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Which Zambrano Do We Get Tonight? - Cubs vs. Braves, Thursday 6/4, 6:10 CT

Which Carlos Zambrano will take the mound tonight in Atlanta, returning from his six-game suspension? Will it be the guy who, controlled and focused, threw a no-hitter in Milwaukee vs. the Astros last September? The guy who, until a call went against him last week at Wrigley Field, was mowing down Pirates? Or will it be the guy who went ballistic after that bad call, or the guy who stomped off the mound at Wrigley one start after the no-hitter, not even waiting for Lou Piniella to come and get him after one of the worst starts of his career?

We just don't know. And Z, who turned 28 on Monday, needs to grow up and use his considerable pitching talent to consistently win baseball games. There is no doubt in my mind that if Zambrano could channel his passion into his play, he could be among the best, if not the best, pitchers in baseball every single year. The Cubs are certainly paying him commensurate with that idea. Time to step up, Carlos.

From yesterday's Bruce Miles blog:

Lou said on his pregame radio show that [Koyie] Hill will get to catch more. Maybe that was his way of lighting a fire under Geovany Soto, who has 1 homer and 12 RBI and is 6-for-32 in throwing out runners.

Hill looked bad at the plate yesterday and Geo came in and drew a pinch-walk and threw out a runner; it'll take more than one day to prove this "lit a fire". Hill starts again tonight against the tough Jair Jurrjens.

If you are interested, before the Cubs game begins, to follow Randy Johnson's attempt for his 300th win in the first game of a doubleheader in Washington (forced by last night's rainout, and scheduled to be underway before this pregame post is up), here's the MLB.com Gameday for the Giants/Nationals first game. With the DC-area weather forecast calling for an 80% chance of rain today, they may not get this one in, either.

Via Twittermyer, tonight's lineup:

Soriano, lf; Theriot, ss; Fukudome, rf; Lee, 1b: Fontenot, 3b; Johnson, cf; Hill, c; Blanco, 2b; Zambrano, p

Other Twittermyer info: Nate McLouth will start in CF for the Braves tonight and bat third. And Rich Harden will have a rehab start at Iowa on Sunday; if all goes well he will return from the DL and start Friday, June 12 vs. the Twins.

Sammy Sosa. Blah, blah, blah, and blah. Won't he just go away?

Today's Starting Pitchers
Carlos Zambrano
Carlos Zambrano
Cubs
vs. Jair Jurrjens
Jair Jurrjens
Braves
3-2 W-L 5-2
4.22 ERA 2.59
46 SO 40
21 BB 23
4 HR 4
vs. Atl -- vs. Cubs

I'm guessing the Tigers would love to have the Jair Jurrjens deal back -- all they got from it was one mediocre year out of Edgar Renteria, who then left as a free agent. The Braves, meanwhile, got an outstanding young starter who is only 23 -- and also Gorkys Hernandez, who just went to the Pirates yesterday as part of the Nate McLouth deal. Why can't the Cubs make trades like this? Jurrjens will be making his first career appearance against the Cubs. He was supposed to start last June 11 vs. the Cubs at Wrigley, but had a minor ankle problem from tripping on the dugout steps. Jeff Bennett started instead and broke Alfonso Soriano's wrist with a pitch in the first inning.

Z hasn't had much success vs. the Braves. In 10 lifetime starts he's 2-2, 4.62 and the last time he beat Atlanta was July 15, 2002, the second of back-to-back starts where he beat the Braves, ironically, in a year when the Braves were good and the Cubs were awful. (Check out the lineup that day, too.) Since then Z has lost twice to Atlanta and had a bunch of no-decisions. He handles most of their current lineup pretty well, including the just-acquired Nate McLouth (5-for-22, .227 vs. Z). Brian McCann is 5-for-9 against Zambrano.

Tonight's game is on cable -- lucky you, however, if you live outside Chicago or Atlanta; it's being picked up by the MLB Network for national distribution. For other games today see the MLB.com Mediacenter.

MLB.com Gameday

Baseball-reference.com game preview

SB Nation game preview

Overflow comment threads will post today at 7 pm, 8 pm and 8:45 pm CDT.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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Comments

$136 million payroll and Mike Fontenot is your # 5 hitter

Does it get any better than that?

i think

DLee hitting 4th is worse than Fontenot hitting 5th

Lee

put together a pretty good May, and June is off to a great start. In large part, they won yesterday because of him.

Places fingers in ears, closes eyes, begins stomping with both feet...

…“No no no no no! DLee sucks!”

Some don't want

to accept the truth do they?

I have friends who'll take the oppisite side of you in a conversation...

… just because they like to be intellectually challenged by the debate. I often hope many here are just doing that, playing devil’s advocate, rather than actually buying in to the redic.

no you dont

you believe everything you type here. I can post stats if needed :=)

Couldn't disagree more...

Clearly, you’ve missed the past month in which Lee’s OPS was well over 900, while Fontenot’s OPS was well under .700.

But he's old! Make him a bat boy, its the only remaining value he has!

(Obligatory sarcasm notification.)

Bat boys have to run!

Derrek can’t run or bend over… He’s old!!

Thwarted again!

I mean, elders can be easily tricked, right? Maybe we can get him to waive his NTC for a package of Depends and a bottle of Centrum Silver?

I thought the depends

were part of the PTBNL for Hill

But he can

bend over and I’ve got the pictures to prove it. :D

oh yeah.
Hi Em!!!
see what pulls me out of the woodwork?
lol

hi em!! hi sue!!

HA Hi Allie
lol

let the call for more shoe tying pictures commence. :-D

Has nothing to do with payroll and everything to do with injuries.
(why do you all take the bait?)
Oh, I dunno.

So at least everyone else knows the truth.

I like it that BLou now has his panties in a wad over Fontnot hitting 5th....

this will probably mean Fonty hits a HR and a double tonight.

ah-hah!

J’ACCUSE! :P

Al has actually shown great restraint...

… if this was MY site, i’d have pulled some shenanigans on BLou’s account by now. Not booting him, that’d be bad for traffic (as asinine as the dude is, he for sure drives conversation, and thusly eyeballs, and thusly, ad revenue).

Me, personally? I’d change his user name to Hates The Cubs, i’d make all his comments appear in a sad, sad brown, i’d make his posts all appear in Swahili…

Geez

So now the guy isn’t allowed to voice a dissenting opinion in any way? I mean, I can understand if people are getting abusive and name calling, etc. but all he did was make a
statement. You guys really need to lighten up. It’s getting to the point here where anything but unqualified praise of the Cubs is somehow equal to hate.

Luckily Al is a lot more understanding of the fact that give and take is part of the whole fan experience. IMO this would be an incredibly boring site if all people did was log on to talk about how great the Cubs were.

Dissenting opinion is a fairly mild way to put it...

… go look through the guys comment history. Seriously. I’ve said it before and i’ll say it again. He’s an intelligent cubs fan who has become jaded to his own detriment. If you approach everything with negativity, it isn’t unreasonable to expect to get some back.

i think its just cause its CONSTANT
you're in a good mood today.

That was an uncharacteristically mild comment. Did your Social Security check come early?

Cyber cyclist gets my favorite Blue Mike Burn award
Lots of rain

in the area… but to my untrained eye, it looks like they should be able to play.

is t he other eye trained?
Actually

no, the other eye is blind.

what about the third eye?
blind doesnt mean it cant be trained
It does when its an eye

and its only function for which training is possible is seeing. :-P

I hate it when

they won’t play fetch.

or mop the floor
What about hypnotizing?
Oooh shiney!
where is blou now telling us if we will play or not

He did such a good job the last time guessing wrong

The Nats/Giants game is just starting.

Thers are about 100 fans in the park.

and they are all sitting in section 423 row 19
That would be awesome...

if true. :)

The Big Unit gunning for #300

One of the greatest pitchers of all time and a pathetic fan turnout in the nation’s capital. Something is wrong with that.

And it mostly has everything to do with MLB and their pipe-dreams of a succsful team in DC.
third times the charm
Should've given it to Portland...

:(

Fans in Portland sure love their basketball team

I’m betting it would carry over to baseball.

I think so...

Portland is the largest market in the nation with only one professional sports franchise. They had a good financing plan in place (aimed at limiting the public sector exposure). And they could’ve either put them in the AL West (with its 4 current teams, creating a regional rivalry with the Mariners) or in the NL West, and then shift the Rockies to the Central and the Pirates to the East).

The plans for Portland (including a really cool look at the various stadium ideas) can be found here.

And for a quicker look, here’s a layout one of my favorite stadiums plans. (Click the main picture for an interactive view).

Anyway, all in all it had all the financing, design, demographic elements in place. Just couldn’t overcome the moronic fixation on getting ANOTHER team in the Northeast Corridor…

San Antonio
That's funny

You’re funny.

actually I bet it would work

San Antonio would be able to support a team IMHO, and with Austin only 90 minutes away, they would draw from two large markets.

I beg to differ

Ever heard of that pink elephant they got on the corner of Hwy. 281 and Durango St.? (strike one)

San Antonio is the 11th largest city in the country but only the 39th media market. That’s 20 spots below Kansas City. (strike two)

Houston is two-and-a-half hours away by car. Dallas is all-encompassing in Texas. Their sports teams take over any audience and revenue. (strike three)

I live in Austin

I know where the cities lie. Central Texas is a growing area, with a lot of transplants, which is why I believe it would work. Now am I saying it would for sure, no, but I would take a gamble saying yes it would.

It's been pouring here all day.
Tweet from Gordo.

No DL for Bradley… for now.

Just saw it

In any case, would the Cubs bring another pitcher if Bradley does go to the DL?

Let's hope not.

They already have one they’re not using. 13 pitchers is ridiculous.

Pitchers could be

the new back up second baseman fixation for the Cubs?

Hard to justify 13 pitchers...

Especially given that we aren’t using the 11th and 12th ones very often.

I’d guess Fuld or DuBois would get the call.

And probably Fuld...

Because at least he’s already on the roster.

This just posted on Twitter:

Z giving updates to reporters every time somebody goes in Lou’s office today. ‘Big news in the paper tomorrow.’

Whatever that means…

From who?
Gordo
Ah, see it now.

This is one of those times when Twitter’s 140 limit isn’t great. What does this mean? Is Z just playing with the press because of the lack of talking about he and lou’s meeting about the missed plane ride? Who is going in?

We need context!

It appears that Z is just messing around

based on the latest tweet

cst_cubsSays Z: ‘Look, Geo is going in Lou’s office. …They closed the door. … They’re fighting. …Be in the paper tomorrow.’

Thats sort of what i figured...

… he’s jovial to be pitching again… been a rough couple of weeks for the guy. Wants to mess with those who’ve had so much to say about him in the meantime.

Z's Lou impression is actually really funny

The whole “look” thing….

Hopefully a joking happy Z is a winning Z.

If he doesn't win...

prepare for the 5 FanPosts about how “Z needs to get serious and stop joking around!”

More like

“prepare for a day w/o Allie at BCB”

I just took one of those days.....

so you cant go and take one Ally now that I’m back

and 10 "How dare you criticize a Cub" rebuttals
Untill things go off track...

… then we get… THE INCREDIBLE Z!

I love that!
Gordo's tweet or Gordo's "big news"?
Thank you, gwood

Sorry, I forgot to attribute. I’m fired.

I suspect this actually means...'Big news on the internet in the next 6 hours'
Is Lou saying his goodbyes?
Sounds like Lou and Geo ...

… are having an argument over Geo not starting tonight.

Maybe if Geo yells enough

He will lose some pounds.

or atleast look alive
I would be willing to guess that some of us women here @ BCB

would happily help Geo to come up w/ a good diet and exercise plan.

Al, get Deep Goat on the phone and dig a little will ya?
LOL

DG doesn’t work that quickly!

Am I the only one almost completely disillusioned with Z?

I think it’s fair to assume a guy who will be averaging $15m per year should give you 15-18 wins (ideally up to 20) per year, which Z probably will.

But is anyone else tired of the ERA that has gone UP a full run over the last 5 years? For the kind of money he’s earning, in my humble opinion, Z has been underperforming. (Not to mention the childish tirades and at least twice being injured due to lack of hydration and stretching)

/end rant

Correction

ERA actually has gone up a full run and a half over the last 5 years.

It pisses me off too.
Doubt you are the ONLY one...
Please don't equate "wins" with performance. He should be putting up a better WHIP and ERA+ to be earning the $ he's being paid.
I look at balks myself...

But I guess those are good metrics too.

how many "wins" does Randy Wells have this year?
Does or should have?

That poor 1.80 ERA… and 0-2 record.

Aaron Heilman sucks.

That's how I sign my business documents now

“Looking forward to hearing from you soon, accept my kind regards. Aaron Heilman sucks,
Jose M. Hernandez-Lagunes”

haha.

That made me laugh. :)

I think you might have come up with something worthy for that space chilango
I think you misunderstood....

I was agreeing with you. I think wins are an incredibly overrated statistics. I was just tring to kid around about the idea of paying a pitcher based off balks…

Oh, I understood your jest....I just wanted to illustrate my point more clearly.

It’s like celebrating a guy for being an “RBI machine”….dumb.

Agreed

Also, it wouldn’t hurt if he avoided the pattern of 5-6 innings of domination and one inning of implosion, though that’s just anecdotal, obviously.

But the more important question is...

Do you think he’s our “ace”? :) :-p

Hmm...

It cut off the end of my comment: “I agree with you btw. I’m just not looking forward to the unholy wrath from the deep that is no doubt waiting to pounce on your post for heresy….”

Hmmm...
Maybe that was his [Lou’s] way of lighting a fire under Geovany Soto…

What Lou really needs to do is get Geo on a treadmill for 3 straight hours during the game… and no post-game buffet.

I hope the rain

stays away. I just want Z to bring his “A” game tonight. No theatrics just go out and pitch 7, 8 or 9 innings.

A 3 inning save?
Yeah

Obviously Ted Lilly starts again today :)

but only goes 5 innings?

that lazy SOB

I'd like to see him pitch ten innings...

and get the win. I’m starting to enjoy all the extra innings.

Yikes

Dontrelle Willis 2.1 IP, 5 ER, 0 H…. 5 BB.

shades of Rich Hill
Couple of "Yikes" outings today by SP.

Mike Pelfrey : 3.2 INN, 9 HA, 4 BBI, 3 K, 8 ER, 19.636 ERA, 3.545 WHIP, L

Against the Bucks.

I think Willis is worse

5 ER without giving up a hit… thats something.

For sure.

Even worse considering how fast he has fallen.

Is that ERA or WHIP you posted

for Pelfrey over the season or just over this start?

Reply button is my friend.

Sorry Allie. I answered you below. :)

Willis has been

on a downslope since 2005 when he threw 236 innings with a 1.13 WHIP. He went to 1.42 then 1.60 and 2.21 last year. His violent delivery just broke him down.

Oh man...

I really want him to succeed. I hope it was just a one-off bad outing.

Just from today's start.

Overall he’s having a good start to the season. 4-1 3.88 ERA, 1.37 WHIP

Willis is by far in a worse spot. Pelfrey just had a surprising bad start against a not so good team in the Bucks.

Ah

That line is pretty respectable. That WHIP over 3 scared me. LOL

It would scare anyone :)

Should have been more specific.

Oh the glory of being home at 5:24 p.m.

Too bad The Simpsons is a bad episode today…

I killed this thread or something

Where’s everyone?

It is really dead here.

Which was frustrating me ‘cause I’ve run out of things to do to kill time before the game. :(

I'm here....I'm just waiting patiently.
Hi Sammy
yeah

its really really quiet in here….

They just said on CTL

the game will be delayed but didn’t say for how long. :-(

Tommy Skilling just said the same on Ch.9

“This game is in jeopardy,” said Skilling.

yeah

it looks kinda sketchy…

Oh poo

Guess they’ll fly to the ATL on Monday…

I'll take Rain Delay Theater for $400

Alex?

ctl?
oops.

Thought I had hit reply…

Chicago Tribune Live

it’s on CSN at 5:30.

6 outs for Randy to get #300
Good for him

2 questions, is he the last guy to get to 300? (Jaime Moyer is at 250)
And if the list I’m looking at is right, am I the only one who thinks it’s odd that the top 4 active career wins leaders are lefties? (Glavine is still included)

The game thread is up

here.

But what’s the etiquette if the game’s delayed?

rain delay theater, anyone?
Guess people want to congregate in the other thread dude

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