Rendering of the new party deck and video board to be installed in right field at Wrigley Field. (Courtesy Chicago Cubs)
On Friday, the Cubs broke news at the convention with the theatrical introduction of Kerry Wood, re-signed to a one-year deal for $3 million with a team option for 2013 (reportedly at the same dollar amount).
On Saturday, the Cubs again made news by announcing that a party deck patio, with a video board that will be about 75 feet long and 10 feet high in front of it. This will replace the "bleacher boxes", seats that in the last few years have been very difficult for the Cubs to sell (since they were essentially bleacher seats, though seats instead of benches, sold at a 20% premium to regular bleacher tickets).
Above is a rendering of what this will look like. Construction has not yet begun, but Carl Rice, Cubs Vice President of Ballpark Operations, insisted it will be ready for Opening Day on April 5.
This is an outstanding idea. It will bring some more information (including pitch counts and pitch speeds) into Wrigley without overwhelming the park, and without doing anything to the existing scoreboard. I know some people are vehemently against such boards. Crane Kenney, Cubs President of Business Operations, took a poll in the business management session after this was revealed, asking if people wanted a board showing replays. It was about 60/40 in favor.
One thing I didn't have time to mention in my Friday night post (because it had already taken 30 minutes to write even that short amount via my phone) is that I heard that day, that the internet radio broadcasts of spring training games with Len Kasper are likely to continue in 2012. That was an outstanding idea last season and I'm happy that the Cubs are most likely going to do it again.
After the jump, a summary of all the important sessions at this year's Cubs Convention.

I went generally to sessions involving current team management and ownership, in order to get a better insight into the future of the team. That's not to say that I'm not interested in the history of the Cubs -- you surely know I am -- only that the future is so important, and there are only so many hours in the day.
One of the things I didn't care for was the fact that instead of the usual one session with Cubs baseball management, they had two -- one with Theo Epstein by himself, the other with Jed Hoyer, Dale Sveum and Randy Bush. This would have been fine -- but they were scheduled back-to-back, which meant in order to get to the second one (Theo's was first), I had to leave the Theo session early in order to get a seat at the other one.
I know that Theo's was scheduled early because he had to take off to get to Boston for a fundraiser for his "Foundation To Be Named Later"; that's fine. But they should have given 30 minutes in between the two sessions to make it easier for people to get to both.
That said, the Theo session was SRO. And when I say "SRO", I mean every seat was filled and people were standing four-deep at the back of the Grand Ballroom of the Hilton, probably the largest crowd I have ever seen for any session in convention history, larger even than the "Meet The Ricketts" session when they had their first one two years ago. Theo and Len Kasper sat in oversize easy chairs on the stage (reminded me of one of those kids TV shows where the adult character sits in a huge easy chair to make him or her look more childlike).
A number of questions were asked that I think you've heard Theo answer before regarding how the organization needs to be built from the bottom up, and that was the reason for the Sean Marshall trade (among other deals); he also touched on how the new CBA's draft rules will change things:
It doesn't put us at a disadvantage, instead it creates a scouting contest. It will create new strategy. We have to be better, because we can't stockpile picks. So we'll hire the best scouts, pay them well, and just have the best information on the prospects.
Jed Hoyer, in his session, also mentioned the phrase "scouting contest". Theo then went on to describe the new proprietary computer system the Cubs are developing with Bloomberg Sports:
Every business has an information management system. Baseball operations has a lot of data, many times what it was years ago. Every team needs a system like this, to put all the information in one place. We built our own in Boston to help us make better decisions and that took two to three years. The Cubs system was old, so we partnered with Bloomberg, who has experience, but we can customize and keep intellectual property rights.
Jed Hoyer also expanded on this, saying that it's a matter of having all the info "at our fingertips", giving an example that there are times when a trade is proposed and you might have only a couple of hours to make a decision and you'd want to be able to have info quickly so you can make an informed decision.
Theo said this about Dale Sveum:
He's a hard worker, the most prepared coach I've ever been around. He preaches hard work, preparation, respecting the game. I believe he can connect with the modern player. That's hard not to do without coddling; he's a true baseball guy but holds them to high standards. Every player will run hard to 1B.
I wondered whether some of that statement about "coddling" was a bit of a knock on the previous regime. For Sveum's part, here's how he described himself:
There's no other place I'd rather manage. I don't like the term "player's manager." I'm just a manager. I want the players to play hard and respect me. The players will be held accountable; you do have to have fun, but play hard.
Sveum was asked about Wrigley and its winds and said (and Jed and Theo echoed this) that Wrigley can be two different ballparks, one with the wind blowing out, one with it blowing in. He said that they intend to have a more "athletic" team; he noted that Tony Campana had helped beat the Brewers a couple of times with his speed.
Jed stressed "preparation" in answer to a question about all the errors made last year. He said that would help pitchers; fielders have to understand that "errors cause pitchers to throw extra pitches" and defensive players need to understand the ramifications of that.
The thing I took most out of Theo's session, for lack of a better term, is that he "gets it." You might roll your eyes at that, but hear me out. Veteran baseball men like Dusty Baker and Lou Piniella came to Chicago, seemed completely overwhelmed even at their first Cubs convention, and years later both said they had "no idea" what they were getting into.
I think Theo knows exactly what he's getting into. He said he'd remember the Kerry Wood announcement moment for the rest of his life. He saw the joy in Boston when they won their first World Series in 86 years in 2004 and said he knows it will be the same in Chicago. I believe Theo understands very well the connection between Cubs fans and the team, the lifelong loyalties all of us have. Obviously, that in and of itself will not produce a winning team. It's having the right people in place under him, having the right strategy, and procuring the right players. I believe Theo knows exactly how to do that. It's more clear than ever that the right management team is in place.
After a break for lunch and to walk through the exhibit halls -- which had been completely rearranged to make room for large exhibits from Lego and Best Buy, and it seemed as if there were far fewer vendors in general than previous years -- I headed to the Ricketts family session.
After two full years in ownership, Tom Ricketts and his siblings seem extremely comfortable in their roles. They joked around with each other about who makes decisions (Pete said he does "since I'm the oldest"; Todd's rejoinder was, "We wait till Pete leaves the room and then we decide", and Tom claimed, "When we make a good decision it's ours; when it's bad it's my fault.")
They were asked what teams they look to as examples (besides the obvious one, the Red Sox). Tom Ricketts said he has a good relationship with Jerry Reinsdorf and also praised Giants ownership, then quipping, "There's another West Coast team we really don't want to emulate right now." (The Dodgers, I presume.)
On specific issues, they said they hope to be able to start Wrigley renovations next offseason; during the business management session, Cubs Executive Vice President, Community Affairs/General Counsel Mike Lufrano said the team has no intention of moving out for a year during any renovations (even though they could be finished faster that way), instead doing them during offseasons.
A question was asked to Tom Ricketts about additional night games; he said the team has no intention right now of asking for more night games (and the crowd reacted negatively even to the suggestion, though I would not agree with that reaction). He did mention something I've said here before, that the Cubs would like to have the option, two or three times a year, to be able to play a Friday night home game coming off a road trip, and they might try to negotiate that in the future.
Regarding the McDonald's property, which was purchased by the Ricketts family (not by the Cubs organization), Tom Ricketts said:
We decided property in Wrigleyville doesn't come up very often, so we wanted to buy it in an effort to help make the neighborhood better. This year, McDonald's will stay, but something will go up on the south end of the parking lot. We have no plans long term for it until the Wrigley renovations are done.
There were a number of points raised in the business management session, which actually ran about 15 minutes longer than its allotted time; there were a number of good questions and informative answers:
That's a lot to digest, which is one reason I had to wait until morning to post all of this. It's a long and exhausting day. Overall, the convention seemed a bit less crowded than in some recent years when it was sold out (it wasn't again this year), although there were more people there than in 2011. Again, I'd love to see the Cubs find another venue for this event; it just isn't suited to an old-style hotel like the Hilton. In particular, the opening ceremony squeezes people, all standing, into one room that's ill-suited for it, and you can't get all convention-goers into the room; many have to watch on monitors in other ballrooms. Combine that with the distance many have to walk between sessions, the ridiculously long wait for elevators, the overpriced food and drink sold by the hotel (the Cubs' ballpark food selections, amazingly, are a better value), and I think it's time for the Cubs to find another place for their signature event. Where? Maybe the downtown Hyatt Regency, which is a more modern hotel that has large event space like the Hilton. That's just one suggestion.
I did run into quite a number of BCBers this weekend; rather than start naming you and forgetting someone, I'll just say -- good to see all of you and thanks for the compliments I heard about this site. Much appreciated.
What this event accomplishes, in the end, is to be a pep rally for Cubs baseball. There's nothing wrong with that on its face. More important is to await the results of what Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer are just beginning, of course, and that may take a couple of years to come to fruition.
And in just five weeks, pitchers and catchers will report to Mesa.
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I love how
people assume the Cubs are ripping off Fenway’s Green Monster seating. Okay, if that’s the case then everyone who uses Ivy in some fashion, are they ripping off the Cubs? I like this. Anything to make our park better I’m 100% for. I’ve enjoyed my first convention this weekend as well.
Cubbinstrongsince86 - January 15, 2012
It does look similar to Green Monster seating.
To which I say, “So what?” It’s still Wrigley.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
I believe with the ivy
that would make the ‘Green Monster’ Swamp Thing or Marvel’s knockoff, Man-Thing. Or maybe the Green Giant if the vegetable company buys naming rights.
ddoubleheader - January 15, 2012
Voted "Love It"
Assuming “and the bonus cash that will come with it” is included in my answer.
timh815 - January 15, 2012
Precisely.
They’re not going to turn Wrigley into a Chase Field-like circus. But extra $ from a small video board and sponsored party deck? Sign me up.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
Circus?
Isn’t The House That Hustling Built in Miami the circus with that gaudy statue past the outfield? If the Cubs want to top them, better get some of those animatronic robot bears from Chuck E. Cheese.
ddoubleheader - January 15, 2012
Right.
Haven’t seen the Miami stadium in game action yet. But it will probably make Chase Field look sedate.
Al Yellon - January 16, 2012
I love the deck idea.
But I enjoyed sitting in the bleacher box seats at Wrigley a couple times. Didn’t know they were tough to sell.
I went to the broadcasters session immediately after Jed/Dale/Randy. I asked something I’ve been wondering for a while — whether a big-league hitting coach can affect the patience of big-league hitters, or if hitters are already as patient as they’re going to get (generally) when they get to the big leagues. As many of you know, this is an important question in my mind, because of the return of Rudy Jaramillo. His return is the most disappointing move by the Cubs this offseason, in my opinion.
Brenly and Moreland both kind of sidestepped the question (which was disappointing). They gave a lot of generalities (some pitchers are different, some hitters are different, etc.). Moreland said something about being personally close with Jaramillo. Then the topic turned to Aramis Ramirez. Moreland and Brenly both said the Cubs’ first-pitch hacking would go down with the departure of Aramis.
The more I think about the way the question was answered, the less I like it. It was clear the broadcasters gathered had no love for Aramis, which we already knew, of course. But Aramis was far from the only first-pitch hacker on last year’s team. Without checking the stats, I remember Byrd swinging at more first pitches, and (obviously) he was less successful doing so.
The whole incident illuminates something that generally bothers me about the convention (though I know it’s not surprising): The lack of candor — and the speakers’ strategy (at times) to deflect by criticizing departed players.
Oh, and Al — you’re so right about needing to move this thing to another hotel. Beyond the fact that the Hilton is too small, it’s also kind of in a weird part of downtown. Moving it north (closer to Michigan Avenue) makes sense for tourists (who would have more food and entertainment options) and for Cubs who live in the city (who generally live farther north).
elgato - January 15, 2012
The Hilton is, of course, on Michigan Avenue.
But you likely meant NORTH Michigan Avenue.
The Hyatt Regency would be a far better choice.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
Yeah.
The Hilton is on Michigan Avenue — but I was referring to the area around the Hancock Center that is far more lively. The area around the Hilton in the South Loop is more of a business district.
elgato - January 15, 2012
Downtown Sheraton
I’m not sure how much space in total is needed, and if its big enough, but I went to a conference a few years back at the downtown Sheraton. Great flow between where all of the sessions were, many being on different floors. They also have ample room for an exhibit hall. The location is great and you can easily walk to lots of different restaurants and bars.
Speaking in general, though, our conference is in a different city every year and some hotels are better than others. The hotel makes a big difference on the overall conference.
dmlichte - January 15, 2012
Yeah.
The Sheraton isn’t far from the Hyatt Regency and is close to those other North Michigan Ave. locations.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
My Chicago home away from home
However, dining and bar options within the hotel are very limited. It is within walking distance of most everything, including Navy Pier.
BeerCub - January 15, 2012
hey beercub
you going to the Hundley fantasy camp?
VegasCubFan - January 15, 2012
How about
a Days Inn? a Best Western? a Motel 8? Or would that not make it seem like the team is committed to winning? I guess that would be more for the Pirates & Royals.
ddoubleheader - January 15, 2012
No, not this year
I have a torn meniscus in my right knee. I’ll be rehabbing.
BeerCub - January 15, 2012
sorry to hear about the knee
will miss you there.
VegasCubFan - January 15, 2012
Thanks, I'll miss being there
Best part is, I didn’t hurt it in any spectacular way. Too many trips up and down ladders putting up Christmas lights.
BeerCub - January 16, 2012
Sorry to hear you can't make it.
I did the same thing with my left knee last summer (no idea how it happened). Good luck with your rehab.
Thanks for all your helpful advice in my post a few months ago.
katie casey - January 16, 2012
Moral of the story - leave the lights up year-round
unless you live in one of those communities with ordinances against that kind of thing…
ballhawk - January 16, 2012
It looks stupid leaving your lights up all year. =P
Better off not putting them up at all.
katie casey - January 16, 2012
get well
Cubbie-Tim - January 16, 2012
Now, I'm not the smartest BCBer here...
but (IIRC) I thought that I’d read (“somewhere” and more than once) the the winds don’t really influence Wrigley the way most people think they do…please, correct me if I’m wrong? /looks around…prepares to make use of available cover/
jeffstorm2 - January 15, 2012
The wind blows IN more than it blows out.
Or, at least, that has been the case in recent years.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
Thank You Sir
(I wish I could remember exactly where I found the “long-term info” on Wrigley wind in/out stats…likely was in paper form). It pretty much seemed to indicate wind was (overall) a non-factor in Cubs W/L over the years. Maybe I’ll do some digging. (Yes, I know this runs contrary to popular belief).
jeffstorm2 - January 15, 2012
More night games should = wind is less of a factor
Since in most places, winds not related to a front tend to die down at dusk. Unfortunately, this does not effect the cold. sleeting winds off the lake associated with “spring” storm systems.
ClarkFan - January 16, 2012
Al ...
one thing related to this that I find very interesting: Tony Campana is firmly in the team’s plans for next year. That’s a telling point, given the number of outfielders (and the available outfielders linked to the Cubs).
Soriano, Byrd, Sapelt, Johnson, DDJ, Campana, Cespedes. By my count, that’s seven — before even mentioning Brett Jackson.
Byrd could easily be traded, but Soriano looks like he’ll return (and trading him will be harder than dealing Zambrano). I guess what I’m saying is, I can’t figure how Cespedes is in the plans if Campana is (and Soriano returns).
elgato - January 15, 2012
Unless
… they’d intend to sign Cespedes and not start him in the major leagues.
We’ll see about trades. I don’t think Theo and Jed are done dealing yet.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
Also, you don't sign Cespedes unless he's ready for the bigs.
Soler could start in Iowa.
elgato - January 15, 2012
Cepesdes isn't ready for AAA
if his breaking ball allergy persists. At 19, Soler could try Daytona, or even Peoria for a bit.
timh815 - January 15, 2012
Sounds like an argument for Soler over Cespedes
ClarkFan - January 16, 2012
I've been soundly in that camp since word of the two came out.
bdlugz - January 16, 2012
I think..
Something has to happen. Someone has to get traded, leaving the outfield at Soriano in left, Jackson in center, and DeJesus in right. Johnson and Campana play occasionally. If the Cubs get Cespedes (which I doubt, especially considering how hard the Marlins are pursuing him) – the Cubs would have to get rid of Soriano at some point this season.
Unique - January 15, 2012
I can't figure the Sapelt acquisition.
elgato - January 15, 2012
Unless it's for competition.
He could beat someone else out. If nothing else, he’ll be the starting CF at Iowa.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
No he won't.
If Brett Jackson doesn’t make the club (which could still happen).. he’d be the starter in Iowa.
Unique - January 15, 2012
Jackson could start in RF.
Or, Sappelt in LF.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
Why would you start Jackson in right?
I mean, he could play the position, I’m sure. But what would be the point?
elgato - January 15, 2012
Because maybe he's the RF of the future?
Instead of the CF of the future?
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
Have we seen anything to indicate that?
elgato - January 15, 2012
No.
Just a random thought on my part.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
I don't think the Cubs ...
would have signed DDJ for 2 years if Jackson is the RF of the future.
elgato - January 15, 2012
Perhaps not.
Like I said, a random thought.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
They got him to add depth and
to give them trade flexibility. Pitching is not the only area you need depth. Why else sign Amezaga, Mather, Gonzalez, and Corpas.
jpeters407 - January 15, 2012
Sheesh--I've seen easier sweat downs..
delivered by waterboard CIA types. :c-)
cubfever7 - January 15, 2012
Where Jackson will play is fluid
He is capable of playing all three spots but would fit best in LF since he lacks a plus arm and only has plus range in the eyes of most scouts.
If he comes up this year, he obviously isn’t seeing much RF as long as +/- king DeJesus is healthy. Byrd is the league average CF that Jackson seems to be thought of as so he could play there or LF. If Byrd is gone, Campana might see a lot of time in center as the team’s only plus plus range CF.
In the future, Jackson will be shifted to RF if Szczur develops the hitting ability to complement his plus plus range in CF. There are other prospects that are longer shots to develop in the next few years that are better fits in CF and RF.
If none pan out, I think the Cubs plan would love to add OF pieces that pushes Jackson down the outfield defense spectrum to create a plus defensive outfield across the board.
boubucarow - January 15, 2012
Jackson actually likely is the RF of the future...
But it will be down the line some. He’s not incredible defensively, but he’s most likely league average at this point. As he ages and loses some of his speed, he likely wont be able to play CF. I think he’s our CFer for about 4-5 years, or unless someone like Szczur is ready before that, he may move for him.
bdlugz - January 15, 2012
Well then Sappelt could play LF.
It’s not like we have a bunch of stud outfielders at Iowa. Sappelt is good young depth at least, and could replace Reed as the fourth outfielder in 2013.
Dcr18 - January 16, 2012
I guess depth.
But I don’t get it either.
Unique - January 15, 2012
Maybe he was just a throw-in.
But, why get him and then re-sign Reed?
elgato - January 15, 2012
Different skillsets.
Sappelt is a better baserunner.
Reed is probably a better hitter and fielder.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
Campana makes it as a baserunner.
Sapelt either takes Johnson’s job or he takes Campana’s job. Or, the Cubs don’t care that much and Sapelt starts in Iowa.
elgato - January 15, 2012
Sappelt.
Two "p"s.
Anyway, this makes for depth and ST competition.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
That goes back to my original point.
Campana isn’t just “in the mix”. The Cubs brass talked like he was assured a roster spot.
elgato - January 15, 2012
I hope so.
He’s quickly becoming my favorite player.
katie casey - January 15, 2012
I heard he (Campana) had added some muscle this offseason...
also heard Geo lost some weight (again). Were you able to see them?
Unique - January 15, 2012
Yeah I heard that Campana gained 10 lbs.
I hope that doesn’t affect his speed.
katie casey - January 15, 2012
No. Just saw the photo of Geo.
elgato - January 15, 2012
I have some photos that I'll post later today.
Unfortunately, I don’t have any of Campana.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
Used right Campana will win several games for the Cubs,
he is a pinch-runner, not a pinch-hitter. After he pinch-runs, he can then double switch with Soriano who should never play past the 7th inning.
jpeters407 - January 15, 2012
We saw him in the players one
we went to. I knew he was short but I didn’t realize HOW short.
Madison Cub Fan - January 15, 2012
Campana is listed at 5-8.
Um… no.
Al Yellon - January 16, 2012
Can he be photographed? Or does he outrace the photons, so they can't reach the lens of the camera?
ClarkFan - January 16, 2012
Because Reed is a better player right now.
Sappelt could very well take over Reed’s spot in 2013, but it doesn’t hurt him to play AAA this year and provide good depth.
Dcr18 - January 16, 2012
And not like Johnson is guaranteed to make it through the season without a DL stint
ClarkFan - January 17, 2012
Young depth.
He could take Reed’s role by 2013.
Dcr18 - January 16, 2012
And wouldn't it be nice to have a competition for roster spots instead of a desperate search for depth?
ClarkFan - January 16, 2012
Well Sapelt and Jackson could be in Iowa.
With Johnson and Campana off the bench. That’s not me pining for a Cespedes signing, but I’m just saying it could definitely work if Byrd was traded. However, I really want Soler bad.
Dcr18 - January 16, 2012
I love the video board..
and I hope they end up showing replays also. It’s 2012. Those who don’t like Wrigley is improving – simply are people who don’t like change. Wrigley needs a facelift. It’s finally getting one. Kudos to the Ricketts family.
Unique - January 15, 2012
g'morning Unique
I think a lot of fans don’t object to changes, assuming they’re done “tastefully”, blending into the current structure rather than standing out from it
jeffstorm2 - January 15, 2012
This won't be a replay board.
They asked about a replay board at the session — something that would be in addition to this. The show of hands, as I wrote, was about 60/40 in favor.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
I know that's why I said
“I hope they end up showing replays also” ..
Did it sound like it’s a firm chance replays will be shown in the future?
Unique - January 15, 2012
A chance, yes.
But not on that board — they made it sound like it would be a different board.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
Ok.
Probably best anyway. It would look really cheap and cheesy to have the a replay board there.
Unique - January 15, 2012
To elaborate..
A replay board would probably look best at or around the scoreboard, where pretty much everyone can see it.
Unique - January 15, 2012
What is rendered is way too skinny to be a video replay board.
Looks just slightly bigger than the ‘ribbon’ LED boards on the baseline grandstand facades.
San Diego Smooth Jazz Man - January 15, 2012
What's this about Castro
not making his scheduled appearance?
katie casey - January 15, 2012
I heard on TV
That he did not do a speaking Q&A session, but he did do an autograph session.
RiskyBusiness - January 15, 2012
I imagine...
That until the assault allegations are dealt with Castro won’t be speaking to much of anyone…
You know if he had done a session someone would ask questions and until it’s been handled he’s not gonna speak publicly…
Al,
I have to agree about the Hilton… it’s a mess they way things are all over the hotel and I’m sure people are tired of hearing me harp on accessibility issues, but the Hilton is a nightmare with the chair lifts and so in…
Getting to the Continental room and the Boulevard room and one or two others was a PITA…
On the up side getting there from Ogilvie Metra was a breeze… grab the 14 bus and you’re a block from the place…
Endrick - January 15, 2012
Castro also did not attend the media session that I attended on Friday.
I’m guessing they don’t want him making any statements, and his attorneys probably have advised him not to.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
That was my thought exactly...
I really hope the allegations are not true…
Endrick - January 15, 2012
Right.
And with that, let’s not let this thread get started on that again. Waiting for more facts to come out.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
So Wrigley's landmark status has no effect on this party deck/video board?
BeerCub - January 15, 2012
No
… because it doesn’t change any of the landmarked things (the marquee, the ivy, the brick wall).
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
That is a terrible rendering of the video board/seating.
It looks like it was done by a high school art student. Surely they could have had somebody with a little experience and talent come up with a better rendering.
Imtrejo - January 15, 2012
Have you seen their new 3D rendering of the stadium for ticket pricing.
While it initially looks pretty cool, it is nearly impossible to tell what sections are what.
jpeters407 - January 15, 2012
Click on the 3D image.
That brings up a larger version.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
I think it is still hard to tell,
of course that could be my 46 YO eyes too.
jpeters407 - January 15, 2012
You could try
My wife says she can see 60 from where we are. I can’t see thing that close any more.
ClarkFan - January 16, 2012
Funny that is from Clark.
My name is Clark, Clark Kent. I actually have bi-focal contacts but sadly I think I need a new prescription.
jpeters407 - January 16, 2012
Clark Kent?!
How have you adapted to the changing telecom landscape, what with cell phones obscolescing pay phones resulting in a decline of phone booths?
ddoubleheader - January 17, 2012
yeah it looks like the patio area is at about a 45 degree angle, after a few beers people will be toppling onto the field
sanshokubento - January 16, 2012
Great writeup Al
When will the Cubs grant you full press credentials (or does it not work that way?)
sanshokubento - January 15, 2012
That's a good question.
To which I do not have an answer, at least at the present time.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
When you stop paying for a ticket
And starting eating 10 hot dogs in the press box with Rick Morrissey during a rain delay. That’s when!
RiskyBusiness - January 15, 2012
No need to worry.
I won’t EVER be doing that.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
Well, if it's a really REALLY long rain delay,
like one lasting two days. … Maybe.
ddoubleheader - January 15, 2012
Heh.
Still, no. I’d find some other place to take shelter.
Al Yellon - January 16, 2012
Al, what are you thoughts on...
Will the new video board/party deck height affect the view of the rooftops behind them?
bazfan1234 - January 15, 2012
No.
Because nothing is being raised. The current six rows will become three, and the board replaces some of the bottom rows, some of which had obstructed view seats.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
Oh okay, thanks!
bazfan1234 - January 15, 2012
Video board not in play
The brass at the convention said that the “video” board would not be in play—that the top of the brick wall would continue to be the demarcation between being in play and a home run. I hope the Cubs reconsider this. It would be interesting, in the least, if the height of the right field wall was increased ten feet with the video board.
FrostyMalt - January 15, 2012
if the height of the wall was increased, it would hurt Rizzo... our potential star for the next 10 years.
SackMan - January 15, 2012
The rendering
Still shows the basket.
So I would assume a ball wouldn’t have to clear the new seats to be a HR.
fsuapollo - January 15, 2012 via mobile
I was thinkin the basket woud be the home run line.
I don’t think Theo would approve raising the line, when he just traded for Rizzo! Hehe.
SackMan - January 15, 2012
thats my take
anything above the wall as it is now is still a HR
Cubbie-Tim - January 15, 2012
Not to mention the other LH hitters acquired or in the minors
DeJesus, Stewart, Jackson, Vogelbach. As someone said on another thread, looks like the team is actually getting more left-handed.
ClarkFan - January 16, 2012
That makes sense.
They’ll have to make a clear yellow line below the board, so that umpires can see where a home run is.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
Looks like they're keeping the basket... which would be the boundary.
SackMan - January 15, 2012
Got it.
Thanks.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
What's the over/under
On the number of games before some fan falls down 10 feet into the basket to get a HR ball?
RiskyBusiness - January 15, 2012
Odd that they would keep the basket
when there won’t be seats there anymore.
tomas21 - January 15, 2012
As old as the basket is
It makes for a great home run marker. The basket and wall make the ball take a bounce that cannot be confused with a ball in play. Much better than the yellow line in other ballparks.
RiskyBusiness - January 15, 2012
And in the drawing there's someone fishing a ball out of the basket on the far left.
shoemile - January 15, 2012
Not so.
Look again. The basket is BELOW the LED board.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
What?
shoemile - January 15, 2012
Like I said.
Look at the rendering again. The basket is BELOW the board.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
I'm confused.
When did I say anything about where the basket was? I just said someone was fishing a ball out of it.
shoemile - January 15, 2012
Are you on shrooms?
Craig in South Bend - January 15, 2012
I must be.
shoemile - January 15, 2012
What else do you see in that picture?
Craig in South Bend - January 15, 2012
Besides a guy with a fishing pole actually fishing a ball out of the basket?
A bunch of faceless people.
shoemile - January 15, 2012
You're right.
I missed the fishing pole.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
....
cooliogirl47 - January 15, 2012
One pill makes you larger, and one pill makes you small.....
ClarkFan - January 16, 2012
and the one that mother gives you
doesn’t do anything at all…….
jpeters407 - January 16, 2012
And there's one kind of drug that
seemingly helped that pitcher pitch a no-hitter. Heh, he thought the home plate umpire was Richard Nixon.
ddoubleheader - January 17, 2012
I don't understand
the new pricing system for bleachers. So the prices will start around season ticket prices and just keep going up? What happens when the team is 20 games under in August and bleacher prices are still 25 dollars over the original price?
Maybe I am misunderstanding.
tomas21 - January 15, 2012
No, you have it right.
If the team is doing poorly in August, the tickets won’t sell at the higher price, they’ll simply stay at the original price. They’ll float in one direction only — up.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
and that's not dynamic - that's scalping.
ballhawk - January 15, 2012
This made me laugh cause it's true.
shoemile - January 15, 2012
The Cubs would NEVER do such a thing.
Doggie Stalker - January 15, 2012
What do you mean
by them staying at the “original” price? Say the season ticket price is $50, and prices start there. If prices had drifted up to, say $70, but then the team falls out of contention, will the tickets have to stay at that higher price all season? Or can they drop it back down to $50, just not below that?
If they can only go up, and can’t come back down, they are shooting themselves in the foot, especially in a year where they aren’t likely to stay competitive all year.
If they just have a floor, which is the season ticket price, but the prices can go up and down, that makes more sense. I still think the season ticket price is going to be more than people will be willing to pay in september, but at least it’s a sort of dynamic model.
tomas21 - January 15, 2012
Right, floor = season season ticket price
RiskyBusiness - January 15, 2012
Exactly.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
Glad Kasper's going to continue the spring training broadcasts
Emelie - January 15, 2012
Awesome idea!!!!
Only question… where is the homerun line?
SackMan - January 15, 2012
Man... kudos to Ricketts! A necessary remodel and a ticket sales booster.
I’d have to think people want to visit the park just to see how it looks.
SackMan - January 15, 2012
Good day
It was a very interesting day of sessions.
First one I went to was the Theo Epstein forum. He basically reitterated everything he has said before. He also clarified who does what when someone asked him about ballpark related things that that was Kenney’s department. Said that the long term would always overrule short term. Made comment about looking at having a player under control for just one year over adding players under control for longer term (specifically talked about Sean Marshall even said they could get him back if it worked if he reached free agency). Very engaging straightforward shoot from the hip personality.
Pretty much AL did a great job summarizing the Meet Cubs Business Management session which I also attended. I was impressed with the plans they laid out and talk of plans to celebrate the 100th birthday in 2 years. Crane Kenney does not have devil horns or he hides them very well.
The other sessions I did were more fun than really informational. Went to the field to booth session because I adore Sutcliffe and he was as funny as always.
I completely agree with Al about another venue. I love the Hilton but it’s time has come and gone.
And I finally met Al in person so my life is complete.
puckishcubsfan - January 15, 2012
Starting to look a little like Camden Yards...
Maybe it’s time to let Boog Powell set up a BBQ station on Sheffield.
ernaga - January 15, 2012
They realized they overpriced the bleachers AGAIN
and now come up with dynamic pricing? I believe single game sales will be a disaster on March 9th and will be so far below 2007/2008/2009 levels……wouldn’t be shocked if they put out more deals come mid march when they see how poorly they are doing on ticket sales.
MikeJW - January 15, 2012
How much a disaster?
Like this?
ddoubleheader - January 15, 2012
too soon
RiskyBusiness - January 15, 2012
it’s never too soon
sanshokubento - January 16, 2012
It's soon enough.
The captain is a @#$%*&^/! Just proves you can have a state of an art ship, but if it isn’t idiot-proofed, this happens. Here, it sounds like the captain was the first to flee the ship. What a douchebag.
ddoubleheader - January 17, 2012
I like the new video board
I like this idea because it should be good for both the Cubs and fans attending the game. The money from the video board and party deck sponsorship will benefit the Cubs. And the raised seating the benefit the bleacher box seat visitors and at least remove some of their obstructed view. And for other fans in the bowl seating, the additional information from the video board will be a benefit. The information on the ribbon boards is OK, but sometimes it is hard form me to look up and spot board while I watch the game.
RiskyBusiness - January 15, 2012
I wonder if this will be tall enoiugh to obstruct the Miller Lite billboard?
I love that billboard… but this party deck will be sponsored by Budweiser. Hmmmm.
SackMan - January 15, 2012
No.
As noted, they are not raising the level of the current structure.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
Wrigley Field - brought to you by BEER....
ClarkFan - January 16, 2012
Bet that's either already a t-shirt or will be soon
BeerCub - January 16, 2012
Ok kind of a weird idea here but...
Except for one video running near registration I didn’t see much from MLB Network…
I think it would be cool to have Intentional Talk and soon at the Convention and events like this would give MLB Network more offseason content?
Good Idea? Bad Idea?
Endrick - January 15, 2012
Actually, that's a really good idea.
Or, see if MLBN would cover some of the events live.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
video of parts of theo's Q&A session
http://www.csnchicago.com/pages/v11_videodetail?PID=6cLLTB-tr4VHIurkpKg7JA__4Zv_qq2h9gIXbHW
note the guy with the hoff jersey in front at :05
jesus christos - January 15, 2012
Thanks for posting that.
katie casey - January 15, 2012
I loved the idea the fan suggested about a live viewing party of the Santo HOF ceremony at Wrigley. I will be in Cooperstown but would definitely consider going if they held this.
puckishcubsfan - January 15, 2012
Just wondering
I didn’t go to the convention. Read that Soriano was there, otherwise wouldn’t have realized that he was there. Just wondering, was Sandberg in attendance?
AboutTheCubs - January 15, 2012
Nope.
Nor would I have expected him to be.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
Goofy question...is that patio going to be on a slant like that?
It looks like your food and drinks would be sliding down the tables.
katie casey - January 15, 2012
Looks like it was designed by MC Escher.
D98 - January 15, 2012
Needs more stairs
That top deck does look slanted though.
ddoubleheader - January 15, 2012
Spilled drinks = more purchased drinks!
Get with the program! ;)
RiskyBusiness - January 15, 2012
if enough are spilled, does that turn the patio into a huge slip n slide?
Cubbie-Tim - January 15, 2012
Usually you pay double for that kind of action, Cotton.
RiskyBusiness - January 15, 2012
Like the HR slide in Milwaukee?
ClarkFan - January 16, 2012
Actually, I think the “Every player will run hard to 1B” part was more of a knock on the previous regime. And hopefully yet another wakeup call to the players that things are going to be a little different next year.
ballhawk - January 15, 2012
Totally agree and rec'd.
deadcatbounce - January 15, 2012
Telephone call for Alphonso Soriano!
You future on another team on line 1!
ClarkFan - January 16, 2012
Saturday night ballroom party
Somebody had mentioned that the Saturday evening party in the ballroom had been revamped, but I haven’t seen anything about it here. I was curious if anyone went.
To me, that was the biggest disappointment of last year’s Convention – The musical group was OK (just OK), but the event reminded me of something between a horrible wedding reception and a junior high school dance – lots of people sitting at tables, staring at each other. It was too loud for conversation. All the Cubs folks were jammed in an area behind the velvet ropes, guaranteeing that there would be no mingling with the unwashed masses.
On the bright side, it drove me to go to the bar sooner than I might have, where I got to meet some cool people.
Ross - January 15, 2012
Pitch Count
Does the pitch count in the artist’s rendition actually show 3656? Did Dusty come back to manage?
toppsmike - January 15, 2012
36 strikes 55 total pitches
jesus christos - January 15, 2012
basically they are putting a rooftop inside Wrigley
meh….if it brings a WS championship, they can punch babies in the face before each game for all I care.
VegasCubFan - January 15, 2012
Gosh, you're a violent person
And for the record, I would prefer to lose rather than engage in child abuse.
Josh Timmers - January 15, 2012
Agreed.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
What kind of ritual is that to bring the luck in one's favor to win a WS?
The Yankees won many World Series without having to “punch babies for good luck”.
ddoubleheader - January 15, 2012
Yeah right
How do you think the term Evil Empire was coined?
ferris2001 - January 15, 2012
Because of the sinister power of money
They may not be able to buy the World Series trophy, but they come damn close to buying most of the way there.
ddoubleheader - January 17, 2012
ouch
daily2b - January 15, 2012
wow...
i thought the sarcasm was pretty heavy in my post. Yeesh!
revision:
“meh…if it brings a WS championship, they can gently show a photo of puppies to all entrants to the park taking care to avoid paper cuts and those who dislike puppies while joyfully describing the puppy to those with sight impairment before each game for all i care”
VegasCubFan - January 15, 2012
You need this for sarcasm.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
Or, you should just know that someone wouldn't ever actually think that its okay to punch
a baby as long as they win a WS.
South Side Expat - January 15, 2012
I took more issue with referencing a lame Dane Cook bit
Craig in South Bend - January 15, 2012
how redundant
jesus christos - January 15, 2012
Dane Cook! 20 minutes! Pay Per View! Let's Go!
shoemile - January 15, 2012
Dane COok is one of the few people that annoy me more than Jim Belushi,
puckishcubsfan - January 15, 2012
i've laughed at one dane cook joke
and i have a pretty low standard for humor
jesus christos - January 15, 2012
Louis CK is where its ast
Hammer - January 15, 2012
indubitably
jesus christos - January 15, 2012
Patton Oswalt is good stuff too
VegasCubFan - January 15, 2012
Really??
Ill have to check it out. I thought he sucked on King of Queens. But that was just a weird show altogether
Hammer - January 15, 2012
VCF's right.
Patton’s stand up is really good.
shoemile - January 15, 2012
pick up his latest CD
Finest Hour
VegasCubFan - January 15, 2012
Yeah I listened to that one.
I think I liked his last one better, but it was enjoyable.
shoemile - January 15, 2012
I love Louis CK
Anyone else notice he looks like Dempster?
puckishcubsfan - January 15, 2012
yeah he def does
Hammer - January 15, 2012
i have a teacher who looks like a skinny version of him
jesus christos - January 15, 2012
Who asked you?
I’d like people to be respectful here. That means not posting stuff like that, even in jest.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
First- no one asked me.
Second- instead of saying “hey, please don’t post stuff like that, even in jest” you end up saying to VCF that he needs to use your little sarcasm thing. Which would imply that it’s okay to post that stuff as long as you make sure to note that it’s sarcasm. So which is it?
South Side Expat - January 15, 2012
does anybody really think I condone punching babies in the face?
I think we have other issues to worry about than that. the interwebz are out of control.
VegasCubFan - January 15, 2012
I've assumed you felt that way for quite some time.
shoemile - January 15, 2012
I would like to punch overly sensitive blog readers in the face
oops, my bad
VegasCubFan - January 15, 2012
How many punches?
ClarkFan - January 16, 2012
paper cuts sting
daily2b - January 15, 2012
I know, hence my warning that every attempt to avoid them is made
VegasCubFan - January 15, 2012
I feel that way too as long as it’s not criminal anything that would bring a world series title is fine to me. They could decide to wear pink frilly unis next year if they win I’m up for it.
puckishcubsfan - January 15, 2012
That could set up some serious jersey sales. No to mention future "throwback" days.....
ClarkFan - January 16, 2012
If it hasn't yet been christened the Jury Box,
I’ll take a moment to do that with this post. Now we can join the ballpark sampling movement and return the honors given to Wrigley Field at some of the modern clones. In this case, the Cubs happened to pick an obscure antecedent: the right field bleachers at Braves Field in Boston.
ernaga - January 15, 2012
Pitch speeds – meh; Pitch counts – ptooey.
If space is made for the counts, let’s hope that area is converted to something more worthwhile as quickly as what happened to Bill Veeck’s Pitchometer (for elapsed time between pitches) on the old Comiskey scoreboard.
ernaga - January 15, 2012
And please, please, please,
Let’s not have “Clap! Clap! Clap!” ….“It’s Rally Time”, “Do The Wave”, etc, etc, on the video board.
Bump Bailey - January 15, 2012
I'm pretty sure they won't do this.
Al Yellon - January 15, 2012
If they do I'm changing my vote to "hate it!"
katie casey - January 15, 2012
One more thing
Ricketts, Epstein, Hoyer all all seemed to be straightforward honest people. Engaging personalities with senses of humor. I don’t think this necessarily has an impact on the field but it couldn’t hurt.
ANd Epstein looks a bit like Rahm Emmanuel. I never realized it before but someone pointed it out and I noticed it now.
puckishcubsfan - January 15, 2012
Huh
Theo is a midget too?
ferris2001 - January 15, 2012
Don't say that
Cubs ownership and management can never be trusted. That’s alternate universe kind of stuff. Like evil BCB.
RiskyBusiness - January 15, 2012
While I'm not certain about
the ability of Ricketts & Epstein to get the Cubs to a World Series and win it, the lack of evil beards or goatees makes me feel they originate from this side of the universe.
ddoubleheader - January 17, 2012
Also
One thing I enjoyed is I only had one short Ronnie Woo Woo sighting. During the Gary Meier seminar on off the field life (It was kind of a revamped Not for Women Only) he did a short WOo Woo.
For longtime WGN radio fans like me it also showed how much the station has changed. I remember the days when Bob Collins then Splke Odell would have almost as many people around them for autographs before and after their sessions as the players.
And did the Giants just get pooped on on that fumble call or what?
puckishcubsfan - January 15, 2012
Yeah, that was some BS.
shoemile - January 15, 2012
amazing, how was that NOT a fumble?
VegasCubFan - January 15, 2012
Ditto on Woo Woo
Glad to see him back off a little. He was at the Jed/Sveum/Bush session on Saturday and asked a question regarding the possibility of mandating all players to “ride the bus”. Jed/Sveum appeared to have no idea what he was asking and Bush politely provided a brief comment and moved along.
dmacst - January 15, 2012
That question was completely incomprehensible.
Which is why I didn’t mention it in this post.
Al Yellon - January 16, 2012
We weren't so lucky
We saw him there, but we were also @ Kitty’s around supper time Saturday night and he came in. The fact that there are people who actually want their picture taken with him I find seriously troubling.
Madison Cub Fan - January 15, 2012
Agreed.
Say, MCF, sorry I didn’t have a chance to meet you — heard from Shanghai Badger that you were around. See you in Mesa.
Al Yellon - January 16, 2012
That's ok
We planned it at the last minute
Madison Cub Fan - January 16, 2012
In Mesa....
….. however he gets down there nowadays, he rarely buys a meal. Although last year I am glad to say I didn’t see him.
BeerCub - January 16, 2012
He wasn't there last year.
Maybe people are getting smart and not giving the freeloading liar free airfare any more.
Al Yellon - January 16, 2012
I noticed they're upgrading the WiFi
They post the WEP Key for the media SSID on the desks in their booth and I still have it on my phone from the tour. LOL.
subtle - January 15, 2012
I think it's a great idea
Everyone wins. The authenticity at Wrigley survives but the future of video screens endures. I think it’s the best way of updating Wrigley. No scoreboard changes or bizarre screens on a rooftop.
Chanman25 - January 15, 2012
I love the idea.
Plus, it looks like the new party deck will be elevated so it will eliminate the obstructed view fans got if they sat in the bleacher box seats between aisle’s 316 and 317. I never sat in that section, but it looks like you wouldn’t be able to see any of the action in the outfield unless if the ball was hit along the right field line. Anything else, and you’re watching the action on the television set that’s mounted against the facade of aisle 315, which sounds like a rip off for a paid ticket holder.
In the end, I think the party deck is a fantastic way to “upgrade” the park without “downgrading” on Wrigley Field’s nostalgic charm.
#1 iowan cubs fan - January 15, 2012
Yes, that's correct.
There were quite a few obstructed view seats in 316 and 317. Those will be eliminated; the video board will be above them.
Al Yellon - January 16, 2012
Better a party deck
than a poop deck.
ddoubleheader - January 15, 2012
My life's motto
alkappy - January 16, 2012
So, with this addition... and the recent renovations
of the bleachers and the playing surface… I’d have to think that any major renovation/rebuild of the entire ballpark would just be to the grandstands at this point, otherwise… why make these short term investments?
SackMan - January 15, 2012
I think that's been the plan
The previously publicized renovation plans have shown work on the grandstands, concourse, and clubhouses along with the triangle building work. The bleachers are fine.
RiskyBusiness - January 15, 2012
WHY?!?!?
Why do people keep calling it a video board if it doesn’t actually show videos? At least they’ve moved into the 1980’s. I figure go big or go home. Get a screen that shows actual video. Perhaps even this newfangled HD video stuff.
ferris2001 - January 15, 2012
The Cubs are calling it a "LED board".
It’s probably a similar board to what they have under the main scoreboard in CF or on the upper deck facade. Those boards CAN show moving video, although they’re pretty small.
We have discussed here the issues with getting an actual video board in or around Wrigley. There just isn’t room.
Al Yellon - January 16, 2012
They could make room ...
… by placing an HD video board in left center field just behind the bleacher seats there, and move the Toyota logo to the left to accommodate it. After all, we don’t need a view of the building with the Horseshoe Casino ad on the roof, do we?
chasfh - January 16, 2012
Does the basket obstruct the view of the board?
I would think that if the basket remains right under the video board and goes up on an angle like the basket does then some seats will not be able to see through the basket. For example, the cubs dugout directly across from the board and the section of seats above the dugout. Maybe the basket will only cover up the first couple feet of the board because it it ten feet high, but I think the worst view of the board will be from the cubs dugout. Maybe the cubs will find this board useful to them as well or maybe I’m totally wrong and they won’t use it at all. But when you sit in the dugout your eye level is almost ground level with the field and I think the basket is going to be in the way for them.
dcox38 - January 16, 2012
I think the angle of the basket
… and the height of the board, will make it visible from most parts of the park.
Obviously, the RF bleachers won’t be able to see it, nor will some seats down the RF line at an oblique angle to it.
Al Yellon - January 16, 2012
The fishing pole
And I find it very funny that the cubs very own rendering includes a fan trying to retrieve a ball in the basket ten feet below. I highly doubt the cubs will let anyone into the park with a fishing pole or any sort of apparatus to try and retrieve baseballs in the basket there.
dcox38 - January 16, 2012
Not to mention that the home run was apparently given up by Dempster on a 95 mph fastball...
They must be trying to subliminally let us down early this year.
bdlugz - January 16, 2012
Yeah, that's just silly
We all know that you’ll need to bring a telescopic golf ball retriever.
RiskyBusiness - January 16, 2012
I think its very cool! And I'm sort of a Wrigley Field traditionalist.
it’s almost like an early version of one of the rooftops. I’d love to watch the game from there sometime. If I win the lotto, I’ll rent the whole thing out for a BCB party! Awesome!
cooliogirl47 - January 16, 2012
It Is Very Telling That The Artist's Rendition ...
… of the board says “Budweiser” on it. Yes, I know it’s the Budweiser deck, or whatever the exact name is. But I will bet you a dollar to a dime that the board will be used primarily for advertising rather than information — e.g., during plate appearances we’ll see ads rotating on the board rather than batter or pitcher stats. Just a hunch based on my 14 years holding season tickets.
chasfh - January 16, 2012
That is a bet that I would not be willing to take.
But I hope you are wrong, additional stats, batter v pitcher, advanced metrics would all be good. As would a consistent pith count.
jpeters407 - January 16, 2012
Maybe the Budweiser Clydesdales will run when the Cubs hit a home run
RiskyBusiness - January 16, 2012
If they have to advertise beer,
I wish they’d at least advertise a good one.
katie casey - January 16, 2012
cue eths in drei... zwei... eins...
ballhawk - January 16, 2012
Hate it
if they are going to destroy Wrigley, they might as well raze it and build a new place from the ground up. If they didn’t over pay Soriano until death or pay Zambrano to pitch in Miami maybe we wouldn’t need to squeeze advertising money out of what once was the most beautiful baseball stadium. I can think of many improvements that would make Wrigley a better place. This is not one of them.
TBru - January 16, 2012
what?
jesus christos - January 16, 2012
They're going to squeeze advertising money out of Wrigley no matter what.
shoemile - January 16, 2012
This is dumb.
Dcr18 - January 16, 2012
I'm assuming by the picture
that it’s just in right field, correct?
I agree that it will add some new tech to an older, more traditional ballpark. Give some of the non-baseball fans a pointer into the actual game.
propheteer - January 16, 2012
Why is there a basket in front of the video board?
Mapmaker - January 18, 2012
Because a basket is there now and they don't want to take it down.
Al Yellon - January 19, 2012
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