I moved to CO about a year ago, and, though it pains me to say this, I’m starting to look forward to their games. They actually provide some relief after this bullshit.
Someone explain to me how that is a horribly wrong conclusion. Cubs are not a good ballclub in 2009. Simple as that. In fact, the chances are decent that Pittsburgh will finish the season ahead of the Cubs.
team plays like it did last year, Lou can be evasive about the Soriano in the Leadoff question. But you’re right – this team blows, and it isn’t helping that our leadoff hitter has an OBP below .300. Lou should have to answer for that.
With any other manager, people would question whether he belongs in baseball at all.
I dont care how bad Soriano hits anywhere else in the lineup..he should not be hitting leadoff..put him at 6 and let him cry the rest of the season..it will do good for the team..but Lou cares nothing about that..WOW
he’s stuck in a rut with a lineup Hendry built at his demand and there is next to nothing he can do about it. They’re not going to bench Suckiano, no matter what.
would move a guy hitting that crappy down in the lineup. I think Fonzie has pix of Lou with a goat or something. It is the only reason I can think of for his continued leading off.
I am tired of waiting for other teams to lose so that I can at least enjoy the rest of my evening. If all of you hated 4th place, 5th is knocking on the door. If this score holds up and Houston wins, we become the next to last team in this division.
and I am really glad that I am not going to watch Cubs baseball (Is that what they are playing?) during this time. I am just happy that I am getting away from this stink. This is beyond ridiculous and someone has to be held accountable.
Take 3-4 games off…look at the box in the morning if you must…but don’t watch the games. Then you come back refreshed and normally the win more than lose when you don’t watch.
I’ve tried it many times over the last two seasons.
WARNING: This doesn’t work for the last 3-4 games of the season. Cubs are 0-6 after this.
samardzija was going to be called up. his stats at iowa were pretty darn good. iam excited, but does this change heilman’s staus at all? send heilman down to iowa and let him start. that is my opinion, fwiiw…
Just wanted to remind you that it is nice to have a roof over my head, and full stomach, and that life doesn’t suck as much as the Cubs lead to believe it does.
…there’s only so much you can blame the manager for. If you want to blame him for not forcing Soriano out of the leadoff spot, that’s fair game. The problem is not Soriano alone. What can he possibly do? Hendry brought in a new hitting coach and that hasn’t solved the problems either. The problem isn’t the management. It’s a problem with the players themselves. They have no one but themselves to blame for being a team that can’t play above .500 consistently. I honestly think the Cubs would be doing even worse if not for Lou Piniella and it takes a lot for me to admit that.
People loved him when the team won back to back division titles.
Here goes:
1) Who do you put at #2? Honestly answer that question for me.
2) Aramis Ramirez is on the DL, so the infield has been in shambles. Is it Mike Fontenot’s fault that in his first season as a starter that he has to learn a new position? Granted, he could have done better, but the organization made a judgment call on starting Mike Fontenot.
3) I’d rather not play Milton at all, but they’re paying him too much money to sit.
once I actually saw him manage. I liked that for a couple of years his players seemed to play for him (until the playoffs) but I’ve never been impressed with his in game managing.
1) Theriot
2) No, it’s not Fontenot’s fault that he isn’t very good, and Lou and Jim decided to hand him a job he didn’t earn, it was Jim and LOU’S which is the point of this discussion. Lou’s bad decision to keep him in the starting lineup.
Oh, and for those of you that were waiting for everyone else to lose. The Brewers are rocking the crap out of Johan. The end of this season could be the 4th of July.
Anyhow, this team is not good man. The slump is over, the talent is just not there. Honestly, since you seem to be one of few level headed people on here, when do the Cubs try and unload whatever they can? Seriously. 5 games out, 7 games out? We will most likely be 4.5 out after tonight, so when?
Who in this lineup bats leadoff? Who bats third now? Give me a lineup that can hit with runners in scoring position and I’ll tell you that no one on this team can do it no matter what lineup card you turn in.
Again. Give me a lineup with some logic behind it.
You can say someone needs to move in the lineup, but you need to think this out. Here’s a blank lineup card (except for pitcher). Fill it in and do it without knee jerk reactions.
And why not bat Theriot leadoff? He’s one of the better hitters on the team and he’s not necessarily an RBI guy. I would not bat Bradley in the heart of the order either. If anything, I’d move Soto down to where you have Bradley.
I’m going to go with a guy who has proved he can hit major league pitching over a long period. I want a little more experience in the leadoff spot. You can put Fuld second or even Bradley, which is not as odd as it sounds when you consider he seems to prefer taking walks. Fuld isn’t a bad choice, but if you want to move Bradley up, that’s the way to do it.
What evidence do you have that Fuld is actually better
This isn’t about getting rid of a guy you don’t like and just replacing him with someone else. You have to have some indication that he’d actually do a better job. He was .000/.333/.000 in his 14 MLB at-bats.
Alan Trammell can play better than Soriano. look below, Soriano has really proven himself right. He’s had a really great stretch since Ram got injured. Yeah, let’s stick with mediocre players that can’t field for shit. Let’s stick with players that strike out when you need a big hit from them. Yeah, I can’t wait until he strikes out with a runner on third and less than 2 outs. YEAH!
considering Soriano is hitting a robust .204 since Ram’s injury. Makes you optimistic, right. Along with that average, he has 15 rbis and 5 hrs. IN 43 Games, that makes me really excited !!!!!!
There are two guys consistently playing subpar. It doesn’t matter who takes their place; if the replacement goes 0 fer what have you lost? And if Soriano is “hurt” you give him a few games to heal.
should take Sullivan’s logic one step further and put Bradley, Soriano, Fukudome, Zambrano, Fontenot, Miles, and Soto on waivers. See if anyone bites. Itmight be a kick in the ass to see that no one wants them.
does not mean you drop them. It means if someone bites on them, you can trade them to that team. At least that is my understanding. If Im wrong, I apologize, but it is not cutting them.
You can't just start putting your star players on waivers
Let’s wait for Aramis Ramirez to come back and see if we need to make a trade after that. If we can’t make it, we’ll sell. If we’ve got a shot, we’ve got to be buyers.
i appreciate your optimism but I know you are dying to join the dark side and call a spade a spade. Not every season is going to end up with a division winner. This one is headed South fast. Regroup and hopefully by next year we will have a functional team.
But I am also a level headed person. I can understand everyone’s frustration who is on said “dark side”. I feel it too. If anyone doubts that I ache and hurt and get pissed off when this team does poorly, then they are sorely mistaken.
I was never as high like most around here last year, and I won’t get low and make unrealistic claims or proclaim the season over when we are not even close to being mathematically eliminated nor are we even 6 games back. Not too mention we have an EASIER schedule the second half of the season.
I agree our team is a mess. I agree we blow hardcore right now. I agree its embarrassing that our $150 million+ payroll ballclub plays like a bunch of unmotivated, lazy superstars.
Ill agree to disagree with you. I think this season is very close to being lost. I also feel the next couple of years could be really ugly. But only time will tell.
IIRC the 2003 cubs were a lot farther behind before the ASB and the 2006 cardinals werent that good having 2 8 game losing streaks and a 7 game losing streak either but still managed to win the world series
If you don’t make it, you can shake things up in the offseason. You’re losing Rich Harden to free agency. The sale should be done by then. You’ll have an easier time making what I’d say would be the great changes. I don’t think a lot of what’s wrong with this team can be fixed by July 31. There’s no reason to go on full fire sale mode because this season is not done yet.
I dont believe we could trade most of these guys. The point would be to send a message. This performance is unacceptable. Would it work. Maybe not, but it would not necessarily mean a fire sale.
Further, if you coud get out from under some of those contracts, that would be well worth suffering a rough fate this season. Imagine what a new GM could do without Fuku’s 12 million annual or Soriano’s 20 million, or Zambrano’s 15 or Bradleys 10
Zambrano looks to be having more of an off year to me than anything else. I’d say the same with Soriano even though I’m a bit suspicious about decline. I’m sold on Fukudome not being worth his salary, but that contract is too large to deal right now.
I dont think anyone wants these guys, thats why Im willing to throw them on waivers. If someone does want them, however, then trading them would be the right thing to do.
My point of using waivers, which is the same as Sullivan;s, is that there is a message there. If someone is so supid as to bite on the deal, then even better.
Worst case scenario though, this season, the last as The Trib’s team, will just epitomize what’s is wrong with this organization, and radical changes will be made once the new ownership gets in with a winning attitude.
Hendry has made some great deals in the past, but this year, this team, unless things turn around, is a fireable offense
LaRussa leaving the Cardinals, and the Cardinals inability to field a competitive team, coupled with poor attendance figures for the next two year because of said poor play, it is definitely a possibility
there aren’t going to be any changes to the roster until Ramirez has been back a few weeks. Coincidentally, that’s right about at the trading deadline. Once this team’s had ARam in the lineup again for a while — even if he doesn’t hit .350 — Lou and Hendry can make a call.
We’ve essentially been playing without our RBI guy for about two months now. It’s actually amazing that this team hasn’t gone completely in the cellar without him.
if he hits .270 I’ll be relatively happy. But you’re saying his production won’t matter, then saying that the team needs to see that a pitcher is in trouble with him at the plate.
The only way the pitcher is in trouble is if he’s hitting, and hitting well
and there's that winning strawman/hyperbole argument you love so much
You seriously crack me up. Getting ARAM back will magically make everyone else better. But when someone says getting Derosa might have made the offense better, it’s so ridiculous, that it’s like calling him Lou Gehrig.
I was skeptical of the trade to the Indians when it happened, it definitely damaged our fielding depth. But unil last year DeRo was a pretty average hitter. And last year was a career year. I feel Hendry rolled the dice, gambing that he would not get comparable numbers this year out of DeRo.
“The Cubs roster is filled with competent hitters” is it? Odd, I could have sworn we have one of the worst offenses in the NL, and THE worst with RISP. That doesn’t scream competence to me.
This is disgusting
We should sweep this team. I spit on the Cubs. Ptooey!
Worf - June 30, 2009
Ew.
Worf-spit.
Clutch16 - June 30, 2009
Young FO9
End 7, 3-0 Pirates
Clutch16 - June 30, 2009
8-9-1 due up for the Cubs
Bill Potter - June 30, 2009
more like
8-9-10
Ryanocm1 - June 30, 2009
Ugly picture of Lou.
zevkalman - June 30, 2009
Why do we keep pitching the Sanchez
with a base open. Delwyn Young is not good. Hindsight I guess.
Ryanocm1 - June 30, 2009
Rockies
Ok, I’m going to have to seriously consider following them this year cause the Cubs are making me dizzy and ill.
propheteer - June 30, 2009
I have been watching them a lot this year.
They are a lot of fun
louslovechild - June 30, 2009
Great young pitching
finally developing.
propheteer - June 30, 2009
I agree
I moved to CO about a year ago, and, though it pains me to say this, I’m starting to look forward to their games. They actually provide some relief after this bullshit.
duboisdm - June 30, 2009
Where do you live?
I’m down in Littleton.
propheteer - June 30, 2009
Just moved
to Longmont. My wife and I just bought a house here. Lived in Westminster before that.
duboisdm - June 30, 2009
Are you going
to attend any of the Cubs games at Coors in August?
duboisdm - June 30, 2009
Nice
Yep, I got club tickets to the Sunday game so far. You?
propheteer - June 30, 2009
Yeah
I was able to get something for every game. I’m starting to wonder if that was a mistake…
duboisdm - June 30, 2009
I know
that’s why I’ve held out, but I’ll most likely make it to two games at least.
propheteer - June 30, 2009
I've started watching Rangers games on the side since I get Fox Sports Southwest
Pre - June 30, 2009
I could actually
root for the Pirates if the Cubs are out of it.
I hate the Cards and the Brewers. And, they have been the doormat for years and years…
The E-Man - June 30, 2009
I actually like Pittsburgh.
zevkalman - June 30, 2009
okay, I've got to head to work..
stay off those ledges, people.. or at least don’t walk under them without a very sturdy umbrella..
CubFanInCanberra (9387milesfromWrigley) - June 30, 2009
There has to be a mountain for a ledge to exist!
This team is still at basecamp.
propheteer - June 30, 2009
have a good day, maybe well get something out of this!
CubfaninRaleigh(869milestoWrigley) - June 30, 2009
Cubs brandishing the spectacular offense once again, I see.
BleedsbluinMI - June 30, 2009
Positive thoughts.. postitive thoughts..
This is the inning.
DisCUBbobulated - June 30, 2009
postive thoughts lets see
we are not playing a double header tonight
MandMexpress12 - June 30, 2009
Big Z hasn't injured himself pinch hitting
Danwood - June 30, 2009
Bradley is not
playing…Bradley is not playing…
The E-Man - June 30, 2009
yes he is!
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
days like this I miss Drew..
a real dearth of positive thoughts around here..
CubFanInCanberra (9387milesfromWrigley) - June 30, 2009
John Grabow in to pitch for the Pirates
Clutch16 - June 30, 2009
You guys bring it on home
My belly growls and I’m gonna go commit suicide at Wendy’s or something like that. Clutch16, zev, Craig, heinie, tony, Worf, Trey, have a good night.
chilango2 - June 30, 2009
Have a good one
And a Baconator
Clutch16 - June 30, 2009
Mmmm
bacon…
Hilary Lee - June 30, 2009
Kapla!
Worf - June 30, 2009
I feel left out
BleedsbluinMI - June 30, 2009
spicy chicken sounds good.
enjoy your night.
Bill Potter - June 30, 2009
Theriot swinging for the fences
down by three.
Ryanocm1 - June 30, 2009
Riot singles up the RF line
Lead-off hit, who knew?
Clutch16 - June 30, 2009
Cubs aren't much better than the Pirates
Someone explain to me how that is a horribly wrong conclusion. Cubs are not a good ballclub in 2009. Simple as that. In fact, the chances are decent that Pittsburgh will finish the season ahead of the Cubs.
BLou - June 30, 2009
I really, really don't think that will be the case, chances are not decent. Take a deep breath.
BleedsbluinMI - June 30, 2009
This is quite accurate
if u look at the standings…
The E-Man - June 30, 2009
Time for Milton to fail...
kanderber - June 30, 2009
I was
wrong. Positive thinking did not work.
The E-Man - June 30, 2009
Welp.. that would have scored soto..
DisCUBbobulated - June 30, 2009
Riot singles
MB in to pinch hit. Do something, please.
Chris Dobbertean - June 30, 2009
Will the brownie leader who left her troop at Wrigley Field
please pick them up? They’re leading the Cubs 4-0.
Tonight it just doesn’t look like they can beat anyone.
ChipSet - June 30, 2009
Here we go!
BleedsbluinMI - June 30, 2009
YES!
Ryanocm1 - June 30, 2009
Could Riot
have scored on that?
Hilary Lee - June 30, 2009
Soto could of
That dude has wheels
Danwood - June 30, 2009
Bradley pinch-hits
Into an E6. Runners at 2nd and 3rd, no outs
Clutch16 - June 30, 2009
Woo hooo!!!!
DisCUBbobulated - June 30, 2009
OK...that was lucky.
But I’ll take it.
2nd and 3rd no outs. No do something with it!
Chris Dobbertean - June 30, 2009
Or not
Hilary Lee - June 30, 2009
That one's on Sanchez...
he’s gotta catch that.
kanderber - June 30, 2009
got to get both runs
at least
Ryanocm1 - June 30, 2009
Good thing
our best player is up,…
tomas21 - June 30, 2009
out best clutch hitter!
VegasCubFan - June 30, 2009
anyone surprised by that?
VegasCubFan - June 30, 2009
Now would be a great time...
for Soriano to get out of this slump.
Ah, who am I kidding?
Chris Dobbertean - June 30, 2009
Maybe he can hit into a 2 base error ?
Doggie Stalker - June 30, 2009
Anyone else
see the Z comment that if 57% of Cubs fans want him released they should trade him to Boston?
tomas21 - June 30, 2009
Z
Boston doesnt want you.
Ryanocm1 - June 30, 2009
Wait... what?
Where was this?
kanderber - June 30, 2009
It wasn't
57% of Cubs fans. I imagine a lot of White Sux fans voted in that.
Chris Dobbertean - June 30, 2009
there's that maturity
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
Why
the fuck was that article even written. He knew it would make a big deal in Chicago, and that Z would hear about it. What a tool.
duboisdm - June 30, 2009
He hates Carlos Zambrano
Pre - June 30, 2009
Predictions?
Pre - June 30, 2009
pain
ElHijoDelRonSanto - June 30, 2009
He is SOOOOOOOOO garbage
tomas21 - June 30, 2009
Nice cut
jackass
ElHijoDelRonSanto - June 30, 2009
Sori Ks
2nd and 3rd, 1 out
Clutch16 - June 30, 2009
Soriano..you are just plain TRASH
cubbiepride - June 30, 2009
Soriano continues to KILL this team.
kanderber - June 30, 2009
That was like an AL pitcher swing.
tomas21 - June 30, 2009
-sigh -
SIX MORE YEARS!
Screw you HEndry!
The E-Man - June 30, 2009
Cmon Kosuke
cubbiepride - June 30, 2009
$136 million spent on a bust
Worst contract in baseball.
BLou - June 30, 2009
It's up there
but I might take him over Zito
tomas21 - June 30, 2009
Wow
good lineup construction Pineilla.
Ryanocm1 - June 30, 2009
What's he suppposed to do?
BLou - June 30, 2009
we should all change our signature to yours.
VegasCubFan - June 30, 2009
not bat a guy who's hitting .170 this month in the two hole for starters
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
here comes another strike out
MandMexpress12 - June 30, 2009
Ron is speechless
VegasCubFan - June 30, 2009
So am I
CubsBullsBears - June 30, 2009
Is Ronnie
still conscious?
Hilary Lee - June 30, 2009
WTF Kosuke?
2nd and 3rd and you’re trying to BUNT?!
And then the piece of shit watches strike three go by.
F this team.
kanderber - June 30, 2009
now Ron is passing out in the booth
VegasCubFan - June 30, 2009
Dome Ks looking
2nd and 3rd, 2 outs
Clutch16 - June 30, 2009
This is ridiculous, k's on 3 pitches!
BleedsbluinMI - June 30, 2009
My Gosh
cubsluver22 - June 30, 2009
would u pitch to lee here?
daily2b - June 30, 2009
Might as well
Clutch16 - June 30, 2009
Pie has tripled and Ronny Cedeno has homered in the same night
and we have no runs because our 1-2 hitters are GARBAGE. This is on you Lou for batting DOME second. Pretty certain this is the nexus of the universe.
BeltwayCubsFan - June 30, 2009
Kosuke actuallyhits the best from second
Pre - June 30, 2009
he doesn't hit good from anywhere once June rolls around
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
Yeah Pie and Ronny are the missing pieces
Cmon
EamuCanoli - June 30, 2009
and batting
Sori 1st. If I hear one more person say he’s a leader when he insists on leading off with a .220 batting average I will scream.
tomas21 - June 30, 2009
Derek.. just a bh would be fine..
We’ve got serious issues at 1 and 2 in the batting order. That’s on Lou.
DisCUBbobulated - June 30, 2009
3-8 are no prize
ElHijoDelRonSanto - June 30, 2009
Good night.
Fuck this team.
tomas21 - June 30, 2009
thank god we have two of our coldest hitters batting 1st and 2nd
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
+1
cubsnlinux - June 30, 2009
When your
team plays like it did last year, Lou can be evasive about the Soriano in the Leadoff question. But you’re right – this team blows, and it isn’t helping that our leadoff hitter has an OBP below .300. Lou should have to answer for that.
With any other manager, people would question whether he belongs in baseball at all.
duboisdm - June 30, 2009
Yeah that would have been great
TWO AT BATS AGO
Hilary Lee - June 30, 2009
2nd, 3rd, no out...
BleedsbluinMI - June 30, 2009
2nd and 3rd, no one out...
top of the order up and not a single god damn run gets in. Unreal.
kanderber - June 30, 2009
Pirates Broadcast
Their advertising and auction is the most annoying thing in the world.
cubsluver22 - June 30, 2009
Wow...
That was just brutal.
CubsBullsBears - June 30, 2009
Unreal
horrible, horrible at bats
chitownhawkeye - June 30, 2009
No, I take that back
it’s completely believable
chitownhawkeye - June 30, 2009
DLee 4-3
Mid 8, 3-0 Pirates
Cubs 0-3 with RISP in that inning.
Clutch16 - June 30, 2009
That's $184 million worth of outfielder failure in two at bats
BLou - June 30, 2009
i agree with you BLOU
just awful financial decisions by JH when he should have passed or at very least gotten guys for far less money and years
MandMexpress12 - June 30, 2009
UGH
2nd & 3rd, no outs, top of the order. This team is impossible to watch tonight.
ChipSet - June 30, 2009
I SPIT ON THE CUBS!
Worf - June 30, 2009
More Worf-spit
They must be drowning
Clutch16 - June 30, 2009
And DFA Z
BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness - June 30, 2009
Bed Wetting
BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness - June 30, 2009
can this team just fold up shop and clean house
they are wasting everyone’s time.
BeltwayCubsFan - June 30, 2009
I mentioned this in the previous post
Everyone shot it down. Teams would want Lilly, Z, Lee, Marmol, Heilman. We could stock up on prospects and expiring contracts.
louslovechild - June 30, 2009
Cubs Fans please note:
BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness - June 30, 2009
Who is, though?
Clutch16 - June 30, 2009
theres always next year
bheidge - June 30, 2009
gahhh!!!!
VegasCubFan - June 30, 2009
When all these guys are a year older.
mattvegas - June 30, 2009
Well, if the team can't bother to show up, neither can I. Good night everyone, I hope we pull this one out.
BleedsbluinMI - June 30, 2009
that inning is on Lou
he can keep batting soriano and Dome 1-2 until it costs him his job – which my guess will happen by the all star break.
BeltwayCubsFan - June 30, 2009
firing Lou isn't going to fix this mess
VegasCubFan - June 30, 2009
accountability
can’t fire soriano
BeltwayCubsFan - June 30, 2009
No, but at some point you can sit him.
not let him talk his way into playing
chitownhawkeye - June 30, 2009
I'm usually optimistic...
But c’mon, they were GIVING us a run.
CubsBullsBears - June 30, 2009
I've never done this before
but I’m about to jump off the nearest ledge soon!!!
cubsluver22 - June 30, 2009
Now if only they put in Fuld to pinch hit for Soriano
At least he might have managed TO MAKE CONTACT. Ok just kidding.
Doggie Stalker - June 30, 2009
136 million reasons why Stinkiano stays in the lineup
VegasCubFan - June 30, 2009
Bradley stays in to play CF
Clutch16 - June 30, 2009
CENTERFIELD?
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
Gameday confirms
Clutch16 - June 30, 2009
Can he be any worse than Fukudome?
Danwood - June 30, 2009
i think fukudomes good in center
guess thats just me
jesus christos - June 30, 2009
no I'm with you, but we cannnot win on defense alone
VegasCubFan - June 30, 2009
we can lose on bad defense
should have put MIlton in Left or right. Center is simply to easy a spot for Milton to screw up royally
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
Fuku is great in center
Pre - June 30, 2009
fuk u too
its dome bud
bheidge - June 30, 2009
defensively he is solid
bheidge - June 30, 2009
Defense, and Fukudome's horrible swing
Don’t score runs
Danwood - June 30, 2009
He's
a fine defensive centerfielder. Maybe above average.
duboisdm - June 30, 2009
defensively? Yes
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
Shark on the mound
Clutch16 - June 30, 2009
Here comes another bad investment
ElHijoDelRonSanto - June 30, 2009
Yep
Spellcheck is insanely overrated.
BLou - June 30, 2009
he did well last year.....
bheidge - June 30, 2009
This isn't last year
cubsluver22 - June 30, 2009
hes young
bheidge - June 30, 2009
He sure looked overrated pitching essential innings down the stretch last year
Pre - June 30, 2009
Baseball's most expensive and least productive outfield
BLou - June 30, 2009
You're going to have to change your sig soon if this keeps up!
propheteer - June 30, 2009
shark on
game officially over
MandMexpress12 - June 30, 2009
stranger things have happened
i’m gonna hang in there
daily2b - June 30, 2009
Here comes Shark
Pre - June 30, 2009
Bleep this bleeping team
Good night.
Worf - June 30, 2009
Soriano and Fukudome..1,2 in the lineup..wow
I dont care how bad Soriano hits anywhere else in the lineup..he should not be hitting leadoff..put him at 6 and let him cry the rest of the season..it will do good for the team..but Lou cares nothing about that..WOW
cubbiepride - June 30, 2009
I'm with you..
The Soriano can only hit leadoff argument was always dumb – but now it has no basis at all.
DisCUBbobulated - June 30, 2009
Yeah thats the irony
before we were always worried that if we moved him out of leadoff he wouldn’t hit. But… he isn’t hitting now. How could it be worse?
Hilary Lee - June 30, 2009
Adam LaRoche FO7 H
Clutch16 - June 30, 2009
If the Pirates spent more on payroll
They wouldn’t have to spend so much on this annoying advertising every 10 seconds
cubsluver22 - June 30, 2009
2 QUICK outs for Spellcheck
cubbiepride - June 30, 2009
Andy LaRoche 6-3
Clutch16 - June 30, 2009
This is all
too predictable. Soriano begins 0-2 and K’s on outside pitch. Fukudome starts 0-2 and takes a strike. Lou can’t read the stat sheet.
tharr - June 30, 2009
and trying to freaking bunt
cubsluver22 - June 30, 2009
What would be the better options at this point?
louslovechild - June 30, 2009
Man I don't know
cubsluver22 - June 30, 2009
It is horrible no matter how you paint it
There are too many automatic outs on this team right now. Fonty, Freel, Sori, Fuke, Hoff (as of late), Keep going
louslovechild - June 30, 2009
Lead off with Bradley?
(ducks)
Clutch16 - June 30, 2009
me
willie mays hayes' gloves - June 30, 2009
Lead off
with Theriot, to start.
duboisdm - June 30, 2009
not batting Dome 2nd is simply common sense
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
Both
Sori and Fuku are below .200 vs LHP. If we don’t have someone better than that for late innings, we’re doomed to failure.
tharr - June 30, 2009
I don't
think Lou gives a shit about stats. He cares about the egos of his highest paid players and martinis.
duboisdm - June 30, 2009
+1
propheteer - June 30, 2009
I disagree
he’s stuck in a rut with a lineup Hendry built at his demand and there is next to nothing he can do about it. They’re not going to bench Suckiano, no matter what.
VegasCubFan - June 30, 2009
I don't
want Soriano benched. I want him and his fucking sub-.300 OBP out of the leadoff spot.
duboisdm - June 30, 2009
logically, one would think any manager
would move a guy hitting that crappy down in the lineup. I think Fonzie has pix of Lou with a goat or something. It is the only reason I can think of for his continued leading off.
VegasCubFan - June 30, 2009
LOL.
zevkalman - June 30, 2009
that or
he can make a hell of a martini.
duboisdm - June 30, 2009
Moss singles to LF
Clutch16 - June 30, 2009
triple a
team beating our brains out
cubsluver22 - June 30, 2009
That's not fair
They’re really more of a AAAA team
Clutch16 - June 30, 2009
lol
cubsluver22 - June 30, 2009
I saw the Indy Indians on Sat.
They might be better than the ML team on the whole…
EamuCanoli - June 30, 2009
Oklahoma Redhawks
certainly are
cubsluver22 - June 30, 2009
not now.
nearly 50 percent of their offense is in Pittsburgh now.
Bill Potter - June 30, 2009
you should check out our team
we have quite a few AAA quality players ourselves
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
some being paid multi millions
cubsluver22 - June 30, 2009
We really need the Giants and the Mets to win.
The Cubs can’t afford to get anymore games back.
Cubbiegoon - June 30, 2009
Enough of that crap. Do we expect them to lose every game?
willie mays hayes' gloves - June 30, 2009
no we just expect
to win a few every now in again
cubsluver22 - June 30, 2009
+1
I am tired of waiting for other teams to lose so that I can at least enjoy the rest of my evening. If all of you hated 4th place, 5th is knocking on the door. If this score holds up and Houston wins, we become the next to last team in this division.
louslovechild - June 30, 2009
and we lost to the last place team
VegasCubFan - June 30, 2009
Do u think that's going to matter anyways?
propheteer - June 30, 2009
I am going on a vacation for 5 days tomorrow
and I am really glad that I am not going to watch Cubs baseball (Is that what they are playing?) during this time. I am just happy that I am getting away from this stink. This is beyond ridiculous and someone has to be held accountable.
cubsnlinux - June 30, 2009
As my first ever post...
… I would really appreciate a rally in the 9th.
Weerez - June 30, 2009
No offsense, but go to a Bandits game
At least they score runs!
Danwood - June 30, 2009
can you feel it??
Weerez - June 30, 2009
comin right up...
daily2b - June 30, 2009
get in line rookie
MandMexpress12 - June 30, 2009
LOLZ re lou pic above
“stands in the dugout during a baseball game”
!!!!
great description of his managerial style
joeschmitt - June 30, 2009
At least he looks awake
Sorta
Clutch16 - June 30, 2009
With that fuzz on his face he looks like an ostrich.
willie mays hayes' gloves - June 30, 2009
i think Fuld woulda gotten at least a run in
kosuke is just a major bust in the states. time to give up on this experiment
lexmarklover - June 30, 2009
based on what?
Fuld is not a major league hitter. Just because he’s new doesn’t mean he’s good
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
I think he would have at least made contact with the ball to score a run.
Otherwise, I agree with you.
zevkalman - June 30, 2009
Fuld has stuck out 3 times in 6 at-bats in his major league career
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
What a huge sample size
Pre - June 30, 2009
the point being
he has struck out plenty, in a short period of time, so there’s very little proof Fuld would have made any contact at all
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
i'm basing that on the fact that
Fuld makes more contact than fukudome.
lexmarklover - June 30, 2009
in the majors?
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
yes.
lexmarklover - June 30, 2009
he's struck out in 50% of his Major League at-bats
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
that was 3 years ago....
lexmarklover - June 30, 2009
it was two, and you really think he'll be better at making contact
after not having seen major league pitching for a few years?
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
He's had 6 of them
That’s a meaningless stat
Pre - June 30, 2009
unless you're going to claim he's a better bet to make contact
based on absolutely nothing.
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
Try the Cubs-induced coma
Take 3-4 games off…look at the box in the morning if you must…but don’t watch the games. Then you come back refreshed and normally the win more than lose when you don’t watch.
I’ve tried it many times over the last two seasons.
WARNING: This doesn’t work for the last 3-4 games of the season. Cubs are 0-6 after this.
EamuCanoli - June 30, 2009
That's a really good suggestion, actually
I’m off on vacation next week and plan to stay far away from TV, radio, etc.
Not Bruce Froemming - June 30, 2009
Diaz 5-4
End 8, 3-0 Pirates
Clutch16 - June 30, 2009
Well at least
Fox is doing a hell of a job at third.
jajonez77 - June 30, 2009
+1
zevkalman - June 30, 2009
+5
Weerez - June 30, 2009
Nice play by Fox at 3rd. 3 outs. Going into the 9th....
zevkalman - June 30, 2009
now if he could just get on base to start the 9th...
Bill Potter - June 30, 2009
This team is just boring.
There is nothing interesting about them. If they can’t score by getting hits, they don’t score. They don’t try anything else. This is just dull.
mattvegas - June 30, 2009
do any teams score runs without getting hits consistently?
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
Good defense leading to good offense?
Fox, Hoff, Geo up to bat next
Clutch16 - June 30, 2009
Geo is doing good tonight
Base running aside… just get the first two on.
Danwood - June 30, 2009
Matt Capps in to finish it off
17/19 in Save Opportunities this year
Clutch16 - June 30, 2009
i had a gut feeling
samardzija was going to be called up. his stats at iowa were pretty darn good. iam excited, but does this change heilman’s staus at all? send heilman down to iowa and let him start. that is my opinion, fwiiw…
brian custer - June 30, 2009
all due respect
but it doesn’t take nostradamus to predict that a prospect Hendry has a hardon for will be called up at some point
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
Giants have 9 hits on Carpenter in 5 innings.
Wonder if he’s hurt. he usually is pretty unhittable.
DisCUBbobulated - June 30, 2009
Out of the 90 players
taken in rounds 3-5 of the 2006 draft. Only 3 have reached the majors, Chris Davis, Joe Smith and Jeff Samardzija
bheidge - June 30, 2009
Fox 6-3
Clutch16 - June 30, 2009
Ding Dong
The Cubs are dead!!
cubsluver22 - June 30, 2009
We can try this
Hoff Power:
BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness - June 30, 2009
Damnit!
BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness - June 30, 2009
I like that sooooo much.
zevkalman - June 30, 2009
Romo is dating...
a fat chick! Tony Homo!!
EamuCanoli - June 30, 2009
this would be the 8th shutout of the season
according to Ron.
VegasCubFan - June 30, 2009
Wow, I'm clearly behind the times.
When was the Shark called up?
Vermont Cubs Fan - June 30, 2009
today
ascanio sent down
jesus christos - June 30, 2009
This morning
cubsluver22 - June 30, 2009
No wonder.
I hadn’t heard of this move.
Vermont Cubs Fan - June 30, 2009
the shark is pitching now
i am on game tracker and light years behind. where is heilman?
brian custer - June 30, 2009
well this is embarrassing
jesus christos - June 30, 2009
wow. that was quick.
lexmarklover - June 30, 2009
twss.
zevkalman - June 30, 2009
Hoff FO6
Clutch16 - June 30, 2009
Things aren't lookin up
to say the least…
Weerez - June 30, 2009
twhs
zevkalman - June 30, 2009
HELLO 5TH PLACE!!!
louslovechild - June 30, 2009
Cubs shutout by Ohlendork and the Pirates..cya later guys and girls
cubbiepride - June 30, 2009
Battling with Pittsburgh and Houston for the cellar of the NL Central in 2009
BLou - June 30, 2009
With a $136M payroll. Amazing it is.
willie mays hayes' gloves - June 30, 2009
Heads will roll
Hendry’s gone if things don’t get turned around. There’s no excuse for a team with that large of a payroll to play this poorly.
Ace Venom - June 30, 2009
just read this in the cbssports glog
’The CUBS should bat their Pitcher Leadoff- That would really piss Soriano off. Maybe he would just QUIT"
what do you guys think
jesus christos - June 30, 2009
Everyone who wants Lou fired
Would have their wish granted
Danwood - June 30, 2009
bb
daily2b - June 30, 2009
Geo BB
Bloop and a blast, anyone?
Clutch16 - June 30, 2009
oh yeah. theriot would be that man.
lexmarklover - June 30, 2009
Two runs or more, in any way, is fine with me.
Vermont Cubs Fan - June 30, 2009
Theriot
would be the one to do it, he has shown more power than most of the team
bheidge - June 30, 2009
The question is,
how long will we play like this before management makes some changes? Aren’t there players we can trade for to end our lackluster effort?
Vermont Cubs Fan - June 30, 2009
we have lots of exciting things
happening on the farm. we are going to be a-ok. it won’t take much to get a wild-card
brian custer - June 30, 2009
RALLY TIME!!
Weerez - June 30, 2009
Cubs Lose Cubs Lose Cubs Lose
I breathe in, I breathe out, I breathe in, I breathe out …..1234……123456…..123456789….10!
cubsluver22 - June 30, 2009
At least
JDRF got some cash by that walk – cause it ain’t going to do much else.
duboisdm - June 30, 2009
UGH LEE
VegasCubFan - June 30, 2009
Beethoven FO7
Game over.
Clutch16 - June 30, 2009
Cubs Lose Cubs Lose Cubs Lose
cubsluver22 - June 30, 2009
bummer
back to paint fumes
daily2b - June 30, 2009
See you all tomorrow..
DisCUBbobulated - June 30, 2009
Let's
Go Rockies!!!
duboisdm - June 30, 2009
Hello, All
Just wanted to remind you that it is nice to have a roof over my head, and full stomach, and that life doesn’t suck as much as the Cubs lead to believe it does.
Get ’em tomorrow, boys!
#GagMeWithGDbbqTongs
Reddevil - June 30, 2009
It's like the 90's all over again!
Pre - June 30, 2009
AAUGH!!!!
But if we win tomorrow, we win the series.
We’ll get ’em tomorrow.
Vermont Cubs Fan - June 30, 2009
is it over?
brian custer - June 30, 2009
no ted lilly hit a grand slam
jesus christos - June 30, 2009
Unfortunately, yes.
Vermont Cubs Fan - June 30, 2009
that
sucks. don’t blame our pitchers. they are the best in mlb
brian custer - June 30, 2009
You'll get no argument from me about that.
I just wish we could find some bats to get them more run support.
Vermont Cubs Fan - June 30, 2009
imagine where the cubs would be without our SP
jesus christos - June 30, 2009
Cellar
Which is where they’re headed anyway.
Ace Venom - June 30, 2009
what a pathetic bunch
bheidge - June 30, 2009
Us or the team
louslovechild - June 30, 2009
Yes.
mattvegas - June 30, 2009
I'll take two out of three
I think Wells is pitching game 3.
Cubbiegoon - June 30, 2009
Yes, per probable pitchers on the Cubs' website.
Randy Wells against Virgil Vasquez.
Vermont Cubs Fan - June 30, 2009
a pitcher we haven't seen?
back to back shutouts on the horizon?
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
Ross Ohlendorf ..... 4.75 era ..... 0 runs
lexmarklover - June 30, 2009
This team
May force Lou to retire a year early.
Ace Venom - June 30, 2009
please god make it so
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
I don't like Lou, but...
…there’s only so much you can blame the manager for. If you want to blame him for not forcing Soriano out of the leadoff spot, that’s fair game. The problem is not Soriano alone. What can he possibly do? Hendry brought in a new hitting coach and that hasn’t solved the problems either. The problem isn’t the management. It’s a problem with the players themselves. They have no one but themselves to blame for being a team that can’t play above .500 consistently. I honestly think the Cubs would be doing even worse if not for Lou Piniella and it takes a lot for me to admit that.
Ace Venom - June 30, 2009
Lou is a below average in game manager
and his decisions this year have been beyond bad an awful lot.
Who the hell bats a guy who’s been hitting .170 this month at #2?
Why is Mike Fontenot still a starting player?
Why announce that Milton is going to get a few days off, then use him as a pinch hitter?
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
Short bench
People loved him when the team won back to back division titles.
Here goes:
1) Who do you put at #2? Honestly answer that question for me.
2) Aramis Ramirez is on the DL, so the infield has been in shambles. Is it Mike Fontenot’s fault that in his first season as a starter that he has to learn a new position? Granted, he could have done better, but the organization made a judgment call on starting Mike Fontenot.
3) I’d rather not play Milton at all, but they’re paying him too much money to sit.
Ace Venom - June 30, 2009
I never "loved" Lou
once I actually saw him manage. I liked that for a couple of years his players seemed to play for him (until the playoffs) but I’ve never been impressed with his in game managing.
1) Theriot
2) No, it’s not Fontenot’s fault that he isn’t very good, and Lou and Jim decided to hand him a job he didn’t earn, it was Jim and LOU’S which is the point of this discussion. Lou’s bad decision to keep him in the starting lineup.
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
This is a statement game if I have ever seen one.
Oh, and for those of you that were waiting for everyone else to lose. The Brewers are rocking the crap out of Johan. The end of this season could be the 4th of July.
louslovechild - June 30, 2009
Waiting for everyone to lose is not a winning strategy
You have to win your games and take care of your own house. If you can’t win your own games, you’re in trouble.
Ace Venom - June 30, 2009
I hope so
if only to get the whack jobs off this board.
Not Bruce Froemming - June 30, 2009
you're going to leave if the season is over by the 4th?
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
Please
heine41 - June 30, 2009
Whack or wack?
Anyhow, this team is not good man. The slump is over, the talent is just not there. Honestly, since you seem to be one of few level headed people on here, when do the Cubs try and unload whatever they can? Seriously. 5 games out, 7 games out? We will most likely be 4.5 out after tonight, so when?
louslovechild - June 30, 2009
We will play the Brewers and Cardinals first before we even begin selling
I still say we won’t
heine41 - June 30, 2009
I think if they're within 4-5 games
they won’t sell. Seven or eight games, probably. I don’t see it getting that bad, though.
Not Bruce Froemming - June 30, 2009
Against the Brewers for 4 this weekend?
We are not in a good place right now.
louslovechild - June 30, 2009
But those games are at home
and the Cubs have been pretty good at home, hard as it is to believe.
I’m not going to flush this season down the toilet without a fight.
Not Bruce Froemming - June 30, 2009
here! Here!
Totally agree.
VegasCubFan - June 30, 2009
trying to talk sense to NBF
is a wasted effort
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
Nah
Most of the time what NBF says is true, it is just the same shit we all say minus the need to be overly passionate.
louslovechild - June 30, 2009
most of the time what NBF says are personal attacks
and nothing more
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
only towards the inept
heine41 - June 30, 2009
he launches personal attacks at the players themselves?
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
Good lord
We all do. Without a doubt.
louslovechild - June 30, 2009
I think Webster's
lists either spelling as accurate, BTW. :)
Not Bruce Froemming - June 30, 2009
That was one amazing display. I don't even know what to call it. It certainly
wasn’t anything resembling baseball.
willie mays hayes' gloves - June 30, 2009
this whole season
has resembled the last two weeks of September 2008, when the team didn’t give a crap.
Bill Potter - June 30, 2009
Gotta get tomorrow's game
and 3 of 4 from Milwaukee. 5-2 over this week won’t be bad.
Bill Potter - June 30, 2009
4-3
is almost a pipe dream
bheidge - June 30, 2009
5-2 over this week
is sadly unrealistic
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
I didn't say it'll happen
but if the pitching holds up, they’ll have a chance
Bill Potter - June 30, 2009
I'll be happy..
…if we score five runs in the series and avoid being swept.
The Jade Scorpion - June 30, 2009
from
worst to first in 07, first to worst in 09
bheidge - June 30, 2009
soriano should of sat today's game
he really sucks right now
lexmarklover - June 30, 2009
Sitting Soriano...
…won’t make everyone else better.
Ace Venom - June 30, 2009
it wouldn't but
you would at least have a better chance of scoring runs.
lexmarklover - June 30, 2009
SORIANO
is killing this team. No other way around it. He’s not alone, but I’d say he is the biggest contrbutor.
Ryanocm1 - June 30, 2009
So what's your idea?
Who in this lineup bats leadoff? Who bats third now? Give me a lineup that can hit with runners in scoring position and I’ll tell you that no one on this team can do it no matter what lineup card you turn in.
Ace Venom - June 30, 2009
If all we did was stick to the same lineup
Nobody would ever have a chance to break out
Danwood - June 30, 2009
for 136 million
i do not want to watch the Iowa Cubs play major league baseball.
TJ3117 - June 30, 2009
who says they don't give u a better chance of winning
lexmarklover - June 30, 2009
So you'd rather watch them get shut out by the Pirates?
Or would it be more embarrassing to see a AAA team score 1 run against the pirates and a $136 throwing up a goose egg?
Danwood - June 30, 2009
aren't we already?
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
Again. Give me a lineup with some logic behind it.
You can say someone needs to move in the lineup, but you need to think this out. Here’s a blank lineup card (except for pitcher). Fill it in and do it without knee jerk reactions.
1)
2)
3)
4)
5)
6)
7)
8)
9) Pitcher
Have at it.
Ace Venom - June 30, 2009
1. Fuld LF
2. Theriot SS
3. Lee 1B
4. Fox 3B
5. Bradley RF
6. Soto C
7. Fukdome CF
8. Blanco 2B
9. Pitcher
This isn’t everyday lineup but lou should change it up for a day or two
lexmarklover - June 30, 2009
Any reason why Soriano is not in the lineup?
And why not bat Theriot leadoff? He’s one of the better hitters on the team and he’s not necessarily an RBI guy. I would not bat Bradley in the heart of the order either. If anything, I’d move Soto down to where you have Bradley.
Ace Venom - June 30, 2009
Why not Fuld?
Triple A is triple A but look at his BB/K ratio. Bradley and Soto can interchange, it doesn’t really matter.
lexmarklover - June 30, 2009
Felix Pie was all world in AAA
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
Sam Fuld didn't strike out 124 times in AAA
lexmarklover - June 30, 2009
no he sported a career .260 average in the MINORS
you’re going to have to excuse me if that doesn’t instill any confidence that he will contribute in any way to sparking our offense
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
yeah too bad he had a career average of .287
but yeah
lexmarklover - June 30, 2009
If I'm going leadoff
I’m going to go with a guy who has proved he can hit major league pitching over a long period. I want a little more experience in the leadoff spot. You can put Fuld second or even Bradley, which is not as odd as it sounds when you consider he seems to prefer taking walks. Fuld isn’t a bad choice, but if you want to move Bradley up, that’s the way to do it.
Ace Venom - June 30, 2009
What evidence do you have that Fuld is actually better
This isn’t about getting rid of a guy you don’t like and just replacing him with someone else. You have to have some indication that he’d actually do a better job. He was .000/.333/.000 in his 14 MLB at-bats.
cocknfire - June 30, 2009
he's new! and therefore better!
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
not that he's new
Alan Trammell can play better than Soriano. look below, Soriano has really proven himself right. He’s had a really great stretch since Ram got injured. Yeah, let’s stick with mediocre players that can’t field for shit. Let’s stick with players that strike out when you need a big hit from them. Yeah, I can’t wait until he strikes out with a runner on third and less than 2 outs. YEAH!
lexmarklover - June 30, 2009
i think he's gonna hit better than Soriano
considering Soriano is hitting a robust .204 since Ram’s injury. Makes you optimistic, right. Along with that average, he has 15 rbis and 5 hrs. IN 43 Games, that makes me really excited !!!!!!
lexmarklover - June 30, 2009
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/F/Sam-Fuld.shtml
lexmarklover - June 30, 2009
so sam fuld
is this weeks bobby scales, and jake fox. oh boy. i wonder who will be next?!
TJ3117 - June 30, 2009
We could always reqcquire Corey Patterson
cocknfire - June 30, 2009
1) Gerald Perry
2) Lou Pinella
3) Paul Sullivan
4) Jim Hendry
5) Gordon Twittermeyer
6) Bob Brenly
7) Tom Ricketts
8) Alan Trammell
9) Pitcher
cocknfire - June 30, 2009
Hendry ..... cleaning up!!!!!!!
lexmarklover - June 30, 2009
errrrrr wrong
this isnt RLRLRLRLP
cozmotaylor123 - June 30, 2009
My mistake
I’ll trade away the character guys on there to clear up the error
cocknfire - June 30, 2009
It doesn't matter
Soriano: 0-3
Fukudome: 0-4
There are two guys consistently playing subpar. It doesn’t matter who takes their place; if the replacement goes 0 fer what have you lost? And if Soriano is “hurt” you give him a few games to heal.
Danwood - June 30, 2009
does it even matter?
and what start ryan freel or sam fuld…no thanks
TJ3117 - June 30, 2009
better defense & better at bats ...... i guess it doesn't really matter
lexmarklover - June 30, 2009
Jim Hendry
should take Sullivan’s logic one step further and put Bradley, Soriano, Fukudome, Zambrano, Fontenot, Miles, and Soto on waivers. See if anyone bites. Itmight be a kick in the ass to see that no one wants them.
Ryanocm1 - June 30, 2009
OMZZ!!! lets drop our players that are currently producing the least!!!
FANTASY BASEBAAAAALLLLLL!
heine41 - June 30, 2009
yeah then the cubs should pick up pujols sabathia peavy beckett and tex
jesus christos - June 30, 2009
Putting a guy on Waivers
does not mean you drop them. It means if someone bites on them, you can trade them to that team. At least that is my understanding. If Im wrong, I apologize, but it is not cutting them.
Ryanocm1 - June 30, 2009
yeah, and when noone picks them up, then you have even more clubhouse turmoil
thats the last thing we need
heine41 - June 30, 2009
It is?
I think the last thing we need is to let these guys continue to suck without consequence. I could give a rats ass about the clubhouse.
Ryanocm1 - June 30, 2009
Thank god you are not in no way making decisions for the the direction of this team
heine41 - June 30, 2009
If we keep the status quo
this season is lost. A shakeup is needed. Putting guys on waivers would send a message. If guys dont like it, im not really that concerned.
Ryanocm1 - June 30, 2009
You can't just start putting your star players on waivers
Let’s wait for Aramis Ramirez to come back and see if we need to make a trade after that. If we can’t make it, we’ll sell. If we’ve got a shot, we’ve got to be buyers.
Ace Venom - June 30, 2009
Star players?
Our stars are Lilly, Lee and Theriot and thats about it. And Ramirez. Those guys I listed are not stars.
Ryanocm1 - June 30, 2009
Theriot is not a star player
he’s decent, but he’s no where near a STAR
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
on a real team no
on this team whos better?
Ryanocm1 - June 30, 2009
You want to put one of our better hitters on waivers?
What are we? The Pirates.
Ace Venom - June 30, 2009
No we are worse
unfortunately, with about four times the payroll.
Which of our better players did I want on waivers.
Ryanocm1 - June 30, 2009
when the hell did I say I wanted to put Theriot on waivers?
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
we have no money to be buyers
because our stars are bein paid an absolute fortune.
Ryanocm1 - June 30, 2009
but we DO have money
8-10 million if im not mistaken
heine41 - June 30, 2009
honest question
where are you getting that figure
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
I've read on here that Hendry has $8-10 million in his back pocket
I could be mistaken
heine41 - June 30, 2009
you read on here as in someone randomly said it once
or it was in a post with something to back it up?
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
no dude
hendry just walks around with 10 mil in cash in his back pocket. everyoneeeeeee knows that. duh.
TJ3117 - June 30, 2009
And he'll give you a dollar now, two dollars next year
and the other $9,999,997 when you’re 42
cocknfire - June 30, 2009
this is pretty accurate lol
heine41 - June 30, 2009
thought I read it a couple of times from several different posters
Maybe even Al, but AGAIN I COULD BE WRONG
heine41 - June 30, 2009
HA!
Where did you hear THAT rumor? Here?
I’d bet $50 to Cubs Care that the Cubs will NOT spend that money in a trade acquisition this season with the current ownership.
Any takers??
The E-Man - June 30, 2009
heine41
i appreciate your optimism but I know you are dying to join the dark side and call a spade a spade. Not every season is going to end up with a division winner. This one is headed South fast. Regroup and hopefully by next year we will have a functional team.
BeltwayCubsFan - June 30, 2009
Yes, I am an optimist
But I am also a level headed person. I can understand everyone’s frustration who is on said “dark side”. I feel it too. If anyone doubts that I ache and hurt and get pissed off when this team does poorly, then they are sorely mistaken.
I was never as high like most around here last year, and I won’t get low and make unrealistic claims or proclaim the season over when we are not even close to being mathematically eliminated nor are we even 6 games back. Not too mention we have an EASIER schedule the second half of the season.
I agree our team is a mess. I agree we blow hardcore right now. I agree its embarrassing that our $150 million+ payroll ballclub plays like a bunch of unmotivated, lazy superstars.
But the sky isn’t falling yet, Chicken Little
heine41 - June 30, 2009
I'm no optimist
However, I am a realist. You’ve got to make smart moves and not moves out of desperation.
Ace Venom - June 30, 2009
Those are two levelheaded posts
Ill agree to disagree with you. I think this season is very close to being lost. I also feel the next couple of years could be really ugly. But only time will tell.
I hope you both are right.
Ryanocm1 - June 30, 2009
the cubs are only 4 games behind the brewers
IIRC the 2003 cubs were a lot farther behind before the ASB and the 2006 cardinals werent that good having 2 8 game losing streaks and a 7 game losing streak either but still managed to win the world series
jesus christos - June 30, 2009
Close doesn't mean for sure
If you don’t make it, you can shake things up in the offseason. You’re losing Rich Harden to free agency. The sale should be done by then. You’ll have an easier time making what I’d say would be the great changes. I don’t think a lot of what’s wrong with this team can be fixed by July 31. There’s no reason to go on full fire sale mode because this season is not done yet.
Ace Venom - June 30, 2009
My point is not to start a fire sale
I dont believe we could trade most of these guys. The point would be to send a message. This performance is unacceptable. Would it work. Maybe not, but it would not necessarily mean a fire sale.
Further, if you coud get out from under some of those contracts, that would be well worth suffering a rough fate this season. Imagine what a new GM could do without Fuku’s 12 million annual or Soriano’s 20 million, or Zambrano’s 15 or Bradleys 10
Ryanocm1 - June 30, 2009
What could he do?
Zambrano looks to be having more of an off year to me than anything else. I’d say the same with Soriano even though I’m a bit suspicious about decline. I’m sold on Fukudome not being worth his salary, but that contract is too large to deal right now.
Ace Venom - June 30, 2009
and who do we get to take these contracts?
heine41 - June 30, 2009
Let me be clear
I dont think anyone wants these guys, thats why Im willing to throw them on waivers. If someone does want them, however, then trading them would be the right thing to do.
My point of using waivers, which is the same as Sullivan;s, is that there is a message there. If someone is so supid as to bite on the deal, then even better.
Ryanocm1 - June 30, 2009
Well, there would be plenty of GMs available at that point, because any GM that took any of those contracts except Z would quickly be fired.
cocknfire - June 30, 2009
The point of having a job...
…is to try to keep that job. Doing something that you know can get you fired isn’t exactly good for your job security.
Ace Venom - June 30, 2009
My point was
That no one is going to take those contracts, again with the exception of Z, for good reason
cocknfire - June 30, 2009
believe me, I hope I'm right too
Worst case scenario though, this season, the last as The Trib’s team, will just epitomize what’s is wrong with this organization, and radical changes will be made once the new ownership gets in with a winning attitude.
Hendry has made some great deals in the past, but this year, this team, unless things turn around, is a fireable offense
heine41 - June 30, 2009
Heine, you said it better
than I ever could.
Gotta hand it to a level-headed Peoria person.
Not Bruce Froemming - June 30, 2009
I appreciate that coming from you
P.S. I’m from Pekin :)
heine41 - June 30, 2009
Pekin?
Well, I just might have to reconsider that. :) Make it “Peoria-area person.”
Not Bruce Froemming - June 30, 2009
hey I'm of a different generation
I’m bringing the reputation back :)
heine41 - June 30, 2009
It almost makes me wish the season
was over so I could hear Garry Meier everyday.
mattvegas - June 30, 2009
Only a month and a half to Bears Preseason
Danwood - June 30, 2009
We now have a new motto for this team - An Embarassment of Riches.
willie mays hayes' gloves - June 30, 2009
I got a motto- shutout baseball .... that's what we do
lexmarklover - June 30, 2009
Optimist - or Pessimist
or “Realist”
We can all agree on one thing:
This team right now is really bad.
I was not expecting to sweep the Pirates. But a shutout??? $140MM payroll vs. $15MM?
The E-Man - June 30, 2009
It's baseball man
This is not the NFL, things like this happen over the course of a 162 season.
Just sucks that its been happening a bit too often
heine41 - June 30, 2009
a bit too often?
3 months of bad baseball is pretty often.
TJ3117 - June 30, 2009
Agreed,
Heine. It is not the NFL. Note the words, “…team RIGHT NOW is really bad…”
The worst in baseball with RISP.
The E-Man - June 30, 2009
Yes we are horrible right now
But injuries and team-wide slumps know no payroll
heine41 - June 30, 2009
Pujols hits 29 and 30
unbelievable ball player.
Ryanocm1 - June 30, 2009
See the sig baby :)
heine41 - June 30, 2009
How you gonna pull that off?
Ricketts going to buy the Cards and then nontender him?
cocknfire - June 30, 2009
I've seen how poorly $150 million can be spent
And how teams like the Marlins, Rays, etc. can compete with limited payrolls.
Cubs figure out how to fix one thing and implement the other, getting Pujols is NOT out of the question
heine41 - June 30, 2009
The Cardinals would have to be insane to give him up
And I mean, literally insane. As in, Tony LaRussa banging his head against the wall, screaming, “ROSEBUD! ROSEBUD!” insane. Ain’t going to happen.
cocknfire - June 30, 2009
I'm glad I set my beer down
That post really made me laugh.
Ace Venom - June 30, 2009
Pujols will never leave the Cards.
VegasCubFan - June 30, 2009
Never say never
but your’re probably right.
Not Bruce Froemming - June 30, 2009
knowing the history of the Cubs
we would finally get Pujols when he’s 45 and cannot hit anymore.
VegasCubFan - June 30, 2009
lol or we do get him and he turns into some .280 15 hr's 75 rbi guy
WTF!
heine41 - June 30, 2009
We got Hornsby in 1929, who won the MVP that year
Problem is that Hack Wilson couldn’t catch a fly ball in the 1929 World Series.
Ace Venom - June 30, 2009
You don't know this
LaRussa leaving the Cardinals, and the Cardinals inability to field a competitive team, coupled with poor attendance figures for the next two year because of said poor play, it is definitely a possibility
heine41 - June 30, 2009
you are right
and I cannot say the man is loyal to the Cardinals. He appears to be. But would want to be the STL GM who lets Pujols go to the Cubs?
VegasCubFan - June 30, 2009
I just don't think the Cardinals will be able to pay him what he deserves even AFTER a hometown discount
and still be able to put the kind of players around him he feels he deserves.
Its like they A. Resign Pujols to his mega-contract and then be the STL Pujols for the next 10 years, or move one and field a competitive team
heine41 - June 30, 2009
but look at what he does now with no protection around him.
VegasCubFan - June 30, 2009
he's not interested in his numbers
he wants rings
heine41 - June 30, 2009
True enough
I still don’t think he’s leaving St. Louis, but I wouldn’t be shocked if he did.
Not Bruce Froemming - June 30, 2009
and if he does
it won’t be for the Cubs
ElHijoDelRonSanto - June 30, 2009
either us or Boston
heine41 - June 30, 2009
who is to say what Albert would do?
VegasCubFan - June 30, 2009
Actually, he could probably get $10 million a year
From ESPN, just for the honor of having him in their presence.
cocknfire - June 30, 2009
hes going to go where
A. He can be competitve and B. Get Paid.
heine41 - June 30, 2009
The bottom line is
there aren’t going to be any changes to the roster until Ramirez has been back a few weeks. Coincidentally, that’s right about at the trading deadline. Once this team’s had ARam in the lineup again for a while — even if he doesn’t hit .350 — Lou and Hendry can make a call.
Not Bruce Froemming - June 30, 2009
Bingo
We’ve essentially been playing without our RBI guy for about two months now. It’s actually amazing that this team hasn’t gone completely in the cellar without him.
Ace Venom - June 30, 2009
and I well stand by it. You add an RBI guy
Other RBI guys will come out of the woodwork
heine41 - June 30, 2009
except that no one knows how much of ARAM will come back
dislocated shoulder is something that can linger a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time. Take it from someone who’s athletic career was ended by them.
I was no all -star, but was a college athlete, and had to give it up because my shoulder constantly popped out, after the first time.
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
It will be his presence more than his production that will help this team
he could hit .270 and i still think things will come around. We don’t need bombs and power numbers, we need timely hitting.
We need a reminder that when you have runners on 3rd and 2nd with noone out, the pitcher is the one in trouble, not out offense
heine41 - June 30, 2009
that makes no sense
if he hits .270 I’ll be relatively happy. But you’re saying his production won’t matter, then saying that the team needs to see that a pitcher is in trouble with him at the plate.
The only way the pitcher is in trouble is if he’s hitting, and hitting well
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
Aramis would have delivered in the 8th inning tonight
regardless of his average when he comes back
heine41 - June 30, 2009
At this point, he could hit .170 and still be one of the team's best hitters
cocknfire - June 30, 2009
Ummm...
we are almost in the cellar.
The E-Man - June 30, 2009
Not there yet.
Being in near the cellar in June isn’t exactly the same as being in the cellar in July or August.
Ace Venom - June 30, 2009
oh lord.
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
Remember this
Just having ARam in the lineup will settle down the order. He doesn’t have to hit a ton.
Not Bruce Froemming - June 30, 2009
this coming from the guy who believed that having Dero in the lineup wouldn't have helped at all
your lack of logic knows no bounds
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
If you don't know the difference between ARam and DeRo
Then I can’t help you. Then again, I don’t think anybody can.
But I forgot, DeRo is the reincarnation of Lou Gehrig.
Not Bruce Froemming - June 30, 2009
he was actually someone who was driving in runs
which is presumably what ARAM will do. You just didn’t want him here out of some sort of weird spite towards those who did.
You NEVER from what I saw, gave a reason why Dero wouldn’t have upgraded the offense. It’s simple statistics.
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
and there's that winning strawman/hyperbole argument you love so much
You seriously crack me up. Getting ARAM back will magically make everyone else better. But when someone says getting Derosa might have made the offense better, it’s so ridiculous, that it’s like calling him Lou Gehrig.
Like I said, your lack of logic knows no bounds
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
Not the right comparison
DeRosa: .263/.336/.446
Fontenot: .219/.304/.357
cocknfire - June 30, 2009
Neither of them is burning it up
But given a choice…
cocknfire - June 30, 2009
it's a fine comparison when the original argument was
that having a competent hitter makes the rest of the offense better
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
There's a difference
between a “competent hitter” and a perennial all-star who is/has been the best hitter on your club, you moron.
The Cubs roster is filled with competent hitters, more competent than your hero, even.
It’s like talking to a brick wall.
Not Bruce Froemming - June 30, 2009
DeRosa
I was skeptical of the trade to the Indians when it happened, it definitely damaged our fielding depth. But unil last year DeRo was a pretty average hitter. And last year was a career year. I feel Hendry rolled the dice, gambing that he would not get comparable numbers this year out of DeRo.
VegasCubFan - June 30, 2009
My hero? speaking of a brick wall.....
“The Cubs roster is filled with competent hitters” is it? Odd, I could have sworn we have one of the worst offenses in the NL, and THE worst with RISP. That doesn’t scream competence to me.
Neither do any of your posts for that matter
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
Look at their track record
Yes, the roster is filled with competent hitters.
Not Bruce Froemming - June 30, 2009
they aren't competent this year, and Derosa has been
which is the point that keeps flying over your head like an airplane circling a crowded runway
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
DeRosa
Might not have gotten caught up in this slump too.
Ace Venom - June 30, 2009
you two need you own sitcom
heine41 - June 30, 2009
Not me
I’d just be the eccentric drunk. Think Kramer with too much to drink.
Ace Venom - June 30, 2009
I'm saying NBF and WW
heine41 - June 30, 2009
"The Bickersons II"
Not Bruce Froemming - June 30, 2009
"The Really Odd Couple!"
heine41 - June 30, 2009
I like that better
Not Bruce Froemming - June 30, 2009
Take Pujols off the Cardinals
and St. Louis goes in the tank. Does DeRosa help them then? Heck, they’re on their way to going 0-3 with him AND Pujols.
Not Bruce Froemming - June 30, 2009
Don't remember thinking we'd go undefeated with Derosa
but I understand things like nuance are hard for you to understand
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
Heath Bell to Cubs ?
Rumor source
cubsnlinux - June 30, 2009
Will he hit leadoff too?
If so, we’ve solved all of our problems ;)
Danwood - June 30, 2009
Quick
Posting more Erin Andrews pictures may make it actually happen.
Ace Venom - June 30, 2009
Because that will improve our OPS
cocknfire - June 30, 2009
I guess I wouldn't hate that
but it would make me wonder what we’re giving up to get him, and whether those prospects would be better spent on upgrading our offense
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
At this point, having Healh Bell PH might upgrade our offense
cocknfire - June 30, 2009
true
WanderingWanderer - June 30, 2009
my dachshund would upgrade the offense
VegasCubFan - June 30, 2009
Not Heath
Ledger, right?
The E-Man - June 30, 2009
Why so serious?
Ace Venom - June 30, 2009
You can stand on your
head with suppositions, but I can just see what is happening currently.
When (if) the time comes that they can play at a .600 clip for the rest of the season, then I’ll give them credit where it is due.
The E-Man - June 30, 2009
I feel your pain, E
Say the Serenity Prayer a few times if you have to. Don’t jump ship.
Not Bruce Froemming - June 30, 2009
Oh - I'll be okay
Bruce until we get about 10 games out…
I am gonna write Jim Hendry, anyway!
The E-Man - June 30, 2009
Give him my regards
:)
Not Bruce Froemming - June 30, 2009
Good night
hope you all have a nice evening.
Ryanocm1 - June 30, 2009
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