Overflow Thread 3: Cubs vs. Nationals, Sunday 7/19, 12:35 CT

i think it is pretty simple; heilman is walking too many batters. he has been employed full time in mlb now for 6 seasons+; somebody must think he has potential.

why aaron will not throw strikes & challenge hitters w/his fastball that can hit 95+, combined w/ an effective change & a serviceable slider i will NEVER know

brian custer - July 19, 2009 reply

...because he chokes

mgrace17 - July 19, 2009 reply

hes probablyscared people hit bombs off him

like molina did in the 2006 NLCS

jesus christos - July 19, 2009 reply

there isa probably a lot

of truth to this, jesus. he is literally scared to come over the plate; his bombs are down but his walks are WAY up. shouldn’t rothschild be helping aaron w/this glitch??

brian custer - July 19, 2009 reply

b/c he's not very good

Allie - July 19, 2009 reply

I think today's whipping boy is Hill

Look for a FanPost later tonight.

Clutch16 - July 19, 2009 reply

He's just not

been that good Brian.

sue369 - July 19, 2009 reply

shark is going to finish out the game it appears as he is hitting for the 2nd time today.

MandMexpress12 - July 19, 2009 reply

nobody

to pinch hit. And those long flowing locks are slowing him down.

drewishdrewid - July 19, 2009 reply

I still think Stevens is going to come in

Lou used everybody on his bench except Bradley and Aram so he let shark hit

mgrace17 - July 19, 2009 reply

Off-topic question.

Does it count as a save for the Shark if he finishes this game? I have seen four-inning saves in situations similar to this one.

For example, there was this game in 2007.

Vermont Cubs Fan - July 19, 2009 reply

I don't think so because he came in so far ahead.

slcathena - July 19, 2009 reply

does not matter the score if is 3 or more ininngs.

MandMexpress12 - July 19, 2009 reply

Check the surrounding comments.

If you come into a game and pitch at least the last three innings, you get a save, regardless of what the score is when you come in.

Vermont Cubs Fan - July 19, 2009 reply

Yeah, those were after that post of mine.

Carry on. :)

slcathena - July 19, 2009 reply

yes as long as you go last 3 of the game you win.

MandMexpress12 - July 19, 2009 reply

No.

Because of the score, this is not a save situation.

Mike Martin - July 19, 2009 reply

yes it will be if shark finishes it because it would be 3 or more innings to finish the game.

MandMexpress12 - July 19, 2009 reply

if there is a 3 run diff yes

jesus christos - July 19, 2009 reply

not true. see above.

MandMexpress12 - July 19, 2009 reply

Or if you pitch the last three innnings of a game, regardless of score.

That also counts as a save.

Vermont Cubs Fan - July 19, 2009 reply

Looks like Ole Shark is going to get the save in an 11-3 game.

MandMexpress12 - July 19, 2009 reply

god i hope it doesn't get that far

a save?

yikes. where are my tums?

Allie - July 19, 2009 reply

if you pitch the last 3 innings or more of a win regardless of the score you get credited with a save.

MandMexpress12 - July 19, 2009 reply

That explains my question above.

Vermont Cubs Fan - July 19, 2009 reply

Really?

I didn’t know that.

slcathena - July 19, 2009 reply

ya one of the weird baseball rules

MandMexpress12 - July 19, 2009 reply

I stand corrected

Rule 10.20 in the Official Rule Book states:
Credit a pitcher with a save when he meets all three of the following conditions:
(1) He is the finishing pitcher in a game won by his club; and
(2) He is not the winning pitcher; and
(3) He qualifies under one of the following conditions:
- (a) He enters the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitches for at least one inning; or
- (b) He enters the game, regardless of the count, with the potential tying run either on base, or at bat, or on deck (that is, the potential tying run is either already on base or is one of the first two batsmen he faces; or
- © He pitches effectively for at least three innings. No more than one save may be credited in each game

Mike Martin - July 19, 2009 reply