"The Great Gorzo" was the winner of Zeke's FanPost series to decide Tom Gorzelanny's nickname. With the Great Gorzo going tonight, the headline followed naturally.
Anyway, the Cubs need this win to split the series (and season series) with the Rockies, and have a .500 road trip, which is one way to make a playoff team (split on the road, win 2/3 of your games at home). Another way is to beat up on the bad teams and split with the good ones -- some here have complained that "the Cubs can't beat the good teams", noting they are 20-23 against teams which currently have winning records. The Cubs have recently won series vs. the Brewers and Astros when those teams began the series with a winning record, so quoting "currently" doesn't necessarily reflect what was going on at the time. I pointed out yesterday that the Cardinals have a 21-21 record vs. teams that currently have winning records.
I thought it would be instructive to take a look at other good teams' records against such teams. Currently, 16 of the 30 teams are over .500.
The Dodgers are 34-29 against those teams. The Rockies are 28-30. The Giants are 28-25. The Phillies are 27-28.
Hmmm. Looks like "good" teams in the National League pretty much split against each other. How about some of the AL teams?
The Yankees are 28-29 (even after sweeping Boston this past weekend). The Red Sox are also 28-29. The Angels are 31-33. And the Tigers are 26-25.
So it appears that most, if not all, of the contending teams this year are doing it by splitting with each other and beating up on the bad teams. The Cubs, at 20-23, are a little behind the rest, but not much.
Meanwhile, if Aramis Ramirez's shoulder is still bothering him after some more rest (likely today's game, too), further treatment may be necessary:
If a day or two of rest doesn't significantly improve the soreness in Aramis Ramirez's left shoulder, the next step could be a cortisone shot that sidelines the Cubs' cleanup hitter for at least two more games during a particularly tough stretch of opponents.
"We talked about it," said the third baseman, who was forced to leave Saturday's game in the fifth inning because of increasing soreness in the shoulder he dislocated early this season. "We'll see how it responds with some [oral] medicine first before we take that step.
"We don't have any days off here, so it's going to be a day that we play if we do it."
Let's hope that isn't needed and Aramis can return to the lineup tomorrow night against the Phillies.

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Jorge de la Rosa has never started against the Cubs, but didn't allow them a run in 6.1 relief innings over three appearances with the Brewers from 2004-06 and one with the Rockies last year. Alfonso Soriano is 2-for-3 vs. de la Rosa with a HR.
Tom Gorzelanny has made two starts against the Rockies, one of them in Coors Field on August 22, 2007. He gave up two runs (one earned) in six innings that day. If he can keep his sinker down tonight, I expect good results. No current Rockie has more than three career AB vs. Gorzelanny.
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Get better Aram
Go Cubbies!!
cubsluver22 - August 10, 2009
getting ARam back would be a real "shot in the arm" for this offense!
…as opposed to a shot in the shoulder
LAcarl519 - August 10, 2009
first
tootle - August 10, 2009
and that's a FAIL
BleedsbluinMI - August 10, 2009
Let's get this win!
chitownhawkeye - August 10, 2009
santoswoodenlegs - August 10, 2009
MAKE IT GREEN!
MAKE IT GREEN!
MAKE IT GREEN!
THIS
IS
RIGHT
FIELDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
dtpollitt - August 10, 2009
santoswoodenlegs - August 10, 2009
I think I'd want a batting helmet with two ear covers if I was at war.
dtpollitt - August 10, 2009
Does Gorzelanny shave yet?
or is that his Bar Mitzvah photo?
santo4hof - August 10, 2009
He's not the Jewish one acquired from Pittsburgh.
You’re thinking of the other guy Grabow. Now sit back and wait for Doggie Stalker to provide us with a scintillating review of all Jewish ballplayers in baseball and whether each is circumcised.
BLou - August 10, 2009
Completely inappropriate, but I LOL'ed, not gonna lie.
dtpollitt - August 10, 2009
Well since you seem to want to know
My best GUESS would be only Grabow and Marquis though I have absolutely no first hand knowledge.
Doggie Stalker - August 10, 2009
Great analysis of splitting with +.500 teams, Mr. Yellon.
I like it.
dtpollitt - August 10, 2009
I'm guessing we won't hear from...
… the person who mentioned this in the first place, because I’ve disproven his hypothesis.
Al Yellon - August 10, 2009
Yes, I thought the same thing.
It matters not; good teams in baseball cannot beat up on other good teams more than about 50-55% of the time as you’ve shown from this season. IIRC, there’s a chapter or a section on THE BOOK about win expectancy. I might have to pull it out again and look at it and add to your thoughts later tonight.
Dan
dtpollitt - August 10, 2009
please don't pull it out again
the children are still awake
LAcarl519 - August 10, 2009
LOL Carl.
dtpollitt - August 10, 2009
BTW, you are 100% right :-)
LAcarl519 - August 10, 2009
When has that ever stopped him ?
should anything go bad tonight I imagine we will hear from him.
Doggie Stalker - August 10, 2009
too bad you were wrong on the hearing from part :(
Madison Cub Fan - August 10, 2009
And with the Phillies
currently with 3 wins in their last 10 and losers of 3 in a row we are getting them at a good time. Pedro is going Wednesday for his first start, that will be interesting. Harden will have to be on against Happ and Dempster has a tough on with Cliff Lee. I think we can take 2 of 3 and with a win tonight we’ll have a little better record against teams above .500.
mrcubsfan - August 10, 2009
I hate playing teams in losing streaks
I figure the odds are against you.
Doggie Stalker - August 10, 2009
agreed but we have lost a decent amount lately as well
oeosoto - August 10, 2009
You might want to reconsider that statement...
…seeing as how it could only apply for the first game of a series. I would think you’d want to face a team with a losing streak the rest of the time.
ballhawk - August 10, 2009
agreed.
now, let’s win 3 of the next 4 and get our # in line with the rest of the contenders.
LAcarl519 - August 10, 2009
Amen.
Mully and Hanley kept flogging the dead horse of “The Cubs haven’t won a series against a team with a winning record since April” this morning and I wanted to punch a hole in my radio.
Goodie1969 - August 10, 2009
Oh my
I read the quoted section with the boxed word [ ] as replacement, not an addition.
Well, yes, we’ll see how it responds to that. While I appreciate how far the team is willing to go for him, I’m not sure it’s going to help his shoulder.
chitownhawkeye - August 10, 2009
Pain meds, I'm guessing.
Al Yellon - August 10, 2009
I figured that out
eventually.
chitownhawkeye - August 10, 2009
bracketed words in a quote are a pet peeve of mine
a quote should be the quote – and you can quote me on that. Did ARam say “oral” or didn’t he? If he did, then no need for brackets. If he didn’t, then why include it in the quote. If there’s some context needed, then add it outside the quote – don’t sit there and put words in the guy’s mouth; oral or otherwise…
ballhawk - August 10, 2009
A lot of times there's no way around it...
In academic work for example, it’s almost unavoidable (try quoting a government report with sub-clauses/sections without using brackets).
It’s also necessary when you have pronoun confusion. There’s really nothing untoward about doing it, unless you to do to alter the meaning of what’s being said.
CubsWin!Oregon - August 10, 2009
I try to stay away from academic work, so I'll take your word for it.
and in the hands of a well-trained writer, perhaps it is a necessary evil. But seeing as how most of the situations I see it in are in sports articles, I question the writer’s skill to correctly use it. And in the case of a few Chicago writers, they do seem to do it to alter the meaning.
Just seems like a cop-out most of the time.
ballhawk - August 10, 2009
caption: hey ump, im on the base!
jesus christos - August 10, 2009
White sox got Alex Rios
for nothing
oeosoto - August 10, 2009
Where did you see that?
I can’t find any links.
And it’s not quite “for nothing”. They have to pay the $56 million left on his contract.
Al Yellon - August 10, 2009
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/baseball/blue-jays-trade-rios/article1247197/
jesus christos - August 10, 2009
Thanks for the link.
Dumping Rios’ deal makes it possible that they might be able to keep Roy Halladay.
Al Yellon - August 10, 2009
Assuming Halladay would stay
which I kind of doubt.
Doggie Stalker - August 10, 2009
Random musings from MLBTR; press conference shortly.
dtpollitt - August 10, 2009
Sorry Al
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/08/white-sox-acquire-alex-rios.html
oeosoto - August 10, 2009
Thanks.
My guess is, the Sox will send a player or two who have cleared waivers to Toronto for a PTBNL.
Al Yellon - August 10, 2009
Ricardi
said they will not get anything but contract relief
oeosoto - August 10, 2009
Al now searching for a negative spin on this Sox move.
DrCrawdad - August 10, 2009
Bluebird Banter...
… Seems like many of the posters there don’t especially like getting nothing in return for Rios.
IIRC Rios is a player KW has pined for, for quite awhile. This may also have been a move to block the Tigers – who may have been looking to shed Magglio and replace him with Rios. It strengthens the Sox this season and prepares them for next season, as Dye & Thome could both very well be seeing their final seasons with the Sox.
DrCrawdad - August 10, 2009
Yeah but
with Contreras, Thome and Dotel gone at the end of the year, they’re hardly adding any money. Even the money they’re adding is well-spent. I think the Peavy and Rios deals are good moves.
stuartscottslefteye - August 10, 2009
yeah, if you think about it, KW is just doing all his "FA" shopping now, instead of in the off-season.
Only in these cases, the price tag has already been established. Peavy and Rios were on the shelf, clearly labeled. No hassles, no bargaining, no “well, lemme say what my manager says”, and especially no rustproofing. If these were guys he had wanted for awhile, then these are great moves.
ballhawk - August 10, 2009
And no draft pick compensation for Rios
DrCrawdad - August 10, 2009
CRAWDAD ATTACK!
Let’s hear your take on the move, bud. Dye, Pods, Los. Who goes where?
dtpollitt - August 10, 2009
Yeah right.
I posted my thoughts above on the acquisition, but to quote myself:
If in fact Quentin’s foot (plantar fasciitis) is fine and I suspect it’s not as that condition takes ages to heel then I suspect that there will be a sudden rash of guys to the DL – thanks for The Catch Dwayne Weiss, now fake an injury. They will probably rotate Rios around the OF – spelling mainly Quentin & Pods and occasionally Dye.
I like the move. It improves the Sox defensively and preps them for next year. Dye may very well be on his way out or making his way to DH. Dye’s had a great run with the Sox. And I remember several Cubs fans mocking the signing of Dye – ‘Dye is washed up and on the decline and you know that Jeromy Burnitz is better than Dye…’
DrCrawdad - August 10, 2009
Ugh...
Are White Sox fans really disgracing baseball history by referring to Weiss’s play as “The Catch?”.
Please say that’s just a little creative license that you’re putting in there to anger the baseball gods and not a fanbase-wide movement?
CubsWin!Oregon - August 10, 2009
i believe theres a sign in the cell that says "The Catch"
jesus christos - August 10, 2009
If that's the case...
That makes me want to vomit. Can we get Bud to censure them or something?
CubsWin!Oregon - August 10, 2009
What's better than syrup of ipecac...
In that historic game it was the catch without a doubt.
If you’re concerned about angering the baseball gods, you might want to talk with Cubbie marketeers about this one.
DrCrawdad - August 10, 2009
December 2004 Topic in the Cubs newsgroup: "Dye to the Sox...hahaha"
Who’s had the last laugh?
DrCrawdad - August 10, 2009
Hey Crawdad.
I was singing the praises of KW and Reinsdorf. No one has been able to argue with me as of yet.
stuartscottslefteye - August 10, 2009
nothing = an assload of $ in his contract
santoswoodenlegs - August 10, 2009
Soooooo, lemme get this straight:
The White Sox 4th OFer is about as good as our starting RFer? Right? Rios is one of the best defensive OFers in baseball, his WAR since 2004 is higher, and they produce about the same H/R/HR/RBI/BA? Man, I AM bitter.
dtpollitt - August 10, 2009
who are you saying is there 4th OF
Rios will probably start in CF
oeosoto - August 10, 2009
Well surely not over Dye, and Pods is have another solid year. And Quentin is back now.
dtpollitt - August 10, 2009
Pods cant play CF
Rios can
oeosoto - August 10, 2009
Q, Pods and Rios will be in the OF.
Dye will DH. Kotsay will back up Konerko @ 1B and sub in and out in the OF. Wise is an afterthought.
stuartscottslefteye - August 10, 2009
Jim Thome would like to have a word with you...
ballhawk - August 10, 2009
Yeah, what the hell.
dtpollitt - August 10, 2009
Thome's got one foot out the door.
stuartscottslefteye - August 10, 2009
not until the offseason though. There's still two months left for this season.
ballhawk - August 10, 2009
My point was that
Peavy and Rios are under Sox control for a while – not rentals.
stuartscottslefteye - August 10, 2009
That's a good point...
…but where does Thome fit in your lineup assessment for the rest of this year?
ballhawk - August 10, 2009
Good problem to have
An embarrassment of riches
stuartscottslefteye - August 10, 2009
but Rios is having his worst offensive season in 3 years (94 OPS+)
and his worst defensive season ever (-0.2 UZR/150)
shake n bake - August 10, 2009
I can explain less of Rios' decline.
His BaBIP is down significantly over his career averages, as is his speed, which may be related. He is hitting a lot more infield pop-ups (?!) and as for his defense, ya got me. I have no clue.
dtpollitt - August 10, 2009
Wow Sox have now spent about 115 million in salary in the last two weeks
Does not look like the recession is hurting them.
Doggie Stalker - August 10, 2009
Their just using the sound financial practices of one of their biggest fans.
santoswoodenlegs - August 10, 2009
They're
santoswoodenlegs - August 10, 2009
government bailout of the white sox?
jesus christos - August 10, 2009
and universal contracts
santoswoodenlegs - August 10, 2009
quick, someone tell peter joseph!
jesus christos - August 10, 2009
Obama is a sox fan
oeosoto - August 10, 2009
BLou is a cub fan
santoswoodenlegs - August 10, 2009
fan?!?!?!?!!!???
tootle - August 10, 2009
but what I can't figure out..........
if someone likes how another team is doing and is hating how their fav team is doing.
Why not become a fan of that other team?
Madison Cub Fan - August 10, 2009
unless it's that you need the attention you get by saying off the wall things
But we all know that isn’t Blou problem as he has an active life outside of BCB…..
as he keeps telling us. :)
Madison Cub Fan - August 10, 2009
So should the Cubs brass just quit and go work for the Red Sox?
After they’ve openly praised the Red Sox model of doing things?
I positively love the way the Red Sox have run their entire organization the past five years – strength from a stocked minor league system to a championship ballclub but I’d never consider being a fan of the Red Sox as I’ve no connection to them. I hate Hendry’s free agency crutch and backloaded contracts because they’re bad ideas, but I’m not gonna just quit.
By your rationale I should just switch allegiances?
Gibbon Jockey - August 10, 2009
ummm
we were talking about BLou
tootle - August 10, 2009
he said someone, not BLou
I’m not defending anything that poster is saying as at this point it’s just getting off on attention and trolling.
But there has to be a little respect for being critical of one’s team while admiring another without being told to just go be a fan of another team.
Gibbon Jockey - August 10, 2009
no....
go above to SWL’s statement about BLou is a Cubs fan, I then replied FAN?!?!?!?!?!!??
tootle - August 10, 2009
and BTW
MCF is a lady.
tootle - August 10, 2009
LADY!??!
santoswoodenlegs - August 10, 2009
thank you tootie
SWL you are a smart ass hehehe
Madison Cub Fan - August 10, 2009
LADY when I'm with you I'm smiling...
BleedsbluinMI - August 10, 2009
he/she/it
lord if I know….
Gibbon Jockey - August 10, 2009
thats ok
I don’t live here this season. Im more of a vistor… so I guess there would be a variety of peeps who won’t know me.
Madison Cub Fan - August 10, 2009
She for the record said that.
Jockey for the record although I’m not here nearly as much as I use to be…
I’ve never seen you rout against the Cubs. Nor do I see you or tootie ever saying something and being both wrong and then telling someone they are an ass or my personal fav Go pound sand
Madison Cub Fan - August 10, 2009
or ignoring people when
blatantly wront
tootle - August 10, 2009
give it some time
I’m sure I’ve been wrong and spouted off before – or will. I just try not to make it a habit and most certainly don’t enjoy it.
;)
Gibbon Jockey - August 10, 2009
ALthough I have tried to use go pound sand IRL
and it just didn’t work, I started to giggle.
Madison Cub Fan - August 10, 2009
Did you read my second post???
I directly said BLou in that one.
Madison Cub Fan - August 10, 2009
nope
i missed it. My bad. Thought you were speaking in generalities which is why I replied to your first.
Not interested in stirring up a hornet’s nest here, so i’ll probably just buttowski now, especially since you’re talking about someone else.
Gibbon Jockey - August 10, 2009
That doesn't make any sense.
It’s completely reasonable to admire another team. I like the way the White Sox do stuff, for that matter. Hendry has made mistakes. I think KW (and, probably more accurately, Reinsdorf) do a great job running that team.
stuartscottslefteye - August 10, 2009
dude
follow along the thread……;
before you go accusing me of something.
I apologize for not using his name…. I thought it was obvious who I was talking about. Obviously it wasn’t.
Madison Cub Fan - August 10, 2009
Reading is for losers
as spoken by the great Steve Dahl
stuartscottslefteye - August 10, 2009
6/$60M is money
dtpollitt - August 10, 2009
that's actually a really good move!
SOUR GRAPES ON ME!
lexmarklover - August 10, 2009
I really hope Aramis
gets better soon.
Good luck tonight Gorzo.
sue369 - August 10, 2009
Accompanying caption song:
Fly Like An Eagle by Seal
dtpollitt - August 10, 2009
Is that a remake of the Steve Miller Band song?
or did Seal just rip off the title…
ballhawk - August 10, 2009
Going by memory..
…i think Seal did a cover of “Fly Like An Eagle” for the Space Jam soundtrack.
bikemonkey - August 10, 2009
I wonder of the Rockie chix
get as moist over their de la rosa as the Trixies pining over their lost loves.
Gibbon Jockey - August 10, 2009
Pedro to start for the Phillies this Wednesday @ Wrigley
It will be interesting to see how well he pitches. Of course, I hope the Cubs light him up…
DKT - August 10, 2009
v Spellcheck?
LAcarl519 - August 10, 2009
yup
oeosoto - August 10, 2009
I've got tickets for that one
I’ll be ready for a long night with heavy bullpen usage
Jody Jody Davis - August 10, 2009
Cinci just took two out of three from the Giants...
It sure would be nice if they could do the same in St. Louis. It’s a three game series there right?
More importantly, a Cubs win tonight would be real nice. 5-5 sounds a lot better than 4-6.
cubfanwill - August 10, 2009
maybe cy young lehr will shutdown the cards
jesus christos - August 10, 2009
Any one think we have a chance of going after Guzman for the Nats
he cleared waivers could help us at 2b
oeosoto - August 10, 2009
He'll cost 8 million dollars....I doubt it.
santoswoodenlegs - August 10, 2009
boston might get him
jesus christos - August 10, 2009
I know Boston is interested
and i haven’t heard anything about cubs interest at all I was just having wishful thinking and seeing if anyone else had same thoughts
oeosoto - August 10, 2009
The White Sox are complete idiots.
The just took on Alex Rios’ contract, 60 million until 2014, and the guy is OPSing .744, 59 points LOWER than Milton Bradley. Kenny Williams is an idiot.
Theroid - August 10, 2009
I dunno
if I would call him an idiot. He is trying to get a guy who was a very good player for nothing he is taking a chance
oeosoto - August 10, 2009
i wouldnt say taking on his monstrous contract is "nothing"
jesus christos - August 10, 2009
Sorry....
60 M is not nothing
tootle - August 10, 2009
Do you think Milton Bradley is a very good player?
Because he has better numbers.
Theroid - August 10, 2009
I do actually
I think he had a horrid first half of the season but, yes I think Milton bradley is a good baseball player and has a great on base percentage and may have found his niche with this cubs team finally
oeosoto - August 10, 2009
Oh, I think Bradley is a great player, honestly. I just wouldn't pay him 60 million until 2014.
Theroid - August 10, 2009
Hmmm.....
Kenny Williams is a gambler who very rarely makes mistakes of consequences. Name one prospect he has ever traded away in his deals over the last 9 years that has gone on to amount to a hill of beans in the majors. Also, Williams has $40 million coming off the books next winter in the form of Thome, Dye, Contreras and Dotel. To go along with the $30 million plus he smartly shed last winter in the form of Vasquez, Swisher, Crede, Cabrera and Uribe.
White Sox won a World Series Championship. Until the Cubs can replicate that feat then it is MIGHTY ridiculous to go mocking a franchise that has great ownership, a great front office and a great manager that wins.
BLou - August 10, 2009
Dammit I love the White Sox..
santoswoodenlegs - August 10, 2009
Chris Young.
Hit a HR off Rich Hill in game 3 of the 2007 NLDS. Thats more than a hill of beans. Any other questions?
Theroid - August 10, 2009
But that was off a 2 pitch pitcher...so it only amounts to a hill of rice at the most.
santoswoodenlegs - August 10, 2009
Would that be the same Chris Young who is currently hitting below the Mendoza line????
BLou - August 10, 2009
You said a hill of beans.
I gave you your answer. You were wrong.
Theroid - August 10, 2009
You've fallen for the oldest trick in his bag.
santoswoodenlegs - August 10, 2009
tricksey hobbitses!
jesus christos - August 10, 2009
So you're defending a ballplayer who is hitting .194 ??
Javier Vazquez for Chris Young was solid move by Kenny Williams. And this year Vazquez netted Tyler Flowers from Atlanta, who is the number one prospect in the Sox system now that Beckham has been promoted.
But thanks for playing our game.
BLou - August 10, 2009
Your game is to bait and switch, and to equivocate.
You were wrong. Sorry bud.
Theroid - August 10, 2009
And you are a nutbag
Chris Young sucks. Nuff said. In 9 years of being White Sox GM not once has Williams traded away a prospect who has gone on to have a good career. Not once.
BLou - August 10, 2009
But you didn't say that.
You said a hill of beans. A HR in the NLDS is more than a big of beans. I knew your logic blew, or should I say blou, but wow. Admit you’re wrong, pal.
Theroid - August 10, 2009
Might want to adjust the pipe cleaner attenas stickout out of your tin foil beanie
Chris Young sucks. End of subject.
BLou - August 10, 2009
You don't run anything, this subject isn't over.
Chris Young> a Hill of Beans, and also a Hill of Rich, as I’ve proven. Admit you are wrong.
Theroid - August 10, 2009
I'll leave it to Hawk and Ozzie to make a mockery of the White Sox, thank you
CaliCub - August 10, 2009
Cannot argue with that
White Sox are not my team, but I respect the teams that they put together. In that park Rios will play an above average CF/RF and hit about 30 – 35 HR’s a year. It is a quality move.
louslovechild - August 10, 2009
30-35 HRS?!?
His career average is 16 HR’s, and he’s never hit more than 24. He hit 15 last year. Why the hell would he hit 30-35?
Theroid - August 10, 2009
Because Kenny Williams will tell him to.
santoswoodenlegs - August 10, 2009
Also, he traded Nick Masset for Ken Griffey.
Masset has been a darn good reliever for the reds.
Theroid - August 10, 2009
Would that be the same Reds who are currently 12.5 games out of first place????
santoswoodenlegs - August 10, 2009
So a reliever can't be good on a bad team?
Heath Bell must suck…
Theroid - August 10, 2009
Two Words
Joakim Soria
memphiscub - August 10, 2009
Miles and Heilman for Soria, straight up
chilango2 - August 10, 2009
See above.
santoswoodenlegs - August 10, 2009
Does trading Keith Foulke for Billy Koch count?
It was in December of 2002 so I don’t know if Kenny was in charge then.
Curtain Jerker - August 10, 2009
he was in charge then
jesus christos - August 10, 2009
BLou will most likely point out that Foulke wasn't a prospect when he was traded for Koch.
santoswoodenlegs - August 10, 2009
Talk about moving the goalposts, right?
Curtain Jerker - August 10, 2009
....
shake n bake - August 10, 2009
I'm going through the White Sox transaction log (I love research)
and here’s one…
7/18/04: Acquired OF Carl Everett and cash considerations from Montreal in exchange for minor league RHP Jon Rauch and RHP Gary Majewski.
I’ll let you know when I find more.
Curtain Jerker - August 10, 2009
It won't matter...
He’s going to simply tell you whoever you find are/were not good players and that you’re wrong. You are wasting your time.
santoswoodenlegs - August 10, 2009
maybe he just enjoys the research
Madison Cub Fan - August 10, 2009
OK...but he should know ahead of time that it's going to be a fruitless endeavor...
if he thinks it’s going to prove anything to BLou.
santoswoodenlegs - August 10, 2009
true.......
I can’t imagine needing attention that badly for this many years. That’s just out there.
Madison Cub Fan - August 10, 2009
I do enjoy the research
helps kill time until first pitch.
Anyway, here’s another one: 12/13/05 Acquired INF Rob Mackowiak from the Pittsburgh Pirates in exchange for LHP Damaso Marte
Marte has been bad in the Bronx, but he was pretty good in Pittsburgh in 2006 and especially 2007.
Curtain Jerker - August 10, 2009
This isn't PITTSBURGH!
santoswoodenlegs - August 10, 2009
yeah....
he was talking about the Major Leagues
tootle - August 10, 2009
Anybody else picture Harvey Weinstein/Weingard?
Flatley - August 10, 2009
Good point
I didn’t want to get too current, as it is tough to say how a prospect pans out in 2-4 years.
I didn’t go through this because I think Kenny Williams is a bad GM. I think he’s a very good GM whose made more than he’s missed. Is he a perfect GM who gets EVERY move right? No. That guy doesn’t exist.
Take Boston, a very well-run franchise. Even they’ve made mistakes (Renteria, Clement and the 100 million dollar bag of suck that is Daisuke)
Curtain Jerker - August 10, 2009
what a great GM.
Theroid - August 10, 2009
I don't know about all that.
The Cubs have made the playoffs as many times as the Pale Hose this decade, and honestly, while I’m taking nothing away from their World Series win, isn’t the measure of a well-run franchise that the team is in a position to contend for a championship more often than not? If the team chokes when their moment arrives, I don’t see how that can be laid at the feet of the GM.
If Doug Eddings had gotten the call right in Game 2 of the ALCS, and the Sox had gone on to lose the game and later the series, that wouldn’t have been KW’s fault. Just like it wasn’t Hendry’s fault his guys forgot how to field the ball last year, or that Alex Gonzalez muffed a routine DP ball in ’03.
Using their (sorta) recent success in the postseason as a barometer of greatness for the White Sox must mean that the Yankees are dog feces, because they haven’t won a title since Clinton was President. In fact, I’d rate ‘05 as a great year for the Sox, but for consistently fielding a winning team that plays the game right on a mid-market budget, I’d rank the Twins ahead of the White Sox.
Goodie1969 - August 10, 2009
BTW
your user name, sir, is an epic win.
Goodie1969 - August 10, 2009
LOL thanks.
Theroid - August 10, 2009
No, he's a RIVERBOAT GAMBLER!!!
santoswoodenlegs - August 10, 2009
reply fail....
this is in response to Theriod
santoswoodenlegs - August 10, 2009
83 wins
…and the ship be sinking.
BLou - August 10, 2009
cool dude
jesus christos - August 10, 2009
So glad your still happy.
santoswoodenlegs - August 10, 2009
BLou posting
without it being directly after a loss? Will he stick around for a game thread if the Cubs are doing well?
Spotacus - August 10, 2009
We all know the answer to that one
Curtain Jerker - August 10, 2009
He almost NEVER gets involved in a gamethread.
santoswoodenlegs - August 10, 2009
They're too highbrow for me....
BLou - August 10, 2009
he obviously has a full life
and would not have time for that
sgerring21 - August 10, 2009
Well, shiiiiiiiiit.
I don’t, I’LL BE THERE!
dtpollitt - August 10, 2009
Anything Under 87 Wins...
and the Cubs won’t have any reasonable chance of making the playoffs.
memphiscub - August 10, 2009
3756 posts
…and the beat hasn’t changed.
santoswoodenlegs - August 10, 2009
That Doesn't Count...
the posts made as MDBNIU.
memphiscub - August 10, 2009
also as BM
sue369 - August 10, 2009
and wasn't there another one in between there?
Madison Cub Fan - August 10, 2009
Yeah...but it didn't last long.
santoswoodenlegs - August 10, 2009
TWSS
Madison Cub Fan - August 10, 2009
well done girlfriend!
santoswoodenlegs - August 10, 2009
ty
Madison Cub Fan - August 10, 2009
Lineup's up
chilango2 - August 10, 2009
My god.
dtpollitt - August 10, 2009
what?
you like the fail that seems imminent? (not that it is, that’s why they play the games….)
tootle - August 10, 2009
Just not the offensive juggernaut I envisioned when 2009 started.
dtpollitt - August 10, 2009
Yipee a Fuld sighting
Doggie Stalker - August 10, 2009
Would be nice to see Soto get back on track tonight
17 hits was great yesterday, we just need more RUNS.
DKT - August 10, 2009
Better Defense
That would help the Cubs a lot, too. They haven’t fielded well in Colorado.
memphiscub - August 10, 2009
they are worse then not well it has been awful
oeosoto - August 10, 2009
+1
memphiscub - August 10, 2009
you have officially lost your mind lou!
lexmarklover - August 10, 2009
I like it
Milton, Lee, and Riot are the top 3 of the lineup in OBP (ignoring Gorz’s 4 PA and Fuld’s 30)and Fox, Sori and Baker have had good power this year.
shake n bake - August 10, 2009
One of these day's I'm gonna make a list of every damn time MLB starts baseball games at.
Another reason MLB is run by douchebag idiots. 740 pm? WTF.
dtpollitt - August 10, 2009
MLB is like the cable company....the game will start sometime between 1:00pm and 7:45pm
santoswoodenlegs - August 10, 2009
huh?
Theroid - August 10, 2009
Severe thunderstorm warning in Denver until 12:00
according to Twittermeyer
Fukudometer - August 10, 2009
yippee
jesus christos - August 10, 2009
I'm here in Denver
and the weather is perfect. Every afternoon we have “scattered” thunderstorms, but it looks pretty dry outside this afternoon. Nothing to worry about…
DKT - August 10, 2009
Ok, BCB, what's your oper/under for Cubs runs tonights
with this, uh, interesting lineup?
I’ll take 7.
davidalanu - August 10, 2009
'scuse me, OVER/ under
davidalanu - August 10, 2009
You're setting the line?
Theroid - August 10, 2009
"Mortimer, Mr. Valentine has set the market..."
ballhawk - August 10, 2009
"Well done, William.
Very well done."
Goodie1969 - August 10, 2009
trading places reference, +5 pts. well done, sir
davidalanu - August 10, 2009
I'm taking the under.
Very uninspired ball lately.
stuartscottslefteye - August 10, 2009
I also say under :(
Madison Cub Fan - August 10, 2009
If the Blue Jays can do this to Alex Rios, why can't the Cubs dump Aaron Miles?
Give him to the Padres… they might want his expertise
lexmarklover - August 10, 2009
then who do the cubs fans have to hate?
jesus christos - August 10, 2009
Uh, Milton Bradley, duh.
dtpollitt - August 10, 2009
too easy..
jesus christos - August 10, 2009
Aaron Heilman's "fan" club
would like a word
chitownhawkeye - August 10, 2009
that settles that
get it done jimbo
jesus christos - August 10, 2009
Dusty Baker
stuartscottslefteye - August 10, 2009
We will still have one Aaron too many.
Goodie1969 - August 10, 2009
Yep
Are you a member of the Just say to No to Aaron’s fanclub?
Madison Cub Fan - August 10, 2009
There's a club?
I can’t imagine it’s very exclusive.
Goodie1969 - August 10, 2009
No it isn't
someone (maybe nij?) has signture line saying that…
and i was in a pregame thread the day Miles was activated…. So I decided to start a club. No dues, and no it isn’t exclusive
Madison Cub Fan - August 10, 2009
You may have made a mistake on that last word there... ;-)
stuartscottslefteye - August 10, 2009
that implies
that someone wants Aaron’s services
tootle - August 10, 2009
I watched him legging out the triple the other night
and initially thought “damn, he’s fast,” but then realized that it was an illusion – he just takes two strides for every one stride a grown-up makes
stuartscottslefteye - August 10, 2009
I love the sox. I think Ozzie is hot. Damn what I would do that.
StuScotteye earlier in thread – " Hey Crawdad. I was singing the praises of KW and Reinsdorf. No one has been able to argue with me as of yet."
Hmmm…Who Cares???
BleedsbluinMI - August 10, 2009
heh thats cool
jesus christos - August 10, 2009
Apparently you do.
There’s a reason it wasn’t addressed to you.
stuartscottslefteye - August 10, 2009
and yet on a blog for all to see...
BleedsbluinMI - August 10, 2009
What's your beef with me?
Simmer down, pot roast.
stuartscottslefteye - August 10, 2009
heeheh
pot roast
eheheh
jesus christos - August 10, 2009
he doesn't have a beef...
I think he’s just pointing out an obvious fact…….
Madison Cub Fan - August 10, 2009
and being funny
Madison Cub Fan - August 10, 2009
Over my head, apparently.
What’s the obvious point? Can we not discuss baseball en toto, or is this strictly a Cubs board? As I’ve said befire, I’ve been here a long while, but as a different screen name. I’m a HUGE Cubs fan.
It just seems to me that some are so easily threatened on this site
stuartscottslefteye - August 10, 2009
no you addressed someone specific
he said he didn’t care.
You then thought he had a beef w/ you
His point that it is a message board… other people might comment on somehting you say to someone specific and not to get your panties in a bundle
NOT QUESTIONING YOUR FANHOOD.
Madison Cub Fan - August 10, 2009
Please don't start the Cubs fans are threatened by the Sox
No, the Sox fans are threatened by the Cubs. Enough of that in the media way overblown. Don’t care to see that here. Sox are a good organization, lots of respect. Chicago is lucky ro have two good orgs on town. Would rather stick to the Cubs here, as it is a Cubs blog. My opinion.
BleedsbluinMI - August 10, 2009
Yeah I can see that, and I totally agree that
Sox fans are totally preoccupied with the Cubs. Little brother syndrome.
stuartscottslefteye - August 10, 2009
same with bandwagon brewer fans
The ones that have been brewer fans all their lives don’t seem to be. At least in my experience that is what it seems to be.
Madison Cub Fan - August 10, 2009
Yes, but it does go both ways sometimes.
We have more than enough to argue about in house. That’s my point, again, my opinion.
BleedsbluinMI - August 10, 2009
That's what I'm saying - I wasn't arguing
and didn’t mean to crap in anyone’s Cheerios. Just making a point
stuartscottslefteye - August 10, 2009
How about the Cubs just go ahead and win tonight???
BleedsbluinMI - August 10, 2009
+1
Lemme buy you a beer…
stuartscottslefteye - August 10, 2009
Bud please. No, no, make it an Old Style!
BleedsbluinMI - August 10, 2009
Atta boy -
but only if you bring that chick in your avatar
stuartscottslefteye - August 10, 2009
if only...
BleedsbluinMI - August 10, 2009
I like pot roast.
With lots of peas.
BleedsbluinMI - August 10, 2009
my mom use to put lots of peas, carrots and potatoes in hers
Madison Cub Fan - August 10, 2009
Connie's has great pot roast.
Used to get it all the time @ the location in Lisle on Ogden Ave.
stuartscottslefteye - August 10, 2009
Ya. No beef, see Madison Cub Fan's repsonse, she's correct.
BleedsbluinMI - August 10, 2009
did you grow up in MI?
I see you are both Cub/Packer fan.
Along w/ pot roast did you have tator tot casserole?
Madison Cub Fan - August 10, 2009
wow you've amused me twice in one thread MI
Madison Cub Fan - August 10, 2009
I work hard for the money.
BleedsbluinMI - August 10, 2009
and Go Cubs, we need a W tonight!!
BleedsbluinMI - August 10, 2009
gah...
now I’ve got a song stuck in my head.
tootle - August 10, 2009
I didn't until you pointed that out
grrr to tootie
Madison Cub Fan - August 10, 2009
Little OT
I rarely ever see webgems (as I don’t have cable/ dish etc) but over the weekend Cedano had one for the Pirates
Madison Cub Fan - August 10, 2009
nothing is ever off topic here @ BCB
tootle - August 10, 2009
ESPECIALLY IF IT INVOLVES ADAM LIND!!!!
ballhawk - August 10, 2009
I think that happened on my bcb sabbitical
Madison Cub Fan - August 10, 2009
coupla weeks ago
search Eric Hanna
tootle - August 10, 2009
BOY IT SURE IS LINDY OUT THERE
jesus christos - August 10, 2009
do you mean "Triple Lindy"?
ballhawk - August 10, 2009
WELCOME TO THE LINDY CITY OF CHICAGO
jesus christos - August 10, 2009
Geeze...
Lou seemed pretty exasperated during the pre-game interview. Talked about how getting healthy seems almost impossible, and how the next two weeks will tell a lot about what’s going to happen. He didn’t seem too confident about much really.
CubsBullsBears - August 10, 2009
Yeah he seemes exasperated.
Like he was tired of talking abiut Z; and specifically pointing out that his MRI hasn’t shown anything wrong with his back in a long time
stuartscottslefteye - August 10, 2009
Personally I think Lou's been tired most of the year :(
Madison Cub Fan - August 10, 2009
Think this season is it for him, win or lose?
That’s been a hot topic on radio lately.
stuartscottslefteye - August 10, 2009
probably
it’s gotta be a frustrating year for him.
tootle - August 10, 2009
And everyone else
stuartscottslefteye - August 10, 2009
I was talking to a friend about that...
Yeah I think so. But I wonder if Ryno is ready for major league managing yet?
Madison Cub Fan - August 10, 2009
sign Trammel or Brenly for a 2-3 year contract
and try to get Ryno in there as one of the coaches.
ballhawk - August 10, 2009
HOLY SHIT!
stuartscottslefteye - August 10, 2009
what is it
jesus christos - August 10, 2009
That ballhawk & I were thinking the exact same thing
at the same time
stuartscottslefteye - August 10, 2009
Well, I'll take the Holy side of that - you can be the Shit... ;-)
ballhawk - August 10, 2009
Story of my life...
stuartscottslefteye - August 10, 2009
And the managing merry-go-round continues
The Cubs will never win anything if they keep changing managers ever few years.
Not Bruce Froemming - August 10, 2009
No but Brenly is
And Trammel has experience
stuartscottslefteye - August 10, 2009
Lou does seem absolutely exhausted
cubfanwill - August 10, 2009
Of course Lou's exhausted
He had to sprint from the dugout all the way to second base yesterday for that argument.
DKT - August 10, 2009
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090809&content_id=6335104&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc
he should be well rested after that nap though
jesus christos - August 10, 2009
Took a nap.
He’s already checked out this season. That doesn’t inspire me at all.
stuartscottslefteye - August 10, 2009
in his defense, i wouldnt want to watch that game either
jesus christos - August 10, 2009
That's what I did late in that game too
shake n bake - August 10, 2009
that call was absolutely horrendous
tootle - August 10, 2009
DO WE HAVE A THREAD YET?
stuartscottslefteye - August 10, 2009
It's on the main page
I can’t figure out how to post a link, or I’d hook you all up – sorry
stuartscottslefteye - August 10, 2009
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/8/10/983863/first-pitch-thread-cubs-vs-rockies
jesus christos - August 10, 2009
sonofa......
You know……sometimes i do think were cursed. Is there anyone else on the friggin team that wants to get injured??? Just asking……get it over with NOW!!!!
Save me the cardiac arrest in september…….
SoN of a GuN - August 10, 2009
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