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Overflow Thread 3: Cubs vs. Pirates, Monday 5/25, 7:05 CT

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i almost want the inning to end

so that Mr. T’s cackle will get out of my brain.

Miles just needs to get on base somehow

for Dome

Ok Allie

+1 for you. Big Z is pinch hitting 2 innings later. :)

I wish the outcome had been better
Z

getting a standing ovation

what I wouldnt........

do for Z to hit a bomg out to Ballhawk

bomb that is
Toss him a bong too.
here we goooooooo

ball 1

healthy cut

strike 2

dang it

inning over

omg Patton is pitching
Swung at a bad pitch too
I know Z is a good hitter.....

but for a pitcher, not overall…..how could Lou not bring in Kosuke or even Fontenot there, especially after Pitt committed to the righty.

yeah, completely agree
I am wondering the same thing
exactly, and i even thought he was just using z

as a decoy

Could not agree more

a poorly constructed roster does should not detract from the fact that Lou uses it poorly.

Pitt has a plethora of lefties in their pen

The lefty thing makes no difference. After Z was announced, and the Pirates brought in a Righty, they are forced by rule to use him against at least 1 hitter. So if you bring in Kosuke or Fontenot, they face that righty.

Lou likes playing hunches only slightly less than Match Game
This will be the first question asked to Lou tonight, I'm sure of it.
and his answer will be "what can I do?"

then he’ll hold his hands out wide, and ask it again. I don’t think he’s got the fire to do this thing anymore. He seems content to use the bad things that have happened to this team as a cure-all excuse.

The David Patton Experiment Continues...
finally

was wondering if lou forgot he had him.

if he’s going to be here, you can’t hide him.

Let's go Patton!!
Did anyone else get locked up

on that last thread? I guess there were one or two posts in there

can the pirates go 1-2-3 for once?
Nope

blooper to CF to lead off

17 hits for the Bucs.
As one who has attacked Lou for overusing Marmol

WTF not use him now.

he's in new york

having a baby

Not to quibble

But there is a technical error in that statement.

haha I didn't say he was spitting the baby out

but he is in fact having a baby. :)

Wow that's impressive

Sorry been out of the loop.

I couldn't help but wonder...

Why New York, though. Does he live in NY now? Has his wife always lived there? He lived in my building last year…

you think he's lying about why he's in New York?

why would you spend any time “wondering”

Don't blame you for unplugging

its been a damned ugly week.

He's in NY

wife having baby.

OK

Now that makes sense…..Tonight is not much better…

why the hell would u have a pitcher on your staff if you're going to use him every other month.
Just walked in and checked bcb

and holy SCHNIKES! 17 hits allowed??

Yes, it's bad

Our bats finally improve, and our pitching is terrible.

Welcome to baseball

and Cubdom in particular.

My grandfather would probably say

Something like “C’est la vie.”

Mine would tell me to

go get him another coffee if I was going to complain.

I miss him.

I was under the impression that we'd been having fairly decent pitching performances

And the reason for our slide was 5 runs scored in 6 games.

That was my feeling too.
It was

But you finally get one phase back and the other goes to shit.

…and there are frost warnings tonight

Yep, it's supposed to be in the 30s here tonight.
I'm in Hanover, NH
Dartmouth?
Yes

Faculty

Ah nice

My cousin went there

low 50s here

for the overnight.

Burlington, Vermont, here

Pretty much the same as you, possibly a little warmer due to the effect from Lake Champlain.

Time to salute WGN4ever for his user pic
tip o' the cap to you too buddy
Sweet Jesus. Thank you for that 250 x 250 pixeled image.
Awwww

Look at the cute lil baby with a rally cap

Little Cubs Field in Humboldt Park?

Anyone want to start a pool on how long before they find a body on that field?

Not funny.
Not joking

Would you walk around Humboldt Park alone?

I have. I would. There are good people in that neighborhood.

What about you?

Grew up at Lemoyne and Homan

And the good people may out number the bad, but the bad carry heat and don’t care.

thats an everywhere problem

not just a humboldt park thing.

Maybe

But I promise they fish more bodies out of the Humboldt lagoon than Gompers.

agreed.

i used to live out there and never had any problems. theres a lot of long-time families there who look out for one another. i had more trouble living in lincoln park….

:D Strike 3
Wow... this kid's got an Uncle Charlie!
It's a strike

1 out of every 5 times used. :-(

at least the ump i being more generous with that corner now
great...

way to stay consistent

yeah no kidding
Cant let this run score here

Two is doable. Three would be tough.

I miss last year (minus the post season sweep)
Sanchez on deck

dear gawd don’t walk this guy

Let's walk the bases full so Sanchez can get his first out!
C'mon General

now would be a good time to get out of it.

Funny you mention that AMC was playing the movie Patton today
cmon patton

get him…earn that spot

Hmm.

Is that an approved nickname?

oops.

that was meant for the “general reference above”

P.S.

I’m drunk

hehe gee I wonder why?
I APPROVE OF THIS
yeah

thats the nick we were using when he was actually pitching.

World War II would have been a sad time if somebody with david patton's ability were leading our troops
Detroit

Has an Admiral. We have a General.

He just fell like he got shot.
that wouldn't hurt so badly

if you’d pull your leggins down, juan pierre wannabe

Good night all

going to watch the end of this from bed…. Cubs win 12-11 is my prediction

Hope you're right.
SURE HOPE YOU ARE

Correct only time will tell…..

THE DAVID PATTON EXPERIMENT CONTINUES...

…TO BE DETERMINED.

did he + or - his trade value?

He can’t be traded

Actually (small sample size) I like his stuff and I liked the fact that he throws strikes.
he's no worse than Cotts

that’s for sure

I like him better than Cotts
Now thats a ringing endorsment!
haha... faint praise

indeed

I agree.

It makes for a nice change of pace with Cotts and others in the bullpen

he's struggled with that

8 walks in 13 IP, I think.

9 walks in 12.1 IP

That’s throwing strikes compared to the rest of our bullpen, it isn’t throwing strikes compared with other Major League Pitchers

i wish we'd make deal w/ COL to keep him

and then use his roster spot for someone Lou is actually going to use.

LOL!

PATTON RETREATS?

out of it!

woohoo!

Bottom of the eighth.

LET’S GET SOME RUNS!

Back to back to back jacks oughtta cheer us up....
So close xO
That's enough of Freddy Sanchez.
sheesh no kidding
Now we can't get any breaks
So when does this slump end? I am stunned at how bad it is getting....

Sanchez makes an amazing catch……things are getting to the point of bizzare…….

Here we go again
cripes, take a few pitches guys
wow another quick inning. not surprised
Who pitches?
NO BREAKS AT ALL.....

Ends on Tuesday night…Or so I wish,,,,

8 Runs!
thats like.. 9 games woth of runs isn't ?
couldnt leave without giving you props on that comment, haha!
its either laugh or cry

at this point.

i choose laugh. :-P

humor

is the only thing keeping me sane…

unfortunately
hope its over by tuesday night

isn’t tomorrow a day game!

nope 7:05 again
damn

wishful thinking.

i hate tuesday night games.

sorry :-(

Wed. is a day game

well thats nice

at least i’ll be spared feeling obligated to watch Tue night. maybe that’ll get ’em off the schnied.

that would be nice
it has to end sooner or later
Correction

Great things are gonna happen in the 9th inning tonight!

that inning provided a chance

1-2-3 without putting up much of a fight. This is getting tough to swallow

too easy, but...

TWSS

what a typical cubs inning.

6 pitches. Of couse, theriot is one of the outs.

6-6

unbelievable. Is he available??

we dont' need another 2B

unless we unload the 8 we already have.

aren't they pitching him inside?
Maybe we should sign Freddy Sanchez
they just can't be retired in order tonight
Theriot is not the problem

But he also is not the soluion. WE need Soriano, Bradley, Lee and Soto to all do far better than they have been. We also need to really revaluate this bullpen and the middle infield.

Lee has been

doing better.

I just hope he feels better!

Flu sucks.

Sounds like he

had it pretty bad too. I hope he feels better soon too.

+25

lee is NOT this teams problem

Not the only one but certainly

.248 and 5 homeruns along with some nagging injuries is not good enough. Not even close.

Lee's OPS in May

is over 1.000

he’s the hottest bat we’ve got right now.. maybe that’s sad, but it’s true

Too bad...

we need him over the whole season. A .270 BA, 18 HR, and 75 RBI is unacceptable for a Cubs 1B. Especially at $14 mil/year

He sure as hell ain't part...

of the solution

He is until

his contract runs out.

Sadly...

that only makes him a bigger part of the problem…

He not been a problem

the last month. Maybe you haven’t been watching?

having to keep him doesn't make him a solution
But he will

start at 1st base until he’s gone like it or not.

yeah, that's def. a good sign
True

But he still needs to do better. Each of them could increse their average by about .50 points, excepting maybe Soriano, who is struggling.

I'm not worried about Lee.
Because he is doing well enough for you

or because there are 20 other more pressing problems. Im in the latter camp. He needs to do better but he is not the most pressing problem.

see above

Lee’s OPS in May is over 1.000

I'd take .800 for the rest of the year
He's had a good month.

If he continues with that I have no problem. There are other problems that need to be addressed more than Derrek.

Come on! D:
this may sound dumb

but i dont really care if the cubs trade everybody this year. If they can’t play competitively, then get rid of all the terrible contracts. I’m saying all of this would apply if the cubs continue to play poorly.

we're 4 games out

with a 119 to play.

thats pretty competitive.

Besides, they couldn't do it anyway

huge, long term contracts…most of them with no trade clauses…thank you Jim Hendry

Really hope Wilken's farm starts producing soon

Then we won’t need so many NTCs.

if they continue to play this way tell me what the results are going to be
its gonna be ugly

but if people start to perform to their career averages, they won’t continue to play this way.

Tonight I think I officially lost the ability to cheer or RAGE at the Cubs and now feel like laughing at them....

this is eerie comedic and sad…..so why not just revel in the badness…..feels so like 2006…….

once healthy, this team is gonna be fine

just have to break this streak and run off a few wins…let’s put positivity out there, people…

Problem with that is, they could be 15 games out by the time they're healthy
I DON'T KNOW TO NOT CARE.....

Yes it’s like 2005 all over again…..You wonder where they found some of these guys…

It's like 2005, 1985, 1994, 1999, 2002...

sort of goes with the territory when you’re a Cubs fan

OK everybody, time for bed

as I watch the rest of the game. G’nite all

Night!

we’re dropping like flies here!

My question is....

What is the worst part of this team?

bullpen, hands down
weird
I know, +1 I guess? heh
Bullpen

hands down. It keeps me up at night.

the unfinished ownership situation
That truly is the one thing...

that could make this a lost season.

guy's

gotta point.

that is frustrating

and seems to keep getting further from being finalized.

Our defense continues to worry me

Esp in the middle IF.

Bullpen is as bad as I remember

No lead is safe with this bunch

Agreed

but everyone already said bullpen. :-)

Lou.

He needs to go. And the starting pitching is WAYYY Overrated!

Great BP session by Cubs' pitchers tonight

making an incredibly average Pirates lineup look like Murderers Row.

Patton..

with 2 scoreless innings now.

I’d definitely rather see him coming out of the pen ahead of Cotts!

At least we scored some runs.....and Ascaino and Patton did okay in their turns....

and there is no way we can go two weeks without a win so you know it is coming….sometime….

Will this be 7 or 8 straight? I can't even remember at this point.
it would be eight, but i could easily see it going to twelve or even fifteen (if we don't come back tonight, of course).
I could see it going to 120
In fact

based on all the available evidence, I don’t see how they ever win another game ever in the history of ever.

12-15?

You’re being nice. This team will never win again.

I should have left it for you.

Again, I appreciate your comedy very, very much.

Come on just a base runner for some hope!
There's a start!
:O Not cool.
Wow

Geo killed Capps

Back of the elbow

SUNUVA

Shit! That happened to me once. I hate seeing that.
Does this guy throw anything but fastballs?
Yikes.

Glad Geo got on base… but thats not the price I wanted to pay.

let's have a bloop and a blast.
Don't kill the pitcher that'll let us back into the game!
LOL

sorry.. I probably wouldn’t laugh if I could see what happened.

Nailed him on the pitching elbow/hand

Pat not sure

looked like elbow

really scary.

It's better than the hand
marginally

still scary. that ball was smoked.

That injury reminds me...

Mark Prior sucks.

it reminds you of the time

he got hurt through a freak play like that, and as a result wasn’t able to perform to your expectations?

Yeah, it reminds me of that too.

I would almost say the arm problems likely started from the Giles collision even before the liner
we can at least agree

the two things didn’t help his career.

I'll never forgive Baker for running him back out there after that
OUCH......

Had to sting….

Looked to me like

back of the elbow while the arm was fully extended downward.

It definitely stunned him.
Jackasses I saw cheering

Need to be taken out to the mound and shot.

No nothing that harsh

just let them get hit by a pitching machine from 63 ft away at 130mph

I was hoping they were cheering about geo hitting the ball hard.

but its hard to give wrigley fans the benefit of the doubt lately on stuff like that.

Just like the morons who cheered when Oquendo got nailed last month

These are the Cubs “fans” who need to spend more time at US Cellular.

c'mon Micah

give us a hit

dammit

seems like he’s gone 0-for-alot lately…

it's because he has
Hoff ks
I'm glad he was up instead of DLee
how about you go annoy your own team's fans?
He looked bad doing it too.
Not dead yet!

I am Happey! I am Happey!

I think I'LL GO FOR A WALK
ha, and it's miles!

has dome been used?

nope, he needs to be used here
I don't even wanna see what Miles is gonna do here...
Can we all agree that we

at least have a MFin rally going in crunch time?!

miles walk off...

c’mon

let's have a walkathon.
They owe us a couple
Aaron Miles up to bat. Ha ha. Ridiculous. It's the 9th inning. Last chance....

But maybe he’ll walk or surprise us.

2 pitches and he hasn't grounded out

i’m surprised

Took 5

Grounds out to Sanchez.

Sigh.

WALK OFF WALK OFF WALK OFF
Aaron Miles is batting....
I forgot - did 'Dome appear at all tonight?
nope
Why the heck not?!?!?
Because Big Z is a better option
because Lou Pineilla is managing this club
unfortunately no
how many LOB tonite?
who cares as long as its not two more...
this is ridiculous.
Man, got excited for a sec xD
I am discouraged.
BET THERE WILL BE NO POST GAME........

Lou won’t be on the hot seat again……

WTF

Why why Miles batting there?

Instead of who?

Sweet Lou himself?

Couldn't Dome have gone in?

He hadn’t appeared in the game, as I recall.

Not with a Lefty pitching...
yeah, Fuku couldn't have done any better than Miles
that was sarcasm
Fukudome's had 5 at bats with a lefty pitching all year...

Whether he’d have a better at bat than Miles isn’t the point. The point is, Lou won’t use him against lefties.

WE CAN BUILD ON THIS!!

EIGHT RUNS IN ONE GAME!

And 10 let in!
You are very cute.
I tried to find a video of Herm Edwards screaming "WE CAN BUILD ON THIS!!"

to no avail. :-(

Was nice to see bats.

Hopefully they can get some confidence from this.

Sometime they will

get it all together. Hitting and scoring are a good start.

typical Aaron Miles
and Hendry/Lou wanted this guy because....

???

FIRE LOU PINELLA
I'd rather see Hendry go first.

Get someone that can get the right guys for Lou to work with.

LOU wanted those guys!!!
Tomorrow. Good pitching and hitting

ON THE SAME DAY.

That would be nice
THAT would be fantastic.
+100

Needed very much.

Damn, I guess we'll get 'em tomorrow :(

Gonna watch the Lakers lose now D:

embarrassing

18 hits allowed

If I were at the game

I would throw something onto the field and boo until I was removed from the park.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

No one cares
thats a grown up response
Hell that was way better than the last 6

at least it felt like we had a chance

what a jokeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Miles v. Sanchez

The difference in this game.

No, Neil Cotts was the difference in this game.
Heilman didn't help
Even though we lost, it felt good to score some runs.
yes it did
It would appear a few players are starting to wake up

Theriot did well, Soto squared the ball up a couple of times too

Bradley had a really good game

from what I saw.

forgot him

he’s looking better too. If we could get Soriano going again, that would really help right now.

That was

great to see.

and welcome to below .500
The losing will end

sometime. Until then it’s gonna hurt a lot. Not much we can do about it.

awwww..

can’t we rant and vent and turn on each other and everything to do with the Cubs?

won’t that help??

mmm, not so much :D
yeah, we finally hit the ball so that is a postive there
Someone said yesterday

they’d feel better if we were losing games 9-7 instead of 3-1.

Gotta tell ya.. it still sucks. :-(

Both are bad.

I’d like to win again.

Heading out … good night, everyone.

I think maybe

it does feel a little better.. just a little though… still sucks

I have had utmost faith that the Cubs would make the playoffs

That faith has been tested this year. Lets hope they turn it around and turn it quick. You can lose divisions in May.

Gonna need a healthy and productive starting nine in a hurry!!!
These are the times that try men's souls

… can you feel the paine??

YES,

And it hurts like hell to see this continue….

i just wish that Dempster didn't pitch the way he did. That's just terrible.
yeah

that would’ve been nice.

Two baseballs hit that popped out of players gloves and led to runs

That’s some pretty bad luck.

At least Soto had a productive game. Maybe he’s coming around

yeah..

is hard not to feel like this team is just snakebit right now..

isn’t luck supposed to even out?

as a Cubs fan

you should know the answer to that question.

well yeah

I fully expect the Cubs to enjoy 100 years of playoff success starting this season… :)

Forget 100

I’d love just one where we win 11.

Our team hasn't gotten to teh championship in 60 years
night all

gonna go drink a few beers and ponder this one…

We break the streak tomorrow!!

enjoy the beers

… but I recommend not pondering too much… :)

will do, take it easy Canberra

Can’t imagine what it’s like tonight for the players

I guess I'm out too

Hope tomorrow goes better.

'night

offense has improved over last few games…

Maybe that will encourage the rotation to go back to kicking arse the way they have been through most of the losing streak…

Dempster

is at least manning up and taking the blame. Great guy. Pity he had a night like this when we finally put up some crooked numbers…

Dempster

Are u watching him on postgame on CSN Chicago, or somewhere on the internet?

heard him

giving a brief post-game interview on WGN (as heard via MLB gameday audio)

I'm a Gatorade vending machine repair man.

Will someone from the Cubs be home tomorrow between 8 & 11am?

Well...

at least the offense woke up.

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