This flew under our radar, probably because we're obviously not in the habit of discussing pro basketball here, but a couple of weeks ago the NBA opened a line of credit totalling $200 million for teams to tap if they felt it necessary. The LA Times article says "12 teams that have expressed interest in the funds". But the very same day that article appeared, this Phoenix Business Journal article said:
The Phoenix Suns are one of 15 teams tapping into the NBA’s credit line, majority owner Robert Sarver confirmed Friday morning.
The Suns will use that credit line, which is secured through national television rights to games, and drop an existing line through a local bank. The team has used both lines of credit for the past five years.
There's at least one ominous sign in that quote -- that's half of the NBA teams that are in enough trouble to tap into a national line of credit (as opposed to a local line that they've used in the past). While the national TV rights deal runs for seven more years -- presumably, the economy will improve enough by then -- does this mean that MLB is next?
Some recent articles seem to give the indication that although a brave face is being put on by major league teams, there is crisis looming just under the surface. In last Friday's Wall Street Journal, there are details about the troubles the Mets and Yankees (as well as the Dallas Cowboys) are running into trying to sell the high-priced amenities in their new parks:
Public backlash forced New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg's office in January to give up, in exchange for cash, luxury suites the city had secured at the new Yankees and Mets stadiums. Bank of America recently ended negotiations with the Yankees over what would reportedly have been a $20-million-a-year sponsorship deal. Bank of America spokesman Joe Goode said the decision to walk away from the negotiations was due in part to the economic environment and "the mood of the country."
The financial sector, one of the hardest-hit by the economic troubles so far, provided quite a bit of the individuals and businesses who were expected to pony up the huge sums that the Yankees, for one, were asking for seats (some of the best seats at the new Yankee Stadium cost $2500. Yes, that's per game):
But the affordable seats are fewer and farther away. Mets tickets will start at $11, but there are 15,000 fewer seats in the new park than at Shea. The Cowboys will have seats that go for as little as $59 a game, but they're much farther from the action than in the old Texas Stadium. Mr. Jones notes the game can still be seen clearly on the video board. Even with slower-than-expected sales, the teams aren't lowering published ticket prices.
Jay Jaffe and a group of friends shared Yankees tickets for 11 years, but they won't be making the move to the new stadium. The 20-game packages of $25-a-game grandstand seats they hoped to get were sold out. Instead, the Yankees suggested $85 seats deep in right field.
"Literally, my words were, 'Are you f- kidding me?'" Mr. Jaffe recalls.
Sports executives acknowledge the current environment has disrupted their marketing plans. "If the economy were certain, these would've sold out in about six seconds," Mr. Trost said recently as he showed off the $500-and-up Legends Club.
"The problem is, people don't want to be seen in a space like this."
I suspect the New York teams will survive this; the only other teams that appear, at this point, to be recession-proof are the Cubs (who have already sold 2.7 million tickets at higher prices than last year), the Red Sox, both LA teams (the Angels, perhaps more than the Dodgers, especially after that ill-advised deal given to Manny Ramirez -- what happens if he sulks or gets hurt and the Dodgers collapse and their fans stop coming?) and maybe the Phillies, coming off their World Series win. Look, for example, at the Mets' ticket pricing scheme -- can you even decipher that? Including their two preseason exhibitions against the Red Sox, there are 168 different pricing levels. Insanity. Not that any of us really feels sorry for the Mets or Yankees.
And it's not the small-market teams that are going to hurt the worst; teams like the Padres and Pirates have shed payroll (or are trying to, *cough Jake Peavy cough*) enough so that they can probably make it through.
It's what we might call, in an analogy to college sports, the "mid-majors" -- markets that are larger TV markets, but don't have large, dedicated fanbases -- that may be in the most trouble. This includes teams like the Braves, Astros, Tigers (who raised ticket prices after having a terrible season in 2008 and being in a very depressed market -- idiocy, in my view), and others. Will MLB be forced to ask for a similar line of credit soon? And, given that MLB's TV contracts don't last as long as the NBA's (they expire in 2013), would they be able to secure as much money?
I don't profess to be an expert in these matters, but I did want to put this out here for discussion (which, I would ask, will please keep away from politics). There are good summaries of many of these issues at Field of Schemes, a site dedicated to reviewing various sports stadium... well, schemes. Among them is the idea, with the A's proposed stadium deal in suburban Fremont now dead, that the Oakland Mausoleum could be refitted for baseball exclusively (as the Angels' park in Anaheim was), if only the Raiders and 49ers would agree to share a "regional" football stadium.
Yeah, right. And just who is going to pay for such an edifice in today's economic conditions? I think it's time that both the owners and players who are the leaders and performers in all professional sports, not just baseball, wake up and realize that their financial model of the last 20 or so years just won't work any more, given the changes in the economy. They either have to make adjustments, or risk losing everything.
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Very, Very interesting stuff.
I noticed that in your list of teams that are “recession proof” you didn’t include the team on the other side of town. They’re obviously not in the same class financially as the other teams you mentioned, but I wonder what their situation will be like this year. If that team gets off to a slow start they could be one of those teams in trouble and be looking to give away players at the deadline.
Juiceboxjerry - March 10, 2009
This is going to be a great year to be financial stable...
…and in the playoff hunt come trade deadline.
cubswynn - March 10, 2009
The Sox seem to have been pretty proactive.
They were able to dump salary during the offseason by trading Vasquez for some young (and cheap) talent.
I agree that if their season goes South (pardon the pun), they would jump at trading Dye and Thome (contracts expire at the end of the year) and Konerko (contract expires after the 2010 season.
cowsarecool220 - March 10, 2009
That's true, I forgot they dumped a few sizeable contracts already
They probably will have trouble selling tickets this year though…
Juiceboxjerry - March 10, 2009
Thanks for the article
Al – very interesting for a couple of reasons. I, too am no authority on the issue, but looking at this from a broad perspective, I think the NBA may be in BIG trouble. I am not a fan of the NBA and don’t watch any games, including the playoffs – but from what I know about the NBA, it seems that they have been losing fans over the last 6-7 years. I think baseball is in a better position, due to its popularity, to make it thru this recession (but as you state, this may only be true for clubs with a dedicated fanbase).
On another note. A vice president of my organization gave a somewhat ominous outlook on the economy at a recent conference. He stated that the recession in the early 00s was shaped like a V. It went down quickly and recovered quickly. The recession of the early 90s was like a U. When it went down it stayed down for a longer period before recovering. He then stated that this recession is like and L. There is no end in sight and he stated it may be 3-4 years before we start to recover.
DMCub - March 10, 2009
I also suspect that MLB overall
is in better financial shape then the NBA going into the recession.
cowsarecool220 - March 10, 2009
These statements are probably true.
I myself don’t follow the NBA the way I did in the Jordan years. I suspect that may be true for quite a number of people.
Al Yellon - March 10, 2009
I did follow the NBA
as a kid growing up. I am 28 so that puts my childhood in the prime of MJ, Magic, Isaiah. I can honestly say I haven’t watched and entire NBA game since Jordan was playing.
DMCub - March 10, 2009
Ditto. And I use to watch every single Bulls game growing up.
cubswynn - March 10, 2009
I watch a lot of NBA, Bulls particularly
Although I don’t really pay close attention to the bottom line of the league, I think the basic sentiment right now is that there is gonna be some major battles between the owners and the players in the coming years. And most owners will be more than happy to shut things down (lockout) if they don’t get their way seeing as they’re mostly losing money anyway. Meaning shorter contracts, less value, higher age requirements to get in the league and so on. Much like in MLB, it’s the smaller market teams that are really sweating it out.. and since we’re on the topic: FIRE VINNY DEL NEGRO (sorry, I had to)
Juiceboxjerry - March 10, 2009
I think the NBA is in serious need of overhaul.
The quality of play seems to have gone down the drain when teams started drafted so many players out of high school.
I think the NBA needs a rule like the NFL and MLB have, that players need to attend 3 years of college before playing professionally. (MLB drafts high school players but seasons them in the minor leages. If they go to college, they aren’t eligible for the draft until after their Junior year.)
cowsarecool220 - March 10, 2009
I'd vote for that.
Al Yellon - March 10, 2009
That is gonna be one of the major points of the new collective bargaining agreement
Stern wants the age minimum to go up. It’s already at one year, I doubt he could get it to three years, but two seems like a real possibility
Juiceboxjerry - March 10, 2009
The referee gambling scandal also hurt.
There is no other team sport where officiating can have more of an effect, without a lot of attention being called to “borderline” calls. And even if they say it’s only the one guy, how willing are people going to be to believe?
MN exile - March 10, 2009
Good point.
cowsarecool220 - March 10, 2009
Case in point...
last nights Bulls-Heat game where Dwayne Wade, who already has an untouchable reputation from his Dallas finals performance, went 50 minutes on the court without committing a single foul. The officiating in last night’s game was so blatantly bad even my wife could see it.
CubFan81 - March 10, 2009
Other than KC: Relocation Not An Option
How many cities are willing to build NBA ready arenas right now with the economy the way it is? How many teams can afford to buy out existing leases? The Grizzlies still have another 12 seasons to go on its lease at FedEx Forum.
There is the Sprint Center in Kansas City that could have an NBA team. Kansas City seems like a small market for what would be 3 major pro sports teams. (Royals, Chiefs, relocated NBA team) Does the NBA want to go back to Kansas City?
memphiscub - March 10, 2009
Pretty small market.
But then, they abandoned Seattle for Oklahoma City (I still don’t get that one).
There are several baseball cities that either used to or never had NBA teams that don’t now: St. Louis, Cincinnati, and Pittsburgh.
St. Louis could probably support a NBA team. Not so sure about Cincinnati or Pittsburgh.
Al Yellon - March 10, 2009
Oklahoma City
That city supported the Hornets well during their temporary stay there. Oklahoma City was one of the largest markets in the country without a major pro sports team before the Sonics moved there.
The NBA provides the only major pro sports in many cities (Portland, Salt Lake City, Memphis, San Antonio, Orlando). Really, the major basketball team in Memphis is the U of M Tigers. Oklahoma City is a much smaller market than Seattle, but there is not as much competition for the sports dollar in OKC.
memphiscub - March 10, 2009
St. louis has an arena ready
But I don’t know if they would support an NBA team. They hardly pay attention to the Rams right now, and the Blues are most peoples in-between baseball seasons team.
KC will get a team soon I think. They don’t have a winter sport there and the Sprint Center is awesome. People will fill that place up if a decent team is put on the court.
nji232 - March 10, 2009
I think Anaheim and San Jose have NBA ready arenas as well
nd I guess they’ve been lobbying pretty hard to get a franchise. Yea, like you said though the Grizzlies are locked in for a while. I think Sacramento is the team that should be on the move in the next year or so if a few things don’t go their way…
Juiceboxjerry - March 10, 2009
Anaheim?
You’d put a third team in the LA market? Could it support that? I doubt it.
Al Yellon - March 10, 2009
The people that want it seem to think so
It’s a good question though, I have no clue. I think that it would be more of a last resort type of thing. There are definitely cities that are more deserving and better fits, but none of them could get the financing to build a new arena. Which is an absolute must if you want an NBA team. So I think if all other options are exhausted you could do a lot worse than Anaheim
Juiceboxjerry - March 10, 2009
The problem may be...
… that there aren’t enough large businesses and media outlets in the LA market to support three teams.
Al Yellon - March 10, 2009
Oh yea, I forgot the Clippers were an actual NBA franchise;)
But yea, it’s a good point. I keep hearing those places brought up though so there has to be something to it.
Juiceboxjerry - March 10, 2009
The Clippers made money for many years.
Being a (comparatively) low-payroll team, it didn’t even matter if they were mediocre. People who couldn’t pay Laker prices had somewhere to go. A third team might be pushing it.
MN exile - March 10, 2009
MLB
is in better shape I would assume, based on the fact that the team salary is not that much higher on average than NBA or NFL, with many more games played to gains the revenues needed to operate.
Example (salary are 2008 figures per USA Today, link at the bottom)
Cubs team salary $ 118,345,833
average revenue needed per home game to make payroll 118,345,833 / 81 = $1,461,059.67
Sox team salary $ 121,189,332
average revenue needed per home game to make payroll 121,189,332 / 81 = $1,496,164.59
Bears team salary $ 120,065,819
average revenue needed per home game to make payroll 120,065,819 / 8 = $15,008,227.38
Bulls team salary $ 71,487,984
average revenue needed per home game to make payroll 71,487,984 / 41 = $1,743,609.37
Hawks team salary $ 34,800,540
average revenue needed per home game to make payroll 34,800,540 / 41 = $848,793.66
These figures do not take into consideration revenue sharing, et al. They also are for the player payroll only, does not include coaching staff, field crew, beer man, et al who also need tobe paid. m This is just a basic breakdown to show the difference. Average revenue needed per home game to cover the salary alone is in bold.
http://content.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/salaries/teamresults.aspx?team=4
Cubbie-Tim - March 10, 2009
Where did you get the 'Hawks player payroll?
It’s way off. They’re only a couple hundred grand under the $56.7M cap for 2008-2009.
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=CHI
blackhawk24 - March 11, 2009
Memphis Grizzlies
There’s a team that will take a piece of that line of credit. Memphis is 27th in winning percentage, 29th in attendance, 28th in market size among NBA cities, and 30th in payroll. The Grizzlies consistently get outdrawn heavily by the University of Memphis basketball team. The NBA has more truly lousy teams than MLB that absolutely have no shot at even making the playoffs. The lower rung teams are in real trouble.
memphiscub - March 10, 2009
Even with a salary cap, there's no competive balance in the NBA
and that is one of their biggest problems. They have way to many teams that are irelevant, year in and year out.
They also have teams in 2 of the largest markets in the country that have not contended for a championship in a long time (New York and Chicago).
cowsarecool220 - March 10, 2009
The Irrelevant Clippers
That’s the other NBA team in the second largest market that has never gotten beyond the second round of the playoffs. I think you can put the “irrelevant” label on the Clippers.
memphiscub - March 10, 2009
Wouldn't the Clippers do better if they moved back to San Diego?
That’s another pretty large market with no NBA team.
Al Yellon - March 10, 2009
why not also consider St Louis, Kansas City
or one of the other cities without one.
Cubbie-Tim - March 10, 2009
The WNBA is also in big trouble.
As a marketing thing, it hasn’t worked quite as well as the NBA powers hoped.
And they made a fundamental mistake: Unlike the early days of the NBA, they did not draft regionally, where college players known in their area would be playing for their nearby team, thus building at least a partial fan base through familiar faces.
There is serious doubt the WNBA will survive. Will anyone notice?
MN exile - March 10, 2009
The what?
Al Yellon - March 10, 2009
A few things
First off, it was my impression that the Dodgers, at least, were having some issues financially. Along with that, I believe the Mets ownership lost quite a bit of money via Bernie Madoff.
I do really wonder if this entire financial crisis will lead to different overall behaviors and I wonder if, on the other end of this all, we’re likely to see reduced corporate spending. Are corporations going to be less willing to pay for the high end advertising that we’ve now seen them try to back out of (i.e. sponsorships, naming rights…).
I think that teams need to realize that their revenue streams are likely going to be altered even beyond this economic mess. Its possible that the networks are going to lower what they are willing and able to pay for tv rights. Perhaps what this sport needs is some sort of deflationary cycle and perhaps it would behoove the unions to realize that salaries need to come down some. If that doesn’t happen teams may be forced to raise ticket prices further or cut costs by reducing their front office staff (which some already have done).
dmlichte - March 10, 2009
Rec'd
Well said.
Al Yellon - March 10, 2009
The thing about the TV rights is
they’re huge contracts that are locked in for several years. For example, the NBA just agreed to a new contract with ABC in the past year or so (better financial times) for really big money. So by the time they’re ready to negotiate a new contract the economy will most likely have improved, so you can’t really predict what will happen in that regard. The advertising is a whole different animal and it will be interesting to see how it all shakes out
Juiceboxjerry - March 10, 2009
In the past, the networks have used
sporting events as a promotional vehicle. The value of these events to the networks is not just the advertising their generate for that event. They are able to promote their own product to the viewers.
For example, the World Series is used by Fox to promote their fall schedule and NBC uses the summer Olympics to promote their Fall schedule.
cowsarecool220 - March 10, 2009
yes...
… but when the economy improves, its still a question as to whether or not the companies will come back en mass, or will they realize that part of their poor decisions included these huge ad budgets, especially big ticket ones.
dmlichte - March 10, 2009
Let's not forget...
They actually created this mess we’re in. Don’t ask for any sympathy for them here.
MN exile - March 10, 2009
No sympathy asked for...
… simply pointing out that the losses in the financial sector removed one of the largest customers for tickets/suites/sponsorships for NYC teams.
Al Yellon - March 10, 2009
Fair enough
Just pointing out the truly obvious.
MN exile - March 10, 2009
Al, also in Chicago the financial sector is/was a big consumer of sports
So was the real estate industry and the banking industry. Ask any big restaurant how business is going with their former top customers.cubswin - March 10, 2009
We'll see how that affects some of the high end tickets that are going on sale Friday.
Al Yellon - March 10, 2009
Concessions
I can see concessions being hit.
For example someone who normally gets a hot dog or two and a pepsi and has that as their lunch or dinner at Wrigley may eat at home instead before or after the game.
puckishcubsfan - March 10, 2009
That's a very likely effect.
Or, bring their own food, which is allowed.
Al Yellon - March 10, 2009
What would be the chance that if people start doing that more
They make the decision to start banning outside food?
nji232 - March 10, 2009
If they start doing that (banning food)...
then they are a bunch of greedy jerks!
“Some” people can drop a $150 at a ballgame and not think anything of it. Most of the rest of us have to scrimp and save to just buy the tickets and we help do that by bringing our own food into the ballpark to cover the costs of the tickets.
Hopefully Pro Sports (in general) will face economic reality and come back down to earth on their prices for both tickets and concessions where the average Joe actually lives.
CubFanSince1970 - March 10, 2009
I agree completely
It just seems like if a team was faced with the loss of concession revenue because they were allowing people to bring outside food in, that they would think about banning the outside food.
Its not fair and it certainly isn’t right, but I would have to thin that loss of that significant revenue would cause them to rethink that policy.
nji232 - March 10, 2009
They tried to do this at Texas Rangers games a few years ago.
When some reporters discovered the employee eating the food that fans had brought, the policy was rescinded.
I doubt you’ll ever see teams prohibiting outside food. They’d have a ton of pissed-off fans.
Al Yellon - March 10, 2009
My family
We’ve already been doing this sometimes we’ll probably be doing it almost every time now either eating at home before or after or bringing our own food.
We get our tickets from my Dad so that’s not an expense but everyone can lose a job tomorrow and while our jobs are safe pretty much because of what we do, my husband and I are spending like we could lose our jobs tomorrow.
puckishcubsfan - March 10, 2009
One other thing to note...
is the effect this has had on some FA decisions. Some teams already take calculated measures for maximizing their spending but the value of young, cheap, and controlled players may skyrocket the next couple years. Guys like Juan Cruz, the two Orlandos (Cabrera & Hudson) struggle to find the deals they would have if they were FA just two years ago because nobody wants to give up draft picks.
It will be interesting to see how the players union deals with frustrated members when it comes time to renegotiate the agreement in a few years.
Many people have speculated that the NBA is headed for a lockout in 2 years because the contracts have gotten out of control. The biggest name at the trade deadline wasn’t Amare Stoudamire who’s in his prime and virtually guaranteed to average 25-9, but Raef LaFrentz who hasn’t played in years but who’s contract expires and is covered by insurance. People aren’t dealing with talent as much as they are dealing with numbers on a balance sheet and that kind of thinking can show in the standings.
CubFan81 - March 10, 2009
a few nba trades looked awfully funny recently
stuff like….
mediocre player and a first round pick for a second round pick.
there will be some mlb ‘mid-majors’ dumping contract bigtime in june and july.
some teams might even be pushed into fielding 90 + loss squads for a few years jist to survive.
no sources, just conjecture.
tim815 - March 10, 2009
South Bend
would be a great place for an NBA or NHL team to re-locate too. a brand new arena is being built
brian custer - March 10, 2009
Great!
especially in an area where the unemployment is the highest in the state right now and the main industry (RV manufacturing) is looking pretty bleak for the future.
Hopefully, enough people will still have jobs in the area to pay for the new stadium.
CubFanSince1970 - March 10, 2009
Sign of the times
I am in the ticket biz…… it not only is the current economic conditions …… BUT
Stub Hub and people like them selling tickets for BIG Bucks has made the owners
very greedy. And People like Ticket Master charging Big Processing Fees
makes them drool …………………..
nimblenikelfoos - March 10, 2009
St Louis and the NBA
St Louis doesn’t have an NBA team because Chicago would want one too!
Heck things can change in sports quickly. Just 2 years ago the joke was made about Milwaukee and an NHL team.
puckishcubsfan - March 10, 2009
lol
Heh… if you say so…
Lets see… pay a lot of money to Manny? Or play Juan Pierre? Pretty sure that is a really easy decision.
big_lowitzki - March 10, 2009
Maybe, but...
… no one else was bidding for Manny. It was pretty clear that he was playing for the Dodgers or no one.
Thus, they could have waited him out and probably gotten him for a lot less. I’m not saying they shouldn’t have signed him. I’m saying they could have paid him less.
Al Yellon - March 10, 2009
you don't ...
… know that. At all.
And if the price tag went down at all, I would have been shocked if others didn’t jump in, especially the Giants.
big_lowitzki - March 10, 2009
Maybe so, but...
… you’ve just proven my point, which is that the Dodgers paid more than they had to.
Al Yellon - March 10, 2009
huh?
They paid what they had to to get one of the top 5 hitters in baseball to play for them.
Do you also think that the Cubs overpaid for Dempster?
The Dodgers badly, badly, badly needed Manny Ramirez. And they paid what they had to get him.
And by the way… you don’t know that he didn’t have other offers either.
big_lowitzki - March 10, 2009
Neither do you know that he did.
We sure didn’t hear about any bids, and Boras has a history of getting teams to bid against themselves. The Dodgers were starting to resist this, and I think they should have stayed the course.
You think they paid what they had to. I disagree. They could have waited and I think the price would have come down.
Al Yellon - March 11, 2009
I don't know about baseball teams, but the Indiana Pacers are apparently in trouble
The team is trying to renegotiate its lease with the city right now; they’re claiming they’ve lost $200 million in 25 years. (story)
However, after the sweetheart deal the city and state gave the Colts, I really can’t begrudge the Pacers’ owners for trying to get a better deal.
As for baseball, I know that as the economy declined last summer while gas prices increased, the Indianapolis Indians posted their best attendance in nearly 6 years as a results of people staying home and not going to as many Reds, Cubs, Cardinals and White Sox games.
Bill Potter - March 11, 2009
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