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Overflow Thread 2: Cubs vs. Phillies, Thursday 8/13, 1:20 CT

From Thursday's game.

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Jim Belushi

Let the pile-on begin.

Miles strikes out looking...what a surprise!

Plus, Ryan Dempster is not very good. He is a one year wonder a la Chan Ho Park.

didn't

Chan Ho set us down pretty easily the couple of times we have faced him?

Yes...

He looked like Pedro in 1999…altough last night Pedro looked like Pedro of 1999.

a sign that Demp should go back to the pen?
I cant believe

how horribly awful Miles is.His batting stance annoys the HELL out of me too

Chili....I really want some good chili for dinner.
make some then
I am thinking burger & fries
I had a chipotle chicken breast for lunch.

it tasted real well until about 45 minutes ago.

I may have to soothe my depression with frozen yogurt this afternoon.

Wouldn't it be better to be called the Miles Pothole? or something relate to driving/miles

you want to connote his utter failure. but I like the idea

I had some sushi for the first time last week, it was really good.
What's worse: Running Belushi or running sushi?
I'm all for dumping Miles immediately

but you just KNOW he’d go back to the Cardinals and wear us out.

Its worth the risk.
the Cardinals could have had him back if they'd wanted

they didn’t

Hendry's Miles-for-DeRosa swap.

It’s almost exactly like Eric Cartman trying to get his $6.12 back from Scott Tenorman.

STL: OK, you take Miles, and give DeRosa to CLE.
HENDRY: OK.
STL: And CLE gives YOU these three pitching prospects.
HENDRY: OK, I follow…
STL: And now CLE gives DeRosa $2.5 million dollars.
HENDRY: Okaaaay….
STL: And now I give CLE two prospects, and I take DeRosa.
HENDRY: Yeah….
STL: And now I give DeRosa $2.5 million dollars.
HENDRY: I think I get it….
STL: And now YOU give Aaron Miles five million dollars.
HENDRY: Coool. Wait, what?
STL: /slams door in HENDRY’S face.

Doubly lucky, I am!

Can’t see the game at work and my Extra Innings Channels crapped oit today so I cannot watch the game!

The Miles Line

Link

Wow it would truly impressive to get a stat named after you!
Ice Berg on the mound!
Lettuce welcome him to the Cubs!
Hello Berg...welcome to the Major Leagues! Now pitch to Ryan Howard.
Please stop this 7th inning stretch garbage!

It’s not enjoyable at all. Plus, the game becomes less important than the guest, which is ridiculous.

+1 billion
That would definitely get you a BCB snuggie.
This game sort of did that on it's own.
Hopefully Ricketts is taking a lot of notes
Talking with a Philly fan at the game last night...

… when Santo got up to sign, the Philly fan said to me “That is so cool that they honor the song, and Harry, by having a Cubs legend sign the song.”

I could only face palm…

why?

Ron should sing it every day.

I 100% agree

I was meaning the fact that Santo, or Ernie, or Billy, etc, doesn’t sing it every day and that we get to hear every C list celebrity this side of Jim Belushi sing day in and day out.

oh

I see.

Wasn't real clear in my orginal post
What's even worse is that we then have to listen to...

…the C list celebrity blather on and on for the next inning-a lot of times its downright painful. Thank God for the mute button.

ugh

Looks like I missed a dandy of a game so far

Ice Berg.............cool.
Justin Berg - our Chevrolet player of the game!
I vote Aaron Miles...

He saw three pitches. How the hell did that guy hit .317 last year?

Theriot did eclipse his career high in RBI today

meaning he’s third on the team in RBI and 4 behind Soriano for second.

...and only 56 behind Albert Pujols...
where does theRiot stand in errors?
usually between 2nd and 3rd base.
Usually somewhere in shallow left field.

GOOD GOD!!

Only 56 ahead of Pujols.
Theriot has 13, Albert 9
Albert doesn't get to throw the ball to Derrek Lee either...
Shhhhhh...

…we don’t want to expose Theriot.

albert doesnt have to throw the ball to anybody

your obsession with theriot is disturbing. He is not even close to the cubs problem.

I wish we had 8 more just like him.
I'm actually a Theriot fan.

Not to start this whole arguement again, but you have to agree that without DLee at first Theriot’s error total would probably be close to double.

Stand OOO for Berg

A BD and a K.

Nice work there son!

Really poor ABs by the Phillies

But can’t argue with the results.

Is that like a Horshack thing?
Was Aaron Miles just an early aquisition under the Cash for Clunker's program?
you mean clunkers for Cash?
Who else thinks Soto is a one year wonder?
I'm wondering about him this year....yeah.
larger sample is still him playing very well.
Maybe he is, maybe he isn't.

Hard to tell from this season.

Not until he plays a third year...

…will I wonder. There’s a lot of cobwebs from the 100-year failure that still need to be kicked out.

I think he comes back in shape...

..and has a monster year next year.

Pear is a shape too.
that's pleasing on women.
Right, he'll come back as a Pear Monster.
rarrhhr!

That's Geo's 2010 baseball card.
that is my hope
I'll take rick wilkins for 100 alex
I actually think not

I believe he’ll get more serious about his offseason conditioning and come back next year stronger and more fit. We’ll know I’m right when Muskrat talks about it in Spring Training next year.

Who knows?

I’ll give him another year to get it together before I’m ready to jump ship on him. Right now though, it doesn’t look good. Most disturbing is that he apparently lacks the self discipline to stay in shape.

you could be right as well

either way, we’ll be on the same boat.

If he turns it around, great, if he comes back the same tub of crap then that ship has sailed.

I expect

that if he comes back next year with the same issues, he may very well be moved.

I give up! You should too!

Face it…odds are even if we make a surge and win the division…we’ll probably have to play Philly or L.A. in the first round…and they’ll roll the Cubs sorry ass!

It hurts to say it

I'd take my chances with LA

They’re not playing too well right now, either. Plus, a little revenge would be nice.

Sure I'd take the playoffs too

and I’d rather start on the road than at our House of Horrors…

Ditto.

They just had a losing homestand, and the Giants are breathing down their neck.

As I've said before

if you need to step away, then fine. No shame in that.

But it’s not over till we’re mathematically eliminated. There’s 50 games left in the season.

50 more chances for Aaron Miles to start hitting.
fie!

a pox on you

amen bruddah
So you're telling me there's a chance

God not the Giants…Lincecum and Cain…down 0-2 real quick

yes

there’s a chance.

Sorry Drew

Sometimes I think you gotta give your team a courtesy flush.

Respect though

lol

sorry, all I can think of is “Excuse me, could you flush me?” “But of course.” :D

The Cubs could play the Toledo Mudhens and get destroyed in the playoffs...

They’ve played like a bunch of pansies in the postseason.

Some of that...

Has to be put on the manager.

There's optimism and realism

It’s just as silly to say, “10 games back with 12 to play! We’re still in it!” as it is to say “Two games out on Memorial Day — Season OVER!”

I suppose.

but we’re not in either situation here now anyway.

It's weird...

Last year, I remember thinking the same thing. The Diamondbacks had Webb, Haren, and Johnson. Had they faced the Mets, Santana would have killed them in game 1. Heck, the Dodgers with the mighty pitching of Derek Lowe, Chad Billingsley, and Hiroki Koruda destroyed the Cubs.

But the Cubs had the mighty Ryan Dempster to crap his pants in game 1, and to make it even better, he was slapped with a $52 million contract as a reward.

Has any other team gone 0-6 in consecutive postseasons?

Houston was worse in the 90s

i believe…

Really? What did they do?
2-12 in the playoffs for '97-'99 and 2001

swept twice…lost 3-1 other times…that’s bad…

That's pretty bad
I think the Angels lost 8 straight postseason games

3 in ’05, 3 in ’07, and 2 last year

Didnt' the Rangers get pummelled in the 90's in the postseason?
dont forget

while not back-to-back, they are 0 for their last 9 dating back to 03

Yep...

It makes me shake my head in absolute disgust. At least in 03, they won a series, hell they won 1 DAMN GAME.

i try not to think about it

but at times like these it seems like all the negative stuff comes to mind.

and how many guys from the 03 team

are on this team? Two? Cmon. They’re not the same team.

Yeah...

They’re worse.

while thats true

IF they were to make the playoffs the media would harp on that just the same as they do the 101 years in which none of these guys are responsible for more than 6 or 7

yeah, well. the media is full of idiots. Look at the ESPN baseball team.
again...very true
It's days like this...

…that I’m glad for MLB The Show.

amen
Though...

…I was up 8-3 on the Dodgers in the eighth. I end up losing 12-9 in 12 innings. That was painful.

they kill you IRL and in the game, i guess
It seems like it sometimes.

We split the series, though! And we have the same record now: 31-20.

The curse of Cubs fandom

Lee's pitch count at 115

He’ll be out of the game soon

Wow, that's pretty high.
the game will be over soon.
You mean the 9th inning will be over soon

The game’s been over for a while.

Great photo for this thead

Let all you fact ignoring folks explain this series away!

Don't you get

tired of that dark cloud hanging over your head?

Sue I like you

But really if you don’t understand this general frustration of this whole situation then please respect the fact that some may feel differently than you.

I expect the “shut the@&$/ up” comments from nbd and drew but not from you. Maybe that’s how you roll and I just expected more from you than you really can give.

when have I said

"shut the@&$/ up"?

I do understand the frustration.

The way you and others post here feels like you are scolding those of us who don’t whine and bitch about this team. If you only posted your frustration once would be fine but you keep coming back every few innings with the same thing. That’s wheat gets old.

picture fail

just calm down.

what a brutal series
Just got back from school

I was really hoping the Cubs were going to win today

How about you play baseball and the Cubs go back to school?
LOL @ Theriot.
That was amusing.

Dream it, live it.

I thought the pitcher was going to cut that off...
(LOL @ Theriot) x 2
my kingdome for a shortstop with an arm

and major league skills

I'd give up .30 of BA for a SS with range and arm.
Andres Blanco?
That's more than .30 of BA
Cesar Izturis?

Neifi Perez? Andres Blanco?

Figure out how to get J.J. Hardy from the Brewers.
NO!!!!
Wh...why?
Hardy is horrible
At the plate this year, yeah.

Though he does have 11 home runs. But he was pretty good last year and still relatively young.

isn't Hardy fairly bad at defense?
Mmmmm...no. He's very, very good.
Why did he get sent down?
He ate Fielders Cheetos.
He wasn't hitting.
Hardy is fairly bad at everything
Could you be more specific?
I don't know

I really don’t know how to interpret fielding statistics other than fielding %, and that’s at league average.

OK.
I look at him as Khalil Greene

basically

I'd have to compare their numbers side by side.

But I’m pretty sure he was a far better hitter than Greene last season.

No he's not. Great fielder, streaky hitter
good luck with that
you'd probably be getting a better base runner too.

there’s no denying that Theriot is a decent hitter, but he’s lacking in many other categories

the ONLY thing he excels at is hitting.
so Theriot is just a tool, not a 5-tool guy?
and one could make the argument that "excels" is being generous

He has a nice average, but his OBP is awful, and his slugging isn’t good. Christian freaking Guzman has a higher slugging percentage

relative to baserunning, catching and throwing.....

he EXCELS at hitting.

okay, got me there
Theriot is a completely serviceable

2nd baseman and 8 hitter.

In fact, that’s what he would really excel at. IMO. But the Cubs can’t see that.

I agree with that
wow

I’m suprised how much of a gap there is between the cubs and the phillies right now. The only close game was when we nearly threw and perfect game and still lost. If we don’t sweep the pirates this team is done.

Justin Berg.....nice job
im going camping for the weekend so I probably wont get a chance to watch em now till monday.

I honestly wouldn’t be surprised to see that they are 6 back when I return.

The Fat lady She is warmed

I believe since the 5th inning.

she pooted in the 5th innning

same thing as over…

Here comes the 6 run inning!
I could see that (grabbing meds)
Come on Sori, 5 run HR
Right down the middle
Well, outside corner.
yeah, upon further review
Ron just said Soriano's an out everytime he goes up there
2 for his last 24, so technically Ron's full of shit
Lot of hating on Ron lately

Not really approving of it.

of course, mine was sarcasm
Fair enough

But still… Ron is a bit of a goof, but he’s OUR goof.

Kind of like Badger

Soto sucks...

Plus, he’s trying to look like Prince Fielder.

At least the Cubs were competitive

for ONE of the three games!
Silver lining.

No...There is no silver lining when you're swept
There is no silver lining

I’ve got no problem with “OK, let’s get them tomorrow”

But let’s not sugarcoat a piece of baboon feces here, OK?

Sarcasm

it’s what’s for dinner.

RALLY TIME!

:D

Six-run homer for Muffin Man!
Keep the faith
Jeff Baker is the offensive MVP of this series.

That does not make me very happy. That’s all I’m saying.

Hitting .310 as a Cub....I'll take it
Me too.

Just wish we had some hitting in a rather big series from the usual suspects is all.

A spark starts a fire!
Legsie, my friend

I think you need “Confucius say:” before 76 percent of your posts.

My first stat!

At least Lou's already used Miles!
i have no problem with muffin man replacing fontenot as the starting 2b

LH RH matchups be damned

Absolutely

He is 9 for his last 12.

fitting way to end the game
GAME OVER!!!

THAT F’NG SUCKED

and there you have it....
Well.........at least the Pirates are coming to town.
this. isn't. pittsburgh.
Yep

Let’s slap around a last-place team and feel good again, forgetting that the team SUCKS against anyone with a pulse.

I know, I know.

I can’t read another article on what Jay Cutler is having for breakfast and how fast he drives to work is all. Have to keep the faith, Worf!

Personally, I think it's a bit of a leap to expect us to slap around anybody right now...

…bad team or not.

Absolutely

it would really serve these guys right if they are looking at Pittsburgh as creme puffs and lose 2 of 3.

That would suck, but it would serve them right.

Agreed

At one point over the last few games my buddy and I were discussing the fact that we still cared when it seems as if no one who wears the jersey actually does anymore. I know that’s a fairly harsh generalization, but it doesn’t seem far from the truth.

Well, I feel sufficiently apathetic right now.

Have a good night everyone. Get ’em tomorrow, I suppose.

Guten Nacht!
Just like Stoney in '04

it’s clearly Brenly’s fault that the Cubs are the most disappointing team in baseball.

We CAN'T

be the franchise that runs off two color-commentators for meanieness. We just can’t.

it happens

so lighten up francis

No, it doesn't happen

So, bite me, Murgatroyd

Heavens!

Pot Roast still makes me laugh.

and hungry.

Then I eat it and I’m not hungry.

But I still laugh.

if Brenly would get canned that would be a joke

he should be promoted. It cant get worse than this.

I want a manager to come in here and play the best 9 guys everday, salary be damned. That means benching Soriano till he decides he wants to be a legitimate outfielder and a winning baseball player.

just as a mental exercise, I'll ask

so, you bench Soriano. He takes no live pitching, sees no live plays in the field.

How, then, do you tell when he “wants” to be a legitimate player?

I'll wager the correct answer (or the one wanted)

is when Soriano publicly apologies for being lazy and a guess hitting hack, and then promises to grit his teeth and try harder.

and be ready to play at a moments notice.
does he need

to nail himself to the cross, or will he have help?

You're right, drew

There is no real good solution to getting Soriano to hustle and earn his contract.

We’re just stuck with him

well, you see if he puts in the effort

does he work with the coaches on getting better jumps? Does he work with the hitting coach, try new things, maybe use a lighter bat? If he does those things before games, in spring training etc you give him another shot. If he reverts back to form, you yank him again.

I dont believe Soriano is lazy. Lazy means you dont want to put in the effort. I think Soriano’s problem is that he doesnt believe he NEEDS to put in the effort, that somehow his immense talents will simply carry him. I also believe he thinks numbers are an indicator of his worth to the team.

His play, in all facets of the game this season has been putrid. If he shows no ability or desire to improve on that, he is hurting the team and he deserves to be benched.

in spring training?

you’re going to bench a perennial all star and key player for a year?

jebus.

So that means you'd be benching Soriano forever

Not that I necessarily have a problem with that.

Not solely to pick on Soriano

same would apply to Geo. Does he put in the effort to get back in shape and help this ball club. If not, relegate him to back up catcher.

It would apply to Zambrano as well. Is he making every effort to improve or is he spending his time playing home run derby?

now I wonder

if you’re watching the same players the rest of us are.

in a little over an hour ill get off work

till then I’ll have to stay sober…..:(

Cubs loose...

I think they're actually pretty tight.

especially with RISP

ill ask him for you
Why ask him, aren't you him?
no

hes my dad

typical cub fan

living off daddy.

u mad
Seriously?

gosh no I’m not mad. Just being silly.

Not to get into Theology

But Jesus was God, its the holy trinity, Father, Son, Holy Spirit. All God, just different forms of God.

you just got into Theology.
Yeah, well...

That’s what going to a Catholic university get ya, I suppose. Three mandatory theology classes.

Not to get into Theology

but not all Christian offshoots believe that.

Or as I like to call it

Daddy-O, Junior and The Spook.

loose?

they should be tight?

It's kinda late here so maybe, just maybe one O too many snuck in
You're asking the wrong guy.
how do you know its a guy?
For the sake of not getting into it with you....

I’ll just say I’m convinced.

The question is rhetorical, assuming we share convictions...
looks like Ryan Braun's kid
I'm going to make a fan post
Nooooooooooooooo!!!!
in the the yahoo gamecast

Jeff Baker and his glorious 2-2 got the nod for top hitter for the cubs

feel free to vent here

http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/8/11/986167/come-here-and-vent

ruthless self promotion.
Seriously, is someone getting a Coors kickback?
is that Paul Rudd?
Oh well, go get 'em tomorrow.

At least it’ll be a somewhat competitive affair. A couple AAA clubs trading failure.

Yeah, but one of those teams spent $100 million more.
Not my $100 million

so that doesn’t bug me.

That's what all that beer money is for!
Look at it this way.

Even if the Cubs were healthy and playing well right now, there’s a good chance they would’ve gotten beat by a hot Phillies offense and Cliff Lee. It’s a damn shame, but so it goes.

but they would have likely been able to win the other two games.
True, I just hope no one is surprised by this result.
It sure seems to me like I've seen quite a bit of "well we were going to lose this anyway"

posts this season. And while I’m not saying you are one of them daver, they are usually by the same people who think we’re going to win the division.

I just don’t understand how those people don’t see the irony. Cliff Lee is not god. Tim Lincecum is not god. They have been beaten before, and good teams find a way to do that.

you understand that the Phillies offense WASN'T hot coming into Chicago right?

our pitching got them well

It's not so much the losing that gets me

It’s looking so completely inept that brings out my i"nner ledgejumper".

They didn't get hot against Rich Harden.

And it’s really not surprising that a team like the Phillies would get hot against an underdeveloped Jeff Samardzija and exhausted Sean Marshall.

Yeah, I don't think too many of us (except, maybe, Lou)

…were caught too much by surprise by the Spellcheck massacre.

Onedec returns tomorrow!

Maybe Cedeno and Miles will collide at some point. This weekend could be like watching a demolition derby the way these two teams are playing.

I would trade Miles for Cedeno AND throw in Heilman....and pay both their salaries.
And then I'd slap Cedeno!

WIN-WIN-WIN!

Time for Bill?

Maybe he should hit Lou with that broom…

shouldn't the flashing sign read, "CUBS FAIL!" :-(
I like it -- maybe delusion is the way to go

We win! We’re going all the way!

Reality isn’t working out so well, anyway.

Oh, before I forget.

coach

now I know whose anus had Bill's broom lodged in it
absolutly have to win 5 of the next 6 against the Pirates and Pads

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