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Cubs Give A Glimpse Into The Future In 7-1 Win Over Brewers

Matt Garza of the Chicago Cubs and Geovany Soto celebrate the Cubs victory against the Milwaukee Brewers at Wrigley Field in Chicago, Illinois. The Cubs defeated the Brewers 7-1 (Photo by David Banks/Getty Images)

Matt Garza of the Chicago Cubs and Geovany Soto celebrate the Cubs victory against the Milwaukee Brewers at Wrigley Field in Chicago, Illinois. The Cubs defeated the Brewers 7-1 (Photo by David Banks/Getty Images)

As I noted in this morning's preview, three long-time Cubs -- Aramis Ramirez, Carlos Zambrano and Kerry Wood -- are the only ones left from the 2003 NL Central champions. None of them appeared today, and in fact, none may appear for the rest of the season.

Instead, we got a taste of what may be to come for the 2012 Cubs. Matt Garza, who has been every bit the pitcher any of us could have hoped for when he came over from the Tampa Bay Rays, threw his second complete game of the season Wednesday afternoon in the Wrigley Field finale for 2011. A little bit better defense would have gotten him a shutout; the only run in the Cubs' 7-1 win over the Brewers was unearned after a Starlin Castro error. I'll forgive that one, because Castro had two hits (even though he was thrown out in the first inning after ill-advisedly trying to stretch a double into a triple). Castro had one shot at his 200th hit, with a runner on second base in the eighth inning, but he walked. I was surprised Castro took a 3-0 pitch right down the middle with a six-run lead; why not try it there, since everyone wanted to see the 200th hit at that point?

Also, a big razzberry to Brewers manager Ron Roenicke, who intentionally walked Castro with two out and a runner on second base in the fifth inning of a tie game. Really, Ron? Really? DJ LeMahieu made Roenicke pay with a booming two-run double to the deepest part of the park; it missed by maybe 10 feet of being LeMahieu's first MLB homer.

Star-divide

Speaking of home runs, Marlon Byrd smashed a three-run job in the sixth that put the game away. If you were wondering, yes, that landed right on my bench. It bounced a couple of rows in front where another of our group got it. That's six seasons -- nearly 500 games -- in that section and that's the very first home run that has landed squarely on our bench. For Byrd, who has had a tough year, it was only his fourth home run since Aug. 1 and he now has a total of just 35 RBI.

Beyond LeMahieu, who had a pair of hits, the story of the day was Garza. LeMahieu even accidentally "helped" Garza by dropping an easy popup that would have ended the game. Instead, Garza registered his 10th strikeout by fanning George Kottaras to end it. It was Garza's third 10-K game of the year, but the first since April. His 3.35 ERA ranks 15th in the National League; not in the top tier of "ace" starters like Cliff Lee, Clayton Kershaw or Roy Halladay, but definitely in the group right behind them. Garza will get one more start, Tuesday in the pitcher's paradise that is Petco Park; he could perhaps even sneak into the top ten.

The Cubs head out for their final road trip of the season starting Friday in St. Louis. Because they won't be flying out until tomorrow, I am not certain when they'll be dressing the rookies in the usual rookie hazing; if I can find out, perhaps I'll try to get some photos. If the Cardinals win tonight, the Brewers could then not clinch the NL Central until Saturday, and St. Louis would stay in the wild card race, so the games this weekend, at least, would still be meaningful. If the Cubs can have a 4-2 road trip, they would avoid losing 90 games; that's something, at least, to shoot for. They are, again, tied with the Pirates for fourth place after Pittsburgh's Thursday afternoon loss to the Diamondbacks.

The paid crowd of 30,965 -- I'll post some crowd estimate data tomorrow or Friday for the last couple of months -- bring the season total to 3,017,966, an average of 37,259 per date. That's down 555 per date from last year, about 1.5%. But the more important factor is revenue. Is it down, up or flat? The Cubs did wind up selling out some of the "marquee" dates with high ticket prices. But many other games had to be discounted up to 50% to get to the three million tickets sold mark, and clearly, there were many thousands of no-shows all season long. It's an interesting question the Cubs must tackle before setting prices for 2012.

After a miserable home season weatherwise, it was probably the nicest day of the year Wednesday afternoon -- about 70 degrees with the wind blowing out, and just a few fair-weather clouds scudding on by. That's how I prefer to remember Wrigley Field and Cubs baseball; sunshine and high skies, the team putting together timely hits and good pitching and winning. That's happened far too few times this season (though the Cubs, after falling to 25-38 at home after losing to the Phillies on July 20, won 14 of their last 18 home games to finish with a 39-42 home mark). They won five of seven games from the Brewers at Wrigley this year and gave the vaunted Milwaukee offense just eight runs and 19 hits in three games. The Brewers have the best home record in baseball, but finished their road season today with just a 39-42 mark, something that could hurt them if they lose a home playoff game.

It is always melancholy to end any baseball season, even a losing one. There will, we hope, be many changes on the field for the Cubs before they take the field at Wrigley on April 5, 2012; those changes will be directed by a new GM and hopefully, a new field manager. Sadness today; hope for the future.

In the meantime, six more Cubs games remain. We will miss it when it's gone for the winter. Enjoy the off day.

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You're upset that the opposing manager walked our best hitter?

The one that everyone says needs to learn to take more walks?

I’ll wait for you to use the “200 hits” argument now.

I don't

see why people would be upset. What were they suppsoe to do? Throw one down the middle?

I guess.

Respect given to Castro, I suppose. That much, I appreciate.

You do understand that however close they are to clinching a playoff spot, they haven't done it yet.

The Brewers are still playing for something. It’s pretty ridiculous to think Ron wouldn’t walk the best hitter on the team with a dude who has barely played coming up.

IN A TIE GAME

Yes.

They’re going to the playoffs. We’re going back to the drawing board. Throw us a frickin’ bone here.

I disagree with that - they aren't in yet

And until they are, they need to play to win.

I know.

I was kidding. Well, mostly. I understand what a letdown that intentional walk must have been, emotionally, for those attending the game.

And how dare the Brewers mess up a Cub trying for a milestone!
Hey, that's how I would've felt sitting in the stands.

Of course, the rational side of me completely understands why they did it.

Agree that it was the right move
This was the first

Cubs game I actually sat and watched since early June lol.

Do NOt understand Johnson batting third and Baker 4th with LaHair batting 8th.

Quade is an idiot and WILL NOT be back. Sorry to say but if he comes back, expect the same old next year.

What do some people think of Soto? I’m kinda fed up with him. I would love to get Mike Napoli but he’s under contract for next year

I like Soto.

I hope he is a Cub in 2012

I haven't given up on Geo.
Soto is terrible

Whether there are better options I don’t know, but the guy is a major disappointment

Seriously?

You realize that his WAR is in the top tier of catchers, right? There are not many Joe Mauers…

Geo is on the alternate-year plan.

He has had good years in 2008 and 2010.

Not quite so good in 2009 and 2011.

I’m only half joking here, but he should be on target for a good year in 2012.

He is not the only one who had every other years.

Bill Buckner did too.

even-odd curse?

What is he, a Star Trek movie?

Hmmm.

You might be on to something.

But seriously, go look at his numbers. It’s weird.

Until he meets his Nemesis.
"There are not many Joe Mauers…."

Even Joe Mauer may not be Joe Mauer that much longer. He’s breaking down as a catcher. His future is likely playing first. At least that way he might make it through more than half a season.

Out of 400 PA's at catcher their are 19 catchers

Soto is ranked 14th out of that list.

So out of 30 teams

Soto is 14th…in a down year. My point is that he isn’t terrible. Catchers are difficult to find.

thats not top tier
But it is better than average.

Keep Soto, get rid of Hill, let Clevenger and Castillo battle it out next spring. With either of them and Soto our catching will be as good as nearly every other team.

name one team that has a top tier player at every position
you could in all honesty...

make a compelling argument for the yankees. if not all positions, then most.

Yeah, they don't really count though

Having a $200 million payroll makes a lot of things possible that aren’t possible for mere mortals.

yes but a 130 million dollar payroll

should get you a top tier position player at SOME positions…

Cubs & Mets

Should be doing a lot better with the very high, but sub-Yankees payroll they have. But alas, they haven’t been getting as much bang for their buck, smack for their simoleons, crack for their clams, mile for their moolah as the Yankees have.

Exactly -- thank you.
Methinks your expectations are a bit too high, Bway.
Have you seen Johnson's SLG%?

Or noticed the amount of doubles he has, or the fact that the Cubs were facing a LHP? Johnson was not a bad choice at all if you look at his numbers and performance vs lefties this season. In fact, Johnson has raked this season.

The Cubs should

They should trade or cut any position player whose last name begins with “S”. Napoli sounds good or any decent catcher who can hit RHPs. Soto is too expensive to be a backup.

If they have to do cost savings somewhere, be it for the huge write-offs for Zambrano and Soriano or for some other reason, then bring back Pena as the next best 1B option. Pena is effective vs RHPs. They can keep LaHair on board too, to backup Pena, if they think he (LaHair) has a future. They can let Baker go. There is a fairly good chance that Fielder or Pujols won’t hit the FA market anyway.

 vs RHP starting pitcher 49-64 total 113 games
 vs LHP starting pitcher 20-23 total 43 games

so we pay a platoon first base 20-30 million for two -three years?

that sounds like we’d be putting a winning team together…GETITDONEJIM!!!!

There's a link in today's Tribune website saying Quade thinks he'll be back.

May God have mercy on our souls if that happens.

Of course he's going to say that

Do you walk into your job saying you think you’re going to be fired at the end of the month?

I did once...
any day i sign on to BCB there is always the distinct possibility.
Garza is a special player..

.. so is Castro. So I guess it’s good to know we have SOMETHING to build around for the future.

And kudos for Castro for slowly improving his patience.

I'm enjoying this binge of BB's

that Castro’s on. Makes me hope he’s that unique type of player who is able to find his weaknesses and improve them.

Quade's last game as manager at Wrigley?

Let’s hope so. Lots of changes coming between now and next April. Let’s just hope that the Cubs are MUCH more competitive next season (and beyond). We fans deserve to watch meaningful games in September.

fighting for

fourth place isn’t meaningful to you?

Well...I can't speak for DKT...

But that level of greatness the Pirates have attained has to mean something! :]

Man, did the Pirates freefall or what?

I was hoping they would find a way to stay in the race. They were great the first half and then BOOM. Whereas the Cubs have been horribly and consistently below average all season…

That marathon game they lost against the Braves due to the bad call

took all of the air out of their sails.

It seems strange to think that one game did that.

But it appears to have done that.

Yep, they started their free fall then.

I was cheering for them, now I want them in the rear view mirror. Somehow I have a feeling that won’t happen.

Pirates finish...

… with three vs. Reds at home. They are 8-4 vs. Cincy, so they could win two of three there.

Then they go to Milwaukee to finish the season. Miller Park is a house of pain for Pittsburgh — they never win there. Even after the Brewers have clinched, they could sweep the Pirates there.

I say the Cubs go 3-3 and Pirates 2-4 and the Cubs finish 4th by a game.

I was hoping this would be the year

For the Pirates to end their long losing streak, especially after this was clearly going to be just another year for the Cubs.

But baseball players/teams are a superstitious lot. Cubs have the black cat, and the Bartman ball just broke their concentration the same way the blown call broke the concentration of the Cards in the 1985 World Series. That blown call for the Pirates seemed to take them out of the zone. I think the same thing happened to the 1986 Red Sox too.

You're on to something here.

There’s definitely something to psychological issues in winning baseball. All the teams you mention seemed to be on their way to victory, and then something WAY out of line happened. It’s very difficult to come back from that unless you have a strong leader who can take the game and slow it down and remind the players where they are and what they are doing.

In all three cases you mention, that did not happen.

I've felt bad for their fans.

I know how it feels to have my team in the race and then see them go into free fall. It’s miserable. It pervades every crack and seam of my being (wait,… that sounded wrong, didn’t it?).

Here is what Q thinks....he says he will be back!

http://m.desmoinesregister.com/sports/article?a=2011110921020&f=1198

This was posted after the game. I hope the.new GM makes a splash and not a wait and see season.

Hate to see the home season end. Glad it went out with a nice win.

Shoot me now...

Of course I don’t blame Quade for saying that. What else is he going to say, right?

Yeah, I don't have any problem with what he said there

He has to act as though he’s coming back and not a dead manager walking. As long as it doesn’t actually happen, I’m fine with him keeping an optimistic mindset about his chances of returning.

If someone says I'll be back...

I expect a car to come crashing through the front wall.

They could keep Quade and make a toilet splash.
On his side

is his good run in the last part of the 2010 season, a 50-50 ish late 2011 season, and a very very crappy early 2011 season (which he could argue was still not on track for 100 losses, just maybe a .400 finish give or take a few percent). Quade can argue 2 out of 3 blocks ain’t bad.

I can see him fooling the organization into signing him for a 2-3 year contract. My advice to the Cubs is, quoting Admiral Ackbar: “It’s a trap!”

I regard their taking Quade over Ryne ....

Right up there with their decision to let Greg Maddux go the first time. I was heartbroken both times.

Good thing I wasn't reading this

while I was drinking. Would have been quite a spit-take.

I dont demand meaningful games in September...

i Do demand meaningful games in May.

Seeing the Brewers team makes me sad knowing

we are nowhere close to them talent wise

Fielder (this year’s team), Braun, Hart, Marcum, Greinke

We have

Castro, Garza

anddddddddd????

This year's about over.

Changes are coming. I’m not worried about now, I’m worried about what changes will be made.

As long as Mike Quade is gone, I'll be less worried.
let's not overstate the impact of Quade's departure

He might have swung 6-8 games this year negatively. Win all 8 and we still ain’t sniffing the playoffs

Nope but .500 is a lot better than where we are.

Plus, in July that would have had us in the race and maybe some things get done. If those wins are in April and May many things could have been different. Coulda, woulda, shoulda, but 2012 simply wasn’t.

The Cubs

are probably going to make less changes than people want.
GM is a given
Manager isn’t necessarily
Soriano will still be there, will still be Mr. Mediocre with a peppering of games he actually performs up to par
Most of the same lineup will probably be there
Zambrano will probably be back, with the Cubs apologizing to him… unless the new GM really wants him gone

and Tyler Colvin will probably be dodging actual bats instead of wooden bats.

Zambrano will be gone.

But because of that, Soriano will be back. Only so much cash can be eaten.

Depends...

… on whether the Cubs can get a taker to pay some of Z’s deal, OR make a buyout where he gets some, but not all, of what he’s owed and then becomes a free agent.

But who would want Zambrano?

The Mariners come to mind, if only because they tend to be suckers for lousy/flawed players and think if a player has a high price tag, he must be good, which might explain their eternal slump. But, who else might want the Big Z?

The Dodgers.

If nothing else, he might put some butts in the seats.

Byrd? Soriano? Baker? The Franchise?!

In all seriousness… LaHair looks good as does Marshall and Barney “passable”

Barney is not a good starting player.

Unless we upgrade most positions, Barney isn’t good enough to warrant a starting job.

He may end up being

‘just average’ I fear. Our options are…?

If he can improve his defense

I’d give Flaherty a shot. LeMahieu is okay but he has to learn to take more walks.

I hate to sound too much like TJ11

but we’ve got a lot more ???s than solid pieces in place for 2012…

I look at it as a roster full of ifs?

We have a roster full of at best average players and players likely playing above their potential. IF they can put it all together next year & play like all-stars . . . That’s a huge if.

Most of the Cubs team

seems average to slightly below average.
It’s Starlin Castro and….?
It’s Ryan Dempster and…?

At this point in their careers...

… Matt Garza >> Ryan Dempster

LaHair

has 45 PA.

He could be another Micah Hoffpauer(sp) for all we know

True.

After Pattersons, Pies and Pagans…history holds only fear for me…sad.

I would have thought the answer was pensiveness

Pensive pagan pies produced by Pattersons

I think he's already showed better patience that Micah. He looks like a different player to me

Is he going to be an everyday starter, or a dude who hits 30 homers in the show? Probably not. Could he be Matt Stairs-like? Maybe, and that would be a nice bench player to have

'Matt Stairs-like'?!

You mean he’ll play till he’s 55yo?! :]

I think you are under-valuing Matt Stairs in this comp.
The dude has played 19 seasons in the Majors,

however his career WAR is 13, so I suppose you did not under-value him.

his name is koyie hill..
...and he is a Golden God.
Jackson isnt here yet

but hoping he a another talented player showing up next year.

Soto might also turn around. He seems to be good every other year. Also their is still hope that Marmol regains his dominance.

I want prince Fielder

Also Edwin Emcarcion has a 3.5 Mill option. Do you think that will be picked up?

WOuld he be a solid signing if Aramis leaves

Encarnacion?

Meh.

Still prefer Pujols over Fielder, Al?

Just wondering.

Egads! Hath Good Sir Al somehow

vanished…thereby eluding this fabled question!?

Ah, it was worth a shot.
Heh.

Dinner time. Anyway, I’m really not sure what I’d want the Cubs to do. Either one would cost a lot of money. They might be better off keeping Carlos Pena and spending the $ on pitching.

You have seen this week what good pitching can do to shut down even a good offense.

I am not thrilled with what is available

on the mound outside of CJ Wilson, who will carry a huge price tag. Not a good year to have so many holes to fill.

Pitching can be traded for also.
Yes, but do we have anything that would bring any quality?

Of course I don’t know next years potential free agents. Maybe there is someone there that we could get from a rebuilding or money saving team.

Exactly.
I think the Cubs really need Fielder.

They need a power bat in their lineup and their prospects are several years away (aside from Brett Jackson).

I’d love Pujols but I’d be afraid he’d handcuff the Cubs. I guess it all depends on what Ricketts perception is.

If they don't get Fielder they need a true platoon.

Either Pena or LaHair, but you need a right handed hitting first baseman since Pena’s splits are so bad. No more of the lefty/lefty platoon we had last spring.

Edwin jackson is a solid young pitcher available War last 3 years (3.5, 3.8, 3.7)

Also maybe we can work out a trade for logan morrison.

There's a reason Edwin Jackson

can’t seem to stick on a roster.

and that is.....?
From what I hear,

he and a girl named Mary Jane are pretty friendly.

So what?

That hasn’t effected Lincecum in the least bit.

Lincecum has won two Cy Youngs

and Jackson goes from team to team like some people change socks. Draw your own conclusions.

Perfect!

Most Cubs games start at 1:20, not 4:20. He’ll be out of the game long before then.

he would be a better

choice than DeWitt or Baker I believe

/shudders uncontrolably/
looks like this...

^... should've been the face of Large Marge

That was a classic moment.

hell no to E5
That would be a pretty freaking awful defensive left side of the field
the possible aramis and hanley ramirez duo could match it
eh

we’ll likely be awful next year anyway

Cuddyer could be a good stop gap

he plays multiple positions and has a decent bat

I'd rather them pursue Alex Gordon of the Royals...

And platoon him with D.J. LeMahieu.

you really think Kansas would trade him
I think that KC is going to be holding on to Alex Gordon.

They wouldn’t trade him when he was bad, you know.

Now that he’s awesome…. they’re keeping him until after 2014, when he’s a free agent. Maybe even beyond that.

Also... did you just say you'd platoon Alex Gordon with DJ LeMahieu?!

Alex Gordon has a 142 OPS+ this year.

Platoon Gordon?

What, Wow.

Prince Fielder...

all we need is the Burger King, the Dairy Queen, and a certified Ace to have a royal flush.

It was fun watching Garza pitch today.

Wind howling out, Brewers needing wins to get the division wrapped up, and he was dominant. He should of been at 110 pitches without the two errors.
 Cubs no question need to add pieces. But there is some good solid players here that can make a interesting team next year. Of course the field manager needs to be replaced.
 I saw on ESPN the bottom line a Ramy quote " Cubs need to show that they are serious about winning and making improvements before I sign" ( Paraphrasing) That type of nonsense doesn’t sit well with me. 3 playoff teams in his 8 years. Not the Yankees with 16 playoffs in the last 17 but not the Pirates who the Cubs rescued him from. He has been paid well by the Cubs. Whether the moves worked out or not, Hendry did try to field a playoff team every year. And lastly, Ramirez needs to look in the mirror.

I don't want Aramis to come back next year.

I appreciate all that he did while he was here, but he doesn’t hustle and I think that this will be his last hurrah as a power hitter. I expect him to decline next year. Better for the Cubs to turn third base over to a new guy in 2012.

As long as we do

what’s necessary to get compensatory draft picks

This X 10.
I don't mind his words.

Coupled with his flat out refusal to waive his NTC? I mind that.

Al - disappointed in your lack of hustle...

I know it was the 81st game of the season, but you have to leave your feet to get that home run ball. :)

LOL!
I saw that Al. Should have gone horizontal.

Hoping many more to hit your row in 2012.

In Al's defense...

…I believe he did take a couple of steps toward the ball. I actually hit the rewind on my DVR so I could get a good look.

One of these days, Al. Sadly, like the Cubs, it’s wait til next year once again.

Yes.

I saw that one right off the bat. But it just hit the wrong place and got away from me.

There’s always next year.

Last game Garza started i was joking that Garza had a shot at 200 innings

All he had to do was pitch 2 complete games. Now that he has 1 Complete game down and he is pitching at Petco against the Padres there is definitely a good chance he gets to 200 innings. Especially with Quade managing , he will get the chance to throw 9 innings. Quade might let him get to 130’s pitch count.

Garza is pretty damn close to being an Ace. Hes not a numnber probably a 1.5. Since the Allstar break he has been pitching like an Ace.

I told you Al...

Castro’s one hit per game in the home stand was not going to get him to 200 at home.

Sigh.

Unfortunately, you were right.

I'm hoping

Dempster doesn’t approve his player option.

Please Dempster Please leave!!!

And replace him with who?

Dempster is a good 3, over paid yes, but what other options are there. The new GM will not be able to make 17 trades and sign 11 free agents.

Oh yes he will, everybody says so.

I think Dempster is back, along with Ramirez. There will be a 30-40% roster overhaul at best.

40% is a lot.

That would be 10 new players. And we could use that.

Agreed but it will easily be a half dozen.

Grabow, Hill, Lopez, Ortiz, should be no brainers. DeWitt and Baker should get replaced by kids. Minimum one outfielder will be gone. Not to mention Z. That is 7 or 28% and most of us would like to lose several others. I’ll go with 30%.

Actually, with one OF and Z you are up to 8 or 32% - so they should hit your 30% easily

Should hit it, at least….

Ramirez sounds like he won't be back

Can we think about going after edwin jackson and CJ Wilson? Garza, Wilson, Jackson, Dempster, and Wells.

I think starting pitching is the quickest way to turn this around.

If Dempster returns, they should consider him the 4th starter and work on acquiring or signing a top of the rotation guy. Wilson and Sabathia (if he files) seem like the only #1 quality starters potentially on the market, assuming that the Cardinals retain Wainwright. Buerhle is another starter I think the Cubs should consider, especially if Dempster leaves.

Dempster is not a #4, at worst he's a 3...

a Big NO to Buerhle, I’d much rather have John Danks who is also a free agent I believe.

Dempster has the stats of a #4 this year.

I think he can bounce back to an extent next year, but he’s not going back anywhere close to his 2008 level.

I agree, he's definitely not the same pitcher as he was in 2008,

which was simply a career year for him and Hendry foolishly overpaid him as the ace that he wasn’t and isn’t. However, I still feel that Demp can be a solid #3 pitcher (at least on an NL Central team). I would not be in favor of extending his contract beyond next season however.

He really has pitched like a #4 in 2011 (> 4.50 ERA, a number of really rough outings)

Don’t see that getting better next year at age 35.

Danks has one more year of arbitration.

But the prevailing thought seems to be the Sox can’t afford to keep Buerhle (face of the franchise, with Konerko) and Danks because of their other SPs and financial obligations. So many are speculating that Danks might be prime trade bait, since they would then get a return other than draft picks.

I'd definitely inquire about Danks.
I'd like to get Danks, too.

But I think Kenny Williams would be very difficult to deal with. He seems hyperaware of the whole Cubs-Sox thing, and he wouldn’t want to risk coming out on the losing end of a big trade like that.

Plus do the Cubs have anything that the Sox would even want in return?

Perhaps the Cubs are better off waiting until after 2012 to pursue Danks assuming he becomes a FA.

Danks does seem like a decent pick-up...

If Kenny Williams doesn’t want to look the loser in that trade, he can just get raw cash in return and maybe some prospects. If the fanbase thinks its a fair price and that a roughly equal pitcher can be picked up from another team, they wouldn’t balk (Balk? Who called a balk?). Prospects are like unopened packs of cards. Maybe they have that chase card (will become a great player), or maybe it’s just a bunch of duplicates you can do nothing with. That + cash would mute any feeling of Cubs pulling the blue wool over the Sox’s eyes.

Well if he left

You’d have an extra 13 million to go spend on another pitcher. The problem is that there’s only a few quality pitchers on the market.

Agreed

I’m just not a Dempster fan

Changes have to be made and I hope they are coming...

The Cubs have a huge opportunity this offseason to turn this team around and it has to begin at the top. First, a new GM. And second, a new manager. The GM and manager are going to have to work together in creating a blueprint for the future and I’d like to see an emphasis made on “character” guys. No more prima donnas or lollygaggers. So that means saying “goodbye” to Aramis Ramirez, Carlos Zambrano and Alfonso Soriano. I would like to see Kerry Wood return in 2012, but if he doesn’t it might not be such a bad thing. I say that because that would mean there would no longer be any Cubs remaining from the Dusty Baker and Lou Piniella years. I think that they need to wipe the slate clean and start over with a new group of men.

Third...

A new hitting coach. Jaramillo was a Hendry guy. I’m sure he is a great coach, but his philosophy seems old school. The name of the game these days is knock out the starting pitcher and get to the bullpen. The Cubs as a team need to work the counts better. I’d like to see the Cubs employ a hitting coach who places greater emphasis on working the count, even if he is a relatively unknown coach from the minors.

And who plays 3B?

There’s no better option than Ramirez. There are enough black holes on this team that there’s no reason to create yet another one. The guy has had a pretty decent year.

Vitters may never be the guy. You want Baker/DeWitt at 3B? That’s what you’ll probably get, if you pay off A Ram to leave. There’s nobody else out there. Unless, those rumors of A Ram to the Marlins are true, and they have somebody in their system that can play third, who could be tossed into that imaginary deal.

People want to create a black hole at 3B

for spite. I don’t know why else.

Exactly

I am not a fan when Ramy swings at first pitches it seems 70% of the time or when he does not hustle. But he is a proven bat on a team that lacks production terribly.
 Make a fair offer.

I'm not in favor of creating a black hole at 3b,

however, it depends on the focus of the new GM. not that the new GM will come out and say they are clearing the way for 2013 to really and truly contend, and not just the Jim Hendry spring training “I think we’ll be contenders this year” version, i’m okay with somebody cheap at 3b to get to 2013 where we’ll be legit.

Why do you think

they’ll be legit in 2013?

That is Ramirez's choice at this point

And unless the Cubs get a GM in place, they may lose him by default.

Keep the line moving
three long-time Cubs — Aramis Ramirez, Carlos Zambrano and Kerry Wood — are the only ones left from the 2003 NL Central champions.

Fading out like the 2003 post-season t-shirt that I have.

even Gary Hughes

will be leaving.

Clearly Wood and Z will not appear for the rest of the season

but I would shocked if A-Ram does not. Perhaps you meant none of them may ever appear again as a Cub at Wrigley?

It looks like the Cubs will decide who the wild card is

Cardinals look like they might be within 1 game of Atlanta. St. louis has a really good shot at making the playoffs. Atlanta plays the Phillies the last 3 games and Cardinals play the Lastros.

We could crush the Cardinals playoffs hope by taking 2 out of 3.
.

That would be sweet

and would leave a good taste in the mouth at the end of the year. Anytime you can knock the Cards out of the playoffs, it is worth something.

I'd hope so.

I’d prefer to see the Braves in the playoffs than the Cards.

The Cards are the only team in the NL

with a winning record against the Phillies this year. If they get in as the wild card and play the Phillies, it might get interesting.

Teams that get too good lose.

Ask the 2001 Mariners. There’s an optimum winning percentage. And unless a team is owned by Richie Rich (cough, Yankees, cough), getting too high and perhaps they be resting on their laurels and they screw up the postseason.

Pundits predicted a Red Sox steamroller and they’re now choking on some of that nice steaming clam chowder. And their lobster rolls have become lobster rofls. Phillies are good, but let’s not just hand them the NL pennant. Same with the Yankees. How many years they got to the postseason that they didn’t make it to the World Series?

Teams that get too good lose?

Ask the 1998 Yankees about that.

2nd line...

Set aside an exception for the Yankees because they can buy more favorable odds for themselves.

Padres last year.

Cards this year. I’ll take it.

Walking Castro in the 5th was the right move
DJ had a good game...does he get another start?
I'd think against San Diego, certainly.
It should be Friday if Aram does not play.....
Sure.

But I’d bet it will be Baker.

Because quade is a bad manager?
Pretty much.
He says he is coming back....I know he has to say this....But what do you think his chances are, Al?
It all depends on who the new GM is.
If the new GM does not take care of it....He will lose credibility right off the bat.
the box says no

In some alternate reality...

The Cubs have won 1, perhaps even more, World Series since 1908. Of course, odds are in that reality, it would be the Southside Cubs and the Northside Black Sox, whose tainted team get called the White Sox. And there’s the Boston Green Sox… and the Cardinals have an color-correct cardinal as their mascot too, not that joke of a cardinal.

Byrd

I don’t think that you can overstate the effect that the bean ball had on Byrd this year. Hitting is an exercise in controlled fear at the best of times. When you have a bone in your face broken, it must be very hard to come back from with the same level of aggression. I was never very good at hitting because I was a pitcher too and knew how often I would dust someone and instill fear in them. A batter’s fear is your friend as a pitcher…and the enemy of a hitter. Anyway, I think that Bryd is likely suffering the mental effects of the bean ball still.

I disagree, I think he simply tries too hard.

He should be a 7 or 8 hitter and his numbers would be ok.

did you compare his numbers pre/post injury?
Yep

Did you compare his numbers first half and second half last year? He is inconsistent.

did you think my reply was to you?
I wasn't sure, if not my apologies.
it was to Archie

I don’t have an opinion either way, it was simply a question… I don’t think it would have mattered all that much, anyway.

Well, here you go.

Pre-injury: .308/.346/.419, 3 HR, 11 RBI in 182 PA
Post-injury: .263/.319/.380, 5 HR, 21 RBI in 280 PA

Result: inconclusive. (Numbers do not include today’s game.)

I thought as much...

didn’t see a HUGE change…

Byrd had a bad 2nd half

similar to last year. He might need more days off later in the season as he continues to do poorly in august and September.

and learn how to not swing at the first pitch
How about this scenario.

Byrd plays up until the day BJax can be called up and not lose the extra year towards free agency. That day, he gets called up and starts the rest of the year.

fine by me...

if he tears it up in spring, I’d have no problem with him coming north with the team and starting right away.

any difference could as easily be attributed to the guard on his helmet...
Thanks for doing my work for me.

I had to go do something on my son’s computer for school tomorrow. Anyway, maybe it isn’t the bean ball, but I think that it likely has something to do with it. Just an opinion. I know that it would take me a long while to get back from something like that…if ever.

No argument from me...

I’ve played ball all my life, that kinda thing affects people differently.

It seems like since coming back, he has walked up to the plate swinging

I doubt that is a residual effect from getting hit.

Same level of aggression?

We’ve been bitching about him being too aggressive all year.

byrd has become so scared of the ball he decided to just get it over with as quickly as possible
Heh. true.

I’m not talking about what you swing at, though, but the abandon and lack of care that you swing with. When you have .03 seconds to decide whether to swing and where to swing in order to hit a major league fastball, all it takes is a hint of doubt about where that pitch is really going and it will mess with the end result. I’m likely wrong as he is a big league hitter. But it is my opinion that it likely has something to do with it.

Garza's been really good this year.

Gotta improve the defense around him, as well as his own.

I follow hockey as closely as baseball

so that closes the gap for me.

4-2 Road trip? Al, they have three in San Diego. Death. Never. Works. Out. Here.

That being said, I have (free) Field boxes for Tuesday. I would not be there otherwise to see two teams that will have lost a combined 180 games. If they take 1 of three here, consider it a moral victory.

The unknown young Padres pitchers…..no book on some of these guys. Always a problem.

But the weather will be nice.

I'll be at that game as well.

First trip down to Petco. I’m really looking forward to it regardless of the fact that the Cubs look like crap.

Quade has his own

Reality distortion field. Like a politician whose poll numbers are in the 30 percent range but still thinks he can be elected.

Well he does have NOT Bruce in his corner
That was a really nice win

Great to see the kids contribute and Garza was outstanding

So none of them will be in the lineup tomorrow and Garza is in the doghouse for refusing to strike out on purpose....
Welcome to the 2011 Cubs

Everything you know is wrong…

Well maybe we'll get an Ortiz start before the end of the year.

Coleman won’t start because he told everyone he gets his direction from his Dad not the Cubs and now Garza told Quade to shove it.

Nite Wrigley. Good times ahead.
always

hope for the future.without hope what’sthe point of going on.

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