Chris DeLuca has an outstanding column today reminding all of us exactly why this team needs Carlos Zambrano:
If Cubs fans have any sense, they will give Zambrano a warm reception. If the Cubs are going to pull out of their doldrums and win a third consecutive division title, they'll need Zambrano.
Really.
Zambrano pitched five scoreless innings against the Clinton Lumberjacks, allowing four hits, striking out five and walking none. After throwing 76 pitches (54 strikes), he said his back was fine, then flexed his muscle to show he's not as lazy as people think.
He was particularly upset by a Carol Slezak column in the Sun-Times this week that included this message: "If I were running the Cubs, I'd be looking for a way to make this lazy pitcher somebody else's problem."
Zambrano's response: "That lady that says I was lazy, I want to see her on Tuesday. I want to be with no shirt so that she can see my body, and she can see what type of body I have. If I'm lazy, lazy people don't have this body, so I'm going to show her my guns so that she can call me lazy again.
"I'm sorry, people get hurt. We are human, and we get hurt. ... We are not machines."
Now, to be fair, Zambrano called himself lazy in not doing the ab work he needs to do to keep his back in shape. But Slezak's comment was a cheap shot. As DeLuca said, like it or not, Z is the Cubs' "ace", regardless of whether he wins 20 games a year or not. He's the leader of the rotation, and with Kerry Wood departed, he is the senior Cub, now in his ninth season -- yes, that's right, he first stepped onto the field as a Cub in 2001. Z became the first major leaguer born in the 1980s when he made his major league debut only two months past his 20th birthday on August 20, 2001, nine years ago yesterday, in the second game of a doubleheader against the Brewers.
Go get 'em, Z, next Tuesday.
One more thing about Aaron Miles. He now has 153 plate appearances and a .462 OPS. That is, courtesy of baseball-reference.com's Play Index, the 40th-worst season for any player in the divisional play era, since 1969, who had that many plate appearances, ranked by OPS. He has had two hits in his last 26 AB dating back to June 18.
But you go right ahead pinch-hitting him in key situations, Lou.

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The Cubs have faced only 26 lefthanded starters so far this year -- that's the fewest in either league (most: Rays and Royals, 45). They are 13-13 in those games; one of the losses was to Randy Wolf on May 28 at Wrigley Field. The only run off Wolf that day was a home run by Bobby Scales. That may not bode well for tonight, but it's time for the Cubs to step up vs. LHP. Geovany Soto is 4-for-11 vs. Wolf with a double.
Randy Wells was Wolf's opponent in that May 28 game, his only start vs. the Dodgers; he threw seven good innings, allowing only two runs, but the Cubs had no offense that day. If Wells throws 6.1 innings tonight, he will appear in the qualified league leaders for ERA for the first time. All of the hits Wells allowed on 5/28 were singles, except for a double by Andre Ethier.
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Be nice to get Wells
to double digit wins. Especially considering how little support he got in his early starts
chitownhawkeye - August 21, 2009
First Gamethread post of the Ricketts Era
Maybe it will give us some luck.
DisCUBbobulated - August 21, 2009
Hopefully
The Ricketts-era Cubs won’t fail as badly
Clutch16 - August 21, 2009
Well, it's not the Ricketts Era yet...
Craig in South Bend - August 21, 2009
Careful with those rational arguments - you'll spill my Kool-Aid.
DisCUBbobulated - August 21, 2009
LOL
But seriously, the Ricketts Era officially begins on Opening Day 2010.
Al Yellon - August 21, 2009
Speaking of Miles
I haven’t seen any of the kids in the LLWS say he is their favorite player. Interesting.
CubbieintheSouth - August 21, 2009
but somehow, Jason Marquis has been mentioned a few times.
Bill Potter - August 21, 2009
A few?
CubbieintheSouth - August 21, 2009
indeed.
Apparently he played in one of the Little Leagues, so most of the kids have been mentioning him as their favorite player.
Bill Potter - August 21, 2009
Plus Marquis is an actually pretty good at baseball.
CubbieintheSouth - August 21, 2009
yeah, but to chosen by multiple Little Leaguers as their favorite player?
Bill Potter - August 21, 2009
He is from their town and played in the same little league.
He even pitched in the llws for that league.
CubbieintheSouth - August 21, 2009
Yeah, I know.
It’s cool for Marquis, I’m sure.
Bill Potter - August 21, 2009
how many of them said adam lind
jesus christos - August 21, 2009
Miles is due...
DudeVf11 - August 21, 2009
to be dfa
CubbieintheSouth - August 21, 2009
I didn't know she was expecting.
DMCub - August 21, 2009
For what?
A growth spurt?
Craig in South Bend - August 21, 2009
i guess the cubs need to get more right handed
jesus christos - August 21, 2009
Don't give them anymore ideas like that.
DudeVf11 - August 21, 2009
Caption
Theriot: “Awe, not ANOTHER missed tag. SWL is gonna be killing me on BCB tonight”!
DMCub - August 21, 2009
Kick some ass Wells!
And Miles? You can kiss my ass.
Craig in South Bend - August 21, 2009
So is this going to be good preview or bad preview?
I just finished reading that 900+ comment behemoth summary. What started out as a good recap in the morning turned into a real recrap by this afternoon. Hopefully everyone got it out of their system…
Oh, and let the Randy Randy humor begin – after all, this is Bleed Cubbie Blue…
ballhawk - August 21, 2009
I couldn't even bring myself to venture in there
I think it was already at 500 comments when I logged on
chitownhawkeye - August 21, 2009
Only an idiot criticizes Zambrano
He’s one of the few guys who actually acts like he gives a F++K as to what happens on the field.
GeoMak - August 21, 2009
Yabbut...
…he brings a lot of the crap on himself.
cubswynn - August 21, 2009
I agree he gives 100%
however, he can be a knucklehead from time to time – and deserves to be criticized for it.
DMCub - August 21, 2009
I agree
he can be a knucklehead sometimes.
However, I’ll take that over (ahem) some guys who look like they’re sleepwalking (or on a siesta).
I’m 53. I was 13 years old during the summer of ’69.
My favorite player at that time was Ron Santo.
Old Ronnie used to get criticized too, for being too emotional (much like Zambrano).
Personally, I can live with those guys (even at their worst).
GeoMak - August 21, 2009
I definitely want him on the team,
especially over some of those guys who are sleepwalking.
I just think he can grow up a tad bit. He’s been in for nine years now.
DMCub - August 21, 2009
Cmon Dude
he’s done plenty to be criticized for. We don’t all drink at the trough of endless Zambrano love
Illicat - August 21, 2009
These troughs?
CubsBullsBears - August 21, 2009
I'd rather watch Zambrano go ballistic
than watch Soriano take about FIVE minutes to walk back to the dugout, after a horrible strikeout (a ball five feet outside) to lead off a (playoff?) game.
GeoMak - August 21, 2009
If Slezak wants to see lazy, she should come out to Waveland & Kenmore during a game - I'll show her lazy.
Heck, I’ll even take my shirt off – she’ll be scarred for life! ;-)
ballhawk - August 21, 2009
Yeah, but can you give her two tickets
to the gun show?
Craig in South Bend - August 21, 2009
sadly no - my days of "whatcha gonna do when these 24-inch pythons are wrapped around you" are over.
Evidently eating vitamins and saying prayers only last for so long…
ballhawk - August 21, 2009
LET ME TELL YA SOMETHIN' BROTHER
I’ve been hangin and bangin all around LA, and all the Zambranomaniacs are asking me, “Zambrano! What do we do if there’s and earthquake and we fall into the ocean.” Well the Z’ster is gonna say his prayers, and take his vitamins, and he’s going to have all the 1000s of people in LA pile on, and then we’re gonna backstroke to safety brother. Then, the Z’ster is gonna part the ocean, straight to the ballpark, and we’re gonna step to the plate, and get our business done. So Wolf, WHATCHA GONNA DO, WHEN THE Z’STER, THE CUBS, LA, AND THE 24 INCH PYTHONS RUN WILD OVER YOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUU!
Craig in South Bend - August 21, 2009
Wow - you weren't kidding. Z really does have 24 inch pythons...
ballhawk - August 21, 2009
Wow
I never realized how much Z looks like Batista. And, can you believe that guy there is in his 40s? Unreal.
Craig in South Bend - August 21, 2009
I can't believe anyone's talking about "wrestling."
stuartscottslefteye - August 21, 2009
Well guess what
I am.
Craig in South Bend - August 21, 2009
Right there with ya, brudda
ballhawk - August 21, 2009
Yeah I see that
chuckling***
stuartscottslefteye - August 21, 2009
CAN YOU SEE
THE POWAH
OH
THE WARRIAH?!?
Craig in South Bend - August 21, 2009
Ahem...of, not oh... :)
Craig in South Bend - August 21, 2009
I used to watch wrestling, for sure.
Ultimate Warrior, Iron Sheik, Hacksaw Jim Duggan, George “the animal” Steele, etc.
stuartscottslefteye - August 21, 2009
Jake The Snake...
Brutus the Barber Beefcake, Million Dollar Man, Macho Man. Classic.
CubsBullsBears - August 21, 2009
Randy Poffo!
My father-in-law played baseball with him back around their high school days
stuartscottslefteye - August 21, 2009
DO YOU SMELL
WHAT THE ROCK IS COOKING?
drewishdrewid - August 21, 2009
I'm a jet flyin'
Limousine riding, kiss stealing, wheeling dealing, SON OF A GUN!
IF YOU WANT TO BEAT THE MAN…
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
YOU GOTTA BEAT THE MAN!
It’s a bummer my wife is coming home tonight because now I really want to watch some wrestling DVDs.
Craig in South Bend - August 21, 2009
♪♫ Shootin' at the walls of heartache, bang, bang, I am the warrior ♫♪
Bill Potter - August 21, 2009
DX is coming back.
CubbieintheSouth - August 21, 2009
yeah, it cracked me up when Batista first came on the scene
I was like – Hey, that’s Zambrano out there! ;-)
ballhawk - August 21, 2009
Rec'd.
Just because I got nostalgic there for a moment.
CubsBullsBears - August 21, 2009
The last wrestling I watched was when I went to the last Wrestlemania in Detroit
And oddly enough, the wrestling I remember the most, is the stuff I watched as a kid. Sometimes, I really want to do a podcast just to talk about the Cubs, quote movies, and quote old school wrestling promos. I don’t know how good that would be, but it would be fun.
Craig in South Bend - August 21, 2009
the only era of wrestling I can enjoy...
santoswoodenlegs - August 21, 2009
when Nikolai Volkoff and the Iron Sheik would come out and sing their national anthems...
…oh man, that was good stuff.
ballhawk - August 21, 2009
I crack up thinking about that
Craig in South Bend - August 21, 2009
and Hulk Hogan
was the good guy…
drewishdrewid - August 21, 2009
Indeed.
Is that Hawk head-butting the Soviet flag? Nice.
stuartscottslefteye - August 21, 2009
Hogan
Craig in South Bend - August 21, 2009
Sorry - I meant Hulk!
I’m watching the Sox game and Hawk’s voice burrowed its way into my brain…
stuartscottslefteye - August 21, 2009
now
Hulk Hogan wresting Hawk Harrelson. That I’d pay to see.
drewishdrewid - August 21, 2009
Mercy!
stuartscottslefteye - August 21, 2009
He gone - for good!
ballhawk - August 21, 2009
Hawk & Animal??
jthack - August 21, 2009
"We dine on danger and snack on death!"
Quite possibly the best wrestling credo ever for arguably the best tag-team in wrestling history – the Road Warriors.
Oh, and they had the best entrance music of all time – “Iron Man”
ballhawk - August 21, 2009
How many games do the Cubs have left against the Cards? 3?
teacher tom - August 21, 2009
Yes
Craig in South Bend - August 21, 2009
So we just need to...
Get the lead down to 3 by then, and then we control our own destiny! : /
CubsBullsBears - August 21, 2009
3 I think,,,,mid Sep..
cozmotaylor123 - August 21, 2009
Good luck tonight Wells.
CTL showed Carlos being interviewed and asked about Carol’s statement. He didn’t seem all that upset more teasing I guess. He invited her to be there Tues. and the guys on the panel said she will be there. That should be interesting.
sue369 - August 21, 2009
Any hope of Sori NOT playing tonight ?
Doggie Stalker - August 21, 2009
I thought someone had the lineup posted in the Ricketts thread
Craig in South Bend - August 21, 2009
If I remember right, its'
THeriot
Bradley
Lee
Aramis
Baker
SOriOhNo
Soto
Fuld
Wells
DisCUBbobulated - August 21, 2009
Well Fuld is nice
But Fuld and Fox or Dome and Fox without Soriano would be MUCH better. Seriously batters are being INTENTIONALLY walked
to get to him he swings at balls two feet outside of the plate with the bases loaded what does he have to do for Lou to bench for
at LEAST a game or two ?
Doggie Stalker - August 21, 2009
Those swings at those pitch outs
was some of the worst baseball I’ve ever seen.
Craig in South Bend - August 21, 2009
lol
pitchouts is about right.
drewishdrewid - August 21, 2009
They were too!
It was insane. On that first one, I thought, “well, OK, I probably wouldn’t have done that, but maybe he saw something I didn’t see.” And then he did it again!!! At that point, I kinda tuned out of the game and out of the discussion on here.
Craig in South Bend - August 21, 2009
Well you can crap in one hand...
DMCub - August 21, 2009
What's going on with that other hand?
Craig in South Bend - August 21, 2009
it's reaching clear across the other side of the bathroom for the toilet paper...
…and missing.
ballhawk - August 21, 2009
That is not good
Not good at all…
Craig in South Bend - August 21, 2009
Whiffing at a slider that lands in the LH's box.
DMCub - August 21, 2009
Here's the lineup, per Twittermeyer
Bill Potter - August 21, 2009
Cue the Price is Right fail music
Craig in South Bend - August 21, 2009
Can't we find a way to get Fox in the lineup everyday?!
cubswynn - August 21, 2009
sure
but it would involve removing an ice-cold Soriano from the lineup.
Bill Potter - August 21, 2009
Either there or RF.
Whatever it takes, let’s find out if this guy is for real or not.
cubswynn - August 21, 2009
I'm all for it.
Bill Potter - August 21, 2009
pulling Milton Bradley
out of this lineup is not a good idea.
drewishdrewid - August 21, 2009
No it isn't
But pulling your boy Soriano would be an excellent idea.
Doggie Stalker - August 21, 2009
how about pulling my finger? ;-)
ballhawk - August 21, 2009
You're on fire tonight
chilango2 - August 21, 2009
hee
sue369 - August 21, 2009
pay attention
I called for him to be benched yesterday and this morning.
drewishdrewid - August 21, 2009
Sorry glad you came over the dark side
I believe something is wrong with him, physical ,mental or a combination. This is NOT a slump or a natural decline because of age. While one might have foreseen SOME drop off he is too good an athlete for what is happening now. Whatever it is keeping in the lineup is not helping.
Doggie Stalker - August 21, 2009
Or behind the plate
stuartscottslefteye - August 21, 2009
describing
Sori as ice cold is an insult to ice.
Slakkr - August 21, 2009 via mobile
dry ice?
Bill Potter - August 21, 2009
Al.......
Slezak’s column was spot on.
It was not a cheap shop. BigZ, IMHO, is paid to win games. He can’t win games if he is not in the best physical condition. BigZ let his teammates and the fans down by failing to maintain proper conditioning. You can’t be the leader of the staff if you are injured.
timeforachange2009 - August 21, 2009
♪♫ That's when I fell for... The Leader of the Pack... (vrooom vrooom) ♪♫
ballhawk - August 21, 2009
In defense of Z...
I have a bulging disc as well, and no amount of core/ab/low back work is going to stop it from flaring up from time to time. It’s the nature of the beast. He’s shown over the past 5 years that he can win games, and take the ball for over 200 innings and 30+ starts.
CubsBullsBears - August 21, 2009
yeah but
i except my ace to win 30 games, era under 2.5 and never get hurt
jesus christos - August 21, 2009
expect except
meh
jesus christos - August 21, 2009
Ok.....
I’ll bite. I don’t expect to have my ace win 30 games and have an era under 2.5. I also know that injuries happen. IMHO, BigZ’s are preventable.
I like Z. I wish he would have as much passion towards working out as he does for the game. That is all I am trying to say……..
As for having a bulging disk, I do as well. I have also had two fractures at L5. I have found that the more work AB work, chiropractor visits and traction that I do improves my mobility and allows me to function. Bottom line is that if I do my exercises I feel fine. I was able to ride in a Humvee for 8+ hours a day in Fallujah without pain because of my treatment regime………
timeforachange2009 - August 21, 2009
You're lucky...
Because the bulging disc was not preventable, and although the symptoms can be controlled to some extent in some with pre-hab/re-hab exercises, there are times they flare up regardless. His shoulder issue last season… was that preventable too?
You simply don’t have the success Zambrano’s had without working hard.
CubsBullsBears - August 21, 2009
Really.........
there are plenty of players who have had success early but tailed off quickly because they would not keep up with their program.
IMHO, when you are young, some players are able to get by on their talent. As they get older and their bodies change, they need more. I happen to think this is happening to BigZ.
As for his shoulder, I do not know what caused it. Many times a shoulder injury is a result of another injury.
Don’t get me wrong, I really like BigZ. I want the best for him and the team. The latter will not occur without him on the field.
timeforachange2009 - August 21, 2009
Odd as it may sound
It is overcast here in LA and there are scattered showers in the area. Don’t think the game will be rained out, but it is a change from the norm for this time of year.
GO CUBS!
JFCubFan - August 21, 2009
That's VERY strange for southern California in mid-August.
Al Yellon - August 21, 2009
good luck wells...i'll be watching
Sandburg23 - August 21, 2009
ballhawk - August 21, 2009
nice ballhawk...
good call
Sandburg23 - August 21, 2009
I'm just the warmup act - SWL does the main show...
ballhawk - August 21, 2009
SoriOhNo is .171 vs LHP with 2 HR and a .531 OPS this year.
Look, Lou.. you know what I want you to do? Sit him a lot for 2009. Teach him a new hitting approach in the off season – get some value out of him for the next five years. But stop trotting him out there this year, especially vs LHPs. Yes, there’s lots of difficult management decisions for you to make, but this ain’t one of them.
DisCUBbobulated - August 21, 2009
agreed...and let Von Joshua do his job
Sandburg23 - August 21, 2009
Haven't heard much about Joshua since he came on. Is Lou meddling?
DisCUBbobulated - August 21, 2009
but he is a STAR, fans expect to see him
or so Lou said last year when the idea of just benching in the 9th for defensive reasons came up.
Doggie Stalker - August 21, 2009
Z was getting torn apart on The Score...
Today by McNeil and that other d-bag. They called his comments directed at Slezak disgusting and inappropriate. If anyone heard Z’s interview, he was 100% kidding with the reporters and having fun with the situation.
CubsBullsBears - August 21, 2009
see
this is your mistake, for listening to the Score. :D
drewishdrewid - August 21, 2009
It's mostly just for background noise at work...
But stuff like this catches my attention.
CubsBullsBears - August 21, 2009
I saw Carlos interview
and it seemed he was more teasing/kidding than anything.
sue369 - August 21, 2009
Favre's Night:
1 for 4 for four yards and a 39.6 passer rating.. No sacks, but a couple of emergency timeouts to change his depends after some hurries.
DisCUBbobulated - August 21, 2009
Is it on TV?
chilango2 - August 21, 2009
Not sure.. You can find it on the web if you know where to look..
I just checked the yahoo sports page for updated stats.
DisCUBbobulated - August 21, 2009
Here in Fargo it is
Dunno about y’all, tho
Clutch16 - August 21, 2009
Thanks
We have Tennessee-Dallas here. Very incongruous game selection.
chilango2 - August 21, 2009
Didn't care anyway
Watched a couple of episodes of “Lock ’n Load with R. Lee Ermey”, tho. Fun stuff there.
Clutch16 - August 21, 2009
Favre?
Favre who? Never heard of him… is he a rookie?
CubsBullsBears - August 21, 2009
Yeah
The Falcons drafted him
Clutch16 - August 21, 2009
As much crap as I'd like to shoot down to Bears and Packers fans
my Vikings are gonna suck this year.
chilango2 - August 21, 2009
Good news and bad news for the vikings tonight..
They sacked Cassel three times, but he still figured out their LB’s and secondary. 10-0 Chiefs with the starters in. KC 135 yds to MN 20.
DisCUBbobulated - August 21, 2009
Ouch
2-14, just because they play the Lions twice…
chilango2 - August 21, 2009
Really?
Some in the Chicago media would like to anoint them NFC North Champs already.
CubsBullsBears - August 21, 2009
Man, I'd love to be wrong
but just look at last year’s Jets. Granted, those Jets didn’t have one Adrian Peterson, but still. Favre will be a detriment to the team.
chilango2 - August 21, 2009
BLou has already said they're going to mop up the North
So it’s true.
Mike Martin - August 21, 2009
The Southern Miss kid?
CubbieintheSouth - August 21, 2009
Yeah
Only reason he’s playing in the first place is ’cuz his dad was the HS football coach. 10-1 says he ends up with a drinking problem.
Clutch16 - August 21, 2009
Slight chance of rain tomorrow, too
This is the stuff that floats up from Mexico and usually is described as the “monsoonal rains” of AZ. PHX gets this stuff in the summertime a lot. Not SoCal. It will be gone by Sunday.
But I’m not pleased with a threat of rain when I’m driving 120 miles tomorrow!!!
San Diego Smooth Jazz Man - August 21, 2009
Guess we should be glad
its only rain, he he.
eswan9 - August 21, 2009
I'm not gonna be around tonight...
dinner with my family sounds better than what the Cubs might give me.
Later my peeps.
santoswoodenlegs - August 21, 2009
Happy dining.. Hopefully we won't end up with too much indigestion on this end.
DisCUBbobulated - August 21, 2009
Hope you're not having what this peep had...
ballhawk - August 21, 2009
Peep mafia
eh?
chitownhawkeye - August 21, 2009
Do you draw funny pictures for them...
On the dinner napkins?
CubsBullsBears - August 21, 2009
And on that note, after quoting pro wrestlers
I’m outta here. Take care everybody! Be excellent to each other.
Craig in South Bend - August 21, 2009
Later
stuartscottslefteye - August 21, 2009
If you're bored waiting for the game
AMC would like to remind you that there is no Dana, only Zuul
Clutch16 - August 21, 2009
OK see ya later! I'll do your taxes!
stuartscottslefteye - August 21, 2009
And now from the other end of the spectrum...
…My Network (Ch. 50 in Chicago) would like to remind you that Friday Night Smackdown is on now. If you hurry, you can see a women’s tag-team match.
ballhawk - August 21, 2009
Are they as hot
As Sigourney Weaver and Annie Potts?
Clutch16 - August 21, 2009
two of them were much hotter.
the other two… well, i won’t say how they looked because I’m afraid they’ll find out about it and hunt me down and kick the crap out of me. And believe me, they could. Manny wishes he was using what those two use…
ballhawk - August 21, 2009
I read Paul Sullivan's "suggestions" to Ricketts so you don't have to.
It’s predictably anticlimactic
Basically, the best suggestion is cheaper ticket prices and cheaper beer. He suggests trading z, talking Lou into staying, and getting rid of Hendry and Kenney. A bunch of uninlligable prattle about team shrinks and Jumbotrons wraps up the latest attempt at journalism over at the Tribune.
DisCUBbobulated - August 21, 2009
What did you expect from a raging
chilango2 - August 21, 2009
Ron interviewing Piniella
Ronsi: Last night, you sucked. RISP with bases loaded
Loupi: Soriano and baker K’s – 6th inning we walk loony and give up a grand slam. They were both "right moves’. We’ve had a heck of a time. I have no explanations for why (we suck on offense). “Gosh, I thought (after SDO) we’d score some runs.. It’s hard to win when you score two runs”
R: 42 games left. You know Lou… can we win 2 or 3 games here?
L: We’ll play better at home, with the Nats and the Mets. I keep clinging to the Hope of a win streak and.. and.. and.. lots of the same gibberish.
R: Lineup?
L: "We need soriano to start hitting.. we’re going to have to give him a breather of sorts (!!!). if he doesn’t.
DisCUBbobulated - August 21, 2009
A bit of paraphrasing there.. I hope I got the gist across anyway..
QUote to note: “We need Soriano to start hitting (or) we’re going to have to giver him a breather of sorts.” Promise, Lou?
DisCUBbobulated - August 21, 2009
oh, you were paraphrasing
i thought that was word for word, you had it spot on
jesus christos - August 21, 2009
In case you were wondering
JUMP!
Clutch16 - August 21, 2009
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