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Overflow Thread 3: Cubs vs. White Sox, Wednesday 6/17, 1:20 CT

From Sunday's game.

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Walk-off thread?

Please?

either way we'll be walking off
what's a walk-off ?
That thing everybody was jumping around over

On Sunday

First you find a ledge...
first

you all suck! hah

Hit F5
No need

It looks goof from where I’m at

Looks pretty goof to me too.
hi yuck

What the hell is Goofy?
jxmetal1 is.

as far as I can tell.

Hit refresh.

You just got pwned.

pwned?

Did you get lost looking for the xbox forums?

Anyways, I was trying to have a little fun cause it’s funny watching everyone try to get the first post like it’s something special.

Maybe I should’ve bolded the hah part

Chill. We're just kiddin' around.
My point

exactly.

This place has turned into more of a piss and moan circus rather than an actual game discussion.

That tends to happen when the team gets...pwned.
Head shot, at that.
and who the heck are you again?
+1

Some guy who joined three weeks ago.

I think he is a sux troll
is that a problem?

Didn’t know that makes your stuff larger.

I’ve tried joining in actual conversation rather than “DFA miles” “cut soriano” “lee sucks” “why’d we sign bradley”

wat?
Just asking

if blog member length is how one should be judged?

No, length doesn't matter.

It’s how you use it.

This is a Warcraft board. What do you want?
nice

free rec

ha ha wow mega fail
and you are a "moran" :-P
You guys take this losing shit straight to the heart.

Lighten up, it’s the internet, it’s baseball. If your cubs lose 100 games this year, you won’t die, really.

ok..jack a**..you can lighten up now
?

I’m the one enjoying myself.

As light as can be over here.

"moran" is a reference to a Cardinal fan pic floating around here

and :-P meant it was a joke

That's one of my

favorite pictures.

I understood

that part (;P). but not the moran part. never saw the picture.

really?

You will love it if someone can post it. It’s classic Cardinal fan.

hah

that’s awesome.

just makes you shake your head.

I hate the overuse of "irony", however, that picture is ironic
did you atleast see the quotes ...you "moran" :-P
yes

but that didn’t mean anything to me. I understood it probably had some reference, given the quotes. I just didn’t know what it was referencing.

The running jokes run long around here

You’ll get used to it . . . “moran”.

;-)

I've been

"moran"’d

Nope....try again tomorrow
Well...that K aside...

Bradley seems to be hitting at least.

Hawk really likes saying "ducksnort"
he seems to like saying all sorts of nonsense.
How many runs did he drive in?
RBIs...

are a reflection of your teammates ability to get on base. They have nothing to do with individual performance…

Bullseye

How many times did he bat with RISP?

Yep

More like, how many chances did he have to drive a run in.

He had a chance to drive in a run every freakin time he was up!!

It’s called a HOME RUN and it’s about time somebody on this team starting hitting some. Relying on 3 singles and a sac fly to score a run doesn’t cut. Sooner or later, somebody’s gotta swing a BIG bat.

Lilly tried the other day

Didn’t work out, tho.

A team that relies on home runs to win isn't going to win often enough.
Okay Krmmy, now you can say things don't look good!
i think if aliens landed and this thread was the first thing they looked at

they would leave immediately out of pure confusion

d00d

Welcome to the internets. Stay away from 4chan.

And 2G1C.
Don't tell them!

I want to get a reaction vid.

That may be a perfectly legitimate activity for aliens

The reaction vids would just have them going, “Ho hum – did that last Thursday.”

Nice.

“That’s what we came here for in the first place. In 71 million years you’ve finally reached our level of intelligence. Take me to your shitter.”

We must get somebody to hit with men on base!
Here's a novel idea:

HOME RUN

How do those work?
Easy!

You throw the ball to the opponent,
and he hits it over the fence behind your OF.

how about if we get somebody to hit..
at least soto can't GIDP

but you can still hit a soft chopper to third. Give it a go Soto!

jenks on the sabathia diet?
Soto hitting .219

over or under his weight?

5 innings too late Soto

that would have been a nice Sac fly when it mattered.

jenks looked sharp

he’s very underrated.

That was pathetic, later y'all.
i for one am TOTALLY SHOCKED!
that there was gambling going on....

in this establishment?

Round up the usual suspects!
0 for 7 with RISP

That says it all

tie it up

send it into extra’s. we have had the better bullpen by far…

Send in Aaron Heilman, right?
too late

but that was what i was thinking…

Bad news, buddy.

This one’s over…

That was a relaxing loss, I must say.
Any thoughts

for the money, is this one of the all time most underperforming offensive units.

Yankees would like a word
Id say that this team is comparably underperforming

to last years Yankees, and probably worse from an offensive standpoint. But last years Yankees were an absolute joke.

I guess I'd disagree

But my expectations of Miles, Fonty, Dome, Bradley, et al are just much lower than most. So I actually think we’re seeing what Hendry paid for, essentially.

+1, to a degree

but I didn’t expect to see Soriano plummet like this, and while I thought Soto repeating last year’s numbers might have been a stretch, I didn’t expect him to fall off a cliff.

A little from column A, a little from column B

Soto.

was going to have a hard time duplicating last year, espcially coming into camp overweight.

I did expect better from the two of them, though, also. It’s just that overall, I thought the offense probably WOULD struggle, mostly due to the aforementioned players and overall RISP problems thereof, and am not all that surprised.

Still….at some point you expect every offense to play over their heads for some stretch of time — so WHAT THE HELL, MAN!?!?!?!?!

Well, that sucked. Charlie?

coach

pitches

Despite all the strikeouts, Sox still saw way more pitches than the Cubs. Sox 165, Cubs 122.

This definitely isn't 2008

anymore…

Seems like every pitch the Cubs take is a damn strike!! We're f*ckin cursed!
Well...

Talk about screwing the pooch.
ROFL

that reminds me of a childhood pet cat that did that to anything that moved including a wind-up rabbit

Reminds me of my teenage years :-)
Why a duck?
Why not a chicken?
Why not a threesome?
Why a spoon, cousin?
Why spoon

a cousin??

No, he's asking his cousin.

Why a spoon, Damon?

From that Kevin Costner Robin Hood movie.

Ooohhh
Yeah.

Wasn’t sure how it’d fly and it did about as expected.

I regret nothing.

I am saddened

To go from classic Marx Brothers to Kevin Costner in 3 posts.

This, people, is how the Internet has ruined Western Civilization.

Technically

you could say I was referencing the great Alan Rickman. That makes it better, right?

Slightly

Only slightly.

Fair enough.

I’ll watch Waterworld as penance. Or today’s game.

No need for that

I’m not a sadist, after all.

Much obliged.

Wasn’t looking forward to either option.

Whoops. Marx Bros

Fail on my part

Good point. Why not a chicken?
Yeah!

I like chicken. In fact, I love chicken!

Only when it's cold out?
You get the Mel Brooks reference, right?
i wish we were doing the

day-night doubleheader thing. i’d like to get right back at them…

No, they've already scored today's run
I would not

I would actually be quite pleased if the game is played in early september, maybe we wont suck then

but we might be double digits out of first.
Either they won't suck

Or we’ll be resigned to it by then. With a NTC, probably.

Maybe Heilman could get the start.
I'd only like to see that...

To possibly see a different lineup out there, but then again, what can Lou do?

i wouldn't

rule it out. not that our starters have been any sort of a problem…

Does Stoney yell "YES" with Hawk on Sox homers?

Please say no.

No. Stoney don't play that
Lou interview on now...
I don't even have to watch

“What can I do?

“What do you want me to say?”

"Danks pitched well...

We didn’t hit…. that’s all I can say"

please give us the highlights....
"It's getting to the point...

I need to start making changes in the lineup…"

"But we'll see..."
How many times

has he said that?

More than he's said "Look..." and "Listen..." combined.
he said

“really tough decisions, getting some new people in the lineup”

because the new people are as bad as the old people

thanks Jim

IT'S GETTING TO THE POINT?!?!?!!?!?!?

It’s been at that point for about a month

Please effing fire this clown

can you please post a transcript?
This Cub offense makes my horny go away.
............

I don’t know what to say

There's pills for that. Viva ...
it's the anti-boner
Oh here we go

“Give the young man credit…” For our sucky offense?

At this rate...

we’ll be handing credit out faster than a sub-prime mortgage company in 2005

now that was a good one
Lou showing signs of getting pissed

C’mon, Lou – get there

I don't actually think him exploding would help the team...

but I would find it cathartic for me anyway…since I want to scream and tear the head off a mascot….

Yeah, I guess I'm being selfish on that

`

Count me in on that...

I’d feel a tad better in a weird way.

I'm a lot more anxious to see "fire"

than I am competence

less anxious I meant
YEY

“It’s getting to the point where I’m going to have to make some tough decisions and getting some different people in the lineup”

::looks sternly at Soriano::
Oh my God! Lou contemplating finally benching one of his .220 hitters!!!

It’s about damn time!!!!

contemplating is the key

I’d be blown away if tomorrow’s lineup is much different from today

You're right, It probably won't.
"Soriano doesn't need a day off...

“Had a day off Monday, and yesterday, he should be well rested…”

Maybe this is just the loss talking...

…but I think Soriano should be DL’d. This is ridiculous.

"He should be very well rested." - Lou when asked if Soriano should sit.
haven't they been saying he's hurt

does Lou not understand he won’t be completely healed after 24 hours?

I don't think whether Soriano is "rested" is the issue.
well yeah...it's not like he's gotten worn out from baserunning and sliding into bases and stuff.
or diving for fly balls
Right...

You tend to have to get on base for those things.

He’s way too calm

It's almost like he wants to get fired
then can we please give him what he wants?
I think it's

looked that way for weeks now.

this makes me sad
I took his demeaner to be...

a thin slice of calm above a storm of rage inside…

I think I'm more with the Dr on this one
I took it more like...

What the hell can I possibly do with these players, my best player is hurt, no money to trade, veterans aren’t hitting… I wish I was in Tampa sipping on a sangria.

again, can we make his wish come true?
And that's it from Lou...

A bunch of “what can I say” and interview over.

i get sick everytime he says that stupid phrase.
What can you say?

Say you’re the goddamn coach and fix this team.

reminds me of Dusty more every day
Dude
Dude, what?

Dusty was a master of not taking responsibility, and making bizarre on field moves. Two traits Lou has picked up fairly quickly and consistently

Yep

Blame game and stupid

Dusty traits and becoming Lou traits.

Dude

being Dusty’s catchphrase.

Honestly...

Reminds me a lot of Dusty towards the end of ’05 and ’06, just at a loss for words, tired of this, etc.

Typical

“Look, I don’t know…”

Piniella

This is only partly Piniella’s fault and much less blame should be pointed at him than every single one of the players right now. But that said, he’s paid to manage and when he pulls the “What can I do?” routine out of the hat, it’s time to tell him he’s done. Trained chimpanzees can sit there and do nothing. If he doesn’t have the sack to sit Soriano or Soto or Fontenot or Bradley or Miles down for an extended period of time, then his value as a manager is absolutely zero. There are other options…perhaps not better ones, but options nonetheless. And if guys like the aforementioned are going to continue to fail to contribute, you move on with someone else.

Just about everyone is ice cold, though.

You can’t bench the whole team.

I'd like to see some of these young bats in the lineup more

Maybe jump start the O, and then deal with the Def. deficiencies that will come

Matter of opinion

I really think there is a pile of evidence that it’s far worse than “cold”. It’s an epidemic of guys either in the middle of career lows, or their careers are now in decline. It’s really that simple. They are averaging less than 3 runs per game over the last 27 games, the first of which started their 8 game slide. That’s not cold…that’s atrocious.

So what do you do? Whatever you can which includes sitting anyone and everyone that isn’t hitting. Is that rash? Probably. But the only other options is to sit there with a hand full of fools gold that these guys are going to hit.

I’m tired of the “small sample size” argument. The sample size above shows that through 44% of the games this year, the Cubs are averaging consecutively less than 3 runs. Start by benching Soriano and Soto. Next up is Bradley and Fontenot. Lastly, find somewhere other than a baseball diamond to hide Aaron Miles.

But if you think it’s ugly now, wait until Ramirez comes back and if he doesn’t immediately hit and provide a spark, this season is going to get beyond ass-ugly.

But just about EVERYONE isn't hitting.

You have to put nine players on the field.

Obviously

I should have been clearer. Starting tomorrow, put anyone on their roster named Soriano and Fontenot on the bench and replace them with Fox and Blanco. No sure bets to improve but worth a shot.

Next, if that doesn’t work, sit down Bradley and Miles…for an extended period of time. If that doesn’t work, move on to the next hitter in the middle of a career worst year. There are plenty of them to find.

The only other option is to sit there and do what Lou’s doing….throw up his hands. To me, that’s not the way to manage.

Bradley's already missed enough time as it is.

You don’t sit him for an extended period unless he’s hurt. I do agree Soriano needs to either sit or go on the DL in favor of Fox. Fontenot can hit RHP; he should face those pitchers, not Blanco, who’s not a good hitter. The only reason Fontenot is facing LHP is because there’s no one here to play third base.

he's hitting righties at a .257 clip

Fontenot isn’t hitting anyone

Again, that's not good but not as bad as you make it sound.

No one on this team is hitting – and I love Andres Blanco’s defense but he’s not an offensive solution.

Exactly...

He has direct control over the lineup he puts out there. Make some changes, don’t contemplate sitting people or think about changes… make them!

I'm just glad Fox is back. Now maybe the offense will perk up a bit.

Ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good heavens!

I don’t think she is wearing a bra.

lol

What gave that away?

I didn't notice

a bra strap on either shoulder. That’s when I knew something was up.

Yes, good eye.

How are you at hitting a baseball? Can you recognize a breaking pitch?

If I knew it

was coming, then yeah, probably.

Something is definitely up
holy god she's hot

even if she is a bit of a weirdo

with deformed thumbs
I'm okay with that
Neck too long, do not want...

Kidding.

Sharp knees?
Give Ryno a shot.

He’ll bust some balls.

we said that about Lou once upon a time
i think alan trammell could manage this team better than lou.
I think Alan Alda could manage this team better than Lou.
How about Donald Sutherland?
Kiefer Sutherland would be fun to watch in the dugout

if someone got him some drinks

We're running out of time!

Where is the bomb?!?

Yeah, I could see it.

The bomb is on the field

Wearing blue pinstripes…

There's got to be something

in that man-purse to get this offense going!

Probably scotch
Gary Burghoff for bench coach.
"The squeeze is on! Call for a pitch out, Hawkeye!"
Alan Alda has the greatest voice evar

Hearing those pipes in the clubhouse could inspire anybody to play

Heres what lou should do

Fox in left for soriano, blanco at second for the rest of his life, and play freel when he’s back at third permanently till Ramirez returns

can we just have Blanco at second until the end of the season?

I’m certain a new GM would be able to find better options

How about SS?

Riot and Fonty could platoon at 2B.

how about Riot at second, and Fonty can rot on the bench
I think LBR needs a breather

We’ll see if he gets on when Farney gets back to the big-league club.

he needs to be on another team
He's not that bad.
He's not that good either.
nor is he very good.
He gave the team a +.900 OPS last season in 284 PAs.

He’s been forced out of position this season and, yes, he’s struggled. But he’s picked it up this month – he’s hit for a .793 OPS with a .383 OBP. No one is hitting consistently right now besides perhaps DLee.

Then Theriot would rarely play.
Freel?

Not so much.

If Soriano ever gets his head out of his ass, put Fox at 3B.

I don't think that's every going to happen
Agree.

Lou’s not gonna do it. Fox getting into the lineup will have to be at either Soriano or Bradley’s expense.

I think he meant Sori's not getting his head out of his ass....
That actually couldn't be any worse offensively than the past month.
Never bet against the 09 Cubs' offensive impotency.
Remember

People have been saying “it can’t get worse” for the past month….and guess what, it’s continued to be just as worse. I suppose technically it can’t get “worse” but it sure as hell can continue to be just as absolutely atrocious as its been. I keep pointing it out but it’s fools gold to suggest these guys are going to hit just because their track record is as such. If they’re in the middle of a “track record regression” they better do something other than just wait around for guys to hit.

When Freel is back, Fontenot can go back to second base vs. RHP.
where he'll continue to pop up weakly
Hmm.. I don't know what to say to that suggestion..
Is there any place

To hear the post game show online? It’s not on WGN.com and the MLB app on the iphone just stops broadcasting after the game….

It's just going to be a bunch of people calling in and bitching, anyway

Kind of like here . . . can’t …turn…away…

Slowing down to watch the carnage on the side of the road, huh?
Pretty much

Cathartic in a pathetic, loser-like way.

Gameday audio just cut out...

…so try WGN’s live feed now.

Cubs.com has the funniest headline

“Cubs in comeback mode against White Sox.”

that site is always good for a laugh
I also think it's pretty funny they're campaigning for Soriano and Dome to make the allstar team

might be the only place you’ll hear anyone claim they deserve to go

I have a feeling this Soriano at second thing is coming

Lou won’t take him out, and Fontenot or Miles will get the bench.

probably Fontenot; Miles is on a hot streak!
You mean he didn't hit into a 1-3

In every AB?

HAHAHAHA

It scares me that Lou might actually think that double was a sign and continue to play him.

I don't think it would have mattered if he'd gone 0-5

the fact that Miles was in today shows Lou is rewarding him for good play

isn't, I meant isn't
losing to the White Sox doesn't even bother me

looking pathetic and lethargic every game for the past month is what really makes me mad.

Scary stat

A. Miles had 100% of the Cubs’ extra-base hits today.

And accounted for the only run
How can we start Mr .200 at 2nd everyday?

when Grudzelandek is sitting at home doing nothing??

If we're going to give Miles over 4 million for 2 years...

what do you think Grudz is going to want?

considering no one else is calling

the league minimum with a chance to show he can still play

Why not?
I think its a pretty good idea

but it won’t happen

This got pretty fun pretty quick after a tough loss

Thanks guys. I really needed the pick-me-up. Esp. that Megan Fox photo and the subsequent comments.

You wanna go 162 games on this site

You gotta have resiliency.

+1
+1 to the overflow??
or did you mean chilango?
(I meant for that to be indented.)
+100

This time to the overflow. Seriously, you all make this so much easier. Much Thx.

It was "Crapture", wasn't it?
I liked Crapture
Actually, my favorite was "Cubsment Day"

Because it’s so stupid sounding.

Yes!

When you want jokes that make you laugh cos they’re stupid, come to me!

Seriously, though

“Cubsment Day” sounds like the wussiest day ever. “Oh no, oh god, it’s Cubsment Day. The day when we all suddenly become below average performers at everything we do”

Yup.

“And, lo, you will stand before the Lord and declare your allegiance. And if thou dost bleed Cubbie blue He will look upon you, sadness in his eyes, and usher you in as you peacefully states, ‘You have suffered enough, my son. Welcome.’”

It was a veritable crapgasm.
I've always been a fan of Craptastic
How about crapverlode?
Nah, sounds too much like

that's my new desktop background
always the man to crapture the moment ... thanks, SWL!
Now I've got Blondie stuck in my head

Thanks, jerk!

Bwahaha!

(I do too, if it makes you feel any bettter.)

Now YOU did it to me...

I had to think about what you meant…

Sharing is caring, y'know
This year's team needs to leave New Cubrica and find Earth.

I’d be thrilled if 3 of you got that.

Yeah, there's several of us here.

Hell, look at my sig line!

On this board?

There will probably be 4 or 5 who don’t get it…

There are some things that make sense

but anyway one looks at it – being at the bottom of the NL with success at RISP, plus an empty out in the lead-off position, is obviously a formula for disaster.

I do not know if Lou has the energy anymore, as Al pointed to previously, to deal with this.

Reed Johnson had 4 LOB by himself today. He should have been playing more during Dome’s abysmal slump. Soto, I agree, needs some days off. He K’s or pops out, way too much to be in the 5 hole – and, it seems as if he is losing balls in the dirt more than I recall.

Miles – TWO YEARS?! Hendry!!!! You’re FIRED!

So – I suggest we all start a letter writing campaign to the GM and Crane Kenny. Who have not been found much these days.

Less than three RPG? This cannot continue. UGH!

Recap thread is up

Jump!

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