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Overflow Thread 3: Cubs vs. White Sox, Saturday 6/27, 3:10 CT

From Friday's game.

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Let's score LOTS of runs

We will need them.

Wouldn't

It be fitting that Bradley ends this game with a walk off shot?? Let’s go Cubbies!!

we're visitors

we can’t walkoff.

ahhh

you know what I mean!!

Bradley did yesterday
we had a self proclaimed baseball genius about to bet $50 dollars the other day that the Cubs walking off with a win in Atlanta

the entire table was giggling, he never caught up with the rest of the class

first and third

no outs. 1-1 on Blanco.

Let's make this the game-winning thread!

come on andy whiite

What's a wild pitch look like....?
gruund ball to short

FREEL GOES HOME on the throw to first! HE’S SAFE! 7-6 Cubs, Dome to 2nd!

Freel Great Baserunning!!!!1
WHAT JUST HAPPENED!?
Blanco grounded to second

Ramirez held Freel, but when he threw to first, Freel decided to go home anyway. He beat the throw from first to home, and Dome made it to second.

Wow...WTF JUST HAPPENED?!?!
Great baserunning by Freel
He scored? We have the lead? YESSSS!

freel has good speed, just needs to get on base

F A R N E Y!
Told you

Farney was out there spooking A.J while Freel scored.

If you take a pair of those old 3D movie glasses to the ballpark...

.. then you can actually see Farney and watch all his antics…

and if you bring a am/fm radio and headset, you can tune to channel 96.9 to hear their conversations
I LOVE FREEL!!!!!
Dotel in from the pen

to face Soriano. DAREDEVIL baserunning by Farney!

Theriot taking notes
Keep it going!!!!
SAFE!

Welcome to the Cubs, Ryan Freel!

safe at the ...........plate!
That right there...

… is the first time i’ve appreciated Freel all season. Nice base running.

it's really

the first CHANCE to appreciate Freel all season! :D

Exactly...

I think fans have been too hard on him, since he hasn’t had the chance to prove himself.

who scored farney or freel
Freel

but I bet Farney told him to run.

Freel with farney's encouragment
still waiting...

for ruling from the official scorer…

Blanco, on an RBI groundout.
Blanco...

…totally planned it that way.

Not gonna lie...

Since I’m listening on the radio and can’t see anything, my first thought there was “Freel! You stupid ass what are you doing!?!”…

But hell yeah! Shows what I know.

its one of those Hero or Goat plays
So

do we wanna see Marmol in the 8th?

No

nononnonononono

Who else would you like to see?

Ascanio?

I kinda like Patton

but that’s just me.

I actually

agree I think it could be a break-out game for him and actually might make Lou use him more if he got the chance.

it feels weird to realize

I do not want to.

yes
One of these things is not like the other.
I don't look at the season through a microscope
I don't even own a microscope.
I own

a telescope and I’ve rinsed with scope

I say Marshall
I

say Ascaino (sp?) but I think it is going to Marmol

who else

is available? I’d prefer Ascanio.

about everyone else

7-6

Cubs lead. One out. Dome at second, Soriano to bat against Dotel. Powah versus POWAH!

time for fonzie to cash in again

Just poke another base hit

to right, Sori.

Just poke a homerun to the leftfield bleachers...
Let's go Sori!

Make me an ass for having you on the bench in my fantasy league!

Another run would be AWESOME.

heh soriano talking in japanese

I'm impressed. Japanese is rough.
Speaking it isn't too hard.

Reading it is a b*tch.

a walk is good
ball four

Sori walks. Two on one out. Riot to the plate. Dotel not with a lot of command.

Walk to Sori! come on Theriot!
nice sori ... walk
Way to work the walk
Is it just me or does Sori look like he's standing more upright than he use to.

Reason for his slump?

Love it when they walk Soriano!
Riot

takes strike one.

theriot can jack one out of this park
Theriot looks at 2 strikes..0-2
A walk is better than a wild swing at a low outside pitch in the dirt
Really?

lol well played
I don't.

I can never tell which are rhetorical, and which are not.

Take the bat off your shoulders!
he definitely

should not have the bat on both shoulders.. way too hard to start your swing from that position… :P

I want Bradley to hit.

I want to see what he’s made of.

snips and snails?

and puppy-dog tails??

Turtles

all the way down.

what a scrappy battle
That's what Bradley said

yesterday

Pat says marmol ready....... ;-(
He'll be fine....
Wow..now a hit is even more important

really needs some geico

Riot

tries to check, but swings at a curve in the dirt. Two outs, Bradley to the plate.

I would like

to know how many pitches Theriot has seen in this game….

it was 8 pitches in that at bat

and 10 in the walk about.. I did not see the others.

about = at bat

John locke went on a walk about
Trying

to talk to customers and type at the same time

Bradley

bats left handed. Ball one.

Don't understand your left-handed comment

Since it is a righty pitching. Did somebody say he was going to bat right-handed more?

no, just letting people know

drew is a pro like that

he's a switch hitter

but he’s been struggling much more from the left side. Lou said he wouldn’t mind if Bradley batted RH more.

The splits are eye-opening

He should just go RH full time.

Let's go Milton
Alright Milton...

Let’s drive ’em in!

Passion bucket!

Haha Dan Patrick is laughing somewhere

double would be nice
Come on, MB.

Let’s get some insurance runs!

bouncer to third

short-hopped by Beckham. Out at first.

To coin a phase...

“I would be very surprised” if MB did anything positive here.

I was not surprised.

But I guess Milton was.

and bradley cant cash in again

Go home

Milton

OK looks like Marmol is coming in..Please no Walks
Who's coming in to pitch?
Carlos "walk'em" Marmol
Marmol

Hopefully, it’s “Strikeout” Marmol and not “Base-on-balls” Marmol.

BRADLEY, AHHHHH WTF
I can't believe they just said passion bucket.

Hilarious.

This is very weird

Milton just can’t seem to drive the ball this year. It’s not like him at all to have such consistently weak at-bats.

Has better luck with Gatorade coolers though, you got to give him that
he's wound up too tight.
Milton Bradley sucks.
insightful
awesome contribution
More

Tums, please

Marmol in.

Please be better than yesterday!

shucks 38 BB, 39 Ks, jeez o peez
WHY is Judd talking????
A better question: Why is Judd PAID to talk?
better question

Who were the 100’s of applicants that were worse than Judd?

I wish I got paid

to talk that much. I can yell.

Marmol to Beckham

strike one.

I predict a 1,2, 4 inning here.

With a meaningless walk.

Game cast says the Cubs have a 67% chance of winning this game.
Down to 59% now

I always like how it’ll change a percent or two on a ball or a strike. Never put much weight in the numbers myself.

Bloop to left

Freel can’t make the catch. Beckham on with a leadoff single.

Beckham looper over Freel

bloop single over head of farney

Wise

shows bunt, takes a strike.

Sox seem to

.. be getting their share of bloop hits…

Ron says

Marmol seems to be throwing a bit better.

2-1 on Wise.

throw strikes

now

Snap throw to first

almost wild. Not in time.

Wise bunts to first

Blanco covers. 3-4. Beckham to second. One out, Pods to the plate.

I feel like we need some EA help right about now...
Ahh geez, here comes Pods...
It's ok.

He can’t hit them all….

Pods

is 4-4 ugh

this calls for a big K
just a little high

1-2.

STRIKE POD OUT
fly ball down the right field line

just foul. Egad.

Hit him
Brilliant...

… lets put the winning run on base.

who posses the most speed in the league
jeeez that was close
whew....

How many times can he hit the lines…

KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
we need to put some preparation H on Pods
this guy keeps fightin pitches off jeez
2-2

on low and outside. Ramirez on deck.

Full count

just outside. Yikes.

The nerves, they're wracked

come on marmolade

Fly ball to center

Dome makes the catch! Runner holds, two outs. Ramirez to the plate.

Love Dome's defense
Marshall

up in the pen.

strike two

called.

Just get one more out!

good thing ramirez hit that, it might have hit him

Ground ball in teh hole

to left field. Tie game.

Fucking Marmol, unbelievable
please watch

the langauge.

Even Al says it's okay everyone once in a while haha
when used intelligently
more great analysis
Tell me how that was marmol's fault
Since he allowed the tieing run to reach when he gave up a hit to the leadoff batter

who then came around to score, I’m trying to figure out how it isn’t obvious

Lots of rocket science

evident in some of these posts. Oh, well, if that’s how Al wants it …

It was a bloop single and a lucky seeing eye ground ball

Who was pitching was irrelevant

Absolutely right

That’s what they call “baseball.”

actually, what you and Heine are doing is called

rationalizing

Do you have the game on tv?
yep.

I’m encouraged by marmols outing. Pitches were looking great. The hits we’re blind swings that found grass

yeah, obviously no one could retire a batter, or make the batter miss entirely

it would be 100% impossible

it was a pretty luck hit

the ball was nearly in the dirt.

Let's see...

Marmol has faced 4 guys. 2 of them have reached base and 1 of them has scored.

He'll eventually be moved down

Obviously you can’t have your setup man constantly giving up runs and leads. If he keeps it up, Lou won’t hesitate.

Ron says it was a great pitch

in the dirt

Yep, looked good on game cast.
looked great on tv
gameday

concurs…

low and well outside the zone…

Damn....

Sounds like it was a lucky hit…

Pastadiving Theriot

Dye takes ball one.

marmols losing it

How can you say that on 2 pitches?
Honestly

When was the last game Marmol appeared in that a run did not score while he was in.. someone please look this up!

Tuesday night vs. the Tigers

just off the top of my head.

We

were losing when he came in right?

Nope

Just had taken the lead on Hoffpauir’s two-run homer.

I'm gonna start pushing harder

for an expansion of the Patton Experiment!

Dye

deep drive to center field - DOME MAKES A LEAPING CATCH!

Wow. Three outs.

I just pooped my pants.
Dam almost a HR
Thank you Kosuke! ! !
Sounds like Dome

just made a game saver

That he did

Good jump on the ball, leaping catch on the warning track… nice play

kept the go-ahead run

from scoring.

AWESOME CATCH!
Kosuke Catch...

How good was it!?

an 8 1/2
Over his left sholder, mid leap.

Looked awkward as hell.

Wasn't really anything special...

He leaped but he didn’t need to. I think he thought he was at the wall, when in reality he was about two feet from it. Should’ve been routine.

yes he did need to leap

are you even watching this game?

Umm....

Are YOU watching the game? He both leaped and landed before the wall. What are you talking about?

Cause the ball was going over his head????
Again, what are you talking about?

He thought he was at the wall so he leaped. It’s pretty simple.

you are telling me what Fukudome was thinking?

He leapt in full stride five feet in front of the wall

Who cares.

He made a semi-athletic, semi-awkward catch on a line drive to the wall to save us a couple of runs.

Good job, no matter how circus it was.

I just rewound it and watched again...

He definitely was not full stride. This is dumb though. Agree to disagree.

sort of upset you I guess

ruined your Marmol sucks post you had loaded

Again...

Love Dome’s defense.

small ball is in order
Looked like he almost hit it out...
Thank god Marmol was in, because clearly, he deserved yet another shot to blow a game

after not quite blowing it yesterday

Two seeing eye singles, thats it.

Marmol was better today

Well, the lineup is where I want it this inning

Lee, Fox, 420

against bobby jenks though

Fuku...

Dome…clap clap clap clap clap

Jenks in

to pitch. Lee at the plate.

Domo Arigato, dome
God, that beard is so... dare i say it...

… south side?

coupla

jacks wouldn’t be out of order here…

Obama throwing out the first pitch?

He’ll probably bitch about the strikezone…after all, he is a Sox fan.

our tax $$$$$$$$ at work
When will Lou admit he was wrong

about Marmol AND STOP USING HIM IN THE 8TH INNING ?? Seriously this is INSANE. Ok he did not walk anyone but he did not strike anyone out either and threw 26 pitches. At this point I would rather have David Patton in the 8th but of course we only see him once a week so probably not the best idea. Lou’s idea of managing is the same as Dusty’s just keep doing the SAME thing ( as in Neffi, Hawkins etc) to show you MUST be right when you said you trusted a player.

"C.Y.A." managing

aka Managing While Looking Over Your Shoulder

I really don't think

Marmol did anything badly there. Two lucky hits.

+ baseball smarts

Lee strikes out.

OT: Update on DeRo

Just caught the first part of the Indians radio broadcast — right before the first pitch…

DeRo is not in the starting lineup tonight. Tom Hamilton said that no one will say anything about why he is not in the lineup (he is not injured), and he saw DeRo in the clubhouse making lots of phone calls while the rest of the team was out on the field stretching.

There has been no official announcement, and there probably won’t be one until the end of the game, but Hamilton feels that DeRo has been notified of a trade. Hamilton made no guess about what other team(s) may be involved.

It would make sense that Hendry would make more of an effort to get DeRo now, since he might be the guy to help Gameboard feel more welcome in the clubhouse. Of course the Reds, Cards, Brewers, Braves, Marlins, Yankees, etc. probably feel the same way.

Stay tuned…

If he goes to St Louis

I will be devastated.

or Milwaukee
dont need him
Oh, for Christ's sake
why not just the comment go?
Some stuff

is too ridiculous to let slide.

Are you trying to stifle my freedom of speech? Maybe you should let my comment go. Ever think of that?

we just lost the game

will you both quit it, please?

Noble effort, Drew

but that ain’t gonna happen.

only because you won’t let it.

Nope

Takes two to tango, buddy. I’m sick of being told I’m the one who’s the problem.

and I asked

both of you to quit it.

Whatever.

wow

thanks for the update

I have a bad feeling it's going to be the Cards

but I’ve rarely hoped I was wrong more than I do right now

30 teams want dero

Appreciate the update.

Hopefully news sooner rather than later, if for no other reason than to put this thing to rest.

that scares the poopy out of me
Don't think any Cubs players are MIA today

or pulled from this game other than Dempster and Heilman

if it is the Cubs, it's going to be somebody in the minors, young pitching...
no way the Cubs
On the Indians board

someone said Bradley for Dero… I think that was tongue in cheek though

errie feeling I have had since third inning.

Team who has last at bat will win if it is within 2 runs. man.a healthy aramis probably makes that play on beckhams duck snort

Fox o v e r d u e
so is 80% of our

lineup

0-5 welcome to reality
You are a breath of fresh air

/s

wait, you mean he wasn't going to have a 90 game hitting streak?

there goes my life savings

Soto

0-2

Soto is on deck, if I remember correctly.
it was Fox

my bad.

Let's go Foxy....
we need a hanger
got it..

.. just didn’t hit it well enough..

0-5

All fly outs to center

fox flies out to deep center

looks close to where dye flew out
Ahhhhh shoooot
FOX HIGH DRIVE

deep center field. Wise back to the warning track and makes the catch.

Five at bats, five fly outs to center.

Two outs. Soto to the plate.

stay hot sotoooooooo

who is

warming in the pen?

Alright Soto

Lets do it.. Jenks looks good unfortunately

Strike three called

Soto goes down. Three outs. On to the bottom of the 9th.

Let's hope this goes to extras.
Damn

What a game so far.. lets hold them!

Damn....

Alright, buckle down boys.

Been an unbelievable game

Would be nice to win it, but I don’t like going to extras on the road.

Yeah...

I’m really enjoying this game. And it’s going unnoticed it feels like, but recently the Cubs have been scoring runs. No reason we can’t score some more…

Hopefully our new hitting coach is taking hold.

Dome has looked better, as has Soto.

So has Sori to a degree...
Agreed. Good point.
Soto

Has developed a real nasty habit of taking called third strikes.

His OBP says that he has a pretty good eye

lou just had to keep demp in..

Brewers down 1-0 top of 2
BTW: I hate the White Sox

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That's when I liked 'em

During the Bill Veeck years of the mid to late 70s.

Holy Shnike! That's Rich Gossage in that photo!
Thome

in to face Marshall. Gregg up in the pen.

Ascanio

also throwing in the pen.

Let's go Sean mow these bums down!
San Fran, Represent!

did they seriously just say lou didnt want to use marshall because of all his work? hes never used

This is FOX man. FOX.

Facts aren’t important here.

I really hope we get to see Gregg

but I miss Guzman

I think we all miss Guzman.
Thome

in the air to left… Sori makes a backhanded running catch! On the dead run!

Who's this Soriano guy?

.. sounds like a decent left fielder…

nice catch by fonzie

soto

seems to k looking a LOT. is he a guess hitter?

Konerko to the plate.

Marshall still in.

Soriano makes the catch........

it must be our day

No time to hop on that play
Wow. Sori must have covered a lot of ground.
line drive

base hit to left for a single.

Konerko singles to left.
no problem

dp coming

we got em right where we want em
Field in to pinch-run

Pierzynski to bat. marshall still in.

Roll it!

And we’ll get out the bats…

this DeRo thing has gotten me a little nervous .... along with the game
we'll find out

one way or another.

Sorry I just got here...

What’s going on with DeRo?

apparently

he’s not playing today, but no one will say why. Speculation is he’s been traded. No one knows where.

his wife wants out of Cleveland
His brother-in-law

was seen at a urinal next to a well-known Chicago Realtor… Make of it what you will.

coincidence?
I'm just goint to be glad its finally over.

I’d welcome him back, obviously. He’d be a great addition.

But i’ll welcome the end to the talk and suspense too.

he could put the Cardinals over the top
i don't even want to imagine that sight in my head
Nothing posted on MLBTradeRumors.com at the present...
Let's be serious here
oh here?
Yeah, I guess

I should have known. :)

Cards want Holiday
pujols has been pushing for more help offensively
Me too.

I’d be ecstatic if we somehow traded Milton for DeRo. Of course, that’s not likely at all.

we don't need a right-fielder

we need infield support.

Um...

DeRosa is an infielder.

Hoff/Fox platoon in RF.

that would be

bad. We need Bradley, and no one’s going to trade for him anyway.

You'd rather have...

Bradley instead of DeRosa?

Seriously??

no

but I don’t want a Hoffpauir/Fox platoon in right. I want DeRosa AND Bradley.

Hoff/Fox would outperform...

Bradley by a sizable margin. Defense would take a hit, but we need offense. Badly.

I don't

agree with that at all. You’re speculating. Bradley, for example, got on base two more times then Fox did.

LOL...

Your argument is because Bradley got on base more in ONE GAME?! LOL.

Fox hasn't proven anything yet

As much as I like him.

Sure...

So if the Hoff/Fox platoon doesn’t work, but DeRo in RF. He’s a pretty sure bet to continue to outperform Milton.

and if you do that

then you lose whatever infield insurance you gained by getting DeRosa in the first place.

That’s why you keep both.

You don't get DeRosa...

To get infield insurance. You get him to hit. Regardless of it’s as a RF, 3B, etc.

you get DeRosa

to make the team better. It doesn’t make the team better to make Right Field — at Wrigley, no less — weaker.

Again...

DeRosa is an upgrade over Bradley. It’s that simple. I don’t see how you don’t agree with that.

Because

once again, we’re not (hypothetically) getting DeRosa to play outfield.

Can you possibly look at the big picture here...

Are you capable of that?

funny

I’d say the same thing about you.

Defensive Metrics

I’d like to see where all the previous pennant winners ranked in terms of fielding percentage, or whatever the current (read: more accurate) measure of fielding prowess is. Obviously the teams that lead the league in errors won’t be up there, but I’m curious as to exactly how much fielding factors in – especially with respect to runs scored/runs allowed, team ERA, league OBP.

my argument

is that Fox and Hoff are both pretty much unproven, and Bradley is not a .230 hitter.

Sacrificing defense for possible offense is not the way to contend.

Besides, this is my dream, and if I want DeRo AND Bradley, I can have them. :P

When the Cubs...

Are 2nd to last in baseball in offense, and dead last with RISP… yes, you do sacrifice defense to improve your offense if necessary. Of course you do that, come on.

no

you don’t. Not when you’re 4 games back and in third place.

Right...

You continue to fail on offense. Got it.

no

you get DeRosa and KEEP Bradley. IE, make the team better.

And how do you get DeRosa then...
I don't know

but why the hell would Cleveland take Bradley???

They probably wouldn't...

without the Cubs eating a good chunk of that contract. It’s obviously all hypothetical.

well, if that happens

there’s no money for DeRosa anyway. Any move of Bradley would be a salary dump, and we’ll get nothing big back.

I'd be completely fine with that.
Fox
Not that I advocate that
The indians have been pretty upfront about what they want.

Young pitching. I don’t think Bradley qualifies.

We have Wells

But I’d be pissed if we traded him.

He said "for example".

Look, we are all pissy with Bradley right now. But be real.

I could have sworn that we needed pitching today
10 times out of 10

I’d rather have him. Case closed.

And 10 times out of 10...

You’d have the lessor team.

That's "lesser"

and I don’t think so.

Spelling corrections...

Nice.

You’re still wrong. It’s pretty simple. Bradley: 91 OPS+. DeRosa: 105 OPS+

mind closed perhaps, not the case
Eric Wedge and Gameboard are mortal enemies.

In ST, Gameboard hit a HR against the Tribe and pointed at Wedge the entire way around the bases. I’m not sure why Gameboard can’t let go of the anger from 5 teams ago, but Gameboard isn’t welcome in Cleveland.

grounder to third. Freel throws to first. Fields safe at second. Two outs.

Jason Nyx

to pinch hit for Getz. Lou pulls Marshal. Ascanio to pitch.

Rons is surprised..

.. that Freel didn’t go to second on that play. comments from those of you watching the game??

Would've been very close.
i doubt he had time....and it would have been a throw across his body
slow roller...Ron is crazy haha
3 errors?

There’s no way we should lose this effin game.

Alright

here we go. Ascanio on the mound, Nyx at the plate. Fields at second. Two outs.

If this goes to extras, we will win. I feel it.
Has Miles been spotted...

in uniform today? Maybe he’s been traded, with others obviously, for DeRo…

I would eat his entire contract...

if we could ditch him and get DeRo in return.

It would be like christmas.

And my birthday. And st. paddys. And everything else great. All in one.

honestly, when was the last time Miles was spotted?

He’s finally been relegated to the end of the bench

I would really, really like

to win this game.

outside fastball

1-0

that was a close pitch
mlbtraderumors.com

“Bleed Cubbie Blue says Milton Bradley must go.”

really? we did?

You aren't BCB

Al is.

Why didn't they quote Al then! I have been misrepresented
lol

some people in the comments section were none to kind to al

heh

he is considered to be the editorial voice of the site. :D

I'm good with anything Al has to say

just MLBtraderumors should quote him instead of the masses

Commentors aren't considered to be the voice of a blog

We don’t write articles. We just comment on them.

Al did.

on the front page.

Would of helped if I read that one!
Al posted an article earlier today

Its title: “Milton Bradley must go.”

Any 'ol out will do
Curve outside

2-0

Al did
right

shouldn’t the post say “al says bradley must go”

Al is the voice of BCB. Much like there will be a headline that says:

Chicago Sun Times says Cubs acquire…….

The entire staff of the paper didn’t say it, just the writer covering the situation

throw strikes!
throw freaking strikes

youd think the guy in the goat mask wouldve hada heat stroke by now

What is the temperature at the game?
it probably smells terrible under that masks

After 2 days of use

Nyx

swings at a high fastball. 2-2.

Wow. That ball was at his eyes.
face high fast ball

as stoney used to say

Max swings at that pitch

all the freakin time. Drives me nuts.

outside fastball. Full count.

ascanio lost his doofy glasses

and the strike zone
Nyx

walks. Two on, two outs, Beckham to the plate.

not the end of the world

Lets take down the rookie

I hate walks so much
strikes would be good here
Cubs Lose
Hopefully the Brewers

will do the same

How about you and I cheer for the Giants

So the suds lose?

Go Giants
Thats the game

poop

Fly ball to right

Over Bradley’s head. White Sox win 8-7.

was it catchable?
no
You really irritated him, heine

He wanted another reason to bitch about Bradley.

I don't know

Pat said it was over his head.

strikes

would have been better the last hitter

I hate losing so much

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This is painful
yes, it is.
Ah!

That’s aggravating. Oh, well. Whoever batted last was going to win.

crap what a terrible way to end a great game.
it *was* a good game... until a minute ago...
well crap

that was worth getting up at 6am on Sunday for…

Why the hell did Marshall come out?

For Ascanio?!

Because he is a lefty

He is not allowed to face to many righty’s. Lou’s by the book managing..

I just don't get it.

He is a former starter who had to get all batters out and I believe he had pretty good numbers overall. Why is he our designated LOOGY.

I understand using him in LOOGY situations but he can be left in if needed.

another question would be why did Marmol pitch at all

this was another in a long line of poorly managed games by Lou

Sorry not in Lou's book

Just like a week ago when Lou put him in for a single batter ( who got a lucky hit) then pulled him for Marmol who gave up bases
loaded walk which lead to our entire bullpen being blown out and Guzman going on the DL. Lou absolutely can NOT manage the bullpen and does not think past one batter. We were in a TIE game at a visitors park which is a good time to conserve your pitchers but not Lou. I know how much I sound like a broken record but it is just mind boggling that he keeps doing the same stuff over and over and over and never learning from any of it. I honestly think Derek Lowe got it right when he said that Lou still had a hitter mentality and he neither understood nor trusted pitchers.

Two suggestions for Lou

1) If a reliever is getting guys out, leave him in!
2) If a guy is struggling with control, take him out!

Now cover your ears because I’m going to yell…

I FREAKIN’ HATE THE LEFTY-RIGHTY MATCHUP OBSESSION THAT MANAGERS HAVE!!!!

lou should not have brought out demp for the 6th

How many times

you gonna post that?

Thank you bullpen. They're called strikes, try it some time
AJ seriously...

bleaches his hair? WTF.

Leave it the Cubs

To give up a game winning hit to a g*d d*mn .188 hitter. Every read a f*cking scouting report?

Too bad, I thought they had a shot to win this one
11th loss in the opponents last at bat.

DAMN. That hurts.

relievers gotta throw strilkes ARRRGGHHH!!
They commit three errors and still win
When we hit, the pitching blows

When he pitch well, the hitting blows

and that weird balk
Cubs have allowed 11 walk-offs
Walkoffs or last at bats?

Not that it matters but…

Last at bats losses.

11 of them.

Just saying they aren't walk offs, per se
Agreeing.

There is a distinct difference.

Loses are loses. But one is less dramatic.
Bullpen blows another one.
Dempster was also off today.

He got lit up in the sixth inning for three runs, remember. Can’t blame this one completely on the bullpen, though they did blow the lead late.

yeah, demp has not been sharp since riley was diagnosed with digeorge syndrome

11 loses in the opponents final at bat.

Wow if we miss the playoffs, that will be the reason.

I just had to

Playoffs? Don’t talk about playoffs. Playoffs? I just want to win a game.

Or if we finish below .500
And if, by the grace of God, we make the playoffs

how many games would we win with anemic hitting and a bullpen that can’t throw strikes???

So I guess

the Cubs should just forfeit the rest of the season right now, if that’s going to be the case.

Do you people enjoy being perpetually miserable?

Nope

just after games like today

Don't think so

Some Cubs fans aren’t happy unless they’re bitching all the time.

Do we even read scouting reports?

Seriously. He is hitting.188 against MLB pitching. What is he hitting against Cubs pitching?

Under 500 again. If the Astros and Reds win we are in 5th place
And still 3.5 games out

So what.

so more teams to jump

not particularly hard to see his point………for most people

Also not hard for most people to see at this point

is the date on the calendar. You know what that is, right?

yeah its June, time to make a move
Remember 2003?

When did the Cubs make their big move then? How about 2007?

Relax. It’ll be OK.

If it helps us

Get that Bryce Harper kid, I’ll take a first to last.

Who cares. It's June 27th.
We were in worse shape in 2007
Patton was an option Lou
no...

only option for the 8th is Marmol period!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

that worked well
Why ?

He has been a total disaster of late. I don’t know about Patton but MARSHALL or Hart could have started the 8th .

Truthfully, I would take this loss for a DeRo reacquisition
cue...

Not Bruce Froemming. :)

3...2...1
Give the Dero crap a rest. It's not happening.
thank you
IF it does, are you both willing to face the music?
Absolutely. Are you?
Absolutely.

I just think it’s better to say “I don’t think it’s going to happen”. To say “It’s not happening” makes one sound omniscient…and stupid if by chance it does.

or pompous
Oh jeez. Take a breath.
Neither BleedsBlueinMI or Clutche are being pompous

They could very well be right – DeRosa does not get traded back to the Cubs. I guess the hot weather has me a little peevish, and whenever I hear something “will never happen” it just pushes a button of mine.

You are right.

D-ro was my favorite Cub the last couple years. I’m not against it, but it is getting old. It was a bad move, Hendry screwed up, but I really don’t think he is coming back.

of course
Some of it is my wanting DeRo back

so what you guys said frustrated me. Certainly you’re entitled to your opinion and however you want to phrase it. My skin needs thickening.

wait and see young stunna
Other teams have closers that can throw strikes when its important, why dont we!????

gregg didnt pitch…

Rothschild
And the house of cards?

If you get rid of Rothschild, it will cause a lot of problems. The starting pitching is fine. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

Waaaah!

Where’s my blankie?

Guess what?

Acanio’s pitch was a strike. Mid thigh right down the middle of the plate.

FML

I’m never coming back to the game threads again! haha

Another frustrating loss

We lost that game in the 8th when Marmol couldnt get the job done…again. This is an all to familiar scene for this club.

Be nice to take 2-3 but we just let another one slip away.

for once its not completely marmols fault

I agree

he pitched better and Theirot should have knocked that ball down I thought.

That being said, Marmol’s inability to locate remains a problem. You have Alexi 0-2 you got to try to get a swing outside the zone. Marmol did not locate well.

So I guess

the Cubs have no hope tomorrow?

Huh

I said it would be nice to take 2-3. But we did let one slip away. I certainly did not mean that BECAUSE we let one slip away, we are going to lose tomorrow.

Too many games have gotten away, I dont think anyone can dispute that.

Bruce can, and will
And for just about every one of those

The Cubs have won one they shouldn’t have.

And how does one prove that ridiculous argument?

You do have an unpleasant demeanor.

It's not a ridiculous argument

It’s the truth. They’ve had a lot of games that could have gone either way this season.

I disagree

but as Reddevil said, its not provable.

Well, let's see ....

Three games in a row on the last homestand … two victories over the Cardinals in April … blowing the lead against the Astros, then coming back to win that … just off the top of my head.

And if some of you weren’t constantly dicks, I wouldn’t have to respond in kind.

And if my assertion is not provable,

neither is yours.

Neither are provable.

lets just agree to disagree.

I'm with you on that

No hard feelings.

Why are you constantly such a dick?

He didn’t say anything remotely near that. You just come here, seemingly daily, and make stupid posts like that to start an argument. It’s so freaking bizarre!

+99999999
I didn't see the game until the ninth inning.

But, when you give up 8 runs, I’m thinking the problem is more than just Marmol.

Hope things are better

when I come back to my hometown for vacation 7/2/09

This isnt on Marmol

A fisted bloop hit over Freel’s head and a seeing eye single? He had good stuff today. The only well struck ball against him was that long out from Dye.

I agree to an extent

But he still didnt make the pitches he need to. You cant claim that the pitch to Alexi with an 0-2 count was a good hit. It was a strike, which is not what you need there.

Where ya going?
Rothschild needs to do his job and figure out what's wrong with Marmol.
Carlos

Had no walks and gave up a bloop hit and a see eye groundball hit. It was actually a very good outing for him.

Trading walks for hits is worse

I guess it’s a start.

He threw more strikes today

but he also did not make good pitches to Beckham (an easy strikeout victim down in the count) and Alexi 0-2. I would say it was a “better” outing for Marmol, but when you blow the lead, you cant have a vry good outing.

Bloop hits not really pitchers fault

nor are seeing eye ground balls.

Ah, yes

It’s all Larry’s fault. Brilliant.

Not saying it's Larry's fault.

Just saying a good pitching coach should be able to figure out why a lights out guy is so off this year. I personally really like Larry.

My gf (sox fan)

has been to three crosstown classic games.

Aram’s walkoff.
Soriano walkoff.
yesterdays game.

And we’re going tomorrow. We’ll be fine. :)

I've only been to one Crosstown Classic game.

The one last year in which Contreras got roughed up at Wrigley.

If you go tomorrow, have a great time!

Yeah so far so good...

I’m 2-0 and I believe Z is going to be on tomorrow.

That's 4 starts in a row in which Demp has struggled with his control.

maybe they can put him on a phantom DL stint so he can spend some time with his family

I was thinking the same thing

Maybe he should miss a start or two

Doesnt look the same out there this season

To an extent there is some regression to the mean. Last year was almost certainly a career year, but he has good enough stuff to win plenty of games. Needs to throw strikes early in the count.

New post up at MLBTraderumors

no mention of a Dero trade

losing BCB game thread = no fun

see you all here for the next night game… I ain’t getting up at 4am tomorrow.. lol

Have a good one
you too..

what’s left of it.. :)

Alright.

I’m out. We’ll get ’em tomorrow.

peace out D
Hope that Max got a coupla hits today
Evening all, tomorrow is another chance!
Let's get them tomorrow, and take the series in their park!
We'll win tomorrow. Z is going to keep pitching well
And get a homer!
Tomorrow is another day gang

Let’s get em then… Later

keep the seat chill young stunnas
I have a fun new Cubs/Sox "W" sign that'll have to wait

off to our favorite Mexican restaurant. Arriba!!

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