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Did You Ever Think You'd Be This Glad To See Dusty Baker? - Cubs vs. Reds Preview, Monday 8/3, 6:10 CT

I cannot imagine Dusty Baker, who signed a three-year contract to manage the Reds before 2008, will finish out the last year of that deal in 2010. The Reds have appeared to regress since last year -- they are currently on pace to lose 92 games -- and the game seems to have passed Dusty by, even more so than it did during his last year as Cubs manager. There have been rumors that Tony LaRussa will leave the Cardinals after this year and join his former GM, Walt Jocketty, who is now in charge of the Reds.

Many people blame Dusty for the troubles Kerry Wood and Mark Prior had during his tenure. There's something to that, though other factors were involved, too. But Dusty's overuse of Aaron Harang -- who has thrown 110 or more pitches 19 times since Baker began managing the Reds -- is unconscionable.

Meanwhile, Lou might have a new relief pitcher in this series:

The positive news the Cubs received Sunday on the two key players who left Saturday's game with minor injuries could pay quick dividends this week in Cincinnati, including the intriguing -- if remote -- possibility that Carlos Zambrano could pitch out of the bullpen for the first time in seven years.

Even if Zambrano didn't exactly embrace the idea.

Manager Lou Piniella raised that possibility for the second consecutive night after another rough finish for a bullpen that has been worked hard lately -- in large part because of Zambrano's early exit Saturday because of lower- back stiffness.

"He's got till Friday," Piniella said of Zambrano's anticipated fitness for his next scheduled start, "unless we put him in the bullpen for a couple of days. We might need him there in Cincinnati."

Said Zambrano, when told of Piniella's comments: "I'm not a reliever."

Oh, come on, Z. Take one for the team. For one thing... how about being a closer for a day? Tonight?

Lineup via Twittermyer:

Fukudome, cf; Theriot, ss; Lee, 1b; Ramirez, 3b; Bradley, rf; Soriano, lf; Fontenot, 2b; Hill, c; Wells, p

This will be Koyie Hill's 24th consecutive start. He has caught all but six innings in those 24 games. I checked the 1968 game logs for Randy Hundley, who caught 160 games (156 starts) of the 163 (one tie) played that year. He started the first 26 games, then got a day off. Then he started 40 in a row (and appeared in the game he didn't start). Following ten more in a row, Hundley sat for a game -- the second game of a doubleheader, so he didn't get the entire day off. Then he made 50 more consecutive starts, before getting another second-game-of-a DH off -- and he appeared in that game. It was 16 more starts before he finally got another day off, but he also appeared in that game, but for only one inning -- most of a day off. Then he caught the final 17 games of the season, all but five innings. Why not those five innings? He was ejected for arguing a call.

So if you think Hill can't handle this, just look back 41 years. (No wonder Hundley's knees went.)

Star-divide

Today's Starting Pitchers
Randy Wells
Randy Wells
Cubs
vs. Aaron Harang
Aaron Harang
Reds
7-4 W-L 5-12
2.84 ERA 4.50
60 SO 115
21 BB 34
8 HR 21
vs. Cin -- vs. Cubs

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2009 - Randy Wells 7-4 15 15 0 0 0 0 95.0 88 31 30 8 21 60 2.84 1.15


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2009 - Aaron Harang 5-12 22 22 2 1 0 0 134.0 161 73 67 21 34 115 4.50 1.46

Today's game is a pitching rematch from July 24, ten days ago at Wrigley Field. Both starters pitched reasonably well, but Dusty left Harang in for 119 pitches and the Cubs eventually put the game away vs. the Cincinnati bullpen. (Don't look at Kevin Gregg's line from that game, it will just raise your blood pressure.)

Aramis Ramirez and Mike Fontenot homered off Harang on July 24; A-Ram is the Cubs' best hitter against him, lifetime .326/.347/.652 with 4 HR in 46 AB, and he is expected to play tonight. Derrek Lee has also homered 5 times off Harang in 52 career AB.

Randy Wells threw six good innings against the Reds on July 24; his only real mistake was giving up a three-run homer to Harang, a career .090 hitter. I trust that won't happen again. This is the Cubs' 104th game and Wells has thrown 95 innings; if Wells throws a complete game (unlikely, of course), he will then show up in the qualified league leaders list for ERA. More likely, he'll show up there after his next start.

It's your lucky day, outside-of-Chicago Cubs fans. Normally, you wouldn't get to see WCIU games -- but ESPN has picked up tonight's game for national coverage. For other games today see the MLB.com Mediacenter.

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First?
First Place Tonight...

Make it happen boys! Btw, good to see Rammy is back in the lineup.

I

Get to watch the game from Jersey. The land of no wgn.

Caption - "If this guys last name is Izturis, get him the hell away from me!"
A win tonight would go a long way

in helping to forget last night’s game.

I will say this, it's GREAT to be back

Been gone since the 24th because the wedding was on the 25th, but everything went perfect. There were some fears about me using Go Cubs Go for my wedding party’s entrance, but the Cubs took care of business, won their game, and so us coming into the reception to Go Cubs Go worked out perfectly. Most of the people were singing it. I’ve kept up here and there while on the honeymoon, but it’s going to be cool to actually get to watch a game and be a part of a chat again.

Congratulations Craig!
Congrats!

Did you happen to watch the video of the dancing wedding party on You Tube? Any chance you’ll post your entrance?

Funny, I know people in that video.
it was like the scene out

of Hitch….

I still have yet to see this

but a lot of the people that attended mentioned it. Pictures ran late, so the wife and myself arrive to the reception late, and I was handed a glass of beer, and she was given a glass a wine, and then we were ushered in to Go Cubs Go. Our videographer may not have been there for that (he did some professional work for our ceremony, but had to split before the reception, or just after)…but someone may have captured it on their digital camera. If I can get a hold of it, I’ll probably throw it up on youtube. Honestly, it was really, really cool to hear everyone singing that, and it was such an awesome, small part of a tremendous day. If it was all on video, it would be may favorite movie ever.

Congratulations!!
Does anyone have a link

to Brandon Philips saying how the Reds are a better team top to bottom than the Cubs this year? It looks like the Cinci paper took that article down, but maybe I just can’t find it.

Dunno if this is exactly

what you are referring to or not. But near the end of the article Phillips is quoted as saying the Reds are a better team.

My respect for Koyie Hill grew over the weekend

with the way he handled the situation with the over-excited closer of the Marlins. Koyie handled himself with total professionalism by leaving everything on the field and not escalating things in the paper.

The Marlins (including their marketing staff) could learn a few things from Koyie.

I think Hill comes out miles ahead in the class dept. in that situation.

Now, what did I miss about the Florida Marlins’ marketing staff? Were they taking pot-shots?

They apparently

trotted a goat on to the field between innings.

You can read all about it on this fan post:

LINK

Add Edison Volques

to Dusty’s pitcher graveyard. The kid with an incredible arm is supposed to miss a year after having Tommy John surgery yesterday,

sorry its actually Edinson Volquez
Even worse
dat_cubfan_dave #Reds trainer on Volquez: It’ll be 2011 before you see the old Edinson Volquez. (via @johnfayman); Yow.
Guess that trade isn't looking good this year for either team,

Both Hamilton and Volquez have been hurt for much of the year.

yikes...well he should be doing towel drills within a year
Another Baker pitcher bites the Dust[y]
Volquez through 110 or more pitches

15 times since Dusty (if my count is correct..it may be more)

And the Reds have had a pretty good bullpen

the last couple of years so Dusty can’t use that as an excuse.

I had him on my fantasy team but gave up on him ever coming back about a month ago.
thanks for the update....
carmen

i love you man. lol

lol...i couldn't resist
I chuckle

everytime someone mentions their fantasy team now. Thank you!

An individual could be remembered for worse...haha
Hahahaha

I was actually wondering if anybody here on BCB had him on their team.

thanks for mutton
Of course Z

couldn’t just say, “if they need me to pitch from the pen, not a problem.” He gets old.

I hadn’t heard that LaRussa rumor, can’t we get him out of this division? Wells is quickly becoming one of my favorite Cubs to watch pitch. Him and the bulldog, Ted Lilly

I almost created a fan shot about this just to give the Zambrano apologists something to do this afternoon
IIRC I think Mssr. Al said that we would be in trouble if Koyie Hill started more than 40 games

Al do you recall saying this before the year began?

You usually are in trouble if

you lose your all star catcher for a significant stretch of time.

It also isn't good when your all star catcher finally came around

right before he went on the DL.

Haven't we been in trouble this year anyway?

Most of us thought we’d be up by 5 games by now . . .

Maybe.

Apparently, I was wrong. Hill has done a good job behind the plate and it appears we can live with his .200 average.

Of course Z said he wasn't a reliever

He’s too busy practicing his swings.

I hope that whole thing was in jest
It read like something to get a laugh out of reporters
I figured so.

I pray to Vishnu and the Sai Baba Rogers says something stupid in tomorrow’s paper…

is the alternative

that he doesn’t have anything published at all?

If a tree fell in the woods but there was no-one there...
Maybe he could pinch-hit, then stay in to pitch.
The last time I saw this was in the NLDS in 2004

during the 18 inning game the Astros and Braves played. Roger Clemens pinch hit before he came in to pitch.

here's hoping they can get things going tonight.

with the cardinals sitting at home this is one of those “we can make up ground without them doing anything” nights.

might be a stupid question

but i thought i heard soto was going to be back first week of august? any word?

He's rehabbing in TN

hopefully back soon.

aw, man, you had to say Soto was rehabbin.
They tried to make me go to rehab, but I said "no, no, no"!
He's starting a rehab with AA Tennessee today.

Soto is scheduled to re-join the Cubs Friday in Colorado.

Soto is blazin' up doobies and porking out on chicken fried steaks deep in the heart of Dixie
Wow

Could you be any more crass?

Actually, he can.
the man tells it like it is
he's just pokin a lil fun
I don't think that's funny at all.
everyone is so serious on here all the time
There's just no needs to make nasty remarks.
Not really actually

Its only when people say continuously say incredibly stupid things like BLou does constantly.

+1

I’ve been on this site for over 2 years (I know – you’re happy for me), and recently just changed my screen name. On numerous occasions I’ve been attacked as a “troll” and someone who doesn’t know what he’s talking about. No one knows how to deal with sarcsm, facetiousness or criticism.

Strike a nerve, did I ???

Push away from the buffet table sometime. You might like the results.

You really are an ass
Haha.

Amen to that.

Perhaps I’d be more sympathetic if he wasn’t tremendously out of shape and sucking it up big time this season. Sadly, he’s both, and it’s nobody’s fault but his own.

...

I think he was insulting cowsarecool. I think the appropriate response is actually under “actions” though.

I saw it

as more of a comment towards Soto. And if it was toward’s Soto then I think it’s bloody hilarious.

Considering he asked cows if he "struck a nerve"

and then told them to pull away from the buffet, I think you’re not reading the comment correctly, but whatever.

And you could be right

I could’ve just misunderstood, and if I did, then all I can say is “my bad.”

Maybe he's referring to himself?
which is a pass he'd be given

if he hadn’t shown himself to be a complete and total butt to everyone around him.

okay i semi agree with that
BRARGJG BRARGH

I’ve been a fan since 77 and I’ll say what I want!

And how!

I played college baseball

I know everything there is about baseball, that’s why I’m employed by a major league club!

77!

NINETEEN

seventy-seven.

!

donuts, doobies!

77

Stupid question

I know.

Don't you think BLou is hilarious!

I mean, he is so original in his insults, you just never know what fat joke he will make.

"...blazin' up doobies and porking out on chicken friend steaks..."

I’m starting to doubt that you’re even a real person.

Soto's song:

I don’t smoke marihuana, I don’t take LSD,
‘Cos I’m a country boy from Nashville, with my boots up to my knees
I like to sit around and be lazy,
I like to drink a lot of beer
‘Cos I’m a country boy from Nashville,
with my hair cut to my ears
I’d like to cut the balls of a long-haired hippy, and tie them up to a tree
‘Cos I’m a country boy from Nashville, that’s Nashville, Tennessee
Well I’m a country boy from Nashville, Tennessee,
don’t f**k with me

Actually, he's Puerto Rican and with a big appetite

I worry about Soto in the deep fried capital of the U.S. Lord help us if Ryne Sandberg points out the Krispy Kremes on literally every street corner.

hahaha!

More fat jokes! So funny! ’77

What does that fact that he's PR have to do with anything?
I think it's that he's not from Nashville

and (hopefully) not racism :-)

I think he was saying

he’s Puerto Rican as opposed to being from Nashville. I think…

Well he's not a native of Nashville as the above stereotype hillbilly cracker song above aludes to.
What's a hillbilly cracker?
Ask Chris Rock
Are they Opossum flavored or something?
and you dip them in moonshine

at the reception when you are marrying your sister

Dude, I tried to joke around with you

because you get a really bad rap, and sometimes I agree with you appreciate your antagonistic role. But you make it really hard to be nice to you.

Don't give a rip

When a person starts seeking adoration on an anonymous message board then it is time to check in for professional help and answer the “get a life” ads in the newspaper.

The majority take this blog as if it were life and death and the debate centered on a cure for cancer.

Will you by my friend, BLou?
No

I don’t seek friendships via a message board. Rather I engage in a full and enriched life that includes wife, daughter, family, friends, stimulating physical activity, cultural endeavor, etc. Too many of you seemingly try to carve out a life on BCB. That’s sad. I feel badly for you and hope that someday you see the light, both literally and figuratively. Put down the 128 ounce package of sour creme potato chips, lift your ass out of the computer chair and go outside and get some sun. Heck, you might even have some human contact !!!

Funny how you didn't mention a job.
Eye roll

don’t wrench your shoulder patting yourself on the back there bud… the DL is full.

This is quite funny coming from someone

who has been kicked off this message board, not once, but twice and still feels the need to come back. I think you lead a sad, lonely, miserable life and you come on here to try and make other people feel the same way you do. Its almost like you need to come here, hence being kicked off twice and still coming back.

It’s quite sad really.

More than twice, actually.

It’d be nice if he’d treat everyone here the way he claims he treats his family. Odd that he can do that in real life, but not here.

So, Blou posts here and has enriched life, but the rest of us don't by definition?

Good logic.

What about if I organize

a BCB party? We could drive 2gether. I’ll bring the Sour Cream & Onion chips!

I'll bring the red and blue Jello shots!
Nice! It should

be enriching. ’Specially if we can have it outside in the sun.

I'm bringing my computer chair, though
Can you even get out your computer chair?

I know I cant!

Mine is covered in

potato chip crumbs. Most of them are still good though.

unfortunately, the dog gets all my crumbs

- hang on a sec, gotta open a new bag..

lawn chairs are for wimps
So are single tubes

of Pringles Sour Cream & Onion. I’m a double-barreled guy myself.

A fellow double fister?
Even when I'm not hungry...
Me too, gotta keep my weight up

so I can maximize the weekly trip to Golden Corral

Old Country Buffett fo' life!
I do it just

so I’m not constantly sliding out of my computer chair.

You guys are cracking me up

Just got a belly alugh from that one, shook the whole house

They won't allow me back in Golden Corral...
My picture is posted

at the New China Buffet.

Asked to leave after trip #5?
forcibly removed from the premises.
I salute you, sir!
I haven't had Pringles in a coon's age

great. now i’m hungry!

Why would I ever leave this chair?

Mine’s in Cubbie blue…

That is fancy!

Is that where you do all of your fantasy research?

Yes...

 …when I’m not shutting the curtains to keep that pesky sun away from me.

Oh God that's the worst

That’s why I love Ma’s basement so much.

mmm, jello shots and sour cream and onion chips....

Now, that is a party

Cant we all just get alongggggggggggg
Are you going to text us with updates?
Well, I'm not on

Twitter yet. But maybe this will serve as a nice oppo to get an account. That way I can keep everyone up to speed on the party planning. I’m thinking of making it a “computer chair” themed party. Standby for more info…

lol

wasn’t a twitter joke… was trying to go off the short lived plan for a BCB picnic.

Haha I almost forgot about that

Haha I almost forgot about that

HAHAHA!!!!!!!!
Typical BCB reader:

that south park was hilarious

might even be the last one i found truly funny.

Let's have it right after we win the NL Central again...

because we know BLou will be sitting all by himself in the bleachers saying “They’ll blow it in the playoffs!!”

This coming from a dude who...

… has made nearly 4000 posts in 8 months, at a clip of about 500 a month, or 125 a week, or 18 a day…

And that doesn’t count the multiple accounts he had before this one that resulted in his being kicked off…

But its the REST of us that take it too seriously.

My e-mail address in on my profile page

I’m not anonymous by any means. Should you need anything, you now know how to find me.

Ya, I love you man. Let's hug it out.
Lets go Cubs!

Lets put that loss behind us and move on boys…get a W tonight

In Lovie Smith speak, let's see the Cubs start "stacking wins."
Is there a REASON why Hendry can't pick up another catcher !?!?

WHY is Koyie Hill the only viable catcher on this roster for going on several weeks?!? Insane. You can’t pick up a journeyman to fill the gap?!?

Yeah, I agree

Koyie has gotta be gassed by now…although he is doing okay i guess

Roster spots available?
Maybe you should ask Hendry
You got his phone number?

I’ll dial him up right now.

He's probably at the buffet table

hahahaha! I’m so funny! 77

Now, that was funny
Now, now

Remember what the nice judge said… You can’t get within 500 feet of Jim Hendry and you can’t call him or e-mail him.

Zambrano...

…really frustrates the hell out of me, and he has since he was given that contract in August of 2007.

He’s probably my least favorite pitcher on the staff. Too inconsistent for $18 mil. a year, doesn’t travel with the team, gets hurt swinging the bat which we all know he’s NOT getting paid to do, and can’t control himself despite being 28 years old now (which should be a player’s prime, and he seems to be past it already). Now he won’t take one for the team and pitch out of the bullpen if we need him to (and we very well might)?

Get over yourself, Z. It’s not funny anymore. In the end though, Lou calls the shots, and I hope he decides to throw Z out there in the pen if he really needs an extra guy. That’s such BS on Z’s part.

+10 Yeah I too am getting sick and tired of his childish act...hes def not worth the money were paying him to be the ace of the staff
Don't you think you might be reading a little to much into his comment?

He may very well be kidding.

He's not allowed to kid!

His is getting paid to be a professional athlete!
Harumpf!

Did it ever occur to you that Z and Lou

may be JOKING about him going to the ’pen?

Phil Rogers would like to hire you STAT!
What are you, a BLou impersonator?

Speaking the unvarnished truth in such nature will get you labeled a member of my flock. Careful now. All the fat guys who are offended by my Geovany Soto schtick will start attacking you.

Zambrano is a gifted pitcher with a 10 cent head. He is who we think he is in the parlance of Dennis Green. Our ace is Rich Harden.

Our ace has a 5 ERA and two pitches?

No wonder we’re only going to win 79 games!

BLou impersonators?

Hey now

Your damned close. You’re act is more Worf the insult dog, but I give you credit for not wearing rose-colored glasses and pissing all over the Luvable Loser mentality that so many embrace on this blog.

You're = you are

Your = possessive pronoun

Yep

But Al doesn’t have one of dem dare edit fetures

SBN doesn't.

I sincerely doubt Al is piecing together HTML and AJAX.

You never know

That Al is a crafty guy . . .

Well, then i HOPE he isn't.

This place is big enough to have a good writer (Al) and a team of trained tech monkeys to kick the servers when necessary as well.

Here's what I don't get about your posts:

What is the purpose of your posts?

Are you trying to persuade people to your point of view or are you just making the most provocative and outrageous posts you can think of?

Hint: Insulting people is not the best way to persuade people to your point of view.

If Rich Harden is our ace

this team really is screwed

Haha, nah.

I just get tired of the guy sometimes. I always feel that everything in baseball is said for a reason and is never REALLY in jest. I’m just of the upbringing of Cub fans where you expect the best out of who’s labelled “the best,” and if we’re not getting that as I don’t think we are with Zambrano (the guy always labelled as our “ace”), then why should I give the guy the benefit of the doubt?

Ever since Z made the comment about fans booing him after that Labor Day game against LA two seasons ago, and also recent antics and things that have come out of his mouth throughout 2009, I have a hard time viewing his comment as a joke.

You're right, somewhat.

I think it’s a little bit much to get too worked up over a relatively offhand remark by Lou and an even more offhand response by Big Z.

Z is consistently good but not great, so you’re right in that he probably doesn’t deserve the 18 mil/year, but if you need to feel good about him being on the team, check out the roll he was on for the last two months.

When Soto returns

I hope our Lou considers this batting order: Fukudome, Bradley, Lee, ARam, Soto, Soriano, Fontenot, Theriot, P.

He probably wouldn't consider that

on days when Milton is hitting from the left side.

I've thought about that too

but I’ve come to agree with Lou on Bradley hitting behind lee and Aram. It does break up the 4 RH in a row.

The LH/RH stuff strikes me as a bit irrelevant

IMO it’s more important to put your highest OBP guys in front of your highest OPS guys than to worry about making sure the lineup isn’t “too righty”.

How to tell its been 2 rough games in a row

there is Blou everywhere on the board with lineup talk and how much Zambrano needs a shrink.

Ugh!

And you guys thought I was so negative...
It's kind of BLOU's claim to fame on BCB.
yeah seems to be
So right Allie - here's a question I guarantee BLou won't respond to:

Why does BLou only post when the Cubs stumble, and never posts when they are playing well? The world wonders…

the silence is deafening
Ahh, the other magic of a W flag.

The silence.

Man, I love contentious pre-game threads!

Awesome job!

Go Cubs, go.

The actual game thread should be a regular barrel of laughs!
yeah

can’t figure out what is more annoying those complaining about ESPN’s coverage… or ESPN’s coverage?

I think the complaining is worse. They really aren’t that bad.

They really aren't

that bad. Except for Joe Morgan. Great player, terrible analyst.

Even Morgan hasn't been that horrible lately

He and Phillips had a good discussion on the mechanics of hitting. And it was actually interesting.

He does know about hitting.

And consistency. That’s the thing about baseball. You need to be consistent in order to win games consistently. But at the end of the game, all that really matters is which team scored more runs. Consistency.

I think Morgan does know what he's talking about sometimes

The problem is he thinks he knows what he’s talking about ALL the time.

Eh

True.

He’s not a very good announcer, but he’s doesn’t warn all the hand wringing, IMO.

I'd think he'd do much better in the studio....
Agree

Except for ’ol Joe, of course.

Was it not Randy Wells that pitched are last nationally televised game on ESPN?

If I recall correctly, he didn’t pitch that well. Here’s to hoping we pick up a win tonight.

While it may be fashionable to blame Dusty for all the ills of the world, I

did a little research. Al mentioned that Dusty was abusing Harang with the number of 110 pitch outings. i decided to compare a few starting pitchers in the league and see how this stat compared. I also checked last year’s pitches/start to see if Dusty’s guys were staying in games much longer than the other starters. Here are the results.

Pitcher———110-pitch outings 2009——pitches/start 2008
D. Haren——————-9———————————————101.1
Lincicome—————11——————————————-111.5
Cain—————————7———————————————-109.2
Billingsly——————11——————————————-103.8
Santana———————6———————————————105.8
Sabathia——————10———————————————108.9
Burnett———————-10——————————————-107.3
Harang———————-8———————————————-101.5
Arroyo————————-7———————————————-101
Cueto————————-4————————————————97.9
Owings———————-0————————————————97.3
Volquez———————-1————————————————105.8

Lest you feel these numbers are cherry-picked, they are not. I just picked pitchers that I knew of and looked at their stats.

I realize that Dusty’s mistreatment of pitchers is the stuff of urban legend, but these numbers tell a different story. I am not saying that he doesn’t overuse his pitchers, only that the talk on this blog seems to be a bit overblown. Bend the numbers any way you want, but facts are facts.

Oh man...

…what are you trying to say, Dusty Baker isn’t the devil reincarnated?!

I think problems with Arroyo and Harang come from before the time of Dusty

and at least with Owings he hasn’t been good enough to throw 100 pitches. I know you want to defend Dusty, and that’s, well, not commendable exactly, but it sure is a challenge. The facts are this: Dusty has said a few colosally stupid things while managing the Cubs and has shown a propensity to fall in love with players who don’t necessarily warrant his continued devotion (Corey Patterson? Jerry Hairston Jr.?). There’s evidence on both sides of the pitch count debate with him, and, from where I sit and from what I’ve read, he’s probably more guilty than most managers of pitcher abuse.

Pitch Count

is also a factor of how well someone pitches. Its no coincidence most guys on your comparison list are aces who pitch deep into games because that provides their team the best chance of winning. Its not surprising Haren, Lincicome, Santana and Cain (arguably the four best, healthy pitchers in the NL this year) all average 100+ or even 110+.

Of the Reds you listed, only Volquez is in the same league, and — surprise — he’s struggled this year with arm injuries and is about to go down for Tommie John surgery.

Of course it is. A pitchers that stinks is not going to be around long enough

to throw 110 pitches. My only point is that if Dusty were as guilty as he has been made out to be on this blog, his pitchers numbers would be way out of line with others. Volquez has been pitching in major league basball since 2005. 105 pitches per game avaerage is not abuse based on others with the same amount of win totals. It hard to believe that one year at that pitch total would cause an injury to the point of needing TJS. I uspect abuse prior to last year. Linicome is in his third year and is averaging 111 pitches per start. Is that abuse. My only point is that the numbers don’t suggest treatment way out of line with the rest of the league.

You're missing the point

The Reds are TERRIBLE. They are going to finish way out of the running this year. Nevertheless, Dusty somehow has all five of his starters averaging at or near 100 pitches per game. How is that possible?

Are you telling me this awful team actually has 5 really good starters that are pitching late into games because they’re just that good, and somehow just not getting wins? Or you think perhaps he’s got his 3, 4 and 5 starters pitching their arms off when an equally effective reliever could come in to do the same thing?

Have you looked at the stats from the rest of the league or are you making

this point because you feel that strongly about Dusty? Every team in the league has stats very close to the Reds. Practically every team’s top 3 starting pitchers average about 97 pitches per start. EVERY TEAM. So your argument is that 3 or 4 pitches per start is enough to ruin his pitchers? Even the lowly Padres with their inept offense have 3 pitchers that average 97+ pitches per start. It doesn’t matter how bad the team is, this stat is consistent.

Right. And he has 5.

On a team that is lousy, he uses all 5 starters like they were aces.

Joe Girardi has a hand in some of that

Which I mentioned earlier as another person of interest in the pitcher abuse game.

You also should

list the corresponding whip counts. 110 pitches in 5 innings is much different than say 8 innings.

ESPN.com had a good feature on pitch counts a couple weeks ago

Interesting stuff if you haven’t checked it out.

missed that

a particular writer if you can remember?

Kurkjen

had a lot of good quotes from Orel Hershiser

tanks
Sorry

that post made no sense. Kurkijen wrote the article and it had quotes from Orel.

There might have been a fanshot on it, if you can’t find it on ESPN.

Don't be so hard on yourself, I understood you. :)
I'm glad someone did

i wrote it and was confused. LOL

It was several simultaneous pieces from different angles of the debate

I would have links for you but I’ve gone mobile for the night.

Seeing Game in Memphis

Fox Sports South will pick up the feed from FSN Ohio for the game. It will be on Comcast digital channel 25 or basic cable channel 40 in Memphis. All Reds games are blacked out on Extra Innings in Tennessee.

Tonight's game is on Espn
Game Blacked Out On ESPN in Memphis

Because Memphis is technically in Reds territory, the game won’t be able to seen on ESPN in Tennessee. For Memphis viewers, Fox Sports South and SportSouth try to pick up the feeds from Fox Sports Midwest and Fox Sports Ohio for Cardinals and Reds games. The only way to see the game here on Comcast will be to watch Fox Sports South picking up the feed from Fox Sports Ohio.

Edit - Won't Be Able to BE Seen on ESPN in TN
Bud, TEAR DOWN THE BLACKOUT WALL!
Ok. Sorry 'bout that.

This blackout thing is the most ridiculous thing.

It`s time!

It`s time for our offense to give our pitchers some support. The Marlins trip was not acceptible. Time for Uncle Miltie to do what he gets paid to do!!

Blame Bradley!!

He`s the biggest culprit! I doubt he`s feeling any LOVE right now!

Team sport... not just Bradley...

But I am the President of the Bradley Fan Club.

I would imagine there`s plenty of room for new members!

You and I might be the only ones

anymore.

That`s funny!

I think we have Drew too. :)
Can I join?
Sure, but you have to take an oath

to combat the constant negativity from other posters with positive stats. That way Bradley can know that he has some love out there.

He's tied for the team lead in on-base percentage!*

*among qualified batters

Is that a good start?

Uncle Miltie

Is a hell of a talent who just can`t find it this year. It`s not too late. I hope he finds it. He`s got way too much talent!

OT: For those that like the Bulls,

Ben Gordon is on the score and ripping on Bulls management.

what's he saying?

That they disrespected him by offering only 9M per season for the last three offseasons?

Bernstein quoted

Reinsdorf as saying “Ben would have to fight for playing time with Jannero Pargo and be the fourth guard” so Ben started laughing and then went on to say that he didn’t appreciate how they handled his situation the last year or so, in which they lied to the fans about signing him being a top priority. He also didn’t understand why they waited till now to see him leave if they never wanted to resign him in the first place, as they should have gotten something in return for him. I agree with everything he said in the interview.

Sounds like his true character is coming out.

I suspect this is why the Bulls didn’t go above and beyond to sign him. He isn’t that great of a talent to put up with this.

Apparently he never learned to be the bigger person and just move on.

Who cares?

I’m glad he’s gone.

Jim Edmonds

Does anyone have his phone number? I`ll give it to Hendry.

Isn't it funny that one of the best lefty power hitting outfielders in the league last year

wasn’t an option for a team in dire need of a good left handed power hitting outfielder. I realize he probably wouldn’t be as good this year but his glove would be well above average in right field and his hitting would be more than adequate. It’s nuts to think he had a .937 OPS last year for us.

Overflow thread?

First pitch thread...
Photo caption

Cubs trainer: “Watch out ’Ramis. Hey Lou, watch me bust out the robot”

Aramis is on my tv

:swoon:

Crap. he should be in Cincinatti.
Hello Cubs fans!

Let’s get a win tonight

Go Cubs Go!

The season starts TONIGHT!!!

This has been spring training this whole time!

Oh man, I’m so confused right now.

Thank God!!

No Joe Morgan tonight!!

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