In the last 30 years, the National League pennant had been won in consecutive years twice -- both times by the Braves, who won in 1991 and 1992, and then again in 1995 and 1996.
That is, until last night, when the Phillies won their second consecutive pennant. Congratulations to them, and unless the Angels can pull a comeback from their 3-1 deficit, I'll be rooting for them to beat the Yankees in the World Series.
Until recent years, comebacks from deficits like that in the postseason were rare. It happened only three times in the pre-divisional play era in the World Series (1925, 1958 and 1968) and twice in the WS since then (1979 and 1985).
Since the league championship series expanded to seven games in 1985, it's happened a bit more often, but still only six times: the 1985 ALCS, the 1986 ALCS, the 1996 NLCS, the 2004 ALCS where the Red Sox came back from 3-0 down, the only time that's ever been done, the 2007 ALCS, and some series in 2003 that we'd prefer to forget.
This year's Yankees, despite losing only 59 games, lost at least three in a row six different times. The Angels have their work cut out for them, but I hope they do it. It would make for some exciting baseball, not to mention avoiding a six-day gap before the World Series begins next Wednesday.
Some of you wondered whether signing Rudy Jaramillo as Cubs hitting coach meant anything regarding Milton Bradley, who had Jaramillo as his hitting coach in his single season in Texas. Bruce Miles says not necessarily:When word got out that the Cubs wanted to hire Rudy Jaramillo as their hitting coach, people started putting 2 and 2 together.
The Cubs say it doesn't necessarily add up to what they think it does.
Cubs general manager Jim Hendry said Wednesday that Jaramillo's hiring is in no way connected to trying to mend fences with Bradley, whom Hendry is trying to trade.
"Obviously, hiring Rudy had nothing to do with that," Hendry said of possibly reconciling with Bradley. "Just like I told you at the end of the year, we play the cards that we have. Milton's on the Cubs roster. That's how we go about it until somebody's not on the roster. It certainly didn't have any connection. We could have had 20 different guys on our roster, and Rudy would still be sitting here to day as our No. 1 guy.
"We didn't talk about it at all in the interviewing process or over the phone over the weekend."
Yankees at Angels, 6:57 pm CDT. Yankees lead series 3-1. TV: Fox. Announcers: Joe Buck and Tim McCarver.
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I'll be rooting for the Yankees
To please my son, a Yankee fan. That’s all.
Fraggin Judge - October 22, 2009
If your son where a Cardinal fan would you root for them to please him ?
Doggie Stalker - October 22, 2009
Spoken by someone whose brother in law is a Cardinals fan.
Al Yellon - October 22, 2009
ooh! Outed!
Emelie - October 22, 2009
My nephew is one
And my brother and sister in law are pretty big Cubs fans. Lucky ones too…or unlucky maybe…they got in for NLCS Cubs tickets in the lottery for the tickets last year. I don’t know where they went wrong, but I hope I don’t fail with my child like they did.
Craig in South Bend - October 22, 2009
Yes but I don't root for them to please him.
In fact he was cut off from my Cub tickets for FIVE years after disregarding my rule that IF I let him use a Cub/Cardinal game the OTHER person ( preferabley my sister or father) had to be a Cub fan. He took his brother to a crucial game in 89 ( while I was in Europe) and no tickets for five years. Family thought I was being extreme , I thought I was being
VERY fair.
Doggie Stalker - October 22, 2009
Oh, I know that.
I was just trying to see what kind of response you’d post.
Al Yellon - October 22, 2009
David is basically a nice person other than that major flaw
I attribute it to growing up down state so an accident of birth kind of like being born out of wedlock as they used to say.
Doggie Stalker - October 22, 2009
that's when you
… call the orphanage.
elgato - October 22, 2009
shouldn't the children be trying to please the parents?
ballhawk - October 22, 2009
and yes, I have no kids. How could you tell? ;-)
ballhawk - October 22, 2009
I heard a teacher once warn the parents of freshmen in H.S
that teenagers will try to test you by doing things against everything you stand for. My kids fortunately know where to draw the line and remained Cub fans-actually I’ve been very lucky-they haven’t really tested me much at all in other regards either-knock on wood.
katie casey - October 22, 2009
Children need boundaries
One of the hallmarks of adolescence is the pushing of those boundaries and seeing where they’ll give, giving the child a sense of individual freedom and autonomy from the parent. However, most kids know there are certain boundaries that you never push…
Clutch16 - October 22, 2009
and rooting for a team other than the Cubs is one of them
katie casey - October 22, 2009
I'm rooting for the Phillies one way or another
I’d obviously rather see the Cubs on the verge of a dynasty like that, but the Phillies are at least likable. This is more than I can say about the Yankees, who will likely win out in the ALCS. The Phillies are going to be underdogs in the World Series, but I think they’re going to give the Yankees a rude awakening because that lineup is one huge minefield and the starting pitching matches up pretty well when you consider Lee, Hamels, Martinez and Blanton.
Ace Venom - October 22, 2009
I'm rooting for the Phillies too
because I only root for teams that play real baseball (meaning no DH).
katie casey - October 22, 2009
I have no problem with the DH
I’d rather see it applied throughout MLB than in just one league. Having one league with the benefit of the DH is rather stupid.
Ace Venom - October 22, 2009
I'd rather neither have it then.
katie casey - October 22, 2009
You're probably going to be real unhappy...
… when the next labor agreement is negotiated. I fully expect that having the DH in the NL will be a bargaining chip used by owners.
I don’t like the DH either, but it seems silly to have it in one league and not in the other.
Al Yellon - October 22, 2009
IMHO
The NL should have gotten the DH years ago. The fact that they didn’t before the dissolution of the NL Presidency was a significant drop of the ball. Like it or not, the DH has been a huge factor in AL dominance. It gives you an option of what to do with that slugger that just can’t seem to defend well anymore or just defends poorly. I’d rather see that sort of player hit than watch a pitcher flail away in an at bat. It’s exciting when a pitcher gets a hit or a home run, but I’d rather have a DH.
Ace Venom - October 22, 2009
I've always felt that line about "pitcher flailing away"...
misses the point (I’m not singling you out here Ace; I hear people use that phrasing or equivalent all the time). People who are opposed to the DH aren’t usually of that mind because they like seeing pitchers hit in and of itself. I think it’s more about the added strategic elements that having a pitcher in the lineup forces on gameplay.
Having a DH makes baseball too much like a video game lineup; which is to say boring and one dimensional. Having pitchers bat emphasizes the nature of baseball as being as much as an intellectual sport as a physical one.
Granted, there is a purist argument that baseball is a 9 vs 9 game and should remain so, but really that went out the window with the inclusion of relief pitchers coming from off-field anyway…
Anyway, I will always remain of the mind that the DH is a travesty done for marketing purposes, not for the integrity of the game. I hope with all my heart that we don’t ever find that mistake forced upon the senior league as well.
CubsWin!Oregon - October 22, 2009
The pros to the DH still outweigh the cons to the DH
You don’t send your center to kick a field goal. Why on earth would you want a pitcher to hit? They don’t get enough time in the batting cage as it is. That ninth hitter in the lineup instead of a pitcher in the number nine spot gives you a better chance to produce runs than having a pitcher hit.
Ace Venom - October 22, 2009
What kind of argument is that?
Of course you don’t send your center in to kick a field goal. You don’t send your shortstop to pitch. And you don’t send your left-fielder to cover first base either. That’s because everyone has a specific job to do. But everyone gets to bat. What’s so hard to understand about that?
If you want a better chance to produce runs, then why not just go with a batting order of Dome, Riot, Lee, Ramirez, Baker, Dome, Riot, Lee, Ramirez?
ballhawk - October 22, 2009
Or why not just have a DH hit for the pitcher?
The argument is about specialization, though not to the extreme that football does it. Pitchers don’t spend a lot of time in the batting cage and their time is better spent doing what they do best and that’s pitching. You wouldn’t have to pull them out of games early even though they are mowing down batters just because you need to get that extra run across the plate. You don’t have to hold your breath wondering if they’re going to get injured running the bases.
So what kind of argument is it? It’s all about using the best guy for the job. Why do you burn through pinch hitters rather than letting relievers hit? Because a pinch hitter has a better chance of getting on base than that pitcher. I don’t really understand the hatred for the DH because the AL handles it just fine and has its run of dominance in recent years to show for it.
Ace Venom - October 22, 2009
well my 'hatred' for it, if you want to call it that...
…is simply that I feel if you’re good enough to be a starter (in all positions, not just pitching), then you ought to be able to participate in all phases of the game as long as you’re in the game.
A pitcher ought to take enough pride in being a professional that he’ll put the time needed in the batting cage to ably swing the bat – at the very least, capable of putting down a decent bunt most of the time.
I don’t like the idea of specialization to start the game – if you want to be a specialist, then go be a closer or a LOOGY. Or a pinch runner/hitter late inning defensive replacement.
If you’re in the starting lineup, you should be a complete ballplayer. It’s as simple as that.
ballhawk - October 22, 2009
Amen
eths - October 23, 2009
rec'd
katie casey - October 23, 2009
green for you
N Oakley - October 23, 2009
I agree.
And yes, for me “it’s more about the strategic elements that having a pitcher in the lineup forces on gameplay.”
katie casey - October 23, 2009
Have to rec this as well.
In the NL, fans have to be worried about how to manage the 25 man roster, the season of Aaron Miles, other positions a player can fill when needed.
In the AL, a team can have 3 Micah Hoffpauir’s without penalty. Start one at first, one at DH and rest the other. Hell the biggest lineup drama of the White Sox has been getting DH time for Konerko, Thome, Swisher, Dye, Quentin, Rios, & Crede time at DH.
N Oakley - October 23, 2009
recd
Shanghai Badger - October 23, 2009
What do think are the chances...
….of the NL adopting the DH in the forseeable future?
calicubfan - October 22, 2009
When the labor agreement is up...
… I’d say it’s better than 50-50, which would mean for the 2012 season.
Al Yellon - October 22, 2009
I personally hope not.
eths - October 23, 2009
I think that would be a sad day indeed.
“I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing AstroTurf and the designated hitter.”-Crash Davis
katie casey - October 23, 2009
Technically, the NL can't adopt the DH
The NL and AL are both under the office of Bud Selig since he elminated the league presidencies.
Ace Venom - October 22, 2009
Well, then...
… the “National Baseball Conference” or whatever you want to call the NL, can adopt it. There are two different rule structures.
Al Yellon - October 22, 2009
It would be long overdue
Ace Venom - October 22, 2009
You are darn right I'd be unhappy.
If it’s silly to have it in one league, but not the other-why have different leagues?
katie casey - October 23, 2009
I'm rooting for the Phillies too, because:
1) I was born in Philadelphia. We moved to Chicago when I was 8 months old.
2) The only guy that I know here in Germany with whom I can on occasion watch a game with, is from Philadelphia.
But in reality, I just sit there and imagine that the red uniforms are Cubs blue and that …. ::dream::
eths - October 23, 2009
Considering the large number of ex Cubs on the Phillies
that should not be so hard.
Doggie Stalker - October 23, 2009
I've learned to respect the Phillies after watching them the last few years.
They just don’t give away at bats. From Rollins on down, there really isn’t a guy who is an “easy” out (maybe Ruiz). And they find ways to win games they have no business winning, to boot.
Bill Potter - October 22, 2009
And Ruiz
has hit close to .400 in the playoffs.
Grockcubs - October 22, 2009
ruiz is a dodger killer though
jesus christos - October 22, 2009
Living an hour from Philly
I get enough Philly stuff to wear you out. However this team is a fun team to watch. They work hard, no BS, great defense, and a tough lineup. The issue I see is that Lee has struggle against the Yanks and he is key for the Phils to win. Lidge still needs to be great late, but I think the key to the series is the Phillies starters.
I hope to hell they beat the Yanks.
Grockcubs - October 22, 2009
I normally don't cheer for World Series repeats.
This is going to be an outlier of that idea. I am going to be cheering for Philadelphia this time, unless the Angels pull off a miracle.
If the Angels make it somehow, I will cheer for them. Anyone who knocks out the Red Sox and Yankees in the playoffs has my loyalty in the World Series.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 22, 2009
+1
cubsluver22 - October 22, 2009
+110
plus a million im so sick of the red sox and yankees.
puckishcubsfan - October 22, 2009
Oh my God...
what if they can’t trade Bradley?
Also, WAR PHILLIES~!
Craig in South Bend - October 22, 2009
if we can't trade him ...
we’ll release him.
elgato - October 22, 2009
There are lots of jobs around the ballpark that need doing every day.
Milt’s an employee. Just like Prior. They do what they are told.
Imagine him raking the infield, watering the grass, keeping rats away from Ozzie Guillen, cleaning up rows of trash after a game, washing down the sidewalks in the morning around the ballpark, trimming the ivy, emptying greasetraps, cleaning the bathrooms, stocking concessions, catching concrete chunks as the fall from the upper deck, emptying the dugout spittoons, working in the ticket office, checking fan’s bags as they come into the ballpark, selling beer, playing the organ, working up in the scoreboard, selling programs, being “row security” in the bleachers, running a camera, or my favorite:
Working as the Cub’s representative in the umpires’ dressing room.
You know, a “hospitality” position. He’s a “people” person. He’d be GREAT. For the NEXT TWO YEARS.
Don’cha think?
Zeke - October 22, 2009
Dude, if I liked racism conspiracies
and hearing about them from MB, I’d be all over that.
Craig in South Bend - October 22, 2009
Craig, that was NOT my intent. AT ALL.
Sorry you took it that way.
Zeke - October 22, 2009
I'm not sure, but I think he means
that he likes your idea only he’s afraid MB would say it’s racism.
katie casey - October 22, 2009
Ah, now I see.
Gotcha…
Zeke - October 22, 2009
Again, I'm not sure.
That was how I took it. Oh and I liked the idea, especially the keeping the rats away from Ozzie. LOL
katie casey - October 22, 2009
Actually, I was being facetious
but whatever. Do we have a facetious sign to go with the sarcasm one? I suppose the sarcasm one is all encompasing…
Craig in South Bend - October 22, 2009
No worries.
Zeke - October 22, 2009
Hey!
Leave me out of this.
Employee22 - October 22, 2009
That would be interesting.
I can’t imagine the media firestorm that would engulf the team if he’s starting games in 2010. The fans and media response would be relentless, unfortunately, so they’d have to keep around until a trade came through but not play him, or just play him in road games. I don’t think any of that’s going to happen.
DudeVf11 - October 22, 2009
Hendry said this?
“Obviously” Jim, it WASN’T obvious if so many people wondered about it. Geez.
Zeke - October 22, 2009
That's just Hendry...
…doing the political talk, which he is good at.
I’d just wish he would be more straight forward and not try to talk around questions like he has a habit of doing. All he had to say is “hiring this guy has nothing to do with any one player on our club, it is about making the entire team better”
MPH73 - October 22, 2009
Plain speaking? That's just CRAZY talk!
Zeke - October 22, 2009
maybe
Maybe its obviously hiring Rudy had nothing to do with the fact that Bradley is getting shipped out of town and we have moved so far past thinking about him that it was never a consideration to the hiring of a good hitting coach.
KyCubsFan - October 22, 2009
TODAY IS INTERNATIONAL CAPS LOCK DAY!
WOOOO HOOO!!
IM POSTING TONIGHT’S ENTIRE GAME THREAD IN CAPS LOCK!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caps_lock
dtpollitt - October 22, 2009
GO ERIC!!
IT’S YOUR BIRTHDAY!!!
Goodie1969 - October 22, 2009
WOOOOOOOOO
jesus christos - October 22, 2009
Go Phillies
Go Phillies even if it’s completely unfair when the Cubs or Bears are winning we get Jim Belushi representing us and when the Phillies win they get my man David Boreanaz.
And for 2 weeks Tim and Joe instead of B&B at 7 on thursday. Maybe even 3 weeks. That should be criminal. Games should not be played on Thursday nights. Or start after 8.
I for some reason always liked the Phillies. They were always a team I liked even as a kid. It’s kind of like I always liked the Steelers in football. Of course I’m a Cubs and Bears fan first.
puckishcubsfan - October 22, 2009
A fun thread
A fun boring offseason day thread might be who are teams you respect and/or like more than others but still less than the Cubs.
We’ve done the favorite non Cubs thread and that was always fun. That could be a combined thread. A new one with the newcomers to participate in.
puckishcubsfan - October 22, 2009
Rudy Jaramillo suggests the door is not closed with Milton Bradley
On the drive home I tuned into Boers and Bernstein’s at length interview with Rudy J. He’s an impressive guy, no doubt about it. But what I thought was most interesting of all was his direct answer to a direct question of whether he wants Milton back. And it sure sounds as though he does. Milton and Rudy connected well in 2008.
Also, Rudy preached accountability, accountability, accountability. And how one size does not fit all when it comes to helping out hitters.
And by the way, he loves the walk. Went on to say the Rangers led the league in pitches seen in 2009 and that you need a mix of table setters and run producers to be successful. And that he has no tolerance for failure to execute.
BLou - October 22, 2009
Whether Rudy wants Milton back or not is irrelevant.
The GM wants him gone, so he’ll be gone.
Al Yellon - October 22, 2009
And that's all that matters
At least Hendry is admitting a mistake, though it is a bit expensive.
Ace Venom - October 22, 2009
$20 million is an awful lot to eat
I want Bradley GONE. But I am starting to believe he will be back.
One trade that makes sense???
Gary Matthews Jr. has $20 million left on his very bad contract. That’s the same amount owed Bradley. Matthews thrived under Rudy J in 2006 and is a solid defensive centerfielder. Which enables Kosuke to move to right where he is best suited.
A salary swap. Pure and simple.
BLou - October 22, 2009
Jim will eat the contract before he lets him come back
One way or another, Bradley will not be on the field for the Cubs in 2010. That would be $20 million well spent.
Ace Venom - October 22, 2009
Nice start for the Angels 3-0
With no outs yet.
Doggie Stalker - October 22, 2009
make that 4-0 with no outs
Wonder how long A.J will last.
Doggie Stalker - October 22, 2009
I guess they didn't hear that they were supposed to roll over for this game
So the Yankees could be nice and rested for the WS
Clutch16 - October 22, 2009
Scott Boras yukking it up in the field-level seats right behind home plate...
ballhawk - October 22, 2009
Well, that's an example of overmanaging
Lackey wanted to stay in the game and now it’s a one run game rather than a four run game. Good job.
Ace Venom - October 22, 2009
An example
Of how piss poor umpiring has yet again helped the skankees! Blatantly obvious all playoffs long!
cubsluver22 - October 22, 2009
Well that too
I hope the Phils destroy the Evil Empire.
Ace Venom - October 22, 2009
whatd the umps do now
jesus christos - October 22, 2009
runner on 2nd 1 out..
Lackey paints a fastball on the inner part of the late for strike 3! Nope it was called ball 4 and it was the end of Lackey! No way in hell it could be called any thing other than a strike.
cubsluver22 - October 22, 2009
how many blown calls is that during this post season/tiebreaker now?
jesus christos - October 22, 2009
I don't know
But they have had the benefit of every call!
cubsluver22 - October 22, 2009
Lackey was pretty pissed off too
I can’t blame him for that. That was a strike.
Ace Venom - October 22, 2009
And there goes the lead
Nice job, Mike Scioscia. Lackey could have gotten out of the inning.
Ace Venom - October 22, 2009
Maybe if the fastball right down the pipe gets called!!
But hey Bud wants Yankees in the Series for Ratings and money and his Umps are gonna make sure he gets it!
cubsluver22 - October 22, 2009
Selig is a boob
But even I don’t think he’d go as far as rigging baseball considering how hard he worked to get steroid usage penalized.
Ace Venom - October 22, 2009
That Mauer call....
Convinced me and it has been obvious all postseason long! That’s my belief and I cannot be convinced otherwise!
cubsluver22 - October 22, 2009
The Yankees have been getting the benefit of these bad calls quite a bit lately
I have to admit that it looks suspicious. Maybe send a letter to Bud about it saying you’re on to the conspiracy?
Ace Venom - October 22, 2009
Umps Call
Do you really think in the heat of the moment an ump decides shit if i call this a ball then the angels are screwed?
KyCubsFan - October 22, 2009
After the obvious Mauer call
Yes I think there’s something fishy but the way their calling ballgames in the yankees favor over and over and over.
cubsluver22 - October 22, 2009
about
cubsluver22 - October 22, 2009
Lackey was gassed
and the blown call got into his head, he should have been pulled!
cubsluver22 - October 22, 2009
He did get the second out
Apparently, he got over it. I think the score now tells you everything you need to know. You’ve got to trust the starter sometimes.
Ace Venom - October 22, 2009
Hindsight is always 20/20
cubsluver22 - October 22, 2009
I would tattoo
A big red Cardinal on my forehead if I knew I wouldn’t have to see the Yankees ever win again!
cubsluver22 - October 22, 2009
Isn't it funny?
Just about everyone who isn’t a Yankees fan hates the Yankees. I’d love to see what that team would do if a salary cap was imposed.
Ace Venom - October 22, 2009
They'd probably siphon extra cash through third parties
That’s how the elite teams get away with it in Australian sports.
AussieCub - October 22, 2009
win
cano, posada, jeter, mariano, hughes, chamberlin all brought up through the system.
compare that with the cubs theriot, fotenot, z, soto,
KyCubsFan - October 22, 2009
what about
Choi=Lee
Bobby hill=Ramirez
How about Randy Wells?
cubsluver22 - October 22, 2009
fire sales
lee = marlins fire sale
ramirez = pirates fire sale
wells i should have included.
I guess my point should have been we spend a lot of damn money too they just do it smarter sometimes and also resign there own where as we are consistently trying to sign people to improve. They have the choice to pay a guy for 3 good years and then pay a guy (maybe same maybe different) for 3 more.
Looking forward to new forward thinking ownership and other teams bitching about our endless spending and playoff world series success!!!!!!
KyCubsFan - October 22, 2009
Joba
Looked good blowing the lead!
cubsluver22 - October 22, 2009
I meant Hughes sry!
cubsluver22 - October 22, 2009
Just a few more Cubs brought through the system
Wells, Marshall, Guzman, Marmol oh and of course Fuld .
Doggie Stalker - October 23, 2009
I know you gotta hate the Yankees
But I’m pretty excited to see the two unquestionably dominant sides of the playoffs come head to head.
I really reckon the Phillies are gonna pip them.
AussieCub - October 22, 2009
I cansay wholeheartedly now...
I want no part of Chone Figgins
cubsluver22 - October 22, 2009
What's your beef with him?
AussieCub - October 22, 2009
His .180 career avg
In the playoffs for starters. His health risk coupled with the length of years/money he reportedly will ask for/get!
cubsluver22 - October 22, 2009
Fair enough
I reckon he’s too old and in decline, had no idea of his playoff avg.
AussieCub - October 22, 2009
Hit a Long one Angels!!!
cubsluver22 - October 22, 2009
agreed!
KyCubsFan - October 22, 2009
SWWEEEETTT
KyCubsFan - October 22, 2009
c'mon Morales
cubsluver22 - October 22, 2009
yesssssssssssssssssssssss
cubsluver22 - October 22, 2009
good to see them get pissed off instead of sulking
KyCubsFan - October 22, 2009
The way it should be
Ace Venom - October 22, 2009
Darrin Oliver
When Darrin Oliver came in i couldn’t help but thinking of Donnie Moore. Let’s hope for better Angels results.
KyCubsFan - October 22, 2009
lets go Fuentes
KyCubsFan - October 22, 2009
if you're gonna intentionally walk A-Rod, why not just hit him with one pitch?
Save three pitches worth of wear and tear on the arm and earn the love and adoration of millions of baseball fans across 99% of America.
ballhawk - October 22, 2009
oh jeebus
jesus christos - October 22, 2009
Scioscia is almost Dusty-like in his refusal to go to the mound...
I wouldn’t pull Fuentes, but sheesh… go out and tell him a joke or something…
ballhawk - October 22, 2009
knock knock!
Devin B - October 22, 2009
who's there
jesus christos - October 22, 2009
see ya
ballhawk - October 22, 2009
see ya who?
ballhawk - October 22, 2009
see ya in New York!
ballhawk - October 22, 2009
Love the Rally Monkey!
AussieCub - October 23, 2009
that was a very marmol like inning
jesus christos - October 22, 2009
Except for the intentional walk,
That at least is not something Lou would do.
Doggie Stalker - October 22, 2009
The owner of the Dodgers has fired his wife from the team.
LINK
Okay, I know they are estranged, but this is one of the most bizarre stories I have seen regarding baseball in a while.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 23, 2009
phillies
looks like scott eyre has done pretty good for himself. traded from the 08 cubs with the best record to 2 pennant winners. not bad
NOMAR - October 24, 2009
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