PITTSBURGH -- As I noted yesterday, the Pirates have become the Cubs' favorite punching bag (well, they have for a lot of teams, but the Cubs in particular). The Cubs have now won 10 of the last 13 games between the two teams at PNC Park; 12 of the last 14 overall; are 21-6 against the Pirates since the beginning of 2008 and 69-40 against them since 2003.
That's why it's good news that this Cubs team has six remaining games against the Pirates. If they are going to go on a miracle run with 26 games remaining, it's good to have nearly a quarter of them against a team they beat with regularity.
For those of you who read northpaw22k's FanShot about Prince Fielder and the Brewers' weird walkoff celebration on Sunday, you weren't the only ones upset; the Giants and one of the local writers in the Bay Area were also less than thrilled:
Look, I'm not against players having fun on the field. It's a game and fans buy tickets to be entertained. Every time a college football player gets flagged for the tiniest bit of exuberance, I shake my head. Let the kid enjoy the moment a little bit, huh?
But if you have any knowledge or appreciation for the culture of baseball, you know Fielder's stunt was over the top. It was disrespectful. And if he's going to pull stuff like that, he's got absolutely no right to take umbrage the next time a pitcher gets revenge with a fastball to the ribs. Hey, he's got plenty of built-in padding, anyway.
Fielder can risk retaliation if he wants. But it seldom ends there. He's putting his teammates at risk, too, and possibly putting his pitchers in a bad position. But I guess they all were active participants, so maybe all of them should be on alert.
100% correct, in my opinion. I have no problem with celebrations. But this one was way over the top.
More Cubs notes: our old friend Kevin Hart has been moved up in the Pirates rotation and will start against Z tomorrow afternoon. Also from that link:
Outfielder Sam Fuld on Sunday aggravated a minor wrist injury he suffered making that face-banging catch in Los Angeles two weeks ago and is limited for now to playing defense. He did it in the seventh inning Sunday, chasing down Dan Murphy's triple.
The tight hamstring that forced Andres Blanco out of Sunday's game in the seventh inning will probably sideline him for at least another day or two, manager Lou Piniella said.

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Zach Duke has made 125 major league starts. 16 of those are vs. the Cubs, more than against any other team. He's got a decent 3.13 ERA in those starts, but is only 4-7, and 0-2 with a no-decision this year despite a good 3.38 ERA and going at least seven innings in all three starts. That's kind of what the Pirates are -- they aren't really bad, just not good enough. (No wonder he isn't smiling in the photo.) Current Cubs are hitting .335 (83-for-248) vs. Duke with 7 HR, including a pair by Jeff Baker in only 9 AB.
Ryan Dempster has started only once vs. the Pirates this year and it was one of his worst of the year, on May 25 at Wrigley Field. The good news is that five of the eight position players in that day's starting lineup are no longer with the Pirates, including Freddy Sanchez, who homered off Dempster. No current Pirate has homered off him and in Dempster's last outing at PNC Park, coincidentally vs. Duke on April 9, 2008, he threw seven one-hit innings. A repeat of that would be real nice.
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I'm going to stick to two overflow threads for the time being: tonight at 7:15 and 8:30 pm CDT. If things get too busy, please post a FanShot overflow; if I see there's a lot of activity the next couple of days, I may go back to three.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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Are we sure
that Fielder’s antics were planned? He is a big boy.
RIOTSHIRTS.com - September 8, 2009
How much will he cry when he gets drilled?
cubswynn - September 8, 2009
He won't cry
He’ll just want to talk it over with the pitcher after the game.
Clutch16 - September 8, 2009
Oh snap
chilango2 - September 8, 2009
In their clubhouse?
Devin B - September 8, 2009
Lineup, per Wittenmyer
chilango2 - September 8, 2009
I'm not a fan of Scales in left
elgato - September 8, 2009
No Soriano, Johnson or Fuld
Guess you could put Fox there, but we know very well how Uncle Lousty likes to manage.
chilango2 - September 8, 2009
Fox certainly isn't hurt
He was getting loads of work fielding fungos at 3B during batting practice on Saturday and looked fine. Actually, I was moderately impressed by how well he fielded. Still, his recent ABs have been rather ugly with his getting fooled easily, though he will not improve without seeing more pitches.
Qixotl - September 8, 2009
Somebody mentioned the other day
that Fox has been “figured out” by opposing pitchers, which seems to answer why he doesn’t start that often. This doesn’t bode well for any ideas of using him as trade bait with an AL team this offseason.
chilango2 - September 8, 2009
But if we package him with Miles and Soriano...
… somebody will give us a magic swan!
AndrewJStone - September 8, 2009
but Bobby Scales is the next Albert Pujols?
please. Lou has another favorite, so he’s playing him
Illicat - September 8, 2009
If he was a "favorite" he never would have went back to Iowa
carmen_fanzone - September 8, 2009
I'm not a fan of Scales in left, or Riot at leadoff
but Lou is a moron, so this lineup hardly surprises me
Illicat - September 8, 2009
Stupid line-up
TJ11 - September 8, 2009
I like the fact that Dome is getting a chance at a lefty.
He is an expensive platoon guy. Put him out there for the rest of the season and see how he does.
The rest of lineup doesn’t matter since I see no hope for this year. Yeah Fox could play a bigger role next year than Scales but really it doesn’t matter all that much.
KaliCub - September 8, 2009
that is an atrocious line up
jesus christos - September 8, 2009
maybe the Giants
should have gotten his ass out then and not allowed the walk-off HR. He made fun of his weight by jumping up, landing on the plate, with his landing knocking his teammates over. Weak complaint. And typical tough-guy sportswriter who would soil himself if he had to defend himself versus Prince.
I hate crybaby’s who complain about other people’s antics after LOSING. Go out and win the damn game and that’ll shut ’em up.
socalbob - September 8, 2009
Respect
I didnt like the antics. But hey I dont like then they un-tuck their jerseys while still on the field either. Hell you are even taught to run on and off the field. Baseball is one of the sports we have left without lenghty pre-thought celebrations. I feel like it is disrespecting the game. And would be upset to see the Cubs pull stuff like that.
Kchance - September 8, 2009
Fielder sure is a big fat baby when a pitch comes near him
Hopefully there will be a few more coming his way soon. The Brewer players deserve it for going along with it. What did their manager think of this?
TJ11 - September 8, 2009
big baby? really?
Let’s see. He gets hit with a 95 MPH fastball with 2 outs in the 9th inning of a blow out—they were down over 10 runs—because Manny Ramirez get grazed with a pitch? And he’s a baby because of that? Fielder is a class act who plays the game the right way and plays hard.
And now you advocate him getting thrown at because of a post-game celebration? You must have never had fun in sports and most definitely never been hit with a ball over 55 MPH to think it’s ok. Amazing.
socalbob - September 8, 2009
if by class act, you mean chasing the opposing team
down the clubhouse tunnel, or throwing a punch at one of his teammates then yeah, he’s a class act
Illicat - September 8, 2009
That was pretty classy and exactly what I was talking about.
TJ11 - September 8, 2009
no you weren't
socalbob - September 8, 2009
nice
Let me have a 95 MPH fastball drill you in the thigh for no reason and see how you react. And the “punch” was a mere slap to Parra to wake him up from mentally quitting. Hardly condemning.
socalbob - September 8, 2009
"mere slap to wake Parra up from mentally quitting"?
Well, that’s certainly one way to look at it.
carmen_fanzone - September 8, 2009
drilling the other teams star player is part of the game
get over it
jesus christos - September 8, 2009
no it is not
“Get over it.” What a weak reply. Get over yourself.
socalbob - September 9, 2009
Fox isn't playing vs a LH????
Scales is? 4 Scales starts in LF??
WHAT THE FUCK???
Lou is an asshole and should not be brought back. He has lost it.
When would you use Fox at this point? No Soriano, a LHP, a smaller ballpark,
Fuld and Johnson are hurt…..What else will it take?
TJ11 - September 8, 2009
I said it before-If Scales was so fucking important why was he sitting at Iowa for months instead of being here
Suddenly he is our 4th outfielder ahead of one of the few consistant hitters we had all season. I just don’t get it. I was giving Lou some leeway but its over. He’s managing like a fool. I wish someone in the press would ask him where exactly Fox can play and what would have to happen for him to play.
TJ11 - September 8, 2009
So wait...
… how do you feel about this lineup?
AndrewJStone - September 8, 2009
Needs. Moar. Fox.
Clutch16 - September 8, 2009
Lou could run my grandmother out there...
and we’d probably still beat the Pirates. Let’s go ahead and pencil in two more HR’s for DeLee…
DKT - September 8, 2009
But is your grandmother a Fox?
Clutch16 - September 8, 2009
How about this fox?
AndrewJStone - September 8, 2009
the best FOX there is
socalbob - September 8, 2009
You could shine a light in her ear
And her whole skull would light up like a Jack-o-lantern. Teh hawt, for sure, but dumb is always a turn-off for me.
Clutch16 - September 8, 2009
Debatable.
I’ve found its pretty hard to actually determine the intelligence of somebody you’ve never held a conversation with.
AndrewJStone - September 8, 2009
"I resent having to prove that I’m not a retard"
Then quit coming off as one. Not too tough there, Hawking.
Clutch16 - September 8, 2009
Well...
… without getting in to a whole media and sexism debate, its fair to say that it is pretty hard to show anybody your intelligence if all anybody can think about is your boobs.
AndrewJStone - September 8, 2009
Or if you only ever work for Michael Bay
That stupid Kenneth Branagh just never returns her agent’s phone calls!
Clutch16 - September 8, 2009
overrated.
Zy Toro Young - September 8, 2009 via mobile
I dunno.
Devin B - September 8, 2009
I say yes please
Ace Venom - September 8, 2009
I think you know.....
TJ11 - September 8, 2009
I agree that Fox should be playing.
But I think this answers your question about why Scales was in Iowa for months, instead of on the major league roster.
Jody Jody Davis - September 8, 2009
Too soon.
We’ll be able to laugh about this one day, i’m sure (i’ll always remember the dude in the Miles jersey i saw at the Bears game last week), but for now, i can’t bring myself to think about the day he was signed.
AndrewJStone - September 8, 2009
One of these days, we'll all look back on this
Laugh nervously, and change the subject.
Clutch16 - September 8, 2009
You, sir, suck
I almost cried.
chilango2 - September 8, 2009
Because Miles is here-I agree that's why.
But Why is Scales in LF FOUR GAMES IN A ROW?
With Fox sitting there!!!!
TJ11 - September 8, 2009
I know who would be a good guy to have in LF
This guy has a .952 OPS since the All-Star Break. I wonder how the Cubs could get their hands on a player like that.
Jody Jody Davis - September 8, 2009
The thing was that the Orioles could afford to let him work out his swing for half a season. They weren’t expecting to win. We were.
Devin B - September 8, 2009
True
Of course, the Cubs also found a way to give 123 pre-ASB at bats to Aaron Miles (compared to Pie’s 107 for Baltimore).
Jody Jody Davis - September 8, 2009
Well Aaron Miles is a proven ML hitter.
Ugh that makes me sick. Sometimes you just make the wrong choices.
Devin B - September 8, 2009
thats a healthy soriano like OBP
jesus christos - September 8, 2009
Dude
One day, you’ll figure out that you can contain your thoughts in one post
Craig in South Bend - September 8, 2009
Its spilling over with irritation into other posts
TJ11 - September 8, 2009
two home runs tonight from
the baker! dlee gave him somo mojo
doofus cubs guy - September 8, 2009
Tonight is Game #137
I wonder how many different lineups Lou has used?
ballhawk - September 8, 2009
120
chilango2 - September 8, 2009
137!
“My manager used 137 different lineups…”
“In a row?”
Craig in South Bend - September 8, 2009
Interesting, from Twitter:
http://twitter.com/CarrieMuskat
AndrewJStone - September 8, 2009
There you go- Scales everyday for the rest of the year.
Why not bring up someone else if he won’t play Hoff or Fox in the OF. I mean we have a bunch of guys nicked up, why would we have to play people out of position?
TJ11 - September 8, 2009
Also...
AndrewJStone - September 8, 2009
White flag much?
chilango2 - September 8, 2009
October 6th
Clutch16 - September 8, 2009
He'll get more starts than Fox. NOW I'm done talking about Fox.......
TJ11 - September 8, 2009
Al, I can be one of the biggest traditionalists you'll find and re: Fielder's walk off, I laughed.
I know I should be upset. I know this should irk me no end. But it doesn’t.
It looked like it was pre-planned for just such a situation. And frankly the sight of the huge “bowling ball” Prince knocking over his teammates at the plate like ten-pins just struck me as funny.
The jersey untucking ticks me off more than the home plate antics.
That being said, it’s only funny if it’s a one time thing. If it happens every time he hits a walk off, then it loses it’s humor.
And, pitchers have a way of evening things out when the time comes.
The Brewers are going nowhere. It was a home walk-off towards the end of a losing season. People should just let it go.
Zeke - September 8, 2009
I think my problem with it is this
It’s pretty representational of The Brewers as a whole, and to a greater extent, Bud’s reign over the league. I mean, lets face it, the team is a complete sloppy disgrace. From the jerseys, to the repeated antics from Prince and others, to firing their manager when they were still in the hunt, etc. they’re just a disgrace. It’s hard to think of another team full of a bunch of knuckleheads, who are also a big mismanaged bunch of losers.
Craig in South Bend - September 8, 2009
You mean besides us?
santoswoodenlegs - September 8, 2009
very well played sir
Rec’d
tootle - September 8, 2009
Agree Zeke, I'm not offended in the slightest.
KaliCub - September 8, 2009
I don't care who is in left...
as long as the Cubs win. I wish they would put me in left.
Cubbiegoon - September 8, 2009
You must not care much about them winning then
Craig in South Bend - September 8, 2009
C'mon bra
Don’t make me seem like “That guy”
Cubbiegoon - September 8, 2009
If you can flail at pitches out of the strike zone and botch routine flyballs
You’re qualified.
Jody Jody Davis - September 8, 2009
Good luck tonight Ryan.
sue369 - September 8, 2009
Thanks
Although I’m probably just going to sit around and watch the game, not really do anyth…ohhh – gotcha.
Nevermind.
Clutch16 - September 8, 2009
hee
sue369 - September 8, 2009
If that which I won't mention happens,
then some one may want to use this.
Guten Nacht & GO CUBS!!!
eths - September 8, 2009
Tune in to WGN 720 NOW!!!!
chilango2 - September 8, 2009
make me
santoswoodenlegs - September 8, 2009
Harry calling the Sandberg HRs on "The Sandberg Game"
Goose-bumps galore.
chilango2 - September 8, 2009
Is the game delayed?
They’re still playing an inane interview on GN, and it’s 6:04.
chilango2 - September 8, 2009
They're waiting for Al to throw out the first pitch
Clutch16 - September 8, 2009
or towel.
santoswoodenlegs - September 8, 2009
Jump
Good luck guys… Go Cubs. Guten Nacht (endgültig)
eths - September 8, 2009
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