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Some History And History Lessons: Cubs vs. Brewers Preview, Monday 9/14, 7:05 CT

Today, Dave van Dyck wrote in the Tribune:

Today's lesson is about the theory of relativity, baseball-style.

In other words, how good or bad the Cubs are in relation to other teams, and it doesn't take an Einstein to figure it out.

With their Sunday victory against the Reds, the Cubs are 19-7 against Cincinnati and Pittsburgh this season. Throw in Houston and Cleveland, two other also-rans, and you have a total record of 32-13.

So why aren't the Cubs contending?

Against likely playoff-bound teams St. Louis, Philadelphia, Colorado and Detroit, their combined record is 11-25.

In other words, they don't deserve to be playing into October with those teams.

OK, Mr. Einstein van Dyck, let me give you a little lesson -- this time in baseball history, and why the regular season and the postseason are two different animals. And we don't have to go back too far in baseball history for this; all we need to do is look at the records of two recent World Series champions.

In 2005, the White Sox were 6-10 in the regular season against the two teams they faced in the American League playoffs, the Red Sox and Angels. Should have been an easy time for those two teams, right? Nope, the White Sox went 7-1 against them in October.

In 2006, the Cardinals played all three of their postseason opponents during the regular season (Padres, Mets and Tigers). Combined record? 4-11. Combined postseason record vs. the same three teams? 11-5. And that was after the Cardinals nearly blew a seven-game lead with 12 games remaining in the regular season (losing seven in a row while the Astros were winning nine straight), and had to count on Houston losing on the season's final day to avoid having to play a makeup game the day after.

Point: while the task ahead of the Cubs is still daunting, if they keep winning, who knows what might happen? Stranger things have happened. Just ask the 2007 Rockies.

Oh, and today is the one-year anniversary of some game vs. the Astros in Milwaukee that you might remember.

Star-divide

Today's Starting Pitchers
Ryan Dempster
Ryan Dempster
Cubs
vs. Jeff Suppan
Jeff Suppan
Brewers
9-8 W-L 6-9
4.03 ERA 5.05
140 SO 65
59 BB 66
19 HR 20
vs. Mil -- vs. Cubs

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2009 - Ryan Dempster 9-8 26 26 0 0 0 0 163.0 166 86 73 19 59 140 4.03 1.38


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2009 - Jeff Suppan 6-9 25 25 0 0 0 0 135.1 168 86 76 20 66 65 5.05 1.73

Jeff Suppan has pitched three times vs. the Cubs this year, with two losses and a no-decision (the Cubs won that one, too). In 16.2 innings he's posted a 4.86 ERA against the Cubs in 2009. Derrek Lee, who's been hot lately, loves hitting against Suppan: .429 (21-for-49), seven doubles, four HR. D-Lee is three RBI short of 100 this year -- tonight would be a good time to reach that milestone.

Ryan Dempster also has three starts vs. his opponent tonight, the Brewers. He's 2-1 despite a 5.21 ERA in those three outings. Dempster and Suppan faced each other on April 12 in Milwaukee, the game where Reed Johnson made the great catch to rob Prince Fielder of a grand slam. (And I thought about that and thought, "That was this year? Seems like about five years ago.) Fielder has hit a pair of HR in his career vs. Dempster, but the Brewer who hits him best is Jason Kendall (.413, 19-for-46). Incidentally, with Fielder's next RBI he will set the Brewers' single season club record; he is currently tied (126) with current Astros manager Cecil Cooper. Let's hope he sets that record starting Friday in a series against the Astros.

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Comments

Hello?
It's me
Whew. I was freaking out
I thought about us for a long, long time
Now I have that in my head.

Damn you.

I'll be around, once in a while.

Or if I ever need a reason to smile.

As always,

winning is much more fun. Let’s win and keep winning all the way though the 2010 season and beyond.

Feels like 3 years

Since we last feasted on Soup.

Oh, and today is the one-year anniversary of some game vs. the Astros in Milwaukee that you might remember.

i think i heard about that!

What's Carlos' record since that no-no? Just curious...
Z quickly turned a no-no into a long path of so-so

And so it goes.

And is yet another reason the Cubs will shop Z in the offseason...
Suppan has more walks than Ks

I know he’s been bad but Wow.

And please don’t give Fielder anything to hit. Ever.

Please, Lou

start Jake Fox tonight. Please?

Your Wish Is Granted

Per Twittermeyer:

riot, fuky (9), lee, rami, soto, fox (7), baker, fuld (8), demp

F-Troop in the outfield
I'd say we have the F-troop at SS too

Private Vanderbilt?

WTF?

Again, Dome hitting second while Theriot bats leadoff? Crimony…

THERIOT IS A GREAT LEADOFF HITTER

HE CAN SOMETIMES STEAL BASES AND SOMETIMES HITS THE BALL

Sarcasm detected
HE CAN ALL THE TIME GET THROWN OUT TRYING TO STEAL AND MOST OF THE TIME HAS A 3 PITCH AT-BAT ENDING IN AN OUT

Fixed

Ugh, Lou should be arrested for continuing to put Riot out there as leadoff.
The bigger crime will be when Miles pinch hits
Playing Miles at all

should be a capital offense.

At this point

I’m more interested in Miles’ possible upside than Theriot’s.

I'd rather make Blanco play everyday the rest of the season

and get Theriot on some sort of conditioning program that allows him to play the final month of the season.

I wouldn't plan on playing Theriot full time next year anyway.

At best, he and Fontenot should be fighting for the 2B job; if they each took 300 PA from 2B, that might work.

That is my dream situation

But we all know that as long as Lou is the manager Ryan Theriot will be playing SS.

Trade him.

Trade him before he costs money.

now all Theriot costs us is

extra base runners and higher pitch counts with that limited range and 2B arm.

He would be the first guy I offer to teams this offseason

IDK what the market would be, prolly not much, but probably something.

Leadoff is not our problem

the 5 spot is.

Or something. Right? Uck.

im not sure which spot it is

lou keeps changing his mind…

Some musings, a year after the no-hitter:

My wife and I snagged tickets the night before on the Cubs Web site. $60 each, seventh row right behind home plate.

It had been raining very hard that weekend, and Sunday the 14th was no exception. The drive up to Milwaukee was longer than usual. Also, I-94 was a mess with construction (still is).

Randy Wolf was very hittable then. The Cubs had already lit him up earlier that season, when he was still with the Padres—a game I also attended, in Wrigley alas. The Cubs faced Wolf twice this season and got stymied both times.

We were surrounded by very nice Cubs fans, and three Texans stranded in Wisconsin because the hurricane-du-jour cancelled their flights back to Houston. They couldn’t had been more gracious, except the son was a loud yeller, and he yelled encouragement to Tejada and Lee often and loud.

By the seventh inning, none of us wanted to talk about anything. We all just looked at each other in disbelief. My wife wanted to go to the bathroom, but I forbade it. The outs kept coming, and there were no hits. I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. The energy kept rising. Most of the 23,000+ people in attendance were Cubs fans, and it was just electric inside that sterile box they call a stadium.

When Darrin Erstad struck out to end the game, everyone just exploded. I then proceeded to cry like a little girl—my wife recriminates me to this day because I didn’t cry on our wedding and I cried “because the Cubs won.”

The ride back to Chicago was fun too. Most people on I-94 were honking their horns, and we waved at each other when we passed them.

A truly unforgettable day I’ll cherish for the rest of my life.

my wife recriminates me to this day because I didn’t cry on our wedding and I cried "because the Cubs won."

atleast you have your priorities straight

One correction:

My wife and I snagged tickets the night before on the Cubs Web site. $60 each,

We actually had to buy them off the Astros’ Web site. The apparel shops inside Miller had Astros paraphernalia, which I thought was strange but nice.

Some photos

of that day.

Fantastic pictures.

You are an adorable couple.

Las fotos son bonitas!
That park is amazing and you're insane.

Wrigley is a hole and we all know it. It may be Baseball Mecca to us all, but Miller Park kicks the sha-hit outta Wrigley.

I like new stadiums, just not Miller Park

Idunno what it is about it.

Probably knowing

that there are plenty of Packers fans attending the game.

Still on that, eh?

Did you hear Cutler is going to draw the Pick 4 for the Illinois Lottery?

Thanks for sharing.

I went to Lilly’s one-hitter the next day. I almost didn’t go because I couldn’t find anyone to go along. I thought it would be too awkward and that I would be bored. My husband encouraged me to just go by myself. I am so glad I did! It was a blast and with no one else to talk to or distract me I was able to pay attention to every detail. At one point Edmunds made an awesome catch in the 6th to keep what was looking like a no hitter going for Lilly. It was as you say “electric”. I will never forget it.

Great story Jose.
Similar story here.

Some friends and I had drunkenly talked about going the night before. When we woke up the next morning, one of them had already gotten tickets! No backing out then… we were headed out.

Traffic blew, i think we missed the first inning and a half. It was worth it.

A truly unforgettable day I’ll cherish for the rest of my life.

Exactly.

Al is right on in response to van D.

Also – who’d have thought when Suppan and Marquis were both signed off that Cardinals team, that Suppan would have the 5+ ERA and Marquis the 4- ERA this year?

the lesson is

Don’t sign pitchers leaving the Cardinals if they weren’t good before getting there.

My favorite birthday present ever

came last year. It definitely wasn’t “icing on the cake” when Z threw that no-no. Let’s hope we get another one tonight?

Sorry to disagree, but Van Dyck is right.

It’s pretty much the formula for a 90+ season…beat up on the teams you should, and play .500 against the really good teams…if the Cubs had done this against the teams Van Dyck mentioned, they would be right in the thick of it.

That stretch in LA, COL, and home to PHI was very telling, unfortunately.

Al, you seem to take these shots that people take at the Cubs personally. I love your passion and enthusiasm for this team, and your dedication to BCB, but it’s safe to say that you, and the rest of us, care more about the Cubs than many of the players wearing the laundry.

Ugh.

Why’d you have to go and remind me of the Z no-hitter, Al? I had tickets to that game (as scheduled in Houston) but instead spent the day looking for ice, checking in on my neighbors, and trying to call all my friends and family to make sure they knew I was OK. I couldn’t even listen on the internet – hardly anyone had power…

Glad you're OK
Nice!

It sure seemed like a magical year at that point. Then the playoffs started, and, you know.

Replay fail

That was supposed to be for the photos you posted

You can see my blood-shot eyes on the last photo...
Yeah, me too.

Honestly, Ike was probably down to low Cat 1 or high tropical storm by the time it got to my apartment, and if that’s true, I have no desire to ever experience a Cat 3 or higher storm. The aftermath itself wasn’t that bad – it was interesting to see a major city brought to a standstill, and everyone pulled together, cooperated, and shared what they had to get through the next few days. But hurricane force winds howling through your neighborhood definitely will set you on edge.

The thing that sucked most was missing the Z no-hitter; I heard about it on the slow, intermittent, internet connections I could get, and it was confirmed by my girlfriend in Chicago.

I had tickets too (in Houston)

I had planned a road trip to Houston to visit my college roommate that now attends Rice. I ended up staying in San Antonio and missed the entire storm.

I agree with Dick Van Dyck

I always liked him in Mary Poppins and his own sit com and I think he is right on here. Now, the post season is a different animal and what happened in the regular season counts nada but does anyone here believe the Cubs deserve (better yet should) be in the playoffs? They played well against some bad teams and poorly against better teams (better = greater than 500). If they would miraculously make the playoffs and win then no one would remember the regular season but this style of play (right now) is not good enough. They deserve to be home this October (I still hope they aren’t).

If they can pull something off and get there, they will deserve it!
Right now

the team’s obligation is to prepare for the 2010 season. The odds of making the playoffs are 199-1. It seems we should take a look at Blanco at SS. Granted that it would be a slap at Theriot, but team comes before players. More Soto at C since he seems to have turned it around. More down time for ARam to let him heal for next year. If Baker can play 3B, that’s one fewer hole that must be filled off season.

If Harden goes, can Marshall or Gorz take the 5th slot? Rather than playing as if we have a shot, let’s be pragmatic and look towards the future.

So you're saying we should just give up?

Last time I checked no one clinched yet. Sure the odds might only be 199-1. I’d still rather they at least tried. There will be plenty of time to prepare for 2010.

I wonder what you will think on Sunday

When the Cards are celebrating the NL Central title against us. This season is O-V-E-R, over, or OVAH! if you enjoy Hawk Harrelson.

the time to prepare for 2010 is now, especially in the case of Soto, Fox, and Blanco.

We'll just have to wait and see, won't we?

When and if that happens we can prepare then. A couple of days isn’t going to matter. I’d like to see them give it all they’ve got NOW.

GOTTA AGREE....

Now is the time for Cubs brass to start planning for 2010 . We don’t want to hear " Baseball is a funny game ." or " THey played better than us ." or " I don’t know what to do ." Lets hope that the manager ( who ever it may be ) is up to this task . From now to Mesa this club has to start planning .

Caption:

Where did you get those nachos???? I want some!

Gallardo to pitch for Brewers instead of Suppan
Can we get the 2008 Chicago Cubs to bat instead of the 2009 Chicago Cubs?
That, according to message board @ Wrigley
Disregard - Suppan is warming up
Caption:

Dusty wanted to see my Ron Artest impersonation

Lineup:

Theriot, SS
Fukudome, RF
Lee, 1B
Ramirez, 3B
Soto, C
Fox, LF
Baker, 2B
Fuld, CF
Dempster, P

Why is Fox playing? That's weird.
it's the Yin/Yang of Lou

he puts Fox in the lineup but bats Theriot in leadoff. no one is perfect.

Why some reporters shouldn't represent the media in general...

I read a comment on the yahoo Cubs page from Lou on what appeared to be an answer to a question ABOUT SORIANO HITTING LEADOFF!!! What the ffffff…!? Nice question pal. Did you get that Journalism degree awww by yer wittle sellllf? Awwww.

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