With no afternoon games today, I was going to wait and have today's Division Series preview post in the middle of the afternoon, a couple of hours before the Yankees and Twins take the field in New York at 5 pm CDT.
But then I saw (thanks to Jessica for posting it in last night's game thread) this astonishingly bad piece of "journalism" from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch's Bernie Miklasz, and I thought I'd get it posted right on the front page for you to see this morning. That's right, friends, it wasn't really Matt Holliday dropping a potentially game-ending fly ball in Dodger Stadium yesterday. No, it was all the Cubs' fault:
This October, the Dodgers have a chance to sweep the Cardinals, who have inexplicably turned into the Cubs, right before your disbelieving eyes. And that was unpredictable.
Do not adjust your HD TV sets at home, and do not throw any hard objects at those television screens: These aren't really the Cubs; they only look like it. They are the Cardinals, striking out and dropping balls and loitering on the bases and blowing saves and going all Leon Durham '84 on us in an epic meltdown.
Click here to see my reaction to this tripe. This is a man who has been paid (presumably) big money to write about sports for the biggest newspaper in St. Louis for 20 years, since 1989. And this is the best he can come up with when his team pulls an epic choke job? Take a swipe at the Cubs? No wonder newspapers and "traditional" journalists are vanishing from the face of the Earth so quickly.
I guess about the best thing you can say about something like that is that he was pandering to his audience. As for me, all I'll say to Cardinals fans is: "Welcome to the club. Now you know how it feels. Enjoy going home after Saturday's game."
Also, though the Angels beat the Red Sox 5-0 last night, the first postseason shutout in Angels history, I wonder how Angels fans feel having the play-by-play man on TBS for that series be the principal play-by-play guy for their opponent. Don Orsillo did his best to be neutral last night -- and he's probably the best of the four PBP guys doing the Division Series -- but he's the main PBP man on NESN for the Red Sox during the season. How did they make that selection?
The NL has the day off today; links for both AL series tonight after the jump.
Twins at Yankees, 5 pm CDT. TV: TBS. Announcers: Chip Caray and Ron Darling
Baseball-reference.com game preview
Please visit our SB Nation Twins site Twinkie Town and Yankees site Pinstripe Alley.
Red Sox at Angels, 8:30 pm CDT. TV: TBS. Announcers: Don Orsillo and Buck Martinez
Baseball-reference.com game preview
Please visit our SB Nation Red Sox site Over The Monster and Angels site Halos Heaven.
Yesterday's thread didn't get too long, so once again I'm not going to post overflow threads today; if this one gets too long or slow by the second game, someone please post an overflow in the FanShot section.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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Thanks Al...
…for posting the link the the Dispatch article. What a sad fact that even when the Cubs have nothing to do with the playoffs they’re still the topic of conversation. It’ll probably only get worse after they get swept by the Dodgers. I’m sure there will be some nice “just trying to be the Cubs” comments floating around.
Oh well. Here’s hoping the playoffs continue to entertain. It’s great to see exciting baseball. Even though it’s painful the Cubs aren’t in this year, it’s not all bad just getting to be a baseball fan.
Tangled Up In Blue - October 9, 2009
I agree
It is fun being able to watch October baseball, even though the Cubs aren’t in it-just as a baseball fan. Let’s hope it continues to be exciting.
As for the Dispatch article, I won’t say anything that is going to be said countless times over in this thread, it is just sad that the author of this article stooped down so low as to say such a thing.
cubswgnrocks - October 9, 2009
Thankfully baseball is still around
I’m having a fun time watching the meltdown today by Cardinals fans. Football is too depressing to think about.
nji232 - October 9, 2009
Holliday and Franklin both deserve the blame for that debacle
It wasn’t the Cubs that caused Franklin to melt down after Holliday committed the error.
Ace Venom - October 9, 2009
Nice avatar
And Franklin was obviously doing his best Aaron Heilman impersonation out there…
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
We should all change our profile pics to that one
[and go troll on VEB].
chilango2 - October 9, 2009
This article alone is enough for them to justify that we are obsessed with the Cards
No need to further that impression.
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
+2006
Shanghai Badger - October 9, 2009
Holiday accounted for half their runs.....
He’s a 3 time all star and a great athlete…….if they don’t want him anymore….I’ll take him over sorryano or gameboard any day…..
As for the article…..I thought I was watching the 09 CUB offense all game long….especially game 1….talk about RISP/LOB……….That was a complete offensive meltdown (over both games) by the DT’s…….and I have to admit…I kinda enjoyed it….
kcjones - October 9, 2009
Third game?
The copy-and-paste monster strikes again…
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Oops.
I’ll fix it.
Al Yellon - October 9, 2009
In Bernie Miklasz's defense,
Chicago journalists also take potshots at the Cubs whenever they can. Wait, what? Now I’ve made myself sad.
As the owner of very expensive J-School education, I could go on and on about the state of the industry, the level of writing and reporting and the severe abuse my intelligence has taken lately, but I doubt I’ll have the time to write 12,432 words this morning.
Go Twins this evening.
chilango2 - October 9, 2009
Case in point:
I hate this moron. Soon enough I’ll start a boycott campaign and I hope you all join me.
chilango2 - October 9, 2009
PWSullivan?
Who is this PWSullivan you speak of?
cubnational - October 9, 2009
What?
No Brant Brown reference???
eswan9 - October 9, 2009
Miklasz isn't that smart
JFCubFan - October 9, 2009
Man....... I was at that game
didn’t Sosa hit 63 and 64 that game?
gocubs526 - October 9, 2009
typical
I know several Cardinal fans and all seem to be obsessed with the Cubs. Don’t really know why. There is very little we can throw at them, since they have had all the success & we’ve had all the failure. I think they like having a “rivalry” with a team that really poses no threat to their “superiority”. I sense that if we ever win it all, they will all have massive cardiacs.
KedzieKid - October 9, 2009
No, they'll just say "What took you so long?" or "Good for you! You got your 1 for this century!"
or something dumb like that.
santoswoodenlegs - October 9, 2009
And sadly,
they’d be right.
Shanghai Badger - October 9, 2009
At that point, however,
I expect none of us will really give a damn.
Goodie1969 - October 9, 2009
Exactly
My reply would be, “And?”
Ace Venom - October 9, 2009
Who really gives a damn what they say NOW?
santoswoodenlegs - October 9, 2009
I kinda doubt any of will be sober enough to care
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
At the end of the day, they have to go home and live in St. Louis
gocubsgo22 - October 9, 2009
Holliday is getting tons of flack for missing that liner.....which he should have caught
…but the reality is Franklin still could have got it done. BTW, what happend to the great Albert? 1-7 with no RBIs.
I knew last night we would hear all kinds stuff about the Cardinals looking “Cub like”. Bernie is the St Louis version of Jay Marroitti. For the most part, real journalism today from a print perspective can really only been seen in the WSJ, NYT and the Wash Post, most tossed their ethics out a long time ago.
JB 23 - October 9, 2009
Albert is the new ARod
nji232 - October 9, 2009
Holliday is the new Bartman.
zevkalman - October 9, 2009
Holliday is the new Alex Gonzalez
nji232 - October 9, 2009
Holiday is the new linebacker for the Rams. He looks stiff like a block of cement.
Grockcubs - October 9, 2009
Tim Tebow is the new Jesus Christ.
dtpollitt - October 9, 2009
right
right again, sir. you obviously know a few yourself.
KedzieKid - October 9, 2009
Bernie in St. Loo
looks like he’s been busy feeding his face the past 20 years or so. I doubt he could catch a fly ball if his life depended upon it.
Clark Addison - October 9, 2009
Did anyone catch Wainwrong's interview on MLB.TV?
This douche bag had the nerve to blame the WHITE TOWELS WAVING IN THE CROWD as the reason why Holliday missed the ball.
Good lawd……..how do you come up with that?!?!
Bunch of crybabies. I’m sure this will cause Bernie to eat a few more cream puffs, adding to his already bloated body (and ego).
tville - October 9, 2009
I wonder if they give out white towels at the game on Saturday
Even if they were it is kind of hard to do it now since their dumbass pitcher opened his mouth.
nji232 - October 9, 2009
And Wainwright's claim is a lie.
Look below for a link to the video. NO ONE WAS WAVING WHITE TOWELS when that ball was hit.
Al Yellon - October 9, 2009
Your facts are getting in the way of the excuse train
nji232 - October 9, 2009
LOL
Or, quoting former US Rep. Earl F. Landgrebe, when confronted with the “smoking gun” evidence about Richard Nixon: “Don’t confuse me with the facts.”
Al Yellon - October 9, 2009
yeah!
stop using logic
jesus christos - October 9, 2009
He's a fool for making the comment.
Suspect he’ll be calling for a ban of white shirts in the crowd as well.
tville - October 9, 2009
I have a feeling he was trying to protect Holliday
He didn’t do it well, but I’m not sure Wainwright is really crying over spilled milk as much as he is trying to deflect attention off the gaffe. In any case, it’s done poorly on his part.
Bill Potter - October 9, 2009
Can we use the white towels excuse, too?
I got one at the playoff game at Dodger stadium last year. When I got back to work, I gave it to a Dodger fan friend on the condition that we not talk about the game or the playoffs. It worked as good as a sock.
vonde6 - October 9, 2009
This is fascinating
All the kvetching over a columnist who has made a career out of taking potshots at the Cubs.
People are taking shots at the Cardinals, fans and writers and saying that they are obsessed with the Cubs, taking glee in the Cardinals losing and making fat jokes about the writer.
As Clutch16 implied above, who’s obsessed with who?
Shanghai Badger - October 9, 2009
I'll say this
Up until 4 years ago I didn’t give a crap about the Cardinals, now having been exposed to their fanbase and dealing with daily Cubs stuff I can say I do hate them. I love watching them fail and I love laughing at their excuse making BS.
So yes I do care about the Cardinals and enjoy watching them lose, if (or when) I say otherwise I’m lying. Still they are in the middle of the playoffs and still thinking about the Cubs, something I can say I didn’t do about them the past two postseasons.
nji232 - October 9, 2009
+2003
When the Cubs blew 2003 (for example), I don’t recall reading in the Tribune that it was all the Cardinals’ fault.
zevkalman - October 9, 2009
Where does the STL article say it's the Cubs' FAULT?
Shanghai Badger - October 9, 2009
+1
‘Fault’ means the Cubs caused it. Of all the righteous criticisms you can give this article, that is not one of them. I do not think you are suggesting a false accusation here, but you could have worded it better.
NWIowaCubFan - October 9, 2009
Well, I'd say it's different for those of us in the STL vicinity
Just like I have a special dislike for the team that plays up the road from where I grew up, because a vocal minority of their “fan base” roots against the Cubs more than for their own team.
I’m not saying people should root for the Cards, but no matter what happens, the Cubs ain’t moving up in 2009.
Shanghai Badger - October 9, 2009
Why?
I know no other fan base that spends more time, money and energy HATING the Cubs as do Cards fans. One in every three shirts during a Cubs series at Busch is painted with anti-Cubs comments. They have serious problems, and when you go to a Hawks/Blues game, they want to talk baseball?
tville - October 9, 2009
Let me introduce you to a few White Sox fans I know.
Tackle Box - October 9, 2009
And Brewer fans.
Al Yellon - October 9, 2009
I hear what you are saying, but...........
………..it’s not even close.
Brewers and Sux fans pull the same stuff, but Cards fans have entire wardrobes to show their hatred of the Cubs. It’s a cottage industry in St. Loser.
tville - October 9, 2009
Ummmmm....
San Diego Padres fans, for the last 25 years…
San Diego Smooth Jazz Man - October 9, 2009
Yes. I can personally attest to the last 15 of those.
santoswoodenlegs - October 9, 2009
We're comparing major league............
………..douche bags (STL) to minor league douche bags (SAN).
Seriously, it’s not close.
tville - October 9, 2009
See, NJI and myself have lived in the center of Cardinals nation.
I can’t speak for anyone else, but I went to Mizzou, which is much more heavily populated with STL fans than people from Kansas City. Columbia is smack in the middle of the state, but it seems more from KC go to Kansas for school cause it is so close by.
In any event. . . the amount of Cubs-bashing, snide remarks, and other general grief you get for being a Cubs fan in Missouri is pretty ridiculous. Now I will grant that perhaps many of the college students I encountered don’t have the maturity to do much but name-calling at this stage in their lives. But I can say that the sense of arrogance, entitlement, and boorishness in the Cards fans I knew and encountered went up exponentially after 2006.
So I agree with NJI and Al. I hope desperately to see St. Louis lose on Saturday. I hope they get to feel some embarrassment about it, just like they made any Cubs fan within earshot feel for the last two seasons. Only then will there be a chance for them to head back down to Earth and stop living vicariously through one charmed season.
TheNextCubsVoice - October 9, 2009
You know what.
I went to college at NIU and I got the same shit you did at Mizzou so to even act like one place is better than the other or worse than the other is ridiculous. You are an outsider (a fan of the team’s number 1 rival). You better expect to get it from college kids. If you’re offended by that than it’s probably you who have the thin skin. I knew going to NIU, I’d be completely surrounded by cub fans. I met some Card fans and we had a good time giving it back to the cubs fans just like they gave it to us. Some were good natured about it, some weren’t. That’s the way it goes.
Tackle Box - October 9, 2009
Did spending time there make you hate the cubs more than before you went?
nji232 - October 9, 2009
Yes it did.
Growing up in Southern Illinois, I was always indifferent to the cubs. My grandpa, while being a Cardinal fan, always rooted for the cubs too since he loved Harry Caray (I remember watching the Cubs/Pads series in ’84 with him). And, while the cards are the number 1 team down there, there are cub fans too. A couple of my best friends in HS were cub fans since their dads and grandpas were cub fans.
Once I came to NIU (and now the suburbs) my indifference went away. Look, I’m a staunch cardinal fan, make no mistake about it. But there’s something about being surrounded by rabid fans of your rival that 1) increases your dislike of that team and 2) makes you much more sensitive to the fringe of the fanbase.
It’s like any political thing or whatever. The fringe lunatics are always the loudest. That’s why it always makes my skin crawl when i hear some cardinal fan boast about how card fans are the smartest fans in the world. They usually cite some ‘poll’ or some ‘interview’ that never really existed and if it did, it’s not accurate. Or they quote Cardinal players. Shit, ask Ranger players and they’ll say the same thing publicly about how great and loyal and smart Ranger fans are. it’s lip service.
You guys don’t hear the numbnuts that are some cub fans. Well, maybe you do, but you’re much more sensitive to the numbnut cardinal fans since you can be offended by them and they seem like the majority since they’re loud. While you can dismiss the stupid cub fans because you know that most cub fans don’t think that way.
it’s like the idiots at Wrigley that were throwing trash on the field or the ones who wear the Fukudome shirts or run onto the field to attack Bob Howry or Randy Meyers or the Dodgers bullpen. Are these fringe lunatics? Yup. You know it and I do. But they’re easy to spot since they’re either loud or in the spotlight.
Sorry for the rambling stream of thoughts……
Tackle Box - October 10, 2009
I think every fanbase has its "numbnuts" fans.
You may be more sensitive to Cubs fans because of the intensity of the rivalry. Me, I’ve run into a lot of cool Cardinals fans that I think enhance that rivalry and with whom I enjoy discussing baseball.
But there are plenty of Cardinals fans who fit your profile of Cubs fans, too.
Al Yellon - October 10, 2009
Two days late, but that's pretty much what Tackle Box said
And you kind of proved his/her point by being a little sensitive to it….
Shanghai Badger - October 12, 2009
Was one of them named Mike?
Just askin’
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
No "Mike" was too busy playing baseball
while secretly managing the NIU team to have any social interaction.
Doggie Stalker - October 9, 2009
lol
sue369 - October 10, 2009
To play Devil's Advocate
The Cards are still playing, while the Cubs are not. If we ignore all the other teams, then the only real “news” is the Bradley-for-Burrell rumor that’s floating about. I think talking about the Cards loss (even with a little schadenfreude thrown in) isn’t out of bounds. Going over to VEB and taunting, OTOH…
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
I don't think it's out of bounds, either, but
It’s a bit disingenous to say that they’re obsessed with us over and over.
Shanghai Badger - October 9, 2009
We could talk about the other two boring-ass games yesterday instead, if you want :P
The Dodgers-Cards game was entertaining, at least.
Come 5PM, I doubt any of us will still be thinking about Holliday and Franklin, though. Let it run its course, and we’ll debate the meta later.
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
I'll give you that
I doubt that it’ll be brought up here as often as other fan bases bring up goats, cats, etc.
Anyway, my sports focus for the first 1/2 of this weekend will be UW-OSU.
Shanghai Badger - October 9, 2009
GO TAUNT.....
And grow a thick skin…..
kcjones - October 9, 2009
Nah
I’m happy enough just to see their agony.
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
-1
We are paying attention because they are still playing, and we have noticed some personal insults. I don’t see the signs of a general obsession on our part.
I am not the type to rub it in, and would only file this failure away in my arsenal for future, purely defensive, purposes. I agree, in general, with your comments on the game thread about not taking joy at anyone else’s misery. However, I admit that “misery loves company”, and I am glad to see that the Cardinals are not always as lucky as they sometimes seem to be (re: the 2006 playoffs).
vonde6 - October 9, 2009
It's significant
that MLB chose to use Vin Scully’s call of last night’s ninth inning. Amazing.
scareduck - October 9, 2009
I think I've watched that a couple of times in the past few hours. Pretty amazing.
Baseball is funny sometimes. I still feel sorry for Holliday, but I’m not crying for the Cardinals.
zevkalman - October 9, 2009
Scully is awesome
MrNFL - October 9, 2009
I thought it was all Dick Stockton's fault
as TBS clearly HATES the NL Central.
They’ve stuck the division with his presence for all 3 years they’ve broadcast the division series.
The NL Central hasn’t won a game that Stockton has broadcast in the division series for TBS!
cowsarecool220 - October 9, 2009
Hmmm.
I think you’re on to something here.
Al Yellon - October 9, 2009
Sounds like a conspiracy from high up
Someone needs to investigate this. Then we can deal with this strange white towel phenomenon.
Ace Venom - October 9, 2009
The white towels landed in Roswell in 1948, but the Air Force covered them up...
eths - October 9, 2009
You're a towel!
LT - October 9, 2009
Speaking of towels...
Al Yellon - October 9, 2009
Ouch. My labrum hurts.
chilango2 - October 9, 2009
I wonder
if they need a new towel guy for the men’s room at Harry Caray’s?
LT - October 9, 2009
Rec'd
chilango2 - October 9, 2009
I am a fairy nice towel
eths - October 9, 2009
Its not suppose to be journalism
Bernie is a columnist, not a reporter and its all in good fun. if the situation were reversed we would be taking chots at the cards, hell, we are anyway. its still the best rivalry in baseball. All the passion of yanks/sox without as much meaness and blind hatred. I have to say, i felt bad for Holiday, having lost a few in the lights myself. He seems like a class act.
RTGrules - October 9, 2009
No, we wouldn't be taking shots at the Cardinals.
We’d completely ignore them.
Al Yellon - October 9, 2009
+1
vonde6 - October 9, 2009
There is no more hopeless feeling
I was playing third base in a HS All Star game and ran after a pop up in foul territory. We always played day games, but this one was at night. I looked down for a second to see how close I was to the fence and just then a photographer standing about 6 feet away from me popped his flashbulb. When I looked up, instead of seeing one ball I saw 200 spots of light, that all looked like a ball. Fortunately, I was able to discern that one of the balls was starting to get larger, otherwise it likely would have hit me right on top of my head.
azjazzman - October 9, 2009
santoswoodenlegs - October 9, 2009
Perfect.
Turn it green.
Al Yellon - October 9, 2009
I'm sorry
I hate to keep bringing up this point however Holiday has gotten huge. Goodness the guy can’t find a cap for his head.
Grockcubs - October 9, 2009
I've been saying it for a while now.
Mapmaker - October 9, 2009
Schadenfreude ist die schönste Freude
eths - October 9, 2009
The downtrodden masses approve...
eths - October 9, 2009
The revolutionary masses approve as well..
eths - October 9, 2009
Cup Check!
Employee22 - October 9, 2009
As a Cardinals Fan, I Believe it's My Duty to Inform You...
that Bernie Miklasz is a moron.
mynameistyler - October 9, 2009
So the Mariotti comparison works?
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Miklasz is like Mariotti...
only in that he’s an arrogant prick. Mariotti has shown strokes of intelligence on the rare occasion on ATH.
mynameistyler - October 9, 2009
dude...
you might want to rethink your opinion that mariotti has shown strokes of intelligence…. it’s more like strokes of his own ego.
tootle - October 9, 2009
Al. It's misleading to say anyone claimed it was the Cubs' "fault."
The guy simply said the Cards were playing like the Cubs do when they get to the postseason. Unfortunately, the Cubs have given Cardinal fans plenty of ammunition in their hapless trips to the playoffs. In fact, I can’t think of another team that personifies October meltdowns like our beloved team.
That said, it sure is fun to watch the Cards’ meltdown. The picture is great. I heard Holiday insisting after the game that the ball hit him in the stomach. Someone should tell him that wrinkly thing hanging between his legs doesn’t digest food.
the nth - October 9, 2009
The Braves would like a word
14 straight division titles, one WS win.
The question every year after 1996 was “How are they going to choke it away this year?”
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Good point.
However, they did make it to a few World Series and there was that one pesky little championship.
the nth - October 9, 2009
The championship came in the first year of the wild card
After that, they made it back only once (1996), and thereafter struggled to get past the NLDS (much to our delight in 2003).
And that one championship came on try #4 for them. By those standards, and if you want to count 2003 as a part of the Cubs’ current run, we’re due the next time we make it in.
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
and the 1994 Expos would like a word
actually, they’d probably like a few words with Bud Lite – preferably out in a dark alley somewhere with no witnesses…
ballhawk - October 9, 2009
Actaully, if they sold tickets....
santoswoodenlegs - October 9, 2009
And how far did they get in the playoffs that year?
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
my point exactly
there were no playoffs that year, as you well know, thanks to (Don) Fehr and (Bud) Loathing.
And while you are technically correct in your “14 straight division titles” wording, I always feel obligated to give props to the Expos for their effort in 1994 lest anyone think Atlanta won their division 14 years in a row.
ballhawk - October 9, 2009
But they did
Every year a division title was awarded from 1991 until 2005, the Braves won that title. And 1994 wasn’t a lock for the Expos, anyway – the Braves were only 6 games behind them when the strike wiped out the rest of the season on August 12, and had been tied for the division lead as late as July 21. I don’t think anyone has tracked Magic Numbers as high as 43 since 1969.
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Always a catch
You said:
You are correct there. They did not win it in 1994, but then again, no one else did, either.
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Yep
I think the Braves came from behind more than once in one of those 14 years.
LT - October 9, 2009
I've never seen a front page post on VEB directed completely at the Cubs and their failures...
Tackle Box - October 9, 2009
That is a patently untrue accusation
There’s a whole paragraph there about the Angels…
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
They actually locked up the overflow thread over there.
Lots of swearing in that thread.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
Beter yet is the reason given
Can’t take our eyes off you all for one minute. The last thread was locked because it was out of hand.
Translation: You are not old enough to behave yourselves and be alone without a babysitter… ;-)
eths - October 9, 2009
That's just great.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
Excuse me, that thread is still open and available for all to read.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
The entire quote is:
This, afaik, is the “locked for comments” thread: http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2009/10/8/1077278/gotta-be-kidding-overflow
eths - October 9, 2009
Yes, it is.
Just paged to the bottom of it. It already reads “Comments for this post are closed.”
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
44 minutes
And 350+ comments later…
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
At some point, someone is going to copy/paste that thread.
Wonder what people will think of the self-proclaimed “Best Fans in Baseball”
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
Just a couple of paragraphs
Here and there.
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Wow. Interesting stuff. Thanks for the link. Who woulda thought?
zevkalman - October 9, 2009
Well, they ain't gracious
Shanghai Badger - October 9, 2009
classy
Mapmaker - October 9, 2009
So, one paragraph and a couple of lines
about being happy that the Cardinals are the last NL Central team to win a World Series compares to an entire article about how the Cardinals “deserved” to lose because a moron sportswriter (who doens’t work for the Cardinals) wrote a stupid colum?
Note that wasn’t about the Cubs specifically. It was about the Cubs and the Brewers. It didn’t matter what teams were in the playoffs. If it had been the Reds and the Pirates, it still would have been written.
Hardly comparable.
Tackle Box - October 9, 2009
agreed
Unless everyone here is rooting for the Cardinals to win and not go out in the first round. Which is all the guy really said yeah for us none of our rivals has a championship since we won one.
KyCubsFan - October 10, 2009
If we are going to get all hot around our collars:
That twit is pandering for some real fans for a second rate organization…
The kindest reason one can come up with for Miklasz’s delineated diarrhoea?
eths - October 9, 2009
Reading through the comments on Halos Heaven,
I did find this one regarding the announcing last night.
This is worse than making Joe Buck and Tim McCarver work Cubs/Cardinals games.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
I think...
… the postseason would be best served by having each game announced by one announcer from each of the participating teams. They used to have one of these during the 1960’s — it was good to hear a home team announcer.
Doing it that way now would get a perspective that the national announcer simply does not have.
Al Yellon - October 9, 2009
That makes sense.
That way, you get the perspective of both teams from the announcers’ booth. Makes no sense to have Don Orsillo do a Red Sox game. It would have been better if he had been doing the Cardinals-Dodgers game (same city, right?).
Orsillo’s normal NESN partner, Jerry Remy, has been out with cancer this year (he should be back next year in the booth). He is definitely more pro-Red Sox.
Unlike most announcers, Remy has had his share of funny moments in the booth, like this moment in 2007.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
Listening to that game...
as commented upon by a team of Vin Scully and Mike Shannon would be both awesome and utterly confusing.
mynameistyler - October 9, 2009
I think the postseason would be best served by leaving TBS out of it
Seriously – I have not heard one positive word about their efforts so far this year. And IIRC they blew chunks pretty bad last year as well. I didn’t watch their regular season games, so for those who did – did they do an acceptable job and thus just choke in the playoffs? Or do they suck in the regular season as well.
ballhawk - October 9, 2009
They suck all around
Their staff is pretty much the same people who produced Braves baseball exclusively for a couple of decades, and as such, the production is very similar to old Braves games on TBS. I never was all that impressed with those broadcasts, especially when I had Arne Harris’s games to which to compare them.
And in case you’re wondering, the quality of the Braves broadcasts now is just a notch worse now that it’s Peachtree TV people producing them.
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
"to which to compare them"?
Sheesh, my editing skills are teh suck.
“…with which to compare them.”
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
IllinoisCubs - October 9, 2009
Balls. Not Stomach.
mynameistyler - October 9, 2009
It's like "Groundhog Day"
StampMe - October 9, 2009
definatly no cup
I can’t believe he got up. I would have been on the ground puking for 10 minutes.
gocubs526 - October 9, 2009
You wonder if he will be out of the next game for a bruised scrotum (and ego)
LAcarl519 - October 9, 2009
santoswoodenlegs - October 9, 2009
you must have a big hard drive
(for all those photos)
LAcarl519 - October 9, 2009
not really
santoswoodenlegs - October 9, 2009
LOL
if we could have installed that in Cedeno’s neck, we could have had a star
LAcarl519 - October 9, 2009
That was stunning to watch last night
Two guys who have been so clutch and almost automatic for the Cardinals falling apart at the same time was strange to watch. I know they only blew a one-run lead but it seemed much worse.
I had to go over to VEB and check out the threads. It was worth it.
Mapmaker - October 9, 2009
Learn to Read, Al
Miklasz didn’t say that it was the Cubs’ fault that the Cardinals lost last night’s game. Rather, he said that they had “turned into the Cubs” and were playing like the Cubs. And he’s right.
Think about what happened to Holliday and the Cardinals last night. One out from a victory that would send the series back home tied 1-1, Holliday, who had made one error since joining the Cardinals, inexplicably loses the ball in the lights and a comedy of errors follow, resulting in them losing the game. As a long time Cubs fan, you cannot tell me that you don’t see parallels between catastrophic errors made by otherwise sure-handed defenders Leon Durham and Alex Gonzalez and by former Cub Bill Buckner.
Last night’s Cardinals loss was practically the definition of “Cub-like”. Re-read Miklasz’s column, and you’ll see that I’m correct.
Lance - October 9, 2009
So when you win...it's Yankee like?
santoswoodenlegs - October 9, 2009
Again...
Bernie Miklasz is a moron.
mynameistyler - October 9, 2009
i think you missed the point
of course we all know this is something that would happen to the Cubs. But it didn’t, it happened to the St. Louis Cardinals and has nothing to do with the Cubs. Its patethic journalism. “Well we just blew the game….CUBS SUCK HAHA!” That is how the article comes off to probably must if not all Cub fans.
TJ3117 - October 9, 2009
That's because you're looking for a reason to be offended
But seriously, as a Cubs fan, you have to admit that this is the sort of crushing “seize defeat from the jaws of victory” loss upon which the Cubs’ reputation has been built. You’ve watched Durham miss the ground ball in 1984. You watched the Alex Gonzalez error and Prior meltdown following the Bartman incident in 2003.
If you’re a longtime Cubs fan, you’re almost conditioned to expect the sort of loss that the Cardinals suffered last night. As a Cardinals fan, I’m used to my team winning those games.
Lance - October 9, 2009
Kilgore: Smell that? You smell that?
Lance: What?
Kilgore: Schadenfreude, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that.
[kneels]
Kilgore: I love the smell of schadenfreude in the morning. You know, one time we had a 2-1 lead going, all the way to the 9th. When it was all over, I walked up. We didn’t find one of ‘em, not one smug Card fan. The smell, you know that humiliation smell, the whole hill. Smelled like
[sniffing, pondering]
Kilgore: victory. Someday this war’s gonna end…
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
This post
Is enough to explain why so many Cubs fans are so happy with the meltdown yesterday.
vonde6 - October 9, 2009
Ignore the troll
“I’m a Cardinals fan, I’m used to winning those games” blah blah. Like when they guaranteed that series win against the Braves back in the mid 90’s. And then lost 3 games in a row to blow a 3-1 series lead. No team is immune. But excuse me for questioning one of the best fans in baseball. Morans!
LT - October 9, 2009
Why "inexplicably" lost in the lights?
I have watched games at Dodger Stadium for 40 years. I have seen dozens of soft hump backed line drives get lost in the lights there. It is because of the way the upper deck is configured, combined with the night time glare.
azjazzman - October 9, 2009
Oh.....quit blaming Holiday....
BUT….the total team meltdown was completely ENJOYABLE……..
kcjones - October 9, 2009
Don't let facts get in the way.
Tackle Box - October 9, 2009
Which facts do you think that I'm ignoring?
Lance - October 9, 2009
omg
I was agreeing with you….
Tackle Box - October 9, 2009
I didn't find the columnist's remarks upsetting as a Cubs fan.
I have watched both games and I commented at home last night that some of St. Louis’ play reminds me of the Cubs in 2007-2008. It was more a reaction/remark in disbelief and not intended as a continued slam of the Cubs. I just took this as the columnist trying to make his point to St. Louis fans as strongly as possible, and in St. Louis that must mean association with the Cubs. Someone might do the same in a story targeted for Sox fans.
DudeVf11 - October 9, 2009
To quote Flounder from Animal house
“Oh boy is this great!” I thoroughly enjoyed watching them choke away that game. I currently have Matt Holliday missing that ball as the background image on my computer. I was almost half tempted to call that st.louis fan bar in Chicago and ask if they’ll have enough champagne on ice for the Dodgers celebration on Saturday night. Now they know how it feels. As for that journalist, well I shouldn’t even give him that distinction because it’d be an insult to me considering I’m an up and coming journalist myself. What a mook. Talk about inferiority complex down in Stl. It’s like they won’t admit they suck because they are too up their own asses so whats the next best thing lets take cheap shots at the Cubs. Way to stay classy St. Louis.
Cubbinstrongsince86 - October 9, 2009
What St. Louis bar?
This exists? I mean we have people from all over and every bar seems to cater to a niche but I have not heard of a St. Louis bar.
IllinoisCubs - October 9, 2009
oh it exists
Unfortunately. Its called Sedgwicks. I would’ve loved,loved,loved to have been in that bar when they blew it.
Cubbinstrongsince86 - October 9, 2009
Did not realize Sedgwick's was a Cards bar
1935 N. Sedgwicks, Chicago IL 312.337.7900 sedgwicks1@aol.com
For anyone who wants to ask about champagne on ice for game 3
IllinoisCubs - October 9, 2009
you mean this place?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbbMHczsh-A
Mapmaker - October 9, 2009
Or this if you prefer English
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTJMerul33E
Mapmaker - October 9, 2009
THIS IS AN AWESOME RESPONSE!!
To what is likely the clientele at a StLu bar!
EXCELLENT!
tville - October 9, 2009
That's a pretty wide brush you're painting with.
…..It’s like they won’t admit they suck because they are too up their own asses so whats the next best thing lets take cheap shots at the Cubs. Way to stay classy St. Louis.
-————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————-You say you’re an “up and coming journalist”, eh? Statements like that will certainly distinguish you and set you apart from Bernie, won’t they? I can see how you will be far more “classy.” Thinking about “asking if they’ll have enough champagne on ice……” now that’s REAL classy.
It sounds like you can’t really separate Bernie from the fans. You say “what a mook”. then, with no start of new paragraph, you say “Talk about inferiority complex down in Stl. It’s like THEY won’t admit THEY suck because THEY are too up THEIR own asses so whats the next best thing LETS take cheap shots at the Cubs. Way to stay classy St. Louis”
If you really want to be an “up and coming journalist” you should learn to use some punctuation. That last sentence is seriously flawed. And who are the “they” you’re talking about? It was Bernie (not the fans) that took a cheap shot at the Cubs, (and it WAS a cheap shot and tasteless), much like your cheap shot at St Louis and the fans because of what Bernie said.
and I’m still trying to digest……..“almost half tempted….”
Your comment sounds like something a high school kid would say.
I don’t mean this as a cheap shot (it’s not my style) but, you really aren’t in a very good position to accuse St. Louis of having an inferiority complex. That’s sort of like Madonna telling me I have questionable morals.
Dave Pendleton - October 10, 2009
how is that an inferiority complex?
i think you don’t know what it means
prophetjohn - October 10, 2009
What's so perplexing to me is..
How the the dodgers can play so badly the end of the year, nearly giving away the division to the rockies, but yet once the calendar turns to October and the playoffs begin, they become this unstoppable force, especially in the division series……
nmcubsfan - October 9, 2009
Two words.
Joe Torre.
santoswoodenlegs - October 9, 2009
That's what I've been recently thinking....he really is a very, very good manager.
zevkalman - October 9, 2009
If you paid a little closer attention
you would’ve noticed that while the Dodgers did not play particularly well down the stretch, whenever their lead was threatened, they won the important games that they had to win.
Also note that the Cardinals didn’t play particularly well down the stretch, either.
And it’s not like the Dodgers have dominated. They won Game 1 by two runs, and by all rights, should have lost Game 2.
azjazzman - October 9, 2009
yeah but.....
what shoulda happened didn’t, and now they’re up 2-0 and looking at moving on to the phillies/rockies……you don’t have to dominate to win, just win. And that’s what they seem to do come october
nmcubsfan - October 9, 2009
SEE 2006 CARDINALS
kcjones - October 9, 2009
I really found nothing wrong with the article
The Cards are acting like last years Cubs.
It was an amusing take on the situation.
Arbusto - October 9, 2009
I thought it was a silly take.
Can’t think of anything else, so bash the Cubs. How original.
Al Yellon - October 9, 2009
He could of at least thrown in an "Ow! My Balls!" reference.
santoswoodenlegs - October 9, 2009
Vin Scully's: Talk about a painful error
is better then “Ow! My Gonads”
eths - October 9, 2009
better than
bashing your balls. oh wait they already did that. ZING
TJ3117 - October 9, 2009
The Cards are hitting like the 09 CUBS......
Throw all the other superstitious BS out
kcjones - October 9, 2009
I truly enjoyed
that 9th inning last night. Thank you Dodgers. Despite ruining my Fall last year, your 1 game away from making my Fall this year. Petty? Maybe, do I care, no!
slocs55 - October 9, 2009
Deadspin even has a humorous take on the fun that we all had last night....
From here:
zevkalman - October 9, 2009
beautiful
I can’t wait to ride them soo hard next season especially if they get swept. Ah Christmas has come early for us Cubs fans.
Cubbinstrongsince86 - October 9, 2009
Not Christmas.....
But at least a small measure of consolation that the Dodgers are doing to them what they did to the cubs last year…….
nmcubsfan - October 9, 2009
fair enough
but needless to say watching them self emplode, puts a smile on my face and almost, but not completely makes up for this miserable season.
Cubbinstrongsince86 - October 9, 2009
It could never make up for the miserable season
What it does make up for is the crap we got from their fans in 2007 and 2008.
Ace Venom - October 9, 2009
very true
I still enjoyed it non the less.
Cubbinstrongsince86 - October 9, 2009
Easy there fellas
They still have to lose this series. God forbid they come back and win.
Mapmaker - October 9, 2009
I'm just enjoying all the RISP/LOB.....
And I want Holiday in LF at wrigley next year….think StL will take Sorryano for him???
kcjones - October 9, 2009
considering holliday is a free agent...
probably not
jesus christos - October 9, 2009
This deadspin entry is a thing of beauty.
chilango2 - October 9, 2009
As was Matt Holliday's play last night.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
There you go ...
Perfect example of what we Cubs fans deal with living in Southern Illinois. Not only the Cardinal fans, but their broadcasters, TV media, newspapers are all on this bandwagon. Constantly. Every time I hear “great fans in St. Louis” and “what a great rivalry” I throw up a little bit. Even Al says good things about the Cardinals SB Nation site … but I can find nothing good to say about anything Cardinals.
StampMe - October 9, 2009
Every time I hear of the "great fans in St. Louis"
(Which by the way comes mostly from Buck/McCarver), I am reminded of a Cubs/Cardinals game at Wrigley Field I went to in 2006. There were Cardinals fans about 5-10 rows behind me, and they gradually got more and more rowdy as the game went on (Cubs were winning).
When the Cardinals hit into a double play, I heard (paraphrase) “Gosh, darn it!”
After the game ended in a Cubs victory, they threw chewing gum at Cubs fans near them. I was targeted, but the gum went by my cousin’s wife.
Such great sportsmanship, especially at someone else’s ballpark.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
First Mizzou, then the Cardinals.
What a great Thursday night.
dtpollitt - October 9, 2009
Al, I loved this part:
StevenABQ - October 9, 2009
It ain't over yet, gang.
So don’t dance on anybody’s grave, just yet.
San Diego Smooth Jazz Man - October 9, 2009
Wise words, Indeed
azjazzman - October 9, 2009
How about this?
I wait to dance until the Dodgers win on Saturday. Deal?
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
But on their stage, there we can dance
eths - October 9, 2009
I'll enjoy dancing on either one of their graves.......
kcjones - October 9, 2009
get a brain!
morans
FloridaCubsFan - October 9, 2009
eths - October 9, 2009
Now Cards fans in VEB are discussing the"ex-Cubs factor" as a reason for their loss:
I quote from an hour ago:
Someone else on VEB mentioned that Wellemyer is still around too…and that enters into the ex-Cub factor.
Poor Cardinal fans. Can it be that your team just choked, and it has nothing to do with the Chicago National League Ballclub?
zevkalman - October 9, 2009
NO ITS BOB BRENLYS FAULT
ITS DEROSAS FAULT
CCCCCUUUUUUUUUBBBSSSS
jesus christos - October 9, 2009
Just choking, now that might be their Cardinal Sin.
eths - October 9, 2009
I don't want to do it myself so maybe someone can help,
but how did we collectively react last year after game 2? Just to draw parallels and come up with a functioning sociological theory.
chilango2 - October 9, 2009
I think we had mostly given up, as I recall.
Al Yellon - October 9, 2009
I remember thinking "Oh dear god, not again"
and this from a staunch atheist.
eths - October 9, 2009
I don't believe for a second that YOU gave up at that point Al.
Not with 3 games left. I know I was still hoping.
katie casey - October 9, 2009
Yes, I distinctly remember
Al’s Game Day post being a typical listing of reasons why the Cubs could go into LA and win two and then win Game 5 in Chicago. It started with the fact that the Cubs still hadn’t pitched Lilly yet.
But, this situation is quite a bit different…the Cubs had to go into Dodger Stadium and win two games just to get it back to Chicago for a Game 5…and they had been pretty thoroughly dominated in the first two games.
The Cardinals have been competitive in two games in LA, should have won Game 2, and now they get to play two in St, Louis. They may not get it to a Game 5 in LA, but I’ve got to like their chances better than the Cubs last year.
azjazzman - October 9, 2009
Wellemeyer isn't on the Cardinals' NLDS roster.
So each team has only one.
Other ex-Cubs in the Division Series:
Boston: Joey Gathright
NY Yankees: Chad Gaudin, Jerry Hairston Jr.
LA Angels: Gary Matthews Jr.
Philadelphia: Scott Eyre, Paul Bako, Matt Stairs, Miguel Cairo
Colorado: Jason Marquis
Minnesota: Ron Mahay, Brendan Harris
Looks like the Phillies are hosed.
Al Yellon - October 9, 2009
That's why the Phillies will go all the way - Go Cubs by way of proxy
eths - October 9, 2009
Wait- isn't that supposed to be why they WON'T?
“The Ex-Cub Factor” The more ex-Cubs on your roster, the less likely your teams win the playoffs?
Zeke - October 9, 2009
By sheer suckitude,
I’d say it’s the Yanks who have it worse.
chilango2 - October 9, 2009
You might think..
… that Joey Gathright is the ex-Cub in that list with the fewest appearances as a Cub.
But you’d be wrong.
Gathright played in 20 games with 15 plate appearances.
Brendan Harris played in 3 games with 10 PA.
Al Yellon - October 9, 2009
Isn't Sergio Mitre still on the Yankees?
Or did he not make the postseason roster?
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
He's not on the Division Series roster.
Al Yellon - October 9, 2009
OMG. I had NO idea Gathright was even still playing
Doggie Stalker - October 9, 2009
mostly as a pinch runner
jesus christos - October 9, 2009
Gathright
Is a perfect example of how to put someone on your roster intelligently (Red Sox) vs stupidly (Cubs).
KyCubsFan - October 10, 2009
MMMMM....let's seee.....
Holiday and DeRosa scored their only runs……..gee…..seems to me if it wasn’t for them, there wouldn’t have been a bottom of the 9th….
kcjones - October 9, 2009
I have a confession to make.
I don’t hate the Cardinals. There I said it. I don’t hate the Cardinals. I’m not saying I like them by any means, but for some reason or other I’ve never learned to hate them. Around my house it’s more about hating the Sox. We are also near Brewer territory, so I do understand the sentiment. I just don’t share in it to the extent I feel I should.
This article today combined with the whining about towels and some of your posts about why to hate them is helping me to see the light, but now I’m just confused. I had been rooting for the Cardinals because to me it somehow makes the Cubs look better if the Cardinals do well. I’d rather come in second to a really great team. Do you know what I mean? I’d also like to see someone in the NL central win. Also because I can’t root for the Dodgers. I just can’t. Not after last year-that wound still hasn’t healed properly. Every time I see that Dodger team I cringe. So I have been somewhat rooting for the Cardinals against my better judgement. Does that make me evil? Do I have to turn in my Cub fan membership card? Is there any hope for my recovery?
katie casey - October 9, 2009
no, we just shred it
jesus christos - October 9, 2009
nope
in the end of the day if the Cubs aren’t in it…..well who cares then. root for whoever. i root for individual players id like to see win the world series. ie tori hunter, derosa…
TJ3117 - October 9, 2009
About this,
You don’t have to. Each membership card, as I recall, let’s the owner make up his or her mind as to which teams to hate, and then the hated teams are put on the membership card by the owner.
On my card, the “hated teams” are (in this order) St. Louis, Boston, and the NY Yankees.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
Typo there.
“Each membership card, as I recall, lets the owner make up his or her mind”
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
Mine would be White Sox, White Sox, White Sox
I also have a problem with the Yankees, Marlins, Diamondbacks, Braves(it’s the chop), and the Astros to a lesser extent.
The crazy part about our hating the White Sox is that I had a grandfather(never met him-died before I was born) that played in the minors for the Sox. You’d think my dad would have brought us up as Sox fans, but no. Kinda weird.
katie casey - October 9, 2009
This diatribe, which appeared yesterday on Halos Heaven, sums up how I feel about Red Sox fans, and, by extension, why Boston makes the list of hated teams on my membership card.
There’s more there, but I think the meaning is clear. Most of the other things said are not issues I have with Boston or their fans. The one I quoted is.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
I hope we can all morph there....
NEXT YEAR
kcjones - October 9, 2009
my enemies list is...
Cardinals, Marlins, White Sox, Padres, Mets, Yankees, Giants, Diamondbacks, Houston
Cubbinstrongsince86 - October 9, 2009
The White Sox don't make my "enemies list." Heck, they don't even come close.
Here are my enemies: Cardinals, Red Sox, Yankees, Padres, Diamondbacks, Astros, Brewers, Phillies, and Marlins.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
if you knew any of my friends
the sox would be on your enemies list lol. I like the red sox pre-2005. they were like us until they won and got an ego about them.
Cubbinstrongsince86 - October 9, 2009
everybody's list
Is partially determined by where they grew up and where they live. I grew up in central Illinois, and the Cub and Cardinal fans were at each other’s throats. But White Sox fans are very rare downstate. I never learned to hate them, and barely knew they existed. It only see a significant number of them when I visit Chicago.
I live near San Francisco, and I have a somewhat more benign view of the Giants.
vonde6 - October 9, 2009
I find it's much easier to cheer for your "favorites" than stress over "enemies"
and I’m fortunate enough to have 4 favorite teams – Cubs, Indians, Pirates, and…
…who’s ever playing the Yankees! ;-)
ballhawk - October 9, 2009
I happen to believe that you can
cheer for the team that is playing your rival to beat them, without it rising to the level of hate. It’s like that old canard (paraphrasing to fit the topic): “My two favorite teams are the Cubs and whoever is playing the Cardinals”.
To me, that is a lot healthier than gloating or doing a dance when the team that you like has something bad happen to them.
azjazzman - October 9, 2009
Team the you *don't* like, I meant
azjazzman - October 9, 2009
Freakin' Sager
If the Twins lose this series, I’m blaming Sager.
Jerk shoulda kept the damned bar open, too…
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
UIBB to Mauer
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Anyone still here?
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
Time for a song....
ALL BY MYSELF!!!!!!
DON’T WANNA BE ALL BY MYSELF!!!!!!
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
Hey, pipe down.
santoswoodenlegs - October 9, 2009
You'll have to speak up. I can't hear you over the band.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
At least these guys are better than last nights band....
santoswoodenlegs - October 9, 2009
organ players minus the organ
LAcarl519 - October 9, 2009
Oh my.
I say I can’t hear the photoshop artist over the band, and poof!
I go to get something at the supermarket, and come back to this. If I could pick one way this thread would go, I would not have guessed this.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
How about this band?
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
Or this band? ... lookit those hats!
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
i've always like this band
their sentimental send up of “Lost In The Stars” gets me everytime
cubnational - October 9, 2009
Still my favorite.
santoswoodenlegs - October 9, 2009
These guys could also play, too.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
Those guys or these guys?
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
You left out the singer.
santoswoodenlegs - October 9, 2009
Yeah, I knew something was missing.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
But hey, they don't have a blue elephant in the band!
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
I thought Spock played the regular guitar.
See?
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
One question ... where is Uhura in that?
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
here
cubnational - October 9, 2009
Oh my. I had completely forgotten about that scene, especially since that movie was so bad.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
that movie really, really, really did suck
cubnational - October 9, 2009
this was much better
cubnational - October 9, 2009
Nice eyes. They look like his in Star Trek.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
these eyes were much better
cubnational - October 9, 2009
Sure wish I could see them.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
OK
that’s as far as I’m going with Marla. Harry had the last laugh
cubnational - October 9, 2009
Fail again.
chilango2 - October 9, 2009
Again, I sure wish I could see them.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
Kölsch? Karnival?
eths - October 10, 2009
Damn Yankees.
dtpollitt - October 9, 2009
Why do you doubt me?
santoswoodenlegs - October 9, 2009
Dirty Yankees
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Cedeno!
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
no, ONEDEC
cubnational - October 9, 2009
Not on that play
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
May their lamentation never cease
cubnational - October 9, 2009
theres something about cardinal fans crying in their seats that makes me giddy
jesus christos - October 9, 2009
i hope two of them are the jerks who harrassed my wife and my SIL
two drunks whose mockery of them took place after the Red Turds took the division a couple years ago outside Wrigleyville Sports while me and my brother were inside shopping to ease the pain. They wisely said nothing to us until we were in the car heading to Harry Carey’s to get Ryno’s autograph.
i would give good money to see those ding dong’s faces now
cubnational - October 9, 2009
Score of tonight's game?
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
Maaaan that was a nice nap.
0s through 5. Blackburn’s no-hitter broke with two outs in the bottom of the 5th.
chilango2 - October 9, 2009
0-0 last I saw
Matching pitching gems from Blackburn and Burnett
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
there's a game going on right now?
cubnational - October 9, 2009
I don't know.
I’ve been busy posting strange pictures.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
We've got snow :/
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Where you at?
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
Fargo
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Please don't send that to us in Vermont.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
I don't think this will make it that far
Probably slowly move south and turn into rain
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
So sorry bud. It's been raining for two days in Chicago
if it’s any consolation.
chilango2 - October 9, 2009
Twins 1-0!
LAcarl519 - October 9, 2009
Soriano would've caught that for sure
chilango2 - October 9, 2009
so would have holliday
jesus christos - October 9, 2009
Damon did a nice imitation of Rowand on that one
LAcarl519 - October 9, 2009
Baseball on the radio, wrasslin' on TV, and some good Thai food
Friday nights don’t get much better than this! ;-)
ballhawk - October 9, 2009
Per-iph-ER-al
Not per-iph-E-al, Ron
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Damn Chip and his damn screaming.
chilango2 - October 9, 2009
He is definitely pro-Yankee.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
Excitable boy
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Big-time.
He’s channeling Joe Buck.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
Tie game
Crap
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Damn Yankees.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
Now I'm serious:
Soriano would’ve had him at the plate. Delmon Young’s arm is terrible.
chilango2 - October 9, 2009
that's bein generous
cubnational - October 9, 2009
That's assuming Soriano got to that ball when Young did
Knowing Sori, he’d be somewhere in CF still
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Whaaaaat? Yankees signed that ex-Bears running back, Matt Suhey?
ballhawk - October 9, 2009
Facing the Mahay kid
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
well done, sir
ballhawk - October 9, 2009
HAHAHAHA
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
Reggie Jackson's nickname is "The Big Bopper"?
Really Chip? Since when?
chilango2 - October 9, 2009
Chip Carey is the first Chip I have ever seen who is not a real estate broker who went
to school at USC, and who puts his name in quotes, like:
Ned “Chip” Jackson
LAcarl519 - October 9, 2009
WTH, Blackberry????
Background music fail. You do not remake any Beatles songs.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
Great minds
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Unless you are Aerosmith
and are infinitely cooler.
Goodie1969 - October 9, 2009
Sorry, fella.
I’m a fan of The Beatles.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
Not to mention
That cover was for a really crappy movie.
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
You can't be fans of both?
Beatles wrote great songs, that’s true. “Get Back” was the Number 1 song in America when I was born, so I’ve always had a fondness for them, but Aerosmith’s “Come Together” is sicker, sleazier, and more full of gooey rock-n-roll grease than the Beatles could ever hope to replicate.
Some songs are meant to be covered.
Goodie1969 - October 9, 2009
Point taken.
However, I don’t think “All You Need is Love” is one of them.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
True.
Plus, Blackberry sucks. You got a point there.
Goodie1969 - October 9, 2009
Just for fun
A good Beatles cover and a helluva homage to one of the greatest Chicago-based movies ever.
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
That song is made to be covered.
Regardless of who sings it.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
No doubt
Truly a classic.
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
On this one
I think the Beatles did it best. Paul’s screaming vocals are perfect.
To an entire generation of Americans, this song and movie are synonymous.
Goodie1969 - October 9, 2009
Not necessarily a bad thing
But I’m a sucker for that flick.
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Like Money (That's What I Want)?
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Today is John Lennon's birthday
Would have been 69. Hard to believe.
patches23 - October 9, 2009
I defer to the great Denis Leary who said
"We live in a country where John Lennon takes six bullets in the chest. Yoko Ono is standing right next to him. Not one fucking bullet! Explain that to me!"
Goodie1969 - October 9, 2009
No Cure for Cancer is still one of my favorite comedy albums
I used to mix snippets of it into my sets when I DJ’ed – really messed with people’s heads
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
LOL
Me too! I cut in the bits when he was talking about coke and the 1970’s over top of some disco/house jams, and the crowds used to love it.
Goodie1969 - October 9, 2009
Blackberry using a terrible cover of "All You Need Is Love" to shill their crappy phones
Good thing Paul is dead – he’d be livid.
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Paul is dead? I didn't believe you at first...
…but then I scrolled through this thread backwards and confirmed it.
ballhawk - October 9, 2009
I'm not the only one
Who wants to call him Jerek Deeter…
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
GO-dan, Chip
Not GAW-dan
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Hey Chip!
Where is your enthusiasm on that base hit????
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
His dad was better.
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Am I the only person who thinks Ron Darling
sounds like that guy from all the Adam Sandler movies?
Goodie1969 - October 9, 2009
They're just showing the broadcast booth on TBS.
The vision in my right eye is slowly going on me. Are they trying to speed up the process????
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
On to the 8th
1-1
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
It still cracks me up that the Twins have a Harris and a Tolbert
They oughtta sign Vaughan, Dorn, and Taylor, as well.
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Why are the fans booing?
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
Because they're racists
chilango2 - October 9, 2009
hahahaha
daily2b - October 9, 2009
Is Aaron Heilman
in the stadium?
Goodie1969 - October 9, 2009
now they have something to boo...
and me to cheer!!!
ballhawk - October 9, 2009
Good hit-and-run
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
2-1 Twins :D
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Nick Punto!
2-1
chilango2 - October 9, 2009
Punto with the go-ahead hit!
Screw the yankees
nji232 - October 9, 2009
Twins lead, 2-1!!!!!
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
3-1!
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Fisted to center!
chilango2 - October 9, 2009
3-1!
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
Either TBS sound mixers are terrible
or Chip needs to back up off that microphone. Damn…
Goodie1969 - October 9, 2009
But we'll miss his cunning call of fisting fury!
chilango2 - October 9, 2009
They could probably put the mic outside the booth
and you’d still hear him just fine. Dude is spiking the VU meter.
Goodie1969 - October 9, 2009
All you bikers in the city... LOCK AND LOAD!
Jimmyeatworld - October 9, 2009
Jimmy!
It’s cold and damp in Chicago. I’m not ready for winter yet.
Would rather be out there in Cali about now.
Goodie1969 - October 9, 2009
GOODIE!
It’s 66 here, with a light breeze. I’ve got freakin’ sandals on… Come on out, I’ve got room for ya- besides Wink the meister would love to see ya.
Jimmyeatworld - October 9, 2009
Jimmy!
How you doing in California? (almost wrote Chicago there)
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
Vermont!
Long day at work. Can’t wait to get this project off the ground next week! Doing good for an old man…
Jimmyeatworld - October 9, 2009
What. A. Play. Brendan Harris.
chilango2 - October 9, 2009
Nice grab by Harris there!!!!
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
You know what? I don't really like avocados...
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
You know what I love? Women's college volleyball.
I hate avocados.
chilango2 - October 9, 2009
I dated a volleyball player in college
She was fun – wonder what happened to her…
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Most of them became lesbians at my school...
Jimmyeatworld - October 9, 2009
Yeah, same luck at mine...
Damn shame, because I’m looking at some photos right now that…
chilango2 - October 9, 2009
Yeah Chil... those ass huggin' bottoms- college boys dream!
Jimmyeatworld - October 9, 2009
I used to love waching the proper parents
and grandparents of small-town Iowa sit at the college volleyball games and look on obliviously as hundreds of males at the age of their sexual peak leered wickedly at healthy young athletic girls in skin-tight clothing.
I’m not kidding, there were hundreds of us!
Goodie1969 - October 9, 2009
Many a conversation went like this...
“Ok, it’s Friday night, what are we going to do?”
“There’s a women’s VB game against Briar Cliff.”
“I’ll drive!”
Jimmyeatworld - October 9, 2009
I keep getting distracted
by the picture right below this comment.
Goodie1969 - October 9, 2009
Ok then, I'll drive...
Jimmyeatworld - October 9, 2009
Best part about volleyball players?
They already own kneepads…
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
yeeahhh boy!
Jimmyeatworld - October 9, 2009
Is this her?
chilango2 - October 9, 2009
Huskie women are a good thing...
ballhawk - October 9, 2009
CCSU's mascot is the Blue Devil
Close, though…
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Wrong school :P
Although she bears a striking resemblence
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Where did you go to school? Chico State perchance?
chilango2 - October 9, 2009
Never mind. UW Superior is taking the lead for looks right now.
Followed by Concordia University and then Chico State.
chilango2 - October 9, 2009
Emory University
Where the women either dated Georgia Tech guys or Agnes Scott girls.
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Now that's what I'm talkin' 'bout!
Jimmyeatworld - October 9, 2009
And on the food side of things
Made meatballs tonight, but used coarsely-chopped garlic instead of the minced stuff. Great flavor and the the chunks of garlic give the meatballs a little crunch. Tasty!
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
once the Cubs are eliminated (an annual event)
I always cheer for the two smallest market teams (or teams that would be the worst draws) to make it to the WS. I figure that’s the least I can do to get back at Fox and MLB for all those crappy Saturday blackouts
would that be Twins & Rockies this year?
LAcarl519 - October 9, 2009
Twins and Cards Carl...
Jimmyeatworld - October 9, 2009
NO....
Twins and Rockies…..gotta love baseball in the snow
kcjones - October 9, 2009
In terms of smallest markets, YES, it would be the Twins and Cards...
In terms of worst draws, it would be Twins and Rockies. FIXED.
Jimmyeatworld - October 14, 2009
Throw strikes, please.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
Um, not those kind.
Damn Yankees.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
Tie game
Poop
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Tie game
chilango2 - October 9, 2009
And the Twins just choked
Should have just walked A-Rod.
Ace Venom - October 9, 2009
Nathan's got no control :(
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
TWSS
BleedsbluinMI - October 9, 2009
!DOR-A
has turned it around in the post-season.
Goodie1969 - October 9, 2009
DOR-A the EXPLOR-A?
chilango2 - October 9, 2009
Nathan is doing his best Kevin Gregg impression. :(
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
Just give him the goggles
and he’s almost got it. Except that fly out to center would’ve been a tape measure walk-off.
Goodie1969 - October 9, 2009
Wondering what the all commotion upstairs was
Then I realized that they’re watching the game, too :D
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
The Yankees fans don't deserve A-Rod
Oh well, as much as I hate the damn yankees I love seeing A-Rod prove those morons wrong
nji232 - October 9, 2009
Free baseball
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
I guess the umps
called buffalo wild wings
LT - October 9, 2009
Lets go Twins!
Devin B - October 9, 2009
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/12338000
how sweet of barry to do that
jesus christos - October 9, 2009
Good for him
A very nice gesture, indeed
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Is it next to the Jeff Kent Psychiatric Wing?
KyCubsFan - October 10, 2009
Nice. Play. By. Cabrera.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
Hip-hip ... Jorge!
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
So go to the link below
Right here. Click the first youtube video (mute the sound of course) and see what strange white things are waving in the Busch stadium crowd.
nji232 - October 9, 2009
Real fans don't need props
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Twins choking it away
BleedsbluinMI - October 9, 2009
unfortunately
sue369 - October 9, 2009
No one in the Twins bullpen can find the zone, apparently.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
6-5 DP!
:)
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Nice DP!!!!!!
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
Wow
nice play by Cabrera to end the inning
nji232 - October 9, 2009
Score here Twins!
sue369 - October 9, 2009
Shit call there ump.
sue369 - October 9, 2009
I thought that's why they brought in extra umps for these games
So they wouldn’t blow calls like that
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Yes, and he did anyway
Ump was squatting looking right down the line. How does he miss that?
BleedsbluinMI - October 9, 2009
And it hit the LF's glove
In fair territory
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Terrible call. Not even close. Ground rule double.
BleedsbluinMI - October 9, 2009
Clogged
No outs!
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
This is crap
It should be 4-3 now. Unreal
nji232 - October 9, 2009
If the Yankees get out of this my head might explode
nji232 - October 9, 2009
Un freaking believable
How fucking lucky
nji232 - October 9, 2009
Good thing the Twins don't know that
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
FPSM x 2
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
unbelievable
jesus christos - October 9, 2009
Dirty
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
son of a b#^&(
sue369 - October 9, 2009
There is a LF umpire and he misses that?
Hopefully he’s removed from his job tonight. I can’t believe how lucky the Yankees are, now A-Rod will hit a walkoff.
nji232 - October 9, 2009
what was the blown call about
jesus christos - October 9, 2009
mauer hit a double down the line
called foul, it was fair by a foot
nji232 - October 9, 2009
That puts a runner on second for Kubel's single
at minimum that is first and third no outs, if not 4-3. Next batter got a single too making it 4-3 for sure
nji232 - October 9, 2009
with that and all the crap calls against the red sox last night
youd think the umps are being paid by the yankees or something
jesus christos - October 9, 2009
Lousy, rotten...
Grrrrr!
Clutch16 - October 9, 2009
Yanks can thank the ump for this one.
sue369 - October 9, 2009
Walk off homer Yankees win
This whole game is BS, I can’t wait for them to be eliminated
nji232 - October 9, 2009
Twins lose.
Damn Yankees.
Vermont Cubs Fan - October 9, 2009
who here will not be surprised if tex wins the MVP award over mauer
jesus christos - October 9, 2009
That would be a crime punishable by deportation for all BBWAA members if you ask me
nji232 - October 9, 2009
east coast magic baby
jesus christos - October 9, 2009
He's not even the most deserving candidate on the team.
Ozzie Montana - October 9, 2009
i said the same thing about pedroia last year..
jesus christos - October 9, 2009
Youkilis? Dustin played a more important defensive position, so he was a fair choice
Though I don’t know if baseball writers particularly care about positional adjustments.
Ozzie Montana - October 9, 2009
I believe the votes are cast before the post season.
Doggie Stalker - October 9, 2009
yep
LT - October 9, 2009
Don't forget
to give credit to the ump for your win too.
sue369 - October 9, 2009
Fixing Wikipedia on a slow night
For some reason I decided to re-read the Wiki entry on Greg Maddux and some idiot or prankster had written that Maddux currently lives in HILLSBOROUGH CA. I don’t think so. I took care of changing it to Vegas. Maddux is very protective of his home town. I don’t see how this could be a mistake either. Maddux has a beach house in Dana Point but that is nowhere near Hillsborough. I wonder if somebody is just going around and changing little stuff like that for fun.
Doggie Stalker - October 9, 2009
...
ballhawk - October 9, 2009
That looks like a stupid peanut butter cookie
I want a chocolate chip or double chocolate chip.
Doggie Stalker - October 9, 2009
here's what you get for NOT saying "please"
ballhawk - October 9, 2009
Even with spiders , chocolate is good.
Doggie Stalker - October 10, 2009
Not even a "thank you"?
No “please”, no “thank you”… I know you live in New York, but you were raised in the Midwest, weren’t you? Girl, where are your manners?
ballhawk - October 10, 2009
Well a double chocolate chip cookie would be worth a thank you
or a brownie but a plain cookie and a spider chocolate cookie not so much.
Thanks for ball for my birthday though.
Doggie Stalker - October 10, 2009
those damn ignoramuses!
jesus christos - October 9, 2009
F*^&%$$ing Wikipedia
They changed Maddux’s residence BACK TO HILLSBOROUGH CA !!!. What is this some kind of prank ? Maddux is one
of the most famous residence of Vegas and is probably one of the most obvious players in terms of home town. I tried
adding a citation this time but not clear how you put it in the right spot.
Doggie Stalker - October 10, 2009
Is this a Wiki mistake too ?
I just fixed something else on the Maddux page but I want your opinions. It listed his last MLB APPEARANCE
( that exact phrase) as Sept 27 2008 but since he pitched in the post season his last MLB appearance was Oct. 15
2008. The reason they seem to list the Sept date date is that is listed as his "last game’ in Baseball Reference but
since he clearly made an MLB APPEARANCE on Oct 15 I changed it to that. Do you think this was right ?
If you want to see how it appears look here in the box on the right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Maddux
Doggie Stalker - October 9, 2009
They've been doing this as a "last regular season" appearance
Ace Venom - October 9, 2009
In that case they should change the wording as it says last MLB appearance.
I noted this in my “edit” info so they can change it back but Maddux sure as heck does not live in HIllsborough CA.
Slightly OT trivia question. Has a player ever made his debut in a post season game ? It is technically possible as
an injury replacement but seems pretty unlikely.
Doggie Stalker - October 9, 2009
C'mon Angels
close the game out.
Cubbiegoon - October 9, 2009
The LF ump crapped the bed for sure
but, the Twins had bases loaded ZERO outs and couldn’t score. That’s backbreaking.
Curtain Jerker - October 9, 2009
Angels win 4-1
DO IT FOR NICKEY!!!
Cubbiegoon - October 9, 2009
His family lives in Algonquin.
Tackle Box - October 10, 2009
In case you're not convinced the fix is in for the Yankees,
here’s the video clip of the blown call earlier tonight – linky
Not only did the ball land in fair territory by 4-6 inches, but it hit the LFer’s glove first while he was still in fair territory. And the most amazing thing of all is… the ump was in perfect position!!! None of this “Joe West waddling down the line so he can get 5 feet closer to a play that’s 100 feet away” stuff. This ump (Phil Cuzzi) was already well down the line and had turned around so he was looking right at the LFer and the line when the ball came down. He couldn’t have been more than 15-20 ft away from where the ball landed. And the dark green grass with a white foul line – it just doesn’t get any easier than this.
I’ve umpired before so I understand it’s not an easy job but this one really baffles the mind.
ballhawk - October 10, 2009
He should be demoted or fired for that.
That turned the game. He was, like you said, less than 10 feet from the ball. It wasn’t even close.
dtpollitt - October 10, 2009
Like I said above, you gotta score with bases loaded no outs
Also, the next batter hit a single – right to where Texheria would have been had he not been holding Mauer on first. It would have been (likely) runner on 2nd 1 out had Mauer been on 2nd with a ground rule double, instead on runners on first and 2nd no outs.
Again, it was a terrible call, but it didn’t cost the Twins the game.
Curtain Jerker - October 10, 2009
Baseball Gods have...
an east coast bias too.
The Cards suck, and so does the city of St. Louis (one of the crappiest American cities I’ve been to). Go Dodgers!
propheteer - October 10, 2009
cards fan here
bernie miklasz is a terrible journalist. he’s condescending to his readers, ignores objective analysis in favor of sensationalism and he’s just an asshole
that said, he has a point. cubs choked the last two years, cards are choking this year. don’t see the big deal
prophetjohn - October 10, 2009
sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.
first time i ever rooted for the dodgers. probably the last too.
NOMAR - October 11, 2009
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