and/or think Cuban was screwed out of this should think about that for a moment or two.
BeerCub - January 7, 2009
When it will all be said and done
the only way I would have considered Cuban being screwed is if Trib selected him with the largest offer, then MLB owners blocked him and the Trib had to take something like 20% less from a Canning group.
Of course lots of other things had to have happened, including not such a big economy downturn, Canning actually being in it anymore and the Trib not filing for Ch.11. This whole Ch.11 thing may turn out to be very, very interesting.
blackhawk24 - January 7, 2009
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