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BCB Exclusive Interview: Mayor Scott Smith Of Mesa, Arizona

Cubs spring training belongs here
Photo courtesy Mesa Convention and Visitors Bureau

Earlier this week I went on record as supporting the city of Mesa, Arizona in its effort to keep Cubs spring training there. Things are heating up. Earlier this month the city council of Mesa was supposed to routinely approve the expenditure of up to $750,000 for two new buildings to host indoor batting cages for the Cubs. However, there's now a catch to that:

If it's possible for ears to do a double-take, mine did this morning when Mayor Scott Smith said "the silence ... was deafening" from the Chicago Cubs about building batting cages for the team at Fitch Park.

After Smith's comments, the council unanimously approved the $684,021 contract -- but with the stipulation that no money is to be spent until some of the uncertainty about the team's future is resolved.

And in an apparent effort to end that "deafening silence", Mesa City Manager Chris Brady will be in Chicago today to talk with Crane Kenney and Tom Ricketts about the future of spring training in Mesa.

Which makes this morning's post even more timely. I recently sent some questions via email to Mayor Smith, who graciously agreed to answer them. After the jump you'll hear firsthand from Mesa Mayor Scott Smith. In addition, I'm attaching a poll to this post so you can express your opinion. Please read the question carefully before you answer.

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BCB: The Cubs have trained in Arizona since 1952 (except for one year in Long Beach, CA in 1966), and in Mesa continuously since 1979. You're now getting a challenge from a group in Florida that wants the Cubs to move there. Can you describe the process you are taking to keep the Cubs in Mesa?

Mayor Smith: First, Mesa has identified for the Cubs sites for a state-of-the-art stadium, practice fields and clubhouse/training facility. The stadium site includes property suitable for the development of a Cubs-centered entertainment district to be known as "Wrigleyville West." We have also introduced the Cubs to private developers with whom they will partner in the commercial development. Each of these sites and development partners more than meet both the baseball operational needs and the business opportunity/development potential for the Cubs and fans. In short, the Cubs and their fans could have in Mesa the very best Spring Training facilities and experience in all of baseball.

In November, the Ricketts visited Mesa. The City brought together political leaders from the city council to Arizona Governor Jan Brewer, and community and business leaders to welcome the Ricketts and to demonstrate the unmatched depth and breadth of political and community support for the Cubs in Mesa. Even Senator John McCain appeared via video from Washington. The Ricketts visited all of the potential stadium sites and heard from each of the private developers.

We have sought to demonstrate to the Ricketts that over 50 years of Cubs spring training in Mesa brings more than tradition: it also brings incomparable community support and business opportunity that cannot be replicated.

The combination of overwhelming political support from our federal, state and local leaders combined with so many great development options convinces me that Mesa has delivered the best package the Cubs can ask for.

BCB: What are some of the locations being considered for a new Cubs spring training site?

Mayor Smith: We presented the Cubs with six potential sites for a new stadium and spring training facility in Mesa. All of them are located in the eastern part of the city, in close proximity to the Loop 202 Red Mountain Freeway between Greenfield Road and Phoenix-Mesa Gateway Airport. All of the potential sites have easy freeway and airport access. The Cubs have indicated a preference for a couple of sites in northeast Mesa, and those appear to be the front runners.

BCB: The Diamondbacks and Rockies new complex, opening in 2011, is on Native American land. Are you considering partnering with one of the local tribes?

Mayor Smith: We are open to the possibility of partnering with a tribe, but have not had anything other than what I would call very informal and non-substantive talks with any tribal organization.

BCB: Will the HoHoKams still be involved in running spring training for the Cubs, or are the Cubs planning on running spring training themselves?

Mayor Smith: Our first priority is to keep the Cubs in Mesa. The role the HoHoKams will take should the Cubs stay has not yet been determined.

BCB: In your opinion -- and obviously, as mayor of Mesa you want the Cubs there -- why should they stay in Mesa (or in the Valley) rather than move to Florida?

Mayor Smith: First of all, the Cactus League is THE place of choice for teams and fans in the spring. That is the reason why only one team has moved from Arizona to Florida to train in the past 20 years. That team was the Cleveland Indians, and they moved back to Arizona last year! Over the years, Mesa has proven it can deliver the finest spring experience for the Cubs and its fans. HoHoKam Stadium is the third stadium Mesa has built over the years for the Cubs, and we can do it again! We have the fan base, we have the perfect spring weather, we have the sites that provide the best business opportunity for the Cubs. Springtime in Arizona is a part of Cubs tradition. Cubs fans want the Cubs to stay in Mesa. Cubs players want to stay in Mesa. Cubs employees overwhelmingly want to stay in Arizona. It is no accident that the Cubs sell out nearly every spring training game and consistently lead the Cactus League in ticket sales. Why Mesa? I’ve heard Florida say that Mesa has good things, but where are the beaches? Well, beaches are great, but there are over 12,000 miles of coastline in the United States; there’s only one Sonoran Desert, only one Grand Canyon, and only one place for the Cubs to spend the spring: Mesa, Arizona.

BCB: Are you prepared to meet or beat any offer that comes to the Cubs from the Florida group?

Mayor Smith: We will present a proposal that will provide the Cubs with the best training and fan facility in baseball. We believe that the sites in Mesa also offer the best long-term business opportunity for the Cubs. We are not going to engage in a bidding contest with Florida, because I don’t believe we have to. If we had a substandard offer, I’d be concerned. However, I know Mesa has submitted a stellar proposal that has unmatched political support and fantastic opportunities for a "Wrigleyville West". When you have put your best foot forward, there is no competition. We simply hope the Cubs make their decision based on the merits.

BCB: Is there anything else you'd like to say about this issue that hasn't been covered in the other questions?

Mayor Smith: We can only do so much to convince Cubs ownership that Mesa is the right place for spring training. We need the help of all Cubs fans. If you want the Cubs to stay in Arizona, please let the Cubs know by calling, writing, emailing, voting, or commenting on line. Fans need to speak up, or the traditions we hold dear will be ignored and will be taken from us. Let the Cubs know how you feel!!!
Poll
Assume all baseball-related and financial factors are equal. Given that premise, where would you prefer to see the Cubs hold spring training?
Arizona
566 votes
Florida
131 votes
Doesn't matter/Don't care
129 votes

826 votes | Poll has closed

0 recs  |  49 comments

Comments

Great work Al.

My preference is for the team to stay in AZ, but just so I can attend ST. We vacation in the southwest, not Florida, so my preference is purely selfish.

Any plans to pose the same questions to the Mayor of Naples?

I could, although...

… he’s not the point man for this as the mayor of Mesa is. I’m not quite sure who to contact about that, frankly.

While I want AZ to win, I don't want your good work to degenerate

into a discussion of lack of equal time.

Understood.

If I can figure out who to contact there, or if someone contacts me, sure, I’d do it.

My personal support still goes to the Arizona effort, though.

You can ask me

I’ll be your “expert”. I know about Florida: I went to Disney World once. And I like Dwight Howard.

Al: Thanks for bringing us the interview...

I think the Ricketts are just playing coy to extract better terms. I think FLA is being used.

It takes two to tango and FLA gives the Cubs the leverage they need.

:Snide Comment:

At least the Cubs are preserving their leverage in the ST negotiations. Wish they’d found a way to do the same with MB.

Well, MB might be going to a team in Florida.
Nice work Al...

It appears that there is universal support in Mesa to make whatever effort is needed to keep the Cubs in Arizona.

At the same time, I’d be interested in hearing from the mayor in Naples now.

Like I said...

… I am not sure which political leader in FL is the one leading the effort, if there is one. It appears to be coming from individuals in the private sector.

Can't have what doesn't exist

Right now, there is no political support in Florida. I can see them choosing FL and then having to come back to Mesa once negotiation stall because there is no political support to get it through.

As usual, nice job Al on getting an interview.

Tradition alone speaks volumes here. Stay in Arizona!

This is a real estate deal

It has nothing to do with what’s best for the Cubs on the field or tradition. It has everything to do with getting the most possible money for ownership (and spreading the largesse around to favored developers and real estate types, in the finest Chicago tradition).

Get used to it.

If money's the only issue...

… they can clearly make more money in Arizona.

Al, I too want the Cubs to stay in AZ, but

you’ve lost me here. How can they clearly make more money in AZ?

Many snowbird Cub fans (like you I assume) go to AZ because of the Cubs. Wouldn’t you go to FL if ST was there? Many AZ Cub fan residents go because they are there and the Cubs spring there. There are Cub fans in FL too, the Ricketts for example.

More families may appear for ST as they can combine a couple of days at Disney hell with ST games.

I believe the money to be made is within the real estate deal 3744 crassly mentions.

Money be damned, I hate traveling to FL for vacation in February/March compared to AZ/CA as the rate of warm sunny days is higher in AZ/CA. By CA, I mean the SW part of the state.

Here's the reason.

When people go to Arizona to ballgames — they go to games. It’s easy to go to Cubs home and road games in Arizona. Not so much in FL — the drives are too far. You’d only go to the home games, and then, well — if you’re going for baseball, why go?

There’s a reason why the Cubs hold the record for ALL major league teams in spring attendance, both total and per-game average, even more than the Yankees or Red Sox. That would change in Florida.

do teams get a share of the away game's receipts?
I don't believe so.
I think you're correct

That’s why these types of issues are a priority. I think a majority of the $ spent at the stadiums go right to the locality and the owners of the stadiums. Obviously, the taxes and surcharges tacked onto the tickets and concessions. etc., go to the cities, counties and the state.

I don't follow that.

It seems to me you’re very likely to see three types of fans at Cubs spring training games in Florida, and only two in Arizona. Both will have the local resident fans — more in Mesa now b/c of how long they’ve been there, but that will develop in Naples over time. Both will have people who fly to the ST location specifically to see the Cubs. Only Florida is likely to have a significant number of people who are going to Florida for other reasons, who also decide to add a Cubs game to the agenda.

Florida’s independent attraction as a winter getaway is a plus, not a negative. You seem to be counting the people who go to Florida for other reasons and then don’t go to Cubs games as somehow taking away from the crowd that will fly to FL to see the Cubs. I think that has the numbers in reverse. The committed fan base will be at either place, only one will also have a casual fan base of people who are otherwise just on vacation.

Which might result in lower overall attendance.

JMHO.

I may be following you.

So, it’s not just about Cub fans, but baseball fans.

Are you saying in FL teams are more spread out so you’re more likely to only see fans of the Cubs attending Cub spring training games whereas in AZ White Sox fans may take in a Cub game because it’s convenient and so on?

Further, Cub fans follow the team and attend away games in the valley where they may not in FL?

Wow, if this is true, the Phoenix/Scottsdale area better ante up big to make sure us Cub fans keep buying tickets at the other parks or all the teams may head to FL. Hint Hint….

Yes, I believe all of that is true.

Speaking for myself, there have been many times when in AZ and the Cubs had an off day (or were playing in Tucson, when I didn’t feel like driving there) I would take in a game between other teams.

That’s much more difficult to do in Florida.

Off days!

Excellent point.

actually that's pretty easy to do in Florida as well

at least in the Tampa and Ft. Myers area.

It’d be pretty unusual for the Blue Jays, Phillies, Yankees, Pirates and now Orioles to be all out of town on the same day in the greater Tampa area. Same for the Twins, Red Sox, Rays and presumably Cubs down in the Ft. Myers area.

I’m less familiar with the Atlantic coast sites – they seem more spread out – except for the two that share a camp (Marlins & Cardinals I think).

But the Cubs wouldn't be close to the Tampa area.

Three hour drive.

sigh...

I was talking about the baseball fans in the Tampa area when I mentioned the Tampa area – it’s easy enough for them to see a ballgame every day in close proximity.

And for the Cubs fans in Naples should the Cubs relocate there, it should be easy enough to see a ballgame every day in close proximity with the Twins, Red Sox, Rays and Cubs all in the Ft. Myers area.

OK, but...

… there are only five teams in the Tampa area, and that’s if you include Sarasota.

Three teams “near” the Cubs in FL if they move? Great. There will be 14 teams besides the Cubs in the Phoenix metro area in 2011 — a lot more chances for a game.

have you looked at the ST schedules?

Grapefruit League

Focusing only on the Ft. Myers area where currently three teams train (Twins & Red Sox in Ft. Myers, Rays in Port Charlotte) and only looking at Bos and Min, there is only one day (March 19) where both the Twins and Red Sox play away games, which means every other day in March, there’s at least one game in the Ft. Myers area. And a quick glance at the Rays schedule shows that they are home on March 19. So March is completely covered.

And that’s only three teams. The Cubs would make four. I’m not enough of a math whiz to know how to calculate such things, but I’m sure the odds would increase a good chunk.

Yes, 14 teams is more than 4. But seeing as how you can only go to one game at a time, increasing the odds of seeing a game doesn’t matter much once you hit 100%. Now if you want to nitpick and talk about choice of teams to see in close proximity, then yes, 14 teams is better than 4. Congrats – you win on the variety factor.

But as a Cubs fan

I can see the Cubs every day whether home or away when I’m in Phoenix.

This is all about the money. In the “away” days, I can go spend my money at Wrigleyville West instead of driving 2.5 hours to see them in other cities.

Good point

I am only 20 mins from HHK, Phoenix Municipal and Tempe Diablo. Lots of games to be seen driving no further than a normal “home” game for me.

Hence the reason for the whole "Wrigleyville" concept

Obviously fans will go to the home games, and I’m sure they’ll think nothing of going to away games at Ft. Myers and Port Charlotte. Especially Port Charlotte so they can say hi to and reminisce with their good friend, Milton. ;-)

But you’re right – I’m sure most fans aren’t going to make the 2+ hour drive to Tampa area or even longer to Lakeland/Orlando. So what are they going to do instead? Oh, I don’t know…. maybe spend their money in “Wrigleyville”?

I’m sure there are plenty of food/drink & entertainment venues in the works to keep folks busy on days they choose not to go to games. And I wouldn’t be surprised if the Cubs did something to make the new site more fan-friendly on those away game days. Most of the veterans do not make the long trips, so they stay back, take batting practice, have a light workout then go play golf. There are plenty of ways the Cubs could make that part of the spring training experience for the fans as well.

Which is exactly why ...

… that proposed “Wrigleyville West” concept is a big part of the Mesa plan.

you miss my point...

it can be argued that you would have more of a ‘captive’ audience in Florida on the away game days than you do in Arizona. The way you describe Arizona, the Cubs fans travel to most, if not all, the away games. So there wouldn’t be as many folks back in Wrigleyville on those away game days.

Fans are going to go to Cubs games no matter where they play. I don’t think you have to worry about attendance – it’ll be limited only by the facility they build.

The key to winning the Cubs spring training sweepstakes is who has a better plan to capture the ancillary dollars – the pre and post game dollars, the evening dollars, and the away/off day dollars. And to the extent Wrigleyville (West or South) can be turned into a year-round destination, so much the better.

If they do build that "Wrigleyville West"...

… it would be easy enough to go there after the game, wherever it is.

It's more than just the 2 months

The Naples area has 150,000 residents. Mesa alone has 450,000 with over 4 million in the metro area. There is a much bigger pool of shoppers to tap into the 10 months spring training is not in season.

Great interview Al.

Obviously this is a business deal, but it is still nice to hear of the great support that the Cubs have in Mesa. My hope is that they stay and continue a great tradition.

I agree with the comments above that it would be nice to hear the Naples side of this. Interesting that the Naples effort doesn’t seem to have a political figure head spearheading the effort.

Way to go, Al.

You’ve scooped the Chicago press. You’d think the newspapers would have gotten on this story by now.

Great post, Al

I have a feeling that the Cubs owners deep down want to stay in Mesa but are doing their due diligence to ensure that the best deal is in fact the Mesa deal. If the Naples deal comes out as the financial better option and they stay here, I wonder if there will be any negativity brought by the decision not to move to FL.

Also, do you have a contact link to Cubs ownership? I do want to send a message supporting the Mesa folks and have my voice heard (or read, as the case may be lol).

Good work, as always, I look forward to reading the Naples response!

Cubs email addresses...

… generally take the form:

firstinitiallastname (at) cubs (dot) com

Just sayin’.

More Information at

Facebook / Keep the Cubs . Appears to be sponsored by Mesa officals .

One other comment on this

I also think that families that have both Cubs AND W Sux fans that plan a vacation to the Cactus League really enjoy the fact that they can follow both teams here. If the Cubs move to FL, then I think both teams attendance will suffer slightly.

My 2 pennies’ worth…

Agree

My nephew’s wife is a Sox fan and her parents live in Mesa. It’s really nice for them when they visit her parents to be able to see both teams.

As a former Florida resident....

I remember every March I would regret the fact that the Cubs did not train in Florida. I used to go to Braves ST games in Orlando, Astros games in Kissimmee, Mets in Port St. Lucie, Dodgers in Vero Beach, and even saw the Red Sox a time or two. If I ever live the “snowbird” lifestyle, I’m sure I will winter in Florida because I love the beach. So from a selfish standpoint, the Cubs training in Florida would not be a bad thing. However, when I look at it logically as a Cubs fan, as for what’s best for the TEAM, there is no doubt that they Cubs should stay in Arizona for all the reasons mentioned above. Logistically, moving to Florida simply does not make sense. If the Cubs move to Florida, I think there are other, personal factors at play with the Ricketts. Like Rachel Phelps from “Major League”: …“and for me, a mansion in Boca Raton, plus free membership in the Palm Beach Polo & Country Club.”

florida

because guess where i live???

There is 0% chance the Cubs leave Arizona

What is lost on Al Yellon is that this whol thing is a negotiating ploy to extract the best possible deal out of Mesa or the Indian tribe group in the Phoenix suburbs.

Florida? Will never ever happen.

This time, I hope you are 100% correct.
A broken clock is correct twice a day.

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